 Is Carp Fishing Under Threat
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Carp fishing is not under threat whatsoever... Judging from a different thread running, Ali's Temu reselling game might be though. š
Maybe, that is really what is worrying him??
There are plenty of youngsters taking up carp fishing, more than ever before. Just like we all did, with our dads & our uncles. The exact same ways. We did not need social media to take up fishing, and neither do the youth of today. They 100% don't need social media to sell them stuff either!
It's all a load of bowlocks. You only give credence to the bowlocks by paying attention to the bowlocks in the first place. Ignore the bowlocks and your life/angling will be so much better for it.
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In reply to Post #42
Nice one. š
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In reply to Post #1
In my personal opinion carp fishing in the UK is garbage nowadays. There's several reasons for this, and they fall into three categories.
Anglers
Too many anglers fishing for carp
Too many inexperienced anglers (instant carpers)
No etiquette
Everyone wanting to be the next TH
Lake owners
Only care about profits
Ridiculous amount of rules
Zero knowledge on how to run a lake properly
Not qualified to run a lake
No knowledge of fish welfare
Overpriced syndicates that are just glorified day tickets but charge syndicate prices
Industry
No innovation
Constant cycle of pointless products
Cheaply made products from China
Never give back to the industry
See anglers as a "cash cow"
UK companies stealing other companies designs (Fox)
You could also throw in predation issues, poaching, rise in fish diseases, useless governing body (EA), pollution issues
I gave up UK fishing 10 years ago to focus on my European angling and from experience I can say its head and shoulders above the UK scene now. Not only is the standard of angling at a good level, or in some cases better, but so are their waters, and the way they are run, both from a private and public lake perspective. If I do fish private waters abroad then I go out of my way to make sure I pick one that isn't owned by English people. The rivers/canals abroad are much better than here too. Don't get me wrong, they have their own problems but compared to the UK, it's night and day.
As I said this is just my personal opinion from my own experiences and I understand many people may feel differently to me and that's absolutely fine. I voted with my feet and left the UK scene for others to enjoy, rather than continue to go and being one of those miserable buggers who just complains the entire time. Each to their own.
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In reply to Post #40
Repairs to swims etc etc go for it šš
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In reply to Post #39
Hang on a minute.... So if I'm a self employed trades man, Chippy for example, and i add to my business name Joiner and Pro angler. Then i could claim back the cost of my tickets as a business expense?
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I watched a video recently where an well known angler mentioned he had loads of tickets, most of which he didn't fish but they were paid for (or an amount claimed back) as it was classed as an expense of his job. Which I'm guessing is some type of self employed media person.
It made me wonder how many others are also doing similar to various extents
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I think it's even worse. So yes, you have an army of retarded anglers nowadays, as has been pointed out in this thread, and then you have a cultural change in the broader sense relating to man's relation to nature, from the club of rome to today's greenies, the culling of commercial fishing etc etc. So all in all, i'm kinda suprised carp angling isn't on the chopping block already.
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In its simplest form it is fishing, a relaxing pastime. Flip side it has been saturated and done to death by people trying to make a living from it or seeking 5 minutes of fame. For me its had its legs kicked from underneath it, the very thing that made it special to everyone and that is purely down to greed, fame and fortune.
Unplug social media, get rid of all the noise and crack on. The more i see how things are going the more i think publicity bans are the right thing for the future of carp angling, it then comes down to people doing the right things for the right reasons, nothing else!
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Itās all gone a bit Hollywood
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I donāt tend to watch to many fishing vids on YouTube but the last few I have seen have been over dramatised, the said angler always seems to catch the biggest fish on the last night/hour of a weeks long session ????
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In reply to Post #34
Your right, Iāve also come to the conclusion of late that āThe biggest threat to Carp Fishing is Carp Anglers!ā
It all seems to have lost its way of late, itās hard to put your finger on a specific thing , it seems to be a combination of lots of little things adding to one hell of a mess developing.
Loads of people I chat to are saying the same thing, from all over the place.
