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In reply to Post #1
Sorry Kells Fat fingers  
Apparently there's a vid doing the rounds on Social media. Filmed by an Angler. Showing the aftermath of his swim after being attacked by said angler.. Apparently from what I've heard Simon can be a bit Firey. But attacking a fella angler on the bank..33 Always two sides to a story mind.. its Fishing for ****s sake..
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In reply to Post #83
As much as Craig is who he is, I don't think there's anyone better out there for calling things out for how they are at present.
However, and this is a big however. The antics many of us got up to pre Kordarisation was, and is, left on the banks of where they occured. 
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In reply to Post #83
He does seem to be taking it upon himself to do as much damage as he can 
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In reply to Post #82
Correct . He just likes stirring it .
No angel himself .
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Am I right in saying that this Craig Mitchell, the one posting everything over socials (I mainly see it on Instagram) isn't actually the guy Simon Crow had the altercation with?
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In reply to Post #80
Apparently ( find myself saying that a lot these days.  ) Someone on the Socials has jumped to Simons defence saying. The dog was tied up because the fellas dog was a bit reactive its all on body cam. The other fella had a pop first. The Plod have seen the footage. Case closed.. Thing is I don't remember seeing a body cam on Simon at all
He could of well tied his dog up because of the other dog. Or he might of just needed both hands free... who knows.
Best thing now is for Simon to put his side of the story on record. Maybe even apologies if he feels he has to.And for them to both shake hands and move on.. it's fishing for ****s sake.. 
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Just seen a another video where crow is standing there filming the guy filming him lol
Though to be fair someone else on the lake has come forward to say crow did in fact start it lol
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In reply to Post #74
Lewis Porter??? Only saying that as listened to the baitworks podcast he done. And thought I thought ' Arrogant **** " it takes a lot for me to take a dislike to someone. Always ty and find the best in people.. might think diffrent if I met him.
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In reply to Post #75
Just giving my experience in a fishing situation, appreciate that there may well be circumstances where some people are not quite as gracious as they could be.
Both those named were really pleasant on the bank, Dovey even invited me round for Pizza they were ordering in on the evening.
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In reply to Post #76
I can neither confirm nor deny.... 
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In reply to Post #63
I think I know who the dickhead from fox is.....a Lincolnshire chap?
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In reply to Post #74
One of the names you did mention can be a right arrogant ****er,telling a young fan he was too busy to give him his autograph.He was only stood talking to a mate and just couldnt spare a couple of minutes,I think thats disgusting if im honest
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I've fished on lakes with a few pro's in the past and they are either really friendly and "normal" like us all, (Tom Dove & Darrell Peck fit into this bracket) or surly arrogant tossers who look at you like you are not worth the time of day, shant name these ones but there was one in particular from Fox who was a really unlikeable chap!
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In reply to Post #72
You buggers 
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In reply to Post #71
Tbf baiting pros (without punching them) is good sport, especially on hard lakes where everyone is blanking most of the time . . . . . a well(ish) known pro angler who still works for a well known tackle co (but shall remain nameless) was on my then 20 man syndicate in the early 00's.
He actually kept himself to himself, he rarely if ever spoke with anyone (unlike the rest of us punishers), not even to glean info / find out what was occurring or not etc. Probably because of this, and the fact that he was a pro he instantly became subject to ridicule . . . .tbf all of us, (being from a diverse set of backgrounds in life) were subject to ridicule from each other most of the time, but he was def an easy target and therefore deemed total fair game. (Being overgrown kids ourselves we were also all probably envious about his status at the time)
It became apparent that he was losing his hair rapidly (unfortunate for someone in their 20's) so we decided that we would all take daft wigs every session and don them the next time he turned up at the lake. The day came and this duly occurred . . .on his very first lap he would discover every angler sitting out in front of their bivvies, quietly watching their rods but wearing a strange, ill fitting hair piece - I actually sported an afro for reasons that escape me.
