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In reply to Post #61
The Carving from there has gone into one of the lakes I fish. Stunning fish and even better that the lake got it instead of RH
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In reply to Post #61
That was my thoughts also, has been drained and netted recently as part of that process so would make sense.
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You see what’s happened here, same as most as parts of the pastime, it’s becoming acceptable, it’s dominated be greed, self gain and self promotion, that’s where carp fishing all went wrong when people realised they could make a killing from it or be “famous” 
Let the muppets get on with it, ultimately it’s where your passion sits, they can have it for me, it’s become a whorehouse of publicity, greed and utter bull**** 
Find somewhere quite and enjoy your fishing 
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In reply to Post #37
RH doing this completely shifts the window of what we consider normal. Grenville is considered one of the best carp lakes in the UK. Because by comparison to RH lakes it's completely natural.
RH behavior affects every single lake in the UK. What's the difference really between growing carp in a stock pond to 50lb on pellet, and growing a carp in the lake on pellet? One of them is just a bit faster, same result.
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In reply to Post #1
The sooner they die the better, then hopefully people will start to join the dots.
Sorry, but it's no different to sticking a bright white bunny rabbit in the local woods.
People lost their marbles when Darenth were stocking foreign fish into historic waters, yet nowadays the masses don't care because the ethics aren't there.
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In reply to Post #43
Possibly Llyn Cae TyNant mate. They announced they.were closing at the end of last year and selling the fish. Some real stunners there too.
Who knows?! But that sounds logical from the timing.
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Euro aqua on English shores
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My take on it is, this is obviously a very wealthy guy who has the money to invest in buying up waters and growing on these freakish pets in tanks. Stating the obvious, but he’s trying to make his venues stand out from the other day ticket fisheries to claw the money in. Which no doubt must be working for him. As I can’t see a lake stuffed full of smaller carp being that desirable for the average day ticket carper.
Morally it’s all wrong, but until there is some kind of clear line set from the EA or another body, this practice is only going to continue. In a world where people want instant gratification I believe these types of venues are only going to increase in popularity. All we can do perhaps is lobby to the EA, that it’s inhumane to grow a fish of this size and dump it in a lake to fend for itself, that and the decreased life expectancy of these fish. But at the end of the day we ourselves put a hook into a living creatures mouth and pull it in. No matter what nets/mats antiseptic we use. We are still taking something out of its natural environment. So how far do you take it. We are hunters to a degree in our own right.
Or just simply enjoy your own fishing and vote with your wallet and never give the man or venues like it a pound of your hard earned and carry on and do your thing and most of all enjoy it.
I wouldn’t look down my nose at people wanting to experience fishing places like this, they just need to accept that by and large their captures to the vast majority of carpers wouldn’t really mean a lot.
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In reply to Post #46
I look at it from one side of the fence.
My suggestion is a set of stocks at the side of said water for anybody fishing for bragging rights and an immoral record chance, get them in there, 10p for a wet sponge or 50p for a frozen one 
TBH I could give a **** if he grew a 300lb carp 💩
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I look at this from both sides of the fence
The pros and cons of these fisheries
I like fishing natural venues my lake of choice for the last 10 years has been a 60 acre 1 bank only days only water with a close season march-may it took me 3 seasons to catch a fish nothing big in there with a low 30 being the biggest the rest are just mid twenty’s and doubles
But I will visit day ticket venues for a bend when I need a bite but I couldn’t live there tried it once and it ruined my fishing to the point I never went for about 2 yrs but that’s me
Rob hales has seen a gap in the market and is filling it and I gaurentee it will be full week in week out (with some of here)
For me he is also running a scientific experiment he is trying to find away of growing carp bigger and quicker than anyone else he is investing time and money into this he is a businessman he has us debating this on an open forum the publicity he wants and needs he has also come up with away of getting 50lb fish in half the time of another fish farmer big rig proved he hasn’t quite got it right yet died young but maybe the Hot tub fish will last longer fingers crossed it does for the fishes sake
This has been happening for years breeding fish to be bigger crossing dintons with horseshoe fish the black mirror not forgetting the lennys ect
Simmo produced imo the first of these ready available big fish which come with a short life span shorter than a Redmire fish
The problem I have with Rob doing this is he publicly airing his experiments for all to see and praise or criticise
He is revamping forgotten neglected lakes at a cost to some it is I’m afraid the way of life
He is feeding the instant angler he is in a strange way growing the hobby
I admire what he’s doing with patshall from a business point of view and scientific research for me that’s what it is yes it is also for profit but he is helping carping imo
I also don’t like the freak fish show
I hate fishing lakes with Bivvys so close it looks like Glastonbury where you have to book a peg weeks in advance with no watercraft involved
Using a bait i don’t want to use because it’s site specific
I pay my money and most probably will never go preferring peace and quiet and more natural lakes even urban park lakes over these Comercial venues
They will never threaten British records no more
Go and do your fishing for u and u only and enjoy what time you have
If you don’t like it find something u do life is to short
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In reply to Post #43
I've no idea Dave, more concerned re the lack of comment re the Mussels but hey ho...Carp at all costs, never mind the 'bigger picture' at what I consider a historic site.