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In reply to Post #33
About 95% of the carp fishing fraternity simply don't care. Most of the industry are just in it for the Ā£Ā£Ā£'s, and a substantial number of the so called "anglers" just want to stick a hook in the biggish fish possible in the easiest way possible, haul it in, get pics on the socials then have 10 cans of Stella. They're not going to push back against anything; they'll be golfing next.
My hope is that for as long as I am able to get outdoors and cleanse the soul a bit, the situation won't have changed too dramatically - but the crunch point will come eventually.
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Is carp angling under threat ?
Yes it is...here are a couple of examples ,firstly as soon as the last vestiges of hunting has gon e ,that's trail hunting, then angling in all of its present forms will be under further,and more intense scrutiny
Carp angling ,I believe will self implode ,due to the cost of it,it's now getting silly money,of which I'm one of several people known to myself who will not pay extortionate day or season tickets ,including those apps...
Then we have looneys who marry a river and give it some sort of 'living rights',don't forget the tourism issue,which take over,urbanise,and gentryfy formerly lovely lakes..and of course open water swimming ,that's just some of the threats ..
I've said it before,angling needs to up its game ,proper courses for aspiring or potential anglers of the future,because having a unhooking mat or the now potentially inadequate carp care liquids are not going to cut it in the future..
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In reply to Post #31
Spot on for me. I havenāt watched the video (showing my age) but from everything I have seen OMC and Ali come across as desperate to get market share and have become a hybrid of Badger Tackle and Korda and made a complete mess of it.
The threats you mention are real to me and the more we move Caro fishing from hobby and relaxation into likes and sm content the worse the problem will get, every year we lose real angling advocates and replace them with screaming knobs with mohicans and baseball cap wearing inner city āwarriorsā
We should be worried that come any revolution we no longer have an army of educated evangalists, like Paisley, Ball, Clifford etc etc. that werenāt so busy bleeding the industry dry and could argue from a non commercial standpoint.
Everyone is to busy gambling their last fiver with Pritchers to win a set of basiiairs than worry about an otter fence or pollution- why donāt they run a draw for a Ā£20k study on the state of our rivers instead of a camo transit- see how many tickets they sell.
I know I sound old and grumpy but we all let this happen - one of the most common rules now is that you have to clear litter in a swim even if itās not your rubbish - we used to do that anyway, who ever wants to fish with crap around them?
Itās a shame embryo had to start but Danny I believe was ahead of the curve, to stop people buying up waters not to preserve angling but as a commercial opportunity.
I think thereās enough years left for me to see out fishing how I want to and the people I see entering our sport will probably get what they deserve, if youre only in it for likes and sponsorship donāt be surprised when the well is dry.
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I would argue that angling is at threat in the UK, but not for any of the reasons mentioned in the video.
No discussion at all about the extremes of temperatures with its effect on water tables and then the presumed increase in water borne viruses such as KHV, the moves against shooting in the UK that seem to put angling in line next for pressure from lobby groups, predation, water quality and pollution, invasive species the list goes on.
In contrast, stop the media machine from communicating on a direct line to the masses of impressionable kids and they start dooming over it and calling on the industry to come together.
If any one of those people had been vocal or active about any other perceived threat to our love and hobby - before one that affects their businesses - I would love to know!
The only company backed action I can say i have witnessed is Embryo yet Ali sees fit to call Danny out in public...
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In reply to Post #29
Iām sure in one of the last podcast Danny said embryo owed him around 8 million.
Heās never going to call the debt in and going to leave it as a trust when he breathes his last.
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In reply to Post #28
Ahh right. Well it certainly isn't a tax dodging scheme. Even if it was, why would someone invest so much money into something they will never see a return on?
Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The sad reality is that people will believe what they choose to believe.
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In reply to Post #27
I think he's suggesting that Embryo was set up as a loss making company to offset profits from Korda such that korda avoid paying a lot of corporation tax. I don't know enough to comment but even if it was, then it's a very noble way of avoiding tax and I would not criticise Danny or Korda in the slightest.
