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I previously posted that these hooks were not very sharp, but since then I have sussed how to sharpen hooks.
A barbless rule on a new water had me looking at some alternatives and I got a couple of packets of the korda basix hooks. The hook pattern is decent enough and once sharpened they are good enough. Managed a February 40 on one, so happy days.
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Simple answer for me, are they compromising on the hook material and manufacturing processes or the packaging, if it's the latter i agree, former, the difference for the angler is? Their profit margin?
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In reply to Post #22
Early days they had lots of issues with snapping. It seems they learned from it and adjusted the alloy composition. At that point it seems very hard and brittle. Nowadays, it more ductile and issues are solved. Korda produces proper, solid hooks
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In reply to Post #38
I can see them being ok for a beginner, fishing a commercial hole in the ground for smaller carp on a runs water. As you say if I'm fishing for a P.B. on a tricky lake I'd want to be sure my hook was the sharpest and strongest I could buy. I still think we are being ripped off with prices.
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In reply to Post #34
I use the wide gape X for Barbel on the Trent and that really gives them some hammer. I did use normal wide gapes but had one start to open when I landed a fish at Gunthorpe Weir (to be fair to the hook it's brutal on there, tons of water crashing over the weir every second, hard fighting Barbel and you have to keep them out of snags too).
There are has to be a reason why the basix are cheaper, and for me that rules out buying them. It's literally the most important part of your entire setup and there are a hundred places I'd save money first. I often go through 10 hooks in a 24 session on the Trent as well due to the amount of rocks bashing the points up.
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In reply to Post #36
Many hook patterns have made a switch from the original use into Carp fishing.
Look at the various hook patterns used in fly fishing, a fair few have been relegated to our league. B175 is obvious, but a few nymph or shrimp fly patterns as well.
Your point on Teflon coated, hand sharpened is true, some of these patterns even though still being sold in fly fishing say, in normal packing, don't have carp tax.
The carp angler has had his pants pulled down with premium prices for years
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In reply to Post #35
Yep agree. For years people have been chasing the next best thing.
With hooks, as an example you had blunt as hell, chemically sharpened, anti glare, teflon coated, hand sharpened. With each incremental 'progression' came an increase in cost until hooks were nearly £1 a pop.
If people don't want to pay the additional cost at least they have a range that they can go and see in the shops that only stock the bigger brands.
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In reply to Post #1
i think the basix range and the Fox cheaper hook range is something to be applauded
the cost of stuff is getting daft, even some of the cheaper brands are starting to creep up as well (Bank BMG etc)
what used to be a simple sport is some of the time who can chuck the most cash at it :/
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Tbh I'm guilty of actually liking the normal Korda wide gape (not basix version) and the wide gape X hooks aswell, had some huge cats and carp putting up some really hard long battles and never had a problem with them, my favourite hooks are j precision but I do like the Korda wide gapes aswell
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In reply to Post #32
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In reply to Post #31
Affectionately referred to as value engineering in industry
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In reply to Post #17
how do you deliberately create a budget version??
Bulk buying with Lower profit margin, to lure you into the brand.
Different Process/materials than the expensive hooks possibly ?
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In reply to Post #11
Seen a known upper 60lb lost to a snapped Korda long shank a few years ago... snapped on the shank side of bend.
Tbh it was a protracted fight and we actually saw it was hooked bang centre at one point before it went on another run, was caught a couple of weeks later well over 70lb as well.
Steered clean of korda hooks after that and it wasn't even me who lost it.
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In reply to Post #26
Loved star points and star point continentals, probably still got some, don't use korda hooks much but there ok no problems
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In reply to Post #10
A cheaper Hook means it is cheaper to manufacture.
Does a hook that is cheaper to manufacture than one that costs more to manufacture (Given there is an end goal! e.g. sharper, stronger) stand a better chance of being closer to the end goal than the more expensive one? No.
A more expensive hook does not make it better.
A whole lot of the price is what the brand make on the tackle.
Kamasan B175's are a cheap hook, out of the carp tax zone. For some fishing situations or presentations they are a very good hook.
Like Yonny I have tested various hooks in a vice and a few brands bend, some break, and some have been changed since original release. So some early Korda hooks bent, now the same pattern breaks.
Fox had a problem with the Series 2 hooks. I lost a couple of fish to hookpulls. I found out under slightly heavier playing pressure the hook was opening out slightly and then springing back into shape. They could only be used in open water fishing where you didn't need to keep the fish 'tight'.
When it comes to Korda hooks, I found that out of the packet they are not particularly sharp. Other brands are sharper.
With a 3oz inline lead, the point of a hook in the ball of my thumb I was able to lift the rig up off the desk without it penetrating and causing pain.
I could not do the same with Solar, Gardner or ESP hooks.
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