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immediate drop-offs / stopping runs
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Dark_Wraysbury8

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#4 12 Sept 2025 at 6.47pm

Hi lads,

thank you for your answers.

Aye, there are plenty of really big pike in there.

And I thought of fish trailing rigs, too.

But I always back-leaded the line to the bottom with captive back leads.

The two lost fish were exactly in the normal feeding spell. That made me wondering.

I thought about it the last few days and have an assumption what might had happened.

The rig I was using was the best rig in over 35 years now and I never banked so many fish in a row. And from one moment to the next I lost three fish one after the other.

The only difference was the hooklink material. Initially I was using Korda N-Trap soft in conjunction with heavy boilies, sometimes with putty on the hooklength. So the the bait landed next to or near the lead every time. I never lost a carp. I always fished a long hair and a relatively short hooklink. It worked pretty well for me.

But then I changed to N-Trap semi-stiff and balanced baits, meaning the bait was always pushed the furthest away from the lead. And now a huge problem occurs, I don't know if you ever noticed that. When a carp approaches the bait from the very end of the bait with a fully stretched hooklink, it isn't able to suck the whole thing in deep enough. A short hooklink and a long hair worsens the situation even more. The same thing happening if the fish comes from an angle from the front. The bait can only be sucked in deep when the fish comes from the direction of the lead, straight or in an angle - won't matter.

Pushed away hookbaits are considered a good thing hence the use of stiff links, but in reality it ruins your chances.

I think the three lost fish came from the bait end and the hook just entered the very edge of the lip and dropped off as soon the line got enough tension either due to a tight clutch or in the beginning of a battle.

Now I have the idea of trying a longer hooklink of for instance 30 cm with five cm turned / folded back and fixed with pva string. As soon as the string dissolves you got some spare hooklink lying on the bottom. Now, even when the fish comes from the riskiest direction / part, it will have ten (double of the folded 5) cm of slack to take the bait in correctly for the hook to grab hold deep enough.

What are your thoughts, have you ever had similar experiences?

Could it work?

vossy1

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#3 12 Sept 2025 at 9.35am

Any Pike in there? I've had my pod pulled over with striking/line spooked Pike at a water I fished. Other times absolute screamers, and I mean screamers.

mrgriff

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#2 11 Sept 2025 at 10.56pm

In reply to Post #1
A fish trailing a rig maybe?

Dark_Wraysbury8

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#1 8 Sept 2025 at 5.53pm

Hello lads,

this morning I had three takes on a very difficult water.

One was a full screamer stopping just before I was able to grab the rod. Another one was a fast run as well with the fish dropping off after only a few seconds.

I've been using the very same rig over a year now and never had any problems.

I was fishing heavy leads of 6 oz this time and a hooklink of around 16 cm. Normally I was using 5 ounces. The hook was a size 4.

I am now wondering if the short hooklink was responsible.

Has anyone else experienced something like that before and has some advice?


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