Sufficed to say he said absolutely nothing as we laughed via messages on our Nokia 5210s that must have been pinging around the entire lake. Must of hurt because we never saw him again after that weekend . . .and he certainly did not renew his ticket
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Ive only seen a bit of it on FB but the page it is on is some Craig fella who seems to like giving 'named anglers' grief. He did it with Elliott Gray a few months back regarding sacking a carp.
Its all a bit sad and 20 years ago we would not have had any video footage or heard any whittling about it on FB.
ATB
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Credit, Totally Carp Baits, coming soon to your local Avid stockist.
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There has been fisty cuffs in carp fishing since the beginning, it's just more out there in the public eye with social media.
Back in the 90s I was on a well known day ticket complex (heard about it in a carpworld article by Rob Hughes and Simon Crow, funnily enough).
Someone in a corner swim cast over an anglers lines who was on the next swim round the corner, so the person there complained to the bailiff who said he would go round to have a word.
Next thing, we hear some shouting and the bailiff comes back around having punched the guy saying 'that outta sort that out, but let me know if it happens again' 
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In reply to Post #63
The whole episode is a sad indictment of modern carp fishing. Full-time anglers, thinking that they have carte blanche to fish however they want despite all their other advantages, generally speaking too many guys spending far too long on the bank instead of dealing with other things in their lives.
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In reply to Post #64
100% agree
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In reply to Post #62
I think that would be Strategic Carp Fighting?
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In reply to Post #61
Well judging by some comments, Crow appears to be shrugging it off as "something and nothing" which indeed it may have been, however I would suggest the state of the bloke he had an altercation with and Crow's busted lip tell another story...
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In reply to Post #47
All of us have bent a rule or 2 over the years. So what its fishing .
That's not angling to me.
Breaking rules, nope, never have, never will. I go fishing to enjoy myself not to be looking over my shoulder jic someone sees I'm breaking a rule, and what does it say about me if I break the owners trust? Can a person breaking the rules take as much satisfaction from what they catch, as those that still catch withing the restrictions...well, they probably do, but I couldn't.
I would say each to their own, but I don't like cheating in any form, in life, just me, no doubt I'll get slated or black listed by those that do...oh well.
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In reply to Post #51
Probably all set up for social media coverage. No such thing as bad publicity.
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In reply to Post #59
NO i wouldnt do the same at all ...
Im not defending mr crow at all but .. let him tell his side before getting slaughtered on the socials.
Then if guilty he deserves all he gets ..
Im just not a fan of trial by social media .........
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I'm not going to comment directly on these allegations. However, I did have a disagreement with him about "Penning gate" at the time where he was criticising people for having a go at Adam. Had to point out to him that if Adam hadn't behaved the way he had, there would be nothing to talk about.......
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In reply to Post #47
If its true the way that it's been said to have happened, then one guy attacking another is not two guys having a punch up, its assault simple as that. It sounds to me that you would do the same based on your comments.
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In reply to Post #49
Im 53 why ?
Like I said they sorted it out . Move on .
All this social media is pathetic on both sides
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In reply to Post #56
He has been flirted by the lake apparently - unsure weather it was a club or syndicate but they have posted saying he has been kicked out on facebook i think
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In reply to Post #50
The social media person needs to show their version on social media....imho. I would say mr crow has a bit of a duty to either defend his actions or admit he got something wrong.
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In reply to Post #49
Totally agree. Implying that its OK to break the rules is not on. The rules are there for good reasons, whether its fish safety, environmental reasons or to avoid p**sing off other anglers on the lake, who are behaving. For those who defend rule breaking, for how long would they tolerate it when fishing next to any angler who is breaking the rules, and then basking in their YouTube glory of any captures made whilst cheating ? Imagine fishing a lake where everyone thinks its OK to just do anything they want and then resort to violence once they're called out. Total anarchy Lol.
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If I went round punching people wearing my work clothes I would expect to be fired or put on suspension immediately for 'bringing the company into disrepute'
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In reply to Post #50
I would have pissed myself if the bloke had clocked crowey , took his phone and then took pictures and plastered them all over social media.
This sport is knackered on the way out.