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In reply to Post #12
What is this "front" you're referring to? Have you spoken to DF directly? Do you have some personal insight into his supposed fiendish or wicked plans that the rest of us aren't aware of?
The facts are actually pretty straightforward. DF has invested well over Ā£10 million of his own money into Embryo, creating, improving and protecting fisheries for everyone to enjoy. The reality is that he will be long gone before Embryo ever see a return, if it ever does at all. That hardly fits the narrative you're alluding to.
As for the claim that there are no otters in Paddock Wood, or Kent more generally, that's simply not accurate. While sightings are relatively uncommon, there have been confirmed reports in the county, including along the Medway. Otters are highly mobile animals and can travel considerable distances (in some cases over 10 miles in a single day) in search of food. Just because they haven't been seen on the stretch of the Medway near Paddock Wood doesn't mean they haven't been there or won't turn up in the future.
The simple reality is that it only takes one otter to discover a fishery for the consequences to be significant. Dismissing that risk because sightings are infrequent doesn't make the risk disappear.
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In reply to Post #24
Had several of those...binned em all along with all the old carpworlds
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In reply to Post #18
To be fair, as a rather naive youngster with limited access to the 'top shelf', I very rarely got past the lingerie / women's underwear section.
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In reply to Post #18
There was some great Shimano gear in those Littlewoods catalogues.
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In reply to Post #21
Loved the catalogues but one of my greatest disappointments was visiting Bennetts. I bought a 'at the time' expensive feeder rod, a Fox Vario 3 length and decided to collect it, nice little drive from Manchester way.
Got there to find nearly everything behind glass display cases, being watched like a hawk walking round too, not the best, didn't consider myself to look that suspicious.
Having said that, said rod is still in use, so every cloud and all that š
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In reply to Post #19
Oh yeah the old Bennets catalogue, could only dream about most of the stuff in there lol
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In reply to Post #14
Not a concern for me. I don't need social media influenced kids (or any other age group)taking up fishing.
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In reply to Post #18
Same
And then moved on upto Bennettās of Sheffield.
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In reply to Post #8
This made me smile, I used to use my mums littlewoods catalogue for fishing gear to get byš
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The best thing that ever happend to Korda was Ali leaving .... The company credability profile and maturity significantly improved. The more relaxed persona makes them a far more likeable bunch.
Unfortunately for Ali, its a profile that whilst he is onboard, OMC can only dream of.
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When I hear or read the words 'carp fishing industry ',then that tells you all you need to know.
I don't possess or have ,nor will I ever buy a single bit of OMC tackle ..
Ali Hamidi and OMC are bad for angling ,it's embarrassing, he's not a real angler,just a gobby salesman ..it is what it is ...that Noble Shelter ,I mean c'mon it's a crap design ice fishing knock off...just for starters ..
O...Overtly
M..more
C.crap ....
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In reply to Post #12
Korda will not take over a water that is under a lease to a club,they will only enquire about waters and only do a deal if club or owner of the water is 100% happy
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The under 16 social media ban is clearly a concern that less kids will enter the sport.
Will magazine sales increase because of this or will the under 16s find ways to carry on regardless. I suspect the latter.
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hamidi on the fox podcast was all about him, the others couldn't get a word in...i disliked haimidi before that podcast, now i despize him even.
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In reply to Post #8
"haven't seen OMC fencing lakes for nothing recently."
Last time I checked, there aren't any Otters in Paddock Wood...
Embryo being about otters was just a front, a very see-through one at that too.
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In reply to Post #1
Calling DF out is an absolute Joke from Hamidi.
Korda have done loads over the years to promote Carp Angling, obviously with an Agenda none of the other companies have done anywhere near as much as they have, and OMCā¦!?
The fella is an absolute buffoon and is just interested in self promotion and likes.
I would never ever buy a single piece of OMC Kit purely because heās such a penis. Wouldnāt matter If it absolutely guaranteed me catching every time I went, Iād still swerve it.
