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In reply to Post #61
The Carving from there has gone into one of the lakes I fish. Stunning fish and even better that the lake got it instead of RH
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In reply to Post #61
That was my thoughts also, has been drained and netted recently as part of that process so would make sense.
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You see what’s happened here, same as most as parts of the pastime, it’s becoming acceptable, it’s dominated be greed, self gain and self promotion, that’s where carp fishing all went wrong when people realised they could make a killing from it or be “famous” 
Let the muppets get on with it, ultimately it’s where your passion sits, they can have it for me, it’s become a whorehouse of publicity, greed and utter bull**** 
Find somewhere quite and enjoy your fishing 
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In reply to Post #37
RH doing this completely shifts the window of what we consider normal. Grenville is considered one of the best carp lakes in the UK. Because by comparison to RH lakes it's completely natural.
RH behavior affects every single lake in the UK. What's the difference really between growing carp in a stock pond to 50lb on pellet, and growing a carp in the lake on pellet? One of them is just a bit faster, same result.
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In reply to Post #1
The sooner they die the better, then hopefully people will start to join the dots.
Sorry, but it's no different to sticking a bright white bunny rabbit in the local woods.
People lost their marbles when Darenth were stocking foreign fish into historic waters, yet nowadays the masses don't care because the ethics aren't there.
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In reply to Post #43
Possibly Llyn Cae TyNant mate. They announced they.were closing at the end of last year and selling the fish. Some real stunners there too.
Who knows?! But that sounds logical from the timing.
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Euro aqua on English shores
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My take on it is, this is obviously a very wealthy guy who has the money to invest in buying up waters and growing on these freakish pets in tanks. Stating the obvious, but he’s trying to make his venues stand out from the other day ticket fisheries to claw the money in. Which no doubt must be working for him. As I can’t see a lake stuffed full of smaller carp being that desirable for the average day ticket carper.
Morally it’s all wrong, but until there is some kind of clear line set from the EA or another body, this practice is only going to continue. In a world where people want instant gratification I believe these types of venues are only going to increase in popularity. All we can do perhaps is lobby to the EA, that it’s inhumane to grow a fish of this size and dump it in a lake to fend for itself, that and the decreased life expectancy of these fish. But at the end of the day we ourselves put a hook into a living creatures mouth and pull it in. No matter what nets/mats antiseptic we use. We are still taking something out of its natural environment. So how far do you take it. We are hunters to a degree in our own right.
Or just simply enjoy your own fishing and vote with your wallet and never give the man or venues like it a pound of your hard earned and carry on and do your thing and most of all enjoy it.
I wouldn’t look down my nose at people wanting to experience fishing places like this, they just need to accept that by and large their captures to the vast majority of carpers wouldn’t really mean a lot.
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In reply to Post #46
I look at it from one side of the fence.
My suggestion is a set of stocks at the side of said water for anybody fishing for bragging rights and an immoral record chance, get them in there, 10p for a wet sponge or 50p for a frozen one 
TBH I could give a **** if he grew a 300lb carp 💩
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I look at this from both sides of the fence
The pros and cons of these fisheries
I like fishing natural venues my lake of choice for the last 10 years has been a 60 acre 1 bank only days only water with a close season march-may it took me 3 seasons to catch a fish nothing big in there with a low 30 being the biggest the rest are just mid twenty’s and doubles
But I will visit day ticket venues for a bend when I need a bite but I couldn’t live there tried it once and it ruined my fishing to the point I never went for about 2 yrs but that’s me
Rob hales has seen a gap in the market and is filling it and I gaurentee it will be full week in week out (with some of here)
For me he is also running a scientific experiment he is trying to find away of growing carp bigger and quicker than anyone else he is investing time and money into this he is a businessman he has us debating this on an open forum the publicity he wants and needs he has also come up with away of getting 50lb fish in half the time of another fish farmer big rig proved he hasn’t quite got it right yet died young but maybe the Hot tub fish will last longer fingers crossed it does for the fishes sake
This has been happening for years breeding fish to be bigger crossing dintons with horseshoe fish the black mirror not forgetting the lennys ect
Simmo produced imo the first of these ready available big fish which come with a short life span shorter than a Redmire fish
The problem I have with Rob doing this is he publicly airing his experiments for all to see and praise or criticise
He is revamping forgotten neglected lakes at a cost to some it is I’m afraid the way of life
He is feeding the instant angler he is in a strange way growing the hobby
I admire what he’s doing with patshall from a business point of view and scientific research for me that’s what it is yes it is also for profit but he is helping carping imo
I also don’t like the freak fish show
I hate fishing lakes with Bivvys so close it looks like Glastonbury where you have to book a peg weeks in advance with no watercraft involved
Using a bait i don’t want to use because it’s site specific
I pay my money and most probably will never go preferring peace and quiet and more natural lakes even urban park lakes over these Comercial venues
They will never threaten British records no more
Go and do your fishing for u and u only and enjoy what time you have
If you don’t like it find something u do life is to short
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In reply to Post #43
I've no idea Dave, more concerned re the lack of comment re the Mussels but hey ho...Carp at all costs, never mind the 'bigger picture' at what I consider a historic site.