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This is what we get for supporting and allowing these so called famous anglers to fish for a living. There full Time tramps nothing more. Most I’ve met are off there head on Coke or piss heads living out of a tent.
They fish 5-7 days a week catch a few and every one claps or bigs them up.
They think there untouchable and can catch at any cost.
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In reply to Post #50
Crowy’s rule breaking is on his own YouTube channel, all the guy did was call him out on it in the comments.
Attacking him is a bit extreme, like others have said maybe the constant need for social media content is taking its toll.
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In reply to Post #47
How old are you? Using words like Grass/Snitcher, we’re not at school you know!
The one breaking the rules is the problem not the guy who outed him for it, If he gets caught breaking the rules and called out for it, that’s their problem! To then go an assault the person for calling him out, is out of order, it has no place in angling whatsoever.
What’s even worse the guy in the wrong is a named angler and went to the guys swim with intent! He should have known better! His actions are shameful and if his sponsors have any morals and decency at all they’ll drop him, bullying and violence has no place on the bankside whatsoever!
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In reply to Post #47
Neither of them look like they can scrap either. Seen more damage after my kids rugby matches, and hes 12 ffs. A little scratch and a bust lip 
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I dont see the issue . 2 blokes having a punch up after 1 snitched on the other ?
Why it all has to be filmed and put allover social media is the pathetic part ...
There is always one grass / snitcher on every pond . Its normally the bloke who never catches .
All of us have bent a rule or 2 over the years. So what its fishing .
They had a dust up . Move on .
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In reply to Post #45
Two grown men acting like kids ffs. Both getting their little phones out and filming this rubbish. Either scrap it out like men or shut the **** up and get on with your hobby. Absolute wet wipes the pair of them.
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What a brilliant video and I hope there are more in this series - it could be like the ‘new podcast’ format, where you both get your phones out and ask questions without libelling yourself.
What a pathetic world we live in, where everyone is filming everything but actually doing nothing to address the problem. Small little people, and you see it at football every week, outside pubs, trying to get clicks.
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In reply to Post #43
Funny bussiness our hobbi... those with serious problems in life go fishing to find peace, solitude and heal and those who are on the bank all the time go nutts from it... woudnt be a first time 2 anglers fishing close by would throw a punch or two but not even fishing and coming to someones swim just to confront them now that is another ball game...
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Throwing sticks @ 20 paces
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Whatever Crow was supposed to have done it doesn't surprise me at all. Not him personally but for a lot of the "names" that make their living out of Carp fishing. It is catch at all costs, as without a catch pic their stock quickly falls. In Crow's case it doesn't matter if he is mates with Tim Paisley, if he's not catching it's not a good look for his sponsors. That goes with a lot of anglers that have bait deals, we know that they will often catch on anything but their suppliers bait but it won't be reported that way in the angling press or social media.
I have witnessed it myself on a few lakes and it is embarrassing the lengths some will go to and they deserve to be called out publicly IMO.
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There’s always been stuff like this. Just wasn’t filmed for likes.
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In reply to Post #38
What has Carp fishing become 
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In reply to Post #36
Plus one….
The state of it… two guys having fisty cuffs and then getting on there phones to film each other, while they attempt to justify their side of the story.
A) if the guy has an issue with crowy pulling strokes he needs to go through the bailiff / syndicate leader to sort it. Not comment on videos on social media.
B) if crowy is taking it personal and getting that wound up about it he is getting into altercations with other anglers he needs to give his head a wobble and take a break from fishing and social media. He can just delete comments and block people if he wants to manage how he is viewed.
C) why can’t they just have a straightener, agree to disagree and then carry on.
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Rob Hughes will be dusting down his cap and gown as we speak to defend Crowy in court....
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Can’t believe some of the pearl clutching comments on here 😂
Two blokes had a disagreement, slapped each other, happens every Friday night. Better it happens at a lake rather than on the streets. Both of them can handle themselves 🤷♀️
What makes it funnier is them filming each other and talking the police. What’s are the rules of omertà?
