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Scott LLyod....Sticky Reflections story ....
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TCarper

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#64 5 May 2023 at 12.10pm

In reply to Post #59
Quote... You make bait and sell it. Some people love it (many) and conversely I've read people say that it's a load of over hyped average gear. I'm sure you must have read the same?

Of course I have. Not from my customers, from people connected tribally or otherwise to other bait firms, on the internet. People like yourself.

Like you are making personal comments about Scott and it's all okay, you are now making comments about me and my work. I hope it brings you a little bit of joy. You did not answer what I asked you about if the boot was on the other foot and people were making personal comments about you, or maybe your wife or your daughter? Would that be ok? Would it be ok for seven blokes to tell your misses or your daughter, that she is ugly? It's their opinion, and according to you they can voice it. Like for like, as you are doing here.

Don't be so stupid. It will make your wife or your daughter feel like ****, for what? Does it make you feel better? You watched a video, you did not like the blokes vocabulary. So what? Keep that stuff to yourself. It's very easy. If you have nothing nice to say, it's often best to say nothing at all. You would hate it if people from your work environment were all on the internet making comments about you or your family. You would if you are not an idiot.

If you met Scott on the bank, you would lick his arris. Full stop. On the internet you make personal comments about the way he speaks.

That's your right as you say. You clearly cannot admit when you make a small mistake. We all make mistakes, me more than most. It speaks VOLUMES about you. You keep defending your right to make people feel bad on the internet.

Singlebleep

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#63 5 May 2023 at 12.01pm

OK, notwithstanding the hoo hah of mental health that this thread has evoked, and having said my tuppence worth, I decided to watch this film.

I thoroughly enjoyed it. Any of the idiosyncrasies of the angler faded into the background as I became sucked in by the story being told. Although I don’t generally watch videos such as these, it did remind in the format it was presented in, of attending the old talks in rugby clubs and sports venues when a well known or famous ( are they really famous in the general scheme of things) anglers would do a talk, standing in front of the audience and using slides or latterly videos of the subject he was covering. I remember two of these being about a quest for a particular fish - Gaz Fareham and John McAllister. Very similar to this video but not as technically up to date with go pro cameras etc.

After a few initial posts on this thread it then veered off and the mental health issues debate started. Although initially it was link to the video maker it started to veer off to become a general discussion, specifically about youngsters and the effect of the internet. Let’s just take a couple of steps back here and look at the the author of this video and see what there is to conclude. Firstly he would seem to be hardworking, initially as an employee then as a self employed person. That needs a certain amount of resilience and ambition. Secondly he has drive and determination, in this case to catch a certain fish. Thirdly he has enough intelligence and introspection to be able to work out that excessive behaviour has pitfalls, whether it be that excessive nights in the pub can lead to problems or excessive fishing can cause relationship issues. He does point out that he has a life outside angling and he has to balance this against the urge to succeed in catching his target fish. Fourthly he has got a good support network and a large group of friends behind him which doesn’t seem to tie in with someone who never leaves his bedroom. Loved the bit where he phones his mum and her reaction.

So excellent video from a bloke I’ve never heard of

. As I said being a well known angler and being on YouTube is my personal idea of Hell but I have no real issues with those who do, just a lack of understanding why would you want to.

As for mental health and any negative comment, or minor criticisms I think Mr Lloyd is in a good place to deal, ignore or laugh it off

Frenzy

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#62 5 May 2023 at 10.13am

In reply to Post #61
Im no expert in juvenile mental health, but im an expert in my own childs wellbeing.

I do however have alot of experience in 16 - 19 yr old when conducting apprenticeships over an 18 month (ish) period and as part of OFSTED requirements we have to do safeguarding, wellbeing sessions, its quite scary at times what they tell us as a team of professional trainers regarding the impact of social media pressures and what they are exposed to these days.

negative feedback, along with positive feedback is one thing, out and out personal attacks are way out of control these days. As you state, social media, stay off them, none of them do, and that probably includes alot of adults also

Beyonce

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#61 5 May 2023 at 9.21am

I very much doubt Scott Lloyd gives two hoots about a few frustrated old men on a creaking fishing forum mocking his vocabulary. I doubt this strange and irrelevant little world even exists to him.