I couldnāt watch the whole video, utter BS being spoken, bet Chilly couldnāt wait to get out of that room at the end.
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If Ali wants to bring the business together, I would advise him to start a whatsapp group and maybe a doodle instead of that embarassing speech. All that drama. I think he just want to be talked about.
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In reply to Post #6
So thoughts. What an absolute pile of ********. With the exception of Chilcott everyone else seemed to think that without angling āstarsā pushing out media content that fishing will die. Well I first went fishing in 1962 aged 6. From the age of ten to through my teenage years I went fishing every weekend, bank holiday and school holiday. Once working but still single I still fished weekends regularly. In the mid 70ās official government figure put the number of PARTICIPATING anglers at 7.5 million. So how did that happen? The only angling media available to the vast majority was the Angling Times and Anglers mail. Specialised stuff like Peter Mohanās efforts were kitchen table publications and very niche.
exactly, fishing needs online media content my @rse,
70s and 80s alll we had was Angling Times, Anglers Mail, rods and reels on tick from Kays or Littlewoods.
Just shows what an utter circus carp fishing has become.
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I had to turn it off couldn't listen to Ali or the others anymore and when he calls out Danny Fairbrass for not doing enough to protect and promote the sport that is a joke haven't seen OMC fencing lakes for nothing recently.
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I had a good think and marshalled my thoughts before posting. I donāt do much fishing media, preferring to actually fish than to watching it. So before going further I have to say other than Ian Chilcott whom I know via his writings in Carpworld and Ali Hamedi because you canāt avoid him, I have no idea who the other 3 are.
So thoughts. What an absolute pile of ********. With the exception of Chilcott everyone else seemed to think that without angling āstarsā pushing out media content that fishing will die. Well I first went fishing in 1962 aged 6. From the age of ten to through my teenage years I went fishing every weekend, bank holiday and school holiday. Once working but still single I still fished weekends regularly. In the mid 70ās official government figure put the number of PARTICIPATING anglers at 7.5 million. So how did that happen? The only angling media available to the vast majority was the Angling Times and Anglers mail. Specialised stuff like Peter Mohanās efforts were kitchen table publications and very niche.
The participants in the blog then conflated two issues. One was the instant gratification aspect. They said people wanted to join the hobby ( it is a hobby not a sport) and instantly want to catch a 30 or 40 pounder to put it on social media for likes. They were totally oblivious to the fact that THEY were the people who are solely responsible for this. Are they so totally up their own arses that they donāt see this? The other point raised was without media exposure from the tackle companies youngsters wonāt know about the sport, they then with breath taking arrogance then mix this up with bottom line profits. What in effect they were saying, especially Hamedi was they need the youngsters hooked so they would buy their gear from them and enhance their bottom line profits. Hamedi spoke of sales techniques and university degrees but this approach is straight out of the drug dealers playbook.
Finally if Hamedi was a footballer the stats would show he dominated the field with 85% possession. He never shut up, talking over the others, lots of personal big ups for himself. I was determined to watch to the end but it was difficult. I know times change, I know technology marches on but it also has downsides and all of those with one exception were too blinkered to see this. They were complaining about things that they had caused and couldnāt separate need from greed. Any talk about doing free events from the tackle companies is purely patching up the damage they have caused.
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Whenever they say 'carp fishing' replace it with my bottom line or the bottom line of the hand that feeds me
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In reply to Post #2
from what I have seen it also felt more like it was a plea to maintain business than fishing legitimately being threatened.
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In reply to Post #1
It isn't under threat, there's more carp anglers on the bank than ever. There are more lakes than ever. There are more packed out Ā£750 a year club lakes than ever. There are more bait companies and tackle companies than ever. It's never been more affordable than ever before.
The bigger companies just have more competition than ever, because people are starting the realise you can't rinse people for old rope, and that hurts a select few in the pocket.
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In reply to Post #1
It felt to me like their concern was more about whether or not they would be able to continue to sell Fox and OMC tackle to kids through their social media once the ban came in.
They are all only out to make money.
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