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In reply to Post #14
Quote... I seem to recollect those selling both saying shelf was more expensive due to increases in price of stabiliser, would seem odd for them to include it in freezer if that is the case.
Some stabiliser is more expensive than the electricity running costs of the freezers needed to store tonnes & tonnes of bait? Not a cats chance in hell. Not even close in any realm of reality. Add on to that shipments to shops arriving late due to delivery companies, thus shed loads of fresh bait going off in transit during the Summer. All needing to be replaced.
Making freezer bait 'ready made', storing it in containers in the sun & freezing it just prior to shipping is VASTLY cheaper than storing tonnes of it in freezers. It's no comparison whatsoever. Not 'moral' in any way shape or form when the public 'think' that they are buying fresh bait. But FAR cheaper for a business storing tonnes of bait. Take the electricity costs of the storage freezers out of the equation, bar freezing it just before shipping. Then take spoilage in transit out of the equation when something goes wrong.
'Stabiliser' costs absolutely F all. Nothing in comparison to the ingredients it is replacing in the bait. The things listed above are massive costs. Monsteros.
You all know exactly who was doing this. The frozen (apparently fresh) bait never went off. Leave it in sealed bags in the sun for weeks... It never goes off.
Funny how I would receive so much stick from 'bait gurus' & failed bait company bosses via this forum for providing anglers with products that literally change their fishing overnight.... Yet things like all this are completely okay apparently? Nothing ever gets said. Excuses get made. The practices above were going on for at least the last fifteen years to this very day, along with much worse. It's so morally wrong that it defies belief. You should all be asking yourself what people doing this sort of thing, actually think of you, the paying punter.
Sorry to jump in, just posting some real life facts.
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In reply to Post #18
Trust me they had a massive walk in freezer that must have cost a fortune to buy and run. Not everything from the bait factory is listed in the auction, I assume a lot of it must have been sold off beforehand.
I didn't see any of the drying equipment listed either and yet every freezer bait was dried for 24 hours and the selfies for 48 hours.
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Unless they sold fresh to tackle shop freezers, there didnβt seem to be much freezer equipment for sale in that recent bait factory sell off
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In reply to Post #13
Nash 100% were doing some form of that.
I had some of the monster squid in France and was all frozen bait. brought a 5kg bag home in my bag and forgot about it, 6 weeks later was still exactly the same and actually caught fish on it.
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In reply to Post #13
Pretty sure this is the case with Live System; the freezer bait does not turn. I opened a 5kg freezer bag of live system at the start of October and it did nothing, no white spots, sweating or owt. That was until about 2 weeks ago when it just went green mouldy all of a sudden.
Ive actually filled my freezer up with Essential baits GS10 and SB5, took about half a kilo out as back up for my session 2 weeks ago and these baits turned within 3 days of being out the freezer. After years of flitting about with baits I can see me sticking with the Essential.
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In reply to Post #14
Probably offset by avoiding the logistical headache of having a double inventory...
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In reply to Post #13
I seem to recollect those selling both saying shelf was more expensive due to increases in price of stabiliser, would seem odd for them to include it in freezer if that is the case.
Shelf v freezer been discussed on here quite a bit, consensus seemed to be modern shelf are every bit as good as freezer, however some reported their shelf life being dry & hard. I guess you need to buy from a high turnover company to ensure your shelf is as 'fresh' as it gets.
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In reply to Post #12
It has been suggested that some companies are only producing one bait (stabilised) and selling the same thing as freezer and shelf life.
No idea who was being referred to....
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In reply to Post #1
I waa 100 % freezer bait for 30 years .
Would never dream of using a shelfie ..
But the last 5 years its all I use . Not noticed any difference in results ..
Gone are the days of the rock hard marble like shelfies ..
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In reply to Post #10
In the past I've done it with neat hydros that were thin enough to hopefully soak in. But to be honest this wasn't all that successful for what you might consider " instant " attraction. I mentioned in another thread that this could possibly be over doing the attraction or the actual bitterness of certain hydros. Others may well disagree. I suppose it depends on the type of water and stock levels etc. If you listen to Marcus Watts on his podcast, he recommends diluting down hydros by up to 90 %..I am now actually back to using homemade freezer baits with no MPG or preservatives except for a little citric acid which is mainly included as an attractor / digestive aid. This season , I will definitely be giving the watered down hydros a go on my freezer bait. So , if you going to be using stabilised baits which you deem to be somewhat dry or hard, give it a go. Obviously there are loads of liquids to experiment with but maybe there's truth in the old cliche of " less is more ". Happy tinkering, it's what keeps it interesting π.
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In reply to Post #9
What would be you advice on how to soak them?
I've been thinking of trying shelfs to free up freezer space, but I don't like the thought of dried out preservative stuffed boilies left sitting on the bottom of the lake
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In reply to Post #1
See if your bait supplier is happy to disclose exactly what preservatives are in the bait. In the past, preservatives such as potassium sorbate were used, which do inhibit spoilage but if used excessively can inhibit breakdown within the carp's gut, and also uneaten bait on the lake bed. Nowadays. mono propylene glycol is used as a partial water replacer. Baits still need to be further dried before storage but they no longer contain the anti microbial preservatives. Just rehydrate with a hot soak, and maybe a dash of hydro and you're good π
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For probably 15-20 years I used frozen baits as at the time shelf life was clearly inferior with talk of poorer ingredients and differences in taste due to the preservatives used. But things have moved on significantly in the last few years with many companies improving the quality of their shelf life's. I have used Sticky krill and krill active for many years and for the last two I have switched over to shelf life. My results have been just as good if not better and I cannot see me going back to frozen baits again. I particularly like the soft nature of the baits which I think helps flavours and enhancers seep out of the baits far easier than hard frozen boilies. And the other big advantage is I don't need a massive freezer and what I don't use comes back with me ready for next time.
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In reply to Post #1
I fished Nashbaits stabilised Scopex Squid 4g alongside their frozen version and honestly couldn't tell any difference in results, so dropped freezer baits altogether, until I started rolling my own again.
Jason's Abait is only available in shelf life and catches plenty as do offerings from DNA and Sticky. I'd have no qualms using shelfies again.
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I'm no expert at all but have used freezer and shelfs. Specifically Trent baits shelfs due to not having any freezer space. A couple of better anglers than myself on my lake have used both the freezer and Trent shelfs and actually think the shelfs have produced more bites for them.
They catch me fish so why change.
They do tend to go a bit hard after being opened for awhile but to be expected
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