It is good to know that we have some experts in juvenile mental health in the house though.

No young person going into social media marketing will be naive to the fact it comes with negative feedback, often cruel. It’s always been that way. Scott is smart lad, I’m sure he also knew that.

There is a choice. Keep your fishing private, do a private job, enjoy your fishing and buy your own bait and tackle. Or publicise your fishing, put your life out into the public domain, take sponsorships and get cheap or free bait and tackle and maybe even get paid to fish. You have to take the rough with the smooth of you choose the second way.

connorhcarper

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#60 5 May 2023 at 8.22am

In reply to Post #59
Conversely what if the negative comments gained traction and increased in volume and the result of that was you come away from social media and your business suffered? I guess by your philosophy, jack it all in?

The one statement I agree with that you made is that everyone is entitled to an opinion, however does not mean you have to share it though.

essesxandy

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#59 5 May 2023 at 7.47am

In reply to Post #44
I haven't rushed to reply to your post, I gave it a bit of careful consideration.
My conclusion is that, in the instance of the OP topic, you're talking total tosh.
You make bait and sell it. Some people love it (many) and conversely I've read people say that it's a load of over hyped average gear. I'm sure you must have read the same? If the negative stuff severely affected your mental health then the best thing to do would be to stop selling bait hence stopping any critique, or stop reading the 'reviews'.
I'm self-employed and my work gets put on social media and websites. I mostly get very positive comments about my work, there are always a few that will find something real or imaginary to have a snipe about. If that adversely affected my mental health I would cease to put myself out there for all to see. And that's talking as someone who has suffered from depression (varying degrees) for the last thirteen years or so.
If Scott reads anything about his videos and it sends him to a dark place he should either stop making videos or just stop reading what is said about them. The second option being the most sensible path.
I totally agree about the dangers of the internet as a whole and many people would definitely benefit from getting off the likes of Facebook and Instagram.
Oh and David Bowie definitely did warn about the future dangers of the internet, I remember watching the interview.
Anyway I believe that everyone is entitled to voice their opinions.

Frenzy

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#58 5 May 2023 at 6.45am

In reply to Post #57
A very worrying world we live in today

TCarper

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#57 5 May 2023 at 6.32am

In reply to Post #54
It was not just David Bowie (he went to my school long before me) who said it Joss. When we were kids, remember when the violent videos and video games etc first came out, there was massive outcry because of the serious increase in violence in the youth. We found out then, how much media can affect the young mind. But progress trumps all.

Fast forwards 40 years. 10 years olds grow up with smartphones. Small children growing up on the internet. The internet, where they get predated on by sickos, or can watch real people being beheaded. Burnt, tortured to death. Where sick ****s will encourage them to harm themselves, or kill themselves just for kicks. If you all think your kids will not see this stuff.... Think back to porno mags when we were kids. Kids find a way.

That is the world we now live in. People from my generation and above don't really always seem to understand that though.

Mart74

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#56 4 May 2023 at 10.02pm

In reply to Post #54
I've seen that clip too. My brother is constantly reminding me on the dangers of spending too much time online.

Give it 3-4 years when AI has taken over, will make the internet seems old school!

Busted

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#55 4 May 2023 at 9.36pm

In reply to Post #1
I really enjoyed it. He's always going to be an aquired taste because he doesn't drink bank foraged hawthorn tea from a kelly whilst pretending that he's a scarecrow holding a centrepin on a floppy old bit of cane.

All i saw was a massive amount of enthusiasm and some really solid angling when the odds (both personal and otherwise) were stacked against him. For me, a great film and up there with a lot of what Terry Hearn has chucked out over the last 5 years.

Frenzy

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#54 4 May 2023 at 8.34pm

In reply to Post #53
very interesting posts, if not worrying in this day and age and what the world has become.

