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palomar for me with fluro - can't remember ever having a failure
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Loads of vids on YouTube. The Yanks take this very seriously. From what I remember, the.palomar comes out best.
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In reply to Post #15
12lb Kontour is a really good line, doesn?t surprise me it performed well in your tests.
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In reply to Post #7
I done a bit of testing with some never used 12lb Kontour I have on a spool.
Seems your ahead of AI on this one as I pretty much concluded the same as you.
First I tied just over a metre to two swivels, one Palomar, one half\blood knot (six, seven turns), pulled with both arms. Palomar won most times.
Then I tied 7-8 metres to two swivels, partner one end, me the other. Both walked backwards - Half Blood didn't break out of the three times we tried.
Probably not super accurate test.
I was extra careful with the knots, saliva and bedding down correctly.
I wetted the knots on the pull also.
Also, was surprised the amount of force required to break 0.33 (0.31 TackleBox) Flouro .
I guess I'm simulating a 'flat rod' situation, I don't know if the physics of Rod coming into play changes things.   .
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In reply to Post #1
Def blood knot - the thicker the dia the less turns. . . .remember TH schooling me on this at a show years back with thick amnesia - 2 turn untucked blood - done!
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In reply to Post #12
Yup, been using the ftx line all of last year and this year.
I started with a grinner and then because I find it easier to tie, a blood knot, and I don't find any difference at all. Not once had the line go.
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In reply to Post #9
A blood is still strongest with this grey TA stuff anyway mate. But the difference is minimal. With a 100% pure fluoro that difference is far larger in my experience.
All pure fluoro's tend to have 100% Fluorocarbon written on the spool. This stuff does not. I would very much doubt that this stuff is actually pure fluoro, might be wrong. Does not stop it being a great line. But it does make a difference when comparing knot strengths.
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In reply to Post #9
From TA page for this line you speak of.
"It is extremely easy to knot too -- for optimum knot strength we recommend either a five-turn Grinner, a two-turn Tucked Blood, or Figure-of-Eight Loop knots (for loop-to-loop leader connections). All of these achieve consistently strong and ultra reliable knots"
Lewis always recommended that you use a blood knot when he was at Gardner with their pure fluoro. I found that information out for myself from many years of using first X-Line, then Mirage. All pure fluoro. The fact this TA stuff is not clear and has tint added to it, and the fact he is recommending different knots as well as a blood knot, would lead me to believe this is not a 100% pure fluorocarbon.
Many companies sell 'modified' fluoro lines these days which likely suit different knots to pure fluoro. X-Line, Tiger-Line, Mirage & the like are all pure fluoro. With these a grinner is weaker than a blood knot.
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I'm going to get some FTX in 16lb and do some testing.
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In reply to Post #7
TA will spec a grinner for use with their FTX though mate, been using it a while and seems bombproof
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In reply to Post #7
Thanks, great post. 
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In reply to Post #1
Fluoro is different to every other line. You want a simple blood knot. Ask Lewis, ask any of the knowledgeable people who sell the stuff and they will all tell you the same thing.
Although a blood knot is the worst knot to use on braid or mono... It's the very strongest with fluoro. Not a tucked blood knot either, a very simple five turn half blood Danny.
As you tighten down, do it slowly, tighten the tag end, bit more bedding down, tighten the tag end again to avoid stress. Once fully bedded down with no stress above the knot, it's the strongest knot to use by far with fluoro.
Part of the reason the TB line tests provide bad/skewed results with fluoro is because A) they use a short length the same as the tests on mono/braid. And B) because they use a palomar knot to keep the tests constant with how they tested braid & mono before it. But it's the wrong knot to use with fluoro, as is a grinner. And fluoro suffers very badly with stress over a short length. Tie some fluoro to a thin peg in the ground with a ring swivel attached. Tie some 20lb X-Line to the swivel with a half blood knot and walk out 10 yards. Then test the strength. You will not be able to snap it. It will break at 20lb or over when it does.
Do the same test with a short length (two foot) and a palomar or grinner like the TB test... It will break at very low breaking strains. Wrong knot, plus stress over a two foot length leads to a completely skewed end result.
One of the biggest misnomers I see online is that fluoro is weak for it's breaking strain. This all stems from those tests. But the test for fluoro is extremely skewed. Nothing could be further from the truth though. It's far stronger than mono. Far tougher. Just not over very short lengths. For use as hook lengths/booms, that's why you really need 50lb+. It will break far, far lower than that on a boom. Test the same over 10 yards. You would never be able to snap it.
Blood knot. They really should put this info on the spools IMO.
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In reply to Post #2
I did raise my eyebrows.
Cheers mate, I did try Palomar as I use it for everything else, but had a job bedding it down - will persevere.
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In reply to Post #2
Plenty of spit and tug gently
Incoming 
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