The conversion of the boat houses, nice, but I'm thinking bats and swallows never mind romantic retreat, though if the latter allows for inclusion then fair enough.
Guess I'm cut from a 'different cloth', proud to ruffle feathers if that's the case.
If anyone has a syndi that shares those views pls get in touch, size of Carp not important.
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The three fish that he stocked "from a Welsh water" were very nice, clean mouths too.
I wonder where they came from 
Any info, pm if preferred 
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In reply to Post #33
This hits the nail perfectly on the head for me. I have heard the “not my cup of tea but I’ll let others do what they want” argument so often recently and find it ridiculous and, actually, a lot of the time it’s spouted by sponsored anglers who keep shuttum in order to keep the peace and to avoid their worst nightmare, discouraging customers and therefore lowering sales.
Carp fishing as a sport/hobby doesn’t have a regulatory body and so it’s up to us as the rank and file anglers to enforce the rules/boundaries/morals. What Rob Hales is doing is so far from the spirit and beliefs that carp fishing emerged with in the formative years of the sport and is going a massive way, in my opinion, in degrading the integrity of the past time. Aside from maintaining the standards and spirit previously spoken about, what a superb argument raising a fish in a heated tank to be then shoved into a lake to be caught by morons with GPS guided boats with more technology than is currently on display in the Iranian conflict really is.
Back to the whole “live and let live” argument around dodgy angling practices, it appears to me to be a similar situation to, hypothetically, if someone up your road was firing up a loud generator all hours of the day, blasting a shotgun at pigeons in their back garden and letting their dog crap all over the road. Would most people stand by and say “ah well it’s not what I’d do but I’ll let them live their life”? Of course not, they would take action by calling out and criticising the practices that are plaguing the majority of the residents and reducing their quality of life.
It makes me think of how 10/15 years ago Facebook/various forums were full of interactions that went a long way towards maintaining the integrity of the sport. Obviously I’m not endorsing full blown personality attacks/ bullying but it certainly felt like labelling things as “noddy” or having people speak their mind most definitely lead to my development as a young angler where I attempted to “do the right thing”, stay on the right side of more experienced anglers and their standards of expected behaviour and aspire to the higher echelons of our sport (not that I ever got there ha ha). Nowadays, the current climate seems to be full of people buying £3000 bait boats before they can cast 80 yards, being worried about what diesel generator they’re going to use to survive a 3 degree night in November and how they will go about getting a bait deal after catching some 75lber from the Monument on a ready tied Ronnie rig, without any of it being called out or criticised.
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You don't have to click if you don't like it.
Below is the link released tonight of The Patshull Park Project 2. The work they're putting in and 11 minutes in, stocking of 3 big none RH fish from a Welsh fish breeder. One thing I did think, surely there are fresh water mussels in there re skimming silt?
LINKY POO™ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXZgyLmLAb8
EDIT, and that tree, what a stunning place that'll be to fish with those mature surroundings!
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In reply to Post #37
My issue is that the fish are going from a heated pond with food falling on their head every hour. They have now been moved to a lake which is not heated and have to find food themselves.
Sticking fish from a normal carp farm is fine as they are grown up with water temps which go up and down and have some natural instincts.
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In reply to Post #37
My line is probably a good few yards before rearing in heating swimming pools up to over 60lb whilst feeding them 12 months a year.
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They stock forced on large tank raised trout in Avington Trout Fishery and people have been fishing there for years.
So i guess there is going to be a demand for Carp raised in a similar manner.
Each to their own, but i choose to fish venues for the environment and peace and quiet. Gave up caring about the maximum size of fish in a lake or river years ago.
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Interesting reading the opposing points of view as a neutral - I'm unlikely to ever fish all RH water so don't really have any strong opinions and don't view it too differently to going to France to catch some lumps.
For those firmly against it - where do you draw the line with fish stocking? I.e. is stocking a 30 ok, but not a 50? Or is it the fact that it's bigger than other fish in the lake/country?