I watched a clip the other day by David Bowie warning of the terrible consequences of the internet and that was in its infancy back then. Now look at the state of the world, people etc, add to that COVID lockdowns, especially on children. blimey, people stick everything on social media to gain likes they feed off, they cry when they get bad comments. rough with the smooth comes to mind.

I noticed my youngest (15 yrs old this Saturday) get very withdrawn during lockdowns.

He couldn't go to school, couldn't see his mates, so the devil within the computer was his only way of staying in touch with his mates. its definitely had an effect on his mental well being, add to that, we live in a very remote part of the country, yes, blessed to live where we do, and for me, lockdown in a way was a blessing, i didnt have to talk to anyone, i just kicked sticks around my land, as i said, i'm very lucky and blessed, but im happy with my own company, not the same for everyone.

I agree when one puts him/herself in the forefront of the internet, they need thick skin, tin hat on...but i also hate to see the internet idiots go on blatant attacks just to try and big themselves up and make them feel bigger than they really are.

TCarper

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#53 4 May 2023 at 8.05pm

In reply to Post #52
I am not talking about people who thrust themselves forward into the limelight mate. I am talking about normal everyday people, who have grown up in an age of the internet. They are very different to me and you. Mentally they are so much more fragile. In all walks of life, including carp fishing, there are always people who will take advantage of a situation. Carpers who have fished their whole life virtually full time whilst being carers. Carpers on disability who manage to full time it. Disabled but can lift a heavy Bic252 on and off their motors roof constantly. It's nothing new. That's what is happening now regarding mental health you are totally right. But it's only happening because there are actually SOOOOO many people from the younger 'internet' generation who are truly suffering. That's why others even try to take advantage. It's all new.

I am 49. I was married and divorced at a very young age. I am a lucky man, I've had had some very beautiful girlfriends ever since. My missus is 30. She is very much in a minority of her age group, in that she does not absolutely live on social media. The woman I was with before her, was the same age. She was so beautiful, she was Instagram obsessed. It consumed her. You could see it literally ruled her life. She became so withdrawn, but could never understand that it was the thing that she loved so much that was hurting her. It affects their confidence. They have none. The most stunning woman, who is actually convinced she is ugly.... Because of a life that revolves around strangers comments on social media (mainly other women, who were jealous of her beauty). That age group grew up through their teenage years as social media was kicking off. So many of them have mental health issues because of it. I have had people on this forum refer to me as a 'shed roller', this that, the other. They literally do not know me from Adam, or anything about me. But because of the internet, they somehow think that they do. The reality is, I probably had more money riding on a horse result that day, than they earn in a year. I did not feel the need to even tell them that, because I understood why they would even need to make such comments about someone they do not even know in the first place. Let em think what they want, I could not give a monkeys.

My nephew had to have his computer/internet taken away for a period. Doctors advice. It worked. He is in a much better place these days. This is the reality I am talking about. It's a reality that is lost on people our age, because we simply do not understand, unless we are in a situation where it is put into our face. That confidence we have from being grounded in social situations our whole life.... They do not have. Things we can brush of as banter, or a laugh, sends them to a different place because of it. I was a plasterer for so many years. Around builders everyday and in and out of different peoples houses everyday. Nothing phases me like that. You will be exactly the same.

Kids grow up in their bedrooms on the internet these days though. That causes massive problems for them in social situations. To the point, where they literally cannot leave the house. Get anxious in social situations etc, etc.

Singlebleep

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#52 4 May 2023 at 6.55pm

In reply to Post #51
Mark,
Don’t forget you are coming at this from your particular age group view. When your Dad was giving your Mum the wink, I was patrolling the streets with a flak jacket, helmet and 7.62 rifle. There were people nearby, on every corner who wanted to kill me. Fast forward 15 years I was in a hole in a desert being pumped full of drugs to protect me from Antrax, bubonic plague etc that had only been tested on animals and a daily dose of diazepam to protect against nerve agent. We just had to get on with it. You were doing raves at this time

Although I never really heard of people being mentally affected, the law of odds would dictate some were. However, I do think that once we go down the route of ‘encouraging illness’ it is letting the genie out of the bottle. You now have ‘celebrity’s’ who have ****ed up stating they are suffering from PTSD FFS

How can a reality show actress suffer the same mental problems as a firefighter who pulls dead, burnt children out of a house fire?

