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In reply to Post #77
If you're removing eggs from your liquid mix just add around 10g of whole egg powder ( or a little less of egg white powder ) for each egg removed. This will compensate for any reduction in binding / gelling. I now actually only use powdered egg now as it enables me to incorporate various wet foods into my mix. Mussels, prawns, fish, liver etc. The world's your oyster ( they might be a bit pricey though ! )
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In reply to Post #77
Quite old school and many say it works well doing this. Never tried it myself but give it a go. I think the trop will bind/roll/boil OK with around 100ml of that in it.
One thing to consider is they will go off quite quickly with real squid liquid in them. Nothing a freezer can't fix but don't expect them to last much more than a couple of days out the freezer based on what other have said before.
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In reply to Post #76
Thinking about adding some liquidised squid into my mix and dropping all the other liquids apart from salmon oil and a very low level flavour.
I was planning to wizz a couple of squid up and subtract the same amount from my egg? Does this sound ok? Probably 100mls which should still give me 6 eggs in the mix, will that be enough to bind it?
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In reply to Post #73
brand new bottle going straight in bin
Don't do that, sell it - and put the money towards your next Trop base mix order.
JB'S ALA SALAR is TOOO Good to bin  for those of us that like to roll it
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In reply to Post #74
Best flavour combo I’ve ever used bar none
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In reply to Post #73
I had amazing success on the trop with ala salar and plum from JB. Still the flavour combo I go back to. I wouldn't chuck it. Just mix it outside 
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Yeah mate i rooled the trop base mix few weeks back with john bakers plum and ala solar and opti baits blackcurent , came out nice redish and in chest freezer now ,
Still got a few kg base left will make some more in few weeks with out bakers ala solar tho as that stinks so so so bad , brand new bottle going straight in bin ,
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In reply to Post #57
Have you rolled it yet?
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In reply to Post #69
You can also list anything below 2% as a processing aid. Regardless of if it is or not from memory.
Labelling regulations is a minefield and something which most of the larger companies in world which it affect will have dedicated teams/ people working on.
As per AA baits - I believe that its the same base mix as BAF did for trop - they took on the reigns for it once BAF went wholesale at the request of some customers who still wanted to buy the mix. I have not used it for clarity.
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In reply to Post #68
Still doesn't give away the recipe especially with things like 'fish derivatives ' which is deliberately vague.
From what has been said here the AA trop mix is very close to the original but would be good to now what they have added to improve the mix. Doubt it would cost them any sales, in fact it would be great marketing!
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In reply to Post #67
They must label according to inclusion rate…
So it contains more propylene glycol than CSL and yeast…
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In reply to Post #66
A list of ingredients is fine, but the percentage content is the crucial thing.
It's ok to say "liver powder" for example, but is it a pinch, an ounce, a kilo...
Too easy to include all the sexy stuff on yout ingredients list, but be very economical with the amount.
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In reply to Post #65
All bait company need to share the ingredients of there products, regardless of import or local produced baits.
The list of ingredients has to be listed from highest to lowest concentration as well.
For example: ccmoore lists the following ingredients for https://imagefa.st/image/cm5k
So, you need to have some basis to understand what they are doing… but other firms are more open on the label
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In reply to Post #60
Sharing ideas and recipes (like open source software) is what the HMBB group on Facebook did to produce the original recipe. I suspect you are right though that 99% of carp anglers would not share this but the 1% did to start off with. AA baits would join this top 1% if they id likewise and listed the full recipe. I haven't a clue if they are on the HMBB group or not, probably not as they try to keep commercial accounts out.
Most bait or base mixes in the UK do not list the ingredients. They probably should but this is just not policed and trading standards who would do this have other issues to worry about that are much more important than a bit of fishing bait. Other than at import stage is this enforce in the EU?
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In reply to Post #56
Didn't mean to tar you with the same brush Smurf 
I was thinking/meaning the ready blended base mix commercial sellers. If someone is going to the trouble of rolling their own bait they mostly likely lean towards knowing and caring what's in there and are going to that trouble in order to have a better bait at the end of it.
The AA thing - overall they feel like they are well meaning. I would be surprised if there was a sinister motive for not putting the HMBB link on there.... but if advertising a similar base mix on name recognition then an acknowledgement might be fair thing to do.
I was curious around the inclusion levels as there are quite a few extra higher value ingredients different from the original recipe. Calcium caseinate, liver, glm, keramine. Its not a million miles away from something I've been trying this year and significantly cheaper at the larger volumes (inclusion levels dependent)
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