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In reply to Post #34
Clearly needed an Adam Penning signature baseball bat in his hodall...
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Seems more like handbags at dawn and a bit of bitch slapping TBH.
Someone needs to tell them that it’s supposed to be a relaxing hobby FFS!
More pathetic than anything else.
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In reply to Post #32
Looks like crowbar bit off more than he could chew having a go at this fella. And then when knowingly being filmed,sounds like a naughty schoolboy in the headmaster's office with the defence of " no I never, no I never " Lol. If this is what being a self obsessed, desperate, commercially driven carp " superstar " drives you to, then take heed all you wannabe future carp " heroes ".
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In reply to Post #26
Cant see that for some reason
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In reply to Post #29
The rematch won't be for for a while yet. Apparently Avid weren't too happy with their main man being taken to the ground so quickly. So, they have paid for Simon to undergo an intensive 3 month Brazilian Jujitsu course. If he is victorious, then Avid can once more rejoice in the glory of what a true superstar they have on their books.
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All I can hear is harry hill there's only one way to find out fight
Sounds like six of one and half a dozen of the other.
So anyone know when the rematch is on and is it
Pay per view or is it worth just going to see it ring side
Sorry lake side
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In reply to Post #27
I quite like his videos tbf - what he is like in person I don't have a clue.
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He used to be on here I think his name was crowbar. I started a thread on one of his sgite videos. He came on and tried to defend himself. Basically he’s done a video about cutting down on weight and even measuring out his milk so he could travel light. There was this video of him with a solar worldwide pod ( He was sponsored by some at the time) totally contradicted himself and couldn’t take any criticism of his video.
His latest video slagging off anglers !! The bloke comes across as a tool.
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In reply to Post #23
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In reply to Post #14
I hadn't heard anything about a swim being messed up, just a bit of fisticuffs.
Neither party admitted to throwing the first punch, which to me is all important. Even as an overweight old git, if someone throws a punch my way I guarantee I won't be turning the other cheek. I can't imagine many guys would?
I'm not sure that I can imagine Crowy (I don't know him personally) throwing the first punch with what he potentially has to lose.
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In reply to Post #21
Hi Vossy, I do understand what you’re saying and i do agree that this behaviour is embarrassing and a sad topic to discuss.
Again your opinion is as valid as my own, all of us cannot agree on everything, it would be a boring forum if we did.
But to answer your questions:
How can the best scenario be to move him to another water?
My hope is that he’ll be mindful of getting banned and would act accordingly with respect to others on a new water, as he’ll be watched and under scrutiny. I could be naive, but someone should be given a second chance.
Should fellow anglers on new water have to tip toe round him?
Definitely not, people taking liberties should be called out if they’re taking away others enjoyment. But as a caveat, he’ll be warned that any misconduct on said new lake and your ticket will be gone.
What has someones past or social status got to do with acting violently on the bank?
It doesn’t, what I was getting at in a round about way was that we all make mistakes and banning someone across all waters as you mentioned and stopping them fishing, due to one act of stupidity should not define the person. But as he is in the media of our hobby all of his dirty washing is bought to the masses. I don’t really know anything of the fella and any past disputes he may or may not have had, just that he goes fishing and obviously has some issues he needs to address.
Regards.
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In reply to Post #17
We're all entitled to our opinions, and I'm not saying yours is wrong, just commenting on what you've written.
How can the best scenario be to move him to another water?
Should fellow anglers on new water have to tip toe round him?
What has someones past or social status got to do with acting violently on the bank?
Imagine for 1 minute if Mr Crow would have tried to do that to a ex marine or para, just think what might have happened, it doesn't bare thinking about, they have pasts and control them.
I can understand the frustration with other anglers, been there myself but I chose not to react. In one instance I tried to reason with said angler but they were having none of it. I packed up and left as I knew I would react if it continued, it was too late by then and I was no longer enjoying myself and that's why I'm there.
....you can walk away even when in the right, it's a sign of strength, not weakness, and given Crow spends more time on the bank than most would it really of mattered to him?
