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In reply to Post #72
That's exactly my problem. We have a Vango Shangri-la 15, honestly, as comfy as a home mattress once you get the inflation right, but getting up...hmm
I looked into putting it onto a army type ali framed camp bed, and I think iirc outwell make a similar version too. I also stumbled upon air frames for air mattresses, I think that was Decathlon. I didnt find many that could be levelled as I think the assumption is camping grounds will be flat.
My final thought before my head hurt...frames of most bedchairs would do the job, just get some thick none stretching webbing straps on the frame. Any old manky bedchair as all you want is the frame...hmm...maybe tbh one day.
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In reply to Post #70
Hi Wandle, I totally agree - there is going to come a point when something gets made, and all these crazy heavy, huge bedchairs will be a thing of the past.
I know of anglers that move several times in the night on fish - but they are much smaller guys than me. Being tall does have plusses but its hard with bechairs etc.
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In reply to Post #71
Hey Fred.
Thank you for the below, I had a look and I'd be fine with the lowness, and it looks fairly non saggy (I prefer a harder bed), and with a sim it will be great.
My issue with it (aren't there always compromises?!) is that I am 6ft 6, and these are 6ft tall and narrower. Also, watching various videos on putting one up, and taking one down, even with camping youtubers who look far more fit than me, struggle heavily.
I'm weighing it all up (pun intended!), and there are many benefits to the carpy BC's, including the length and width (my solar is not the wide version, and is plenty wide enough). These sizes are important to me to rest/sleep. But why oh why they have to be so heavy and cumbersome is beyond me.
And like a few people have commented, there is so little available for people getting taller in society.
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Interesting thread - my only issue would be being so low down and having to get up of the floor. I had a look at some beds that are thicker about a foot but that looks to big for going under my brolly.
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In reply to Post #69
Jack
You could try one of them camping bed things that they sell at Go Outdoors:
https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/19592723/oex-ultralite-camp-bed-19592723
Pretty comfy and pretty light, you can always add a SIM for extra comfort. Only downside is you can't push bulky things under them, but you can't with a SIM only.
Pop along to your local Go Outdoors and try before you buy. 
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In reply to Post #69
I use a Thermarest adventure SIM ..,under a tarp sometimes plus a small inflator ,similar to a flextail ..if the bank is not totally level you'll be slipping and sliding due to the material on the SIM ,unless you dot the SIM when inflated with small silicone blobs to stop the sliding
Also ,getting up fast when on a SIM ain't so great neither.. I've long been on about the Helinox or the knock off versions of the low level 'stretchers 'the minute a company ,again like Helinox does one with longer adjustable legs I'll be on it ..!!
When that time comes ,all these big heavy bedchairs and sleep systems will disappear into the night ..fast..
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In reply to Post #68
Agreed. I am 6ft 6ins, and 13 stone, sleep on my side. Do you find that JRC bedchair you have sags, or is it easy to tighten up?
Something like this is appealing, then just leave everything else on the barrow, or in the rucksack: https://www.mountainwarehouse.com/jupiter-lite-bivi-shelter-p82727.aspx/Option%20/?srsltid=AfmBOornb5M1tlm0tSOSluU6UHDiQ9pJQ_GF6TSHjWs3b_wgHpNw2QrsyNE&gQT=1#001/
My issue with this is some of the lakes I fish have differing bankside steepness and lumps etc.
Atleast with the link you can get a sleeping bag and SIM in.
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In reply to Post #67
The situation with bed chairs and sleeping bag sizes have been bonkers for a long time. People are just getting bigger I guess and there is a market for comfort. The lightest and smallest pack down size I have got is a JRC x-Lite bed chair and an Aqua (non fleece) sleeping bag which still comes in at a total of 10kg+
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Hi all,
Been camping with the fam this weekend, we've got good quality SIM's and it made me think of doing away with the bedchair for over nighters.
I've the Solar SP-Tec MK1 - which is the best bedchair I've ever seen, but fk me it is heavy. 17.5k with bag.
I'd have my Tempest 100T, and maybe the ground sheet, and just sleep on the SIM with a sleeping bag.
Anyone doing this?! I know it's not very carpy, but I couldn't care less - I prefer being able and quick to move, and that bedchair is a ballache, and also being able to sleep - I slept far better than I do on a bedchair.
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In reply to Post #65
bump
🙂
I need a new sim, but i don't want it to keep getting too hot, i don't suppose there is a way of keeping them cool is there..
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In reply to Post #64
well in the winter or summer condensation has never got on the back of it
or on the top ? as when I used to use just a foam mat it was something you had to be very careful of the bed getting wet underneath it in winter due to severe condensation
so I assumed it must be breathable but to be fair you got a point 
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In reply to Post #62
Gerry, how do you know it's breathable. It doesn't mention being "breathable" on the cotswold or mountain equipment websites.
And how can a sealed bag be breathable, surely all the air would leak out 
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In reply to Post #62
I just bought one yesterday should arrive today.
I bought a Solar SP C Tech bedchair as everyone was saying they were the best out there but ive had worse lower back ache from being on that than my last Chub bedchair...
Im a side sleeper normally, but ended up on my back last time which I think caused it... plus the sleep system I could not get on with as too restrictive on my feed.
So i am using my Trakker 365 bag instead of the sleep system and the Helium 3.8 off your glowing reviews Gerry, hope it makes an improvement this time around!
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In reply to Post #59
Again
I can only tell you about the Helium 3.8
that I have owned and used for a good few YEARS fishing in Europe on trips of upto 29 nights in the summer often 30c to 40c
at the time I was 17stone xxxl chest 50" not fat either trust me !
and seen people saying its too small ? LMFAO
WELL I had it on a Trakker ELS bedchair it fitted perfect inside the raised edges and comfort was super provided you followed the instructions and did not fook it up by blowing in it and turning it into an air bed !!
and it does not move around either remember these things are designed to lay on the bloody ground !! so putting them on top of an already padded bedchair you get my drift ?
I did NOT find it to hot at all as it breathes EDIT IT MAY NOT breath SORRY
I have used it on the ELS then the Wychwood tactical compact and now its on my Solar CH08
but its your money and your choice 
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In reply to Post #60
Try a camping forum for advice on best low R rating sleeping mat.
Paul messner on you tube is a good source of info. You could try contacting him direct.
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