The conversion of the boat houses, nice, but I'm thinking bats and swallows never mind romantic retreat, though if the latter allows for inclusion then fair enough.
Guess I'm cut from a 'different cloth', proud to ruffle feathers if that's the case.
If anyone has a syndi that shares those views pls get in touch, size of Carp not important.
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The three fish that he stocked "from a Welsh water" were very nice, clean mouths too.
I wonder where they came from 
Any info, pm if preferred 
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In reply to Post #33
This hits the nail perfectly on the head for me. I have heard the “not my cup of tea but I’ll let others do what they want” argument so often recently and find it ridiculous and, actually, a lot of the time it’s spouted by sponsored anglers who keep shuttum in order to keep the peace and to avoid their worst nightmare, discouraging customers and therefore lowering sales.
Carp fishing as a sport/hobby doesn’t have a regulatory body and so it’s up to us as the rank and file anglers to enforce the rules/boundaries/morals. What Rob Hales is doing is so far from the spirit and beliefs that carp fishing emerged with in the formative years of the sport and is going a massive way, in my opinion, in degrading the integrity of the past time. Aside from maintaining the standards and spirit previously spoken about, what a superb argument raising a fish in a heated tank to be then shoved into a lake to be caught by morons with GPS guided boats with more technology than is currently on display in the Iranian conflict really is.
Back to the whole “live and let live” argument around dodgy angling practices, it appears to me to be a similar situation to, hypothetically, if someone up your road was firing up a loud generator all hours of the day, blasting a shotgun at pigeons in their back garden and letting their dog crap all over the road. Would most people stand by and say “ah well it’s not what I’d do but I’ll let them live their life”? Of course not, they would take action by calling out and criticising the practices that are plaguing the majority of the residents and reducing their quality of life.
It makes me think of how 10/15 years ago Facebook/various forums were full of interactions that went a long way towards maintaining the integrity of the sport. Obviously I’m not endorsing full blown personality attacks/ bullying but it certainly felt like labelling things as “noddy” or having people speak their mind most definitely lead to my development as a young angler where I attempted to “do the right thing”, stay on the right side of more experienced anglers and their standards of expected behaviour and aspire to the higher echelons of our sport (not that I ever got there ha ha). Nowadays, the current climate seems to be full of people buying £3000 bait boats before they can cast 80 yards, being worried about what diesel generator they’re going to use to survive a 3 degree night in November and how they will go about getting a bait deal after catching some 75lber from the Monument on a ready tied Ronnie rig, without any of it being called out or criticised.
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You don't have to click if you don't like it.
Below is the link released tonight of The Patshull Park Project 2. The work they're putting in and 11 minutes in, stocking of 3 big none RH fish from a Welsh fish breeder. One thing I did think, surely there are fresh water mussels in there re skimming silt?
LINKY POO™ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXZgyLmLAb8
EDIT, and that tree, what a stunning place that'll be to fish with those mature surroundings!
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In reply to Post #37
My issue is that the fish are going from a heated pond with food falling on their head every hour. They have now been moved to a lake which is not heated and have to find food themselves.
Sticking fish from a normal carp farm is fine as they are grown up with water temps which go up and down and have some natural instincts.
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