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In reply to Post #32 Not from the evidence I've seen, IMO Angling Direct and Total Fishing Tackle etc have a bigger impact on smaller tackle shops than the competitions, the local tackle shop was going extinct long before all the prize sites started up.
From my personal experience in the trade 15 years ago it's about buying power and fast turnover
High end tackle is a different game altogether, small shops couldn't compete.
Was supposed to be a level playing field...bull.
Shimano were awful to deal with, one of the Technium MG big pits was offered to dealers at silly money if you spent enough.
Most of the time you'd be lucky to sell a Stradic or base level baitrunner.
The manufacturers would have give gold, silver and bronze accounts to retailers
And every couple of months the reps would go around offering deals on a range of tackle and high end gear that would be clearing customs soon.
For example their discounts would be based on 50k spend, 20k spend, 10k and 5k spend.
First they went to the small shops who didn't have 10k or 5k to spend on a few high end rods/reels and loads of harder to move lines, end tackle and luggage.
So not having sold their container loads of gear the reps would go to Erics, Climax- who would take the lot.. a million quids worth.
And have a big online sale making 10-15% and after that still sell the remnants for the same or less than the small shop could buy it in.
Cue Johnny customer who goes into his local shop (which couldn't compete on discounts but splashes out on some shelf candy) checks out a rod, reel then orders them online.
Two things happen after that, the local shop stops stocking gear it can't sell and the customers stop coming in for basics.
Honestly thought Korda was a PITA, first you couldn't get an account and had to buy from another dealer, they wanted to see B&M sales first not another online/ebay shop.
Then you had to stock a minimum amount of everything which the rep would top up as seen fit. Spend more, better account, more profit.
But the RRP is the RRP, same price tag all round, they didn't devalue their products.
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In reply to Post #32 Well i will take the word of a rep from a top end supplier and my mate who owns his own tackleshop
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In reply to Post #32 Regardless of the mixed responses, I think we can all agree that Mark Pitchers is a bell end.
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In reply to Post #20 Not from the evidence I've seen, IMO Angling Direct and Total Fishing Tackle etc have a bigger impact on smaller tackle shops than the competitions, the local tackle shop was going extinct long before all the prize sites started up.
I don't follow the Competitions so know nothing about one of the them opening a tackle shop, if true it's not really a surprise and makes perfect sense from a business point of view.
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Selling second hand prices all comes down to how much someone is willing to pay
I've seen some crazy prices both ends people basically giving it away and people what some times want more than what it costs new
But nothing gets sold with out a buyer
Tackle tarts who want to keep up with the latest trend will dispose of there gear yearly to get the next new gizmos sometimes at huge losses
Then I find people with budget gear wanting to upgrade want nearly new prices for there gear
I never buy tackle with a single thought for resale value I buy what I want and can afford with the sole intention of never selling on and if I do move things on it's for what market value dictate and if I don't like the prices it just stays gathering dust
You pay your money you make your choice
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In reply to Post #28 I say the same about the lottery lol
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Entered non, never lost, so that makes me a winner
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In reply to Post #26 A lad i worked with who lived local to me paid £14 for 2 tickets to one and won a £75k BMW and he took the car over the cash.... they tried hard to get him to take the money instead at first but eventually he got the car and has been made up with it, bar having to fill the thing with petrol
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In reply to Post #24 I know a lad who started a company raffling car parts, that ended up regularly raffling £100k+ cars, couple of the raffles undersold and it bankrupted him.
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Entered one once 6/7yrs ago. £2 48hrs on linear all food and bait in with a venue expert. Fished all my life but had only carp fished for 18 months or so. Great session and walked away with knowledge to help on my local waters.
The best £2 I've ever spent. Never had another go on any since.
Only did it to help me improve and it did many thanks Leon if you are still on here.
Paul then from Yarmouth.
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There's a power tool shop that started doing a few raffles a couple of years ago and have now blown up and their raffle side of the company is now worth more than the actual power tool sales side...and they obviously get stuff at cost price tool wise.
Things are obviously there to be won by people but some people are dropping hundreds of pounds on tickets for that dopamine.
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Brexit, covid, and 16 years of Austerity is the very obvious answer. I think people are doing serious mental gymnastics to try and suggest the Raffle companies are the issue. The raffle companies are a result of the cost of living rising, they prey on poor people, they are not the cause of it. People are skint.
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In reply to Post #3 I'm guessing a lot of the new stuff being sold is unwanted competition prizes.
Or insurance jobs, scams, stolen from Evri
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Competitions
I really dislike the concept of effectively selling tackle for three times it's shop value via a draw. In this day and age I don't see gambling as a flutter just a desperate attempt to own something people can't afford. As I've always said go into The Tackle Box with 4 mates and say if we all give you £200 can you pick one of us to win £500 tackle voucher? That way at least you know the winner, shorter odds - but you just wouldn't would you?
Ease of advertising
With market place and the like listing tackle has never been easier, which causes a price drop and can mug some people off when they are listing at a higher price than a shop with offers on the products.
Faith in pricing
Aside from a small number of manufacturers/ shops - most of us have seen 50-70% off offers in shops - I walked round a show with a shop owner who saw some prices that were below his trade price.if you spend £300 on say a Greys rod, then in a year it's worth about £150 (in my mind) but if it's being sold end of line for £150 new, your value is now £80 ish
Covid / trend
Plenty of people started up fishing in covid or went back to it - as it was what we'd be reconditioned to do - connect with the outdoors and enjoy life. Now we are back to the bustle - now the day ticket waters have got a bit tougher to catch a newly stocked 30 or 40 then everything goes up for sale - toy boat and all.
The only real downside of purchasing second hand is the absolute crap service from the main players - that all tell you to go back to the shop when things go wrong.
If you want something it usually turns up second hand if you want to wait - but we can't have it both ways - a good local tackle shop does so much more than sell tackle and I fear for the future.
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