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In reply to Post #55
Its dead mans shoes and there is a waiting list as long as youd care to imagine which tells you all you need to know - most excl syndicates are exactly the same
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In reply to Post #54
That cost comparison is a good point, 20 nights a year isn't loads and I'd agree per night reasonable value for that type of venue. I'd certainly pay it.
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had my ticket for near on 10 years now (Non publicity water) it was circa £400 when I joined now over £1000 but I still think its worth every penny, security in that its fully gated and otter fenced, I can leave my car open or go to shops and nothing gets touched, like minded anglers, not over crowded and I can get a swim at a weekend if theres 7 anglers on its busy, 20 minutes from home, good head of 40s
I doubt I would get any of the boxes ticked that I need for my fishing if I looked elsewhere - I cringe going to day ticket waters nowdays as there always rammed and your on top of each other in the main also if I do 20 nights a year its £50 a session which I think is fair for what I get
Ultimately like anything in life - value is defined as a fair return or equivalent in goods, services, or money for something exchanged - If there wasnt demand syndicates wouldnt sell so its pretty obvious to me why they are so popular esp the good ones
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In reply to Post #49
Didn't it Just... 
I think these Gravel company's had a remit probably as far up as government level to return these great scars on the land back into a usable state. And turning them into fisheries and watersport centres was one of them. As you mentioned these were done not for profit. Probably as a way of encouraging the working masses out of the big smoke into the countryside for a few hours for a bit of fresh air.
This all changed when having an Angling arm in your company. As well as trying to streamline Didn't quite fit in with your green agender you were trying to promote.
Sold on for maximum profit. Which got passed onto the end user us Anglers.
Some would say we had it to good for to long. But what was wrong in that.. 
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In reply to Post #48
I have also always thought the same about this type of ticket back in the day. Most gravel extraction companies usually had to re-constitute the land after extraction had closed and are then responsible for the upkeep. Hence someone thought that creating a fisheries or water sports venues would offset the cost. Once they hit the required amount of year they are required to do the up keep, it becomes a asset with not much value in comparison to the core business so they just sell up
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In reply to Post #48
Amey Roadstone Company had an immense ticket, Great Linford was fantastic, Dorchester lakes etc. That was about £45 when I joined. Glory days indeed.
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In reply to Post #48
The CEMEX Silver ticket which I had for a few seasons had various lakes at Yateley, Wraysbury, Sutton, some in Essex too - all over the place really - that are all sewn up and costing a fortune now.
That ticket cost peanuts, most definitely less than any of the syndicate/club takeovers charge for any individual lake or venue now.
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In reply to Post #47
I think the new stocking policy caused the most uproar to be fair...
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In reply to Post #47
That is actually a very good point.
The existence of RMC and the other gravel company fishing arms effectively depressed the whole "market" with their (it has to be said) incredibly cheap tickets, even for the time.
Same for cheap clubs with "general" waters with a few carp (and crucially only a few carp anglers - not filling all the swims so low-paying pleasure anglers were still happy),
RMC/Boyers etc. were not actually in it for profit as such, as any profit they could have made from the angling branches would have been peanuts compared to their core business. I dare say as long as they more or less broke even their gravel extractor bosses stayed fairly happy.
I'm not sure if this is the case but I dare say their very existence was due to some kind of socio-environmental compensation deal for having extracted the gravel : certain % of usage as nature reserves, fishing and watersports.
Once those deals ran out and/or the companies were bought out by multinationals (legitimately I guess) only interested in the core business, the fishing arms were sold off and the market became competitive, hence the price rises.
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Remember the uproar when Leisure sports sold the Darenth complex in the mid 90s. It went from £90 to £250 a season. 
It was the beginning of the end for that historic complex of lakes. And the beginning of when greed started to creep into carp fishing. Sad really...
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In reply to Post #45
Anyone leasing a water then has to make the same decisions as someone leasing a shop, warehouse, factory unit etc.
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Landowners/farmers putting the lease prices up..who should pay ?
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In reply to Post #38
They’d probably charge more for the “old skool” experience…..
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In reply to Post #42
I can guess where that is. (Redmire Commons?)
Classic case of a long established club losing out when the landowner was approached by someone else offering more $$$. Long term club members got kicked off half way through the spring & left with nowhere to fish. I vowed to never fish one of his waters ever again.
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In reply to Post #41
My £450 "syndicate" in 2024 was a £60 club ticket in 2004, and included three other lakes.
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