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In reply to Post #31
It does kick up well, but mixing it with a bit of crumb can calm it down. Of the two, straight hemp is easier and better. The oil isn’t the be-all and end-all though – I’d say it’s the crunch factor that really matters. I love hemp; it’s the greatest bait going, but it’s a shame it’s got so pricey. Gone are the days of a sack for £7 from Titmuss when it all split perfectly. Straight hemp, garlic hemp – excellent gear. Id think of nothing of a sack on a spot 1m out, now I think twice !!.
Also thinking about it some real good hemp ground should be like a damp sharp sand that will clump into a ball when squashed in ones hand.
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In reply to Post #28
My experience of crushed raw hemp was in groundbaits/method mix and a lot of it floats, which in the groundbait really helped break it down and mix it up on the bottom of the lake.
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Thanks for your input gents. Funny it's exactly the opposite from each other.
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In reply to Post #28
Is your last sentence correct? You talk both times about cooked hemp?
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In reply to Post #27
Watched carp drop down in the edge onto crushed raw hemp and eat the area with gusto, grinding up cooked hemp does not seem to leech of as much oil as crushed hemp does either imho.
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In reply to Post #26
Can't answer that direct but think about it. Hemp becomes more attractive to carp when cooked. So do Tigers, Peanuts etc. To cook some of these particles takes a long soak to soften them then anything up to 30 minute boiling really get the best from them.
Why do so many add ground up uncooked things like this to a bait mix and think it will work just like the prepared particles do?
A 60-90 second dip of the boilie in water to cook it is not the same as the above process by a long shot. Many years ago (15-20 if my memory is correct) I recorded the internal temperature of a boilie (like you do) whilst cooking it for 90 seconds in a rolling boil. It was under 60°C. This surprises a lot of people. But why, if my baits are soft inside then the egg has not been cooked which happens >75°C.
Don't even get me started in steaming....I am NOT buggering up the inside of my bait by boiling which I proved with this test.
Anyway, back to the topic. I have been playing around with a 'nut mix' over the last couple of years for my own interest. I am increasingly becoming convinced that pre-cooking the nuts (not that tiger are nuts) then dehydrating before grinding them up unlocks more attraction. At least that is what my pond fish told me this summer  Now it's turned cold my fish don't tell me a great deal so something I will carry on looking into next spring plus a better way to dry them out in suitable quantities prior to grinding up for making 5-10kg batches of boilies.
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Has anyone found any difference between toasted/roasted, ground hemp vs raw ground hemp in baits? The toasting would make it more easily digestable, but I would also think the toasting can damage some of the attractive elements in the hemp?
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In reply to Post #24
Properly prepared particles are just more palatable. Preparing helps release there attractive properties. You wouldn't eat a raw spud would you..
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In reply to Post #23
you are aware that continental fish farmers feed their carp unprepared maize, wheat & barley through the colder months to keep their metabolism.
I have actually been using maples over the last couple of weeks & found they hardly swell up at all when I was preparing them compared to other particles. Being such a small particle, pass through the fish in minutes. I actually had fish passing whole peas on the mat as they were being unhooked - these weren't massive fish either & all swam off strongly.
I suspect there was something else at play here & nothing to do with them swelling up.
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In reply to Post #22
Well you can call bull##it as much as you like, but I, and others have witnessed it. It wasn't just one fish either.
We quickly sussed who was feeding unprepared maples and put a stop to it. No more dead carp full of maples were ever found again on that water.
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In reply to Post #20
There was a lot of stuff written about nuts having detrimental effects on carp in the 80's that was based on guesswork.
Large amounts were used in lakes - they would all get caught loads & then the bites would stop & the fishing became really hard on the lakes for weeks afterwards.
This scared loads of fishery owners & there were lots of bans & pseudo rubbish written about afloxins, swelling up inside fish & vitamin d deficiencies all of which were based on assumptions & not science.
From what I have read over the last couple of years, I would suggest that it was more likely down to high amounts of sugar making the fish hyperglycemic instead the nuts themselves.
With respect to unprepared particles swelling up in a fish stomach & damaging them - I call bulls1t because -
a) their gut tract is too short & there is no way particles will be inside them long enough for them to swell up
b) They can pass large items through their bodies - I have found all sorts in the bottom of the sack after retaining fish including swan mussel shells.
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In reply to Post #20
Exactly.. a load of pseudo science nonsense. By as you say people with vested interests.
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Is this not the same as
"carp get so addicted to peanuts they will never eat another thing ever again untill they shrivel up and die"
It's some made up nonsence that was said in the 80s and seemed to stick for some reason. Possibly perpetuated by people with a vested interest in bait?
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In reply to Post #18
Carp don’t have the same digestive system as us. They have to crush the food item up and then as it travels through the stomach the nutrients are absorbed through the lining. No acids, etc involved. Fairly inefficient but suited to their natural diet.
If you feed carp constantly you can get them to eat so much they just excrete whole pellets. I’ve seen this in a tank situation.
They will eat the particle, not be able to crush it up and it will go through their system. Depending on size of fish it may become stuck as it swells up inside after taking on water. I think it’s pretty rare. Peanuts are soft enough to crush, whichever way you buy them. They aren’t dehydrated completely like particles are for storage.
That’s the premise anyway. But then I can’t imagine a carp would ingest large, hard particle objects they can’t crush up. Bit like when they sift out stones and spit them out. Essentially it would feel the same to them wouldn’t it?
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In reply to Post #17
Very different from nuts but I have witnessed carp killed by maple peas swelling up inside them. I've no idea why they are just passed out quicker than they swell, but they did.
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