By all means be aware of mental health but do not let it become an altar for the masses to kneel before. Life isn’t fair, you are dealt a hand at birth, it’s up to you what you do with the cards you have. Actually reading your account yours and my life start and journey are remarkably similar

Right fishing, which is why we are here. Obviously as a general age thing I don’t get the desire to be a ‘known angler’ - I can’t think of anything worse. For me this isn’t a sport. It’s a hobby, a pastime. A chance to get away from it all, enjoy nature and catch fish.

I have watched the opening of the video, admittedly only a few minutes and the bloke seems alright. I haven’t watched enough to see if he has annoying mannerisms, but if he does, surely mentioning them is a natural instinct? In the long run it may help him if this is a lifestyle choice ( vlogging) he aspires to? Surely if you are irritating part of your potential fan base then knowing this is beneficial. If you are a professional actor/ presenter then the paid critics out there are really savage if you aren’t up to scratch.

So, although I don’t understand the desire to be a ‘Top Angler’ or to have a YouTube presence, I also don’t understand the mentality to deliberately ‘troll’ someone in a truly obnoxious way either. Reasonably criticism though? I would say that if you put yourself out in the public domain you should really expect it. It used to be described as a thick skin, required by those who thrust their life into public view.

TCarper

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#51 4 May 2023 at 5.46pm

In reply to Post #48
Maybe I did not explain myself the best, In general, they have it far easier than we did.

In mental health terms, I think that you are wrong. A lot of people from our generation often have some idea 'they are all snowflakes', or 'they need to pull themselves together'... Of course there were mental health problems when we were kids, of course they went unnoticed. In my primary school there was one lad who clearly nowadays would be at a special school. In my secondary schools there were lads who clearly had issues. When we were kids, those people were very few and far between though. You know that.

When we were kids vast swathes of our friends were not attempting suicide. Vast swathes of our friends were not self harming. I mean literally cutting themselves to the bone. Vast swathes of our friends were not suffering from serious mental health issues, like so many of the younger generations are today. Many of my generation too. It's a big thing that is getting worse. There is no going back now, the internet is here to stay. It's done so many great things, but it has also caused mankind no end of problems. We are social creatures. Take that away and we suffer. We ALL sit glued to our phones now.

In my opinion the internet is solely to blame for this.

We were really lucky my generation. I went to a posh school. When I was in my first year at secondary school, we were the first to have computers. We grew up in a more innocent world and played outside at all times before that. But when I was a teenager computers came along. Later the internet. We got to grow up mentally strong, and then experience this new amazing thing. The generations that followed us, had computers and the internet during their formative years. They have not really played out as kids. They have socialised less and less. They only meet people on apps now. People have become more fragile mentally ever since all this started.

Fairplay for saying you will think twice. If you suffer from depression you clearly understand. Again, no one was downright savage about Scott. But the internet creates a situation where people start making personal comments. No one likes having personal comments made about them. No one. I used to be clueless about all this. My son is a paramedic so I sort of hear things from him. I also have a young nephew, who suffers from severe depression and has tried to take his own life three times. I have had Instagram obsessed girlfriends, who suffer with terrible depression and serious mental health issues because of it.

Anyway, we are no longer talking about the video, or even Scott.

People who do harm, con people, steal, I am all for hanging them out to dry in public. I do not care about their feelings. But personal things about brothers of the angle, that's not on really. The video was great. Made me want to go fishing.

I get to see certain things that you lot do not. Like the build up of antis on social media stamping their feet on popular posts. They are growing, and they do not like us going fishing. We all as fisherman, have far more to worry about than a fishing video, or someone saying the word sick.

LochLondon

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#50 4 May 2023 at 5.36pm

I've also just watched it, have to say I really enjoyed it & the lack of the professional style film crew and shots made it better IMO - but that's just my opinion, same reason some love certain films whilst others can't stand them I guess.

Serious graft for that fish


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