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Don't know if Pete still comes on here. If he does I hope he does not mind me posting this for the previous poster:
OK after so many requests here are a couple of simple base mixes to base your own baits around. There is nothing clever here just simple balanced nutrition and if you take any of these as a base and then add your chosen attractors you won’t be going far wrong.
BM1 (basic HNV mix)
30% LT94 fishmeal
15% Maize Protein Meal 60% (supergold 60)
13% Egg based bird food like CeDe
10% Semolina
10% Soya flour (heat treated)
8.5% pre-digested fishmeal
8.5% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
5% Equivite
Depending on the exact brand of milk powder and bird food you use this will give you a bait with over 50% crude protein and about 10% oil content. Although they sound a little high it will come down if you add a few attractors to it yourself. If you really want to know the FLAA is Phenylaline, the 2nd is Methionine and the 3rd is Threonine……but all are plenty high enough to allow the carp maximum utilisation of the protein in the bait.
I have deliberately left the solubles a little on the low side so that you can add your own soluble attractors such as Betaine, MSG, liver powder etc without the bait falling to pieces in the water after 10 minutes!
Now another mix I have played with and had some promising result on before I stopped bait development was slightly different. Lower fish meal due to increased costs and slightly higher energy was the initial goal.
BM2
22% Poultry protein meal
20% LT94
10% Maize Protien Meal 60% (supergold 60)
10% pre-digested fishmeal
10% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
7% Micronized Soya meal
6% Semolina
2.5% Micronised crushed hemp
2.5% Equivite
Again the crude protein level is above 50% but the lipids levels are higher. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd LAA are the same as the above mix although the balance is not quite as good. As with BM1 you can add your attractors to this. If you find it too soft (I like it that way and the attractors can just pour out) then try adding 2 or 3% egg albumin.
For a simple bait take any of these and add 20ml per Kg of good quality oil such as Cod liver or Salmon, a few ml of flavour if you want some and 8-10 eggs per Kg of base mix.
Two of the best recipes you will ever encounter...Nothing more needs saying
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In reply to Post #583 Honestly I think it is a mixture of things. It smells good, even after many hours in the water. It breaks down well over time, probably a little too soft for some but I like it soft. It tastes good. No one part adds to this but the sum of all the parts add up to a good bait.
8 years after I posted that I am sure that is still a really good mix. My bait making since then has gone down different routes just to exercise my brain more than catch carp but seeing that old mix again has made be feel nostalgic and I am so tempted to make a few kilos
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In reply to Post #458 Dear Peter,
what do you think makes this mix superior to others? Most ingredients are widely used in standard mixes. Is it the spirulina, kelp or really the vanilla flavour?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts,
Joe
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Absolute bait making novice here. To be honest, I have no clue what I've got and what I need to make a good boilie. some bait making ingredients came up on the bay and for 99p, I thought what's the worst that can happen!
my question is do I need any other ingredients to make my own boilies. what I've bought is
Spirulina 4x1kg unopened
Blood powder 1kg unopened
Egg albumen 1kg unopened
Whole egg powder 5kg unopened
Hearing meal 5lg approx opened
Fine oyster shell 2kg approx opened
Clo 10kg approx opened
Tiger nut meal and flour 15kg.
I'd like to give it a try and if it all goes terribly wrong, I'm not losing anything really. just need a little push in the right direction. thanks
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In reply to Post #578 Beetroot powder for redness. Pretty darn powerful and natural
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In reply to Post #579 Should be okay especially if you add 20ml of oil.
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In reply to Post #578 thanks, do you think that the mix will roll ok ?
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In reply to Post #577 That mix will catch fish, so I think my advice would be to go for it. However if iy was me I think you are wasting money on Robin Red, it's not the ingredient it used to be and is an expensive red colouring. I would replace it with 50g of paprika and up the Clo tp 150g.
Clo and supergold have very different properties, supergold will add protein to your mix but not a lot else, Clo provides some binding properties, carbohydrates and oil but it is easily digestible, it's an ingredient I use a lot.
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In reply to Post #576 Hi all,
Prior to buying ingredients for a test mix I would appreciate any feedback on this mix.
Semolina 100g
Soya 100g
CLO 100g
Supergold 60 100g
LT-94 250g
CPSP-90 100g
WPC-80 100g
Robin Red 100g
GLM 20g
Beef Liver Powder 20g
Garlic Powder 10g
Not sure if I have the soubles and binders at the correct ratio.
Do CLO and Supergold offer the same properties ?
Thanks
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In reply to Post #574 How do you mean hold the boilie together like lt94 ? In terms of binder or its qualities ? If you mean as a binder then it won’t make a difference as neither will help bind.
Also not sure how buoyant insect meal is. Never used it but if it’s anything like krill or shrimp meal you won’t get near 30% without the bait being great pop ups.
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In reply to Post #77 I'm toying with the idea of a making the BM1 recipe, I'm just trying to think outside the box like we all do... is it possible to exchange the 30% LT94 fishmeal for Insect meal, or even swap out say 15% and add 15% insect meal?
I'm just not sure if the fishmeal is something that holds the boilie together better than the insect meal? I'm thinking along the lines of 'The Bug'
I just nee to bite the bullet and start experimenting I guess but it would be interesting to hear you thoughts.
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In reply to Post #570 I wouldn't bother with krill essence (not needed) or robin red (very overrated)
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In reply to Post #571 Only 1 egg
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In reply to Post #570 That's a lot of liquids, are you not using eggs?
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In reply to Post #569 Hello guys thats is my mix but i think need more proteins what i need change or add
Standar fish meal 300gr
Clo 100gr
Fish Pelets milled 300 gr
Blood plasma 50 gr
Chill powder 40gr
Cornmeal 100gr
Soya 100gr
Black pepper 10 gr
Liquids
CSL 230ml
Krill liquid 80 ml
Robin red liquid 40ml
Belechan liquid 50ml
Krill essence 0.4ml
What i need to add or change ?
Thanks
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