As for his followers thinking it's a laugh as per Greekskii...are there really that many anglers out there like that, or is it just social bully mentality. If that's a reflection of how it is it saddens me. I just hope the decent anglers outnumber the not so decent.
Edit, right I'll get off my soap box now
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In reply to Post #20
Craig Mitchell.. he likes calling Anglers out on there Misdemeanours..
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In reply to Post #3
Interesting. The angler who posted this was recently interviewed on Sam Barley's podcast - The Carp Chronicles. Not that it's entirely relevant but may provide a bit of context? Just to clarify that, there was no mention of this incident as the podcast was obviously recorded a while before...
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Right ok.
I’ve never had any social media ever so haven’t seen any comments, I draw the line at an email and going on here occasionally.
That’s sad then, there’s nothing funny about getting into a fight with a fellow angler. Hopefully, his employers will pull him aside and hold him to account.
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In reply to Post #17
Just have to check his Facebook posts to see he thinks it’s a laugh. As do his followers.
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I think banning him from the fishery for this conduct would be fair. But from every fishery in the country is a bit extreme for me. Let’s be real the majority of carpers are working men who have been in their fair share of scrapes and troubles no doubt in some form. Fisheries would be half empty if we took a deep dive in to peoples past.
People can change and better themselves, hopefully this will be Simon’s wake up call, to be a better person moving forward and get some help.
To add, I’m not condoning any violence of any kind. It’s mindless nonsense that has no place in our hobby.
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Sadly this appears to be what happens when you spend your life on the bank full time whilst seeing your fishing and attached sponsorship deals as completely essential to your existence.
I’d love to see a “professional” angler (pains me to write that) who is relatively normal. A lifetime sat in the cold and wet chasing fish seven days a week isn’t conducive with a normal outlook on life and top-of-the-tree social skills. Don’t fall for the hype kids!
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In reply to Post #14
The guy is an utter bellend,im glad the guy called him out for stroke pulling.He does it everywhere he goes hence why hes been kicked off waters before.I hope avid drop him and he he is banned
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In reply to Post #12
That's terrible to read Andy,
I don't care if there are 2 sides to this, or that there may be other things we don't know about.
He should be banned from every fishery in the country and his sposorship dropped That should only be changed once he can prove he's addressed his anger issues, just imagine if the angler on the receiving end had had a heart attack.
If he can't handle the social media comments he shouldn't put himself in that position, his sponsors shouldn't put him in that social position, again, imagine him lamping someone at the big one for saying something, honestly did he expect anything less in todays society.
And if it's because he's been outed for breaking rules...well what a great ambassador for the sport he is.
EDIT, and yes I might be a bit old fashioned in my views but only by acceptance can this ever be considered o.k, and it's not, end of.
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That’s crazy. But like what has been said earlier there are always two sides to a story. Everyone has their breaking point. Not a good advert for the younger kids thinking that violence on the bank is an acceptable practice. We go fishing to escape that kind of mentality. I don’t know Simon but I bet he’s regretting that decision now, seeing he earns an income from fishing, not a good look for his sponsors.
The guy should have probably said any issues he had to his face perhaps, rather than on the internet. A lot of successful anglers are stroke pullers, no doubt.
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In reply to Post #11
It's true
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In reply to Post #1
If true
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In reply to Post #9
Somehow missed that!
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In reply to Post #8
Post 3.
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In reply to Post #7
Boring if there’s no link
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In reply to Post #6
Apparently the fella made a few comments on Crowys YouTube channel about the strokes he was pulling on the water they were fishing. Crowy obviously didn't agree with them..
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In reply to Post #5
Getting into fisticuffs over fishing FFS ? Could be more to it than we yet know, who knows ? To be honest though the inside of that bivvy looks like mine and that's on a good night Lol.
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In reply to Post #3
That’s fairly horrific.
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In reply to Post #2
Tbf he is good mates with Rob Hughes who is an utter, utter n*b so I'm not that surprised
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In reply to Post #1
I’ve heard some not very nice things about mr crow
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