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This type of water never interests me and never will I love to fish the canals and public waters as for me they are more challenging than a hand reared hippo and then charge stupid money to fish for them and then if you catch a 70 from there where would you go then,my pb carp of 32lb from my local was gradually built up through hard work and determination and passion for the sport I love so much,you would probably lose interest in carp fishing,I was bought up fishing for roach and gudgeon etc and then got hooked on the mysteries of carp and tales of uncaught or uncatchable giant fish,this is greed taking over carp fishing and he knows there will always be idiots(a fool and his money are easily parted) who will pay stupid money just to say they had caught a 50/60/70 carp and to them they don’t care if it was hand reared and then put in at that weight.
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In reply to Post #33
Sounds a bit like Euro Aqua.
That's considered a bit of a whore house in central Europe.
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In reply to Post #1
What are they called, Cockle and Mussel
I don't give a **** what he does, carpfishing has just become a total mess
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I hate everything about it. I have absolutely nothing good to say and no amount of excuses as I believe it devalues on of my true loves.
It’s not one of those ‘not my cup of tea but good luck’ for me. Throwing bloated pigs into a lake that I have no intention of attending (I will avoid the word fishing) shouldn’t bother me but it does.
If I was a cyclist and trained for years to do a 80 mile ride and someone else does it on an electric bike but still claims to have cycled the same distance is that right?
When I go to Disney land it’s make believe that’s what people want - they haven’t really had a sword fight with Peter Pan, they can’t seriously tell people they have driven a de lorean at 259 miles an hour, it’s harmless fun.
What RH has done devalues the sport for me. A water that any idiot could rock up and bag a few 50s and a 70 - pellet fed pigs put out for slaughter. A freakish experiment. Let’s say’s it’s a monumental (npi) success - to such an extent that every fishery needs a 60 or 70 to make a buck. What happens then? It’s then encroaches on everyone’s angling. Even if we find a bit of untouched heaven, the sport will be tarnished, the antis will have a field day. It will be like some of the pheasant shoots, where you dump a few hundred in the day before and let the rich feel like hunters.
Back in the day - they tried to bring over lumps stolen from France - or pillaged great waters in the uk to get fish for their price Essex garden ponds, now you can buy off the shelf - legally by some loon who thinks creating a tropical climate for a year or two - filling them with food by hand and then lobbing them in a lake to be fished for is sustainable and ecologically sound.
Yes my 20, 30 or 40 will mean the same to me, but it will be in a world where people say ‘what about that lake in the papers that has massive fish do you go there’. —- no I don’t, I do a different kind of fishing to that of some idiots who have tried to dominate high weight carp, monetise everything and nationally devalued my pastime.
I have no room or interest in any counter arguments- I just hope that all of angling turns against him and he starts to breed 6ft, 450lb daushounds - I’d love to see those short leg beasts dominate cruffs
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Rob hales has in the past tried to buy x2 different venues I was fishing at the time one was in 2010 and an one in 2015, both are owned by farmers (who are not short of a few quid), one of the venues he came back three times telling the owner to basically name his price, at the time the syndicate lads very very uneasy as we all know money talks, thankfully the owner told rob where to go as his family had owned the land for three generations and he found mr hales very pushy, I’ve also seen mr hales in a tackle shop and the way he spoke to the young lad behind the counter was poor, he comes across as an entitled knob to be honest and you would never see me fishing any of his waters
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He did it to the Mere, a stunning old venue. Now filled with munters for a rich man’s pleasure.
The lads lost out on that lake as I had mates who were part of it. He sent the builders in while these lads were enjoying there last few sessions. Digging up the roads and making disturbance.
He’s a full on helmet. Making anglers use his own overpriced bait to add to insult.
Anybody who thinks this is the way to do things is crazy.
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In reply to Post #11
The anglers aren't happy after the fact, didn't they take things forgranted, shouldn't they have checked and walked away when they realised it could happen before it did
Adding the cost of a solicitor to review a club membership before purchasing, search for precedents etc. could be quite restrictive. If you don’t take legal advice then it’s presumably Caveat Emptor?
And I can’t see clubs welcoming each new member’s solicitor sending in a list of questions for the club secretary to clarify helping the sport either.
At the end of the day, if someone in the sport is behaving within the law but also behaving like a $%^&, then they deserve to be called out publicly. If they truly don’t care what their peers think then (1) that is revealing in and of itself, and (2) they won’t mind whatever we post about them here!
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Just imagine that sense of personal achievement landing a just add water 70! 😂
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In reply to Post #26
Poor fish ! Plonked into a chilly lake after being hand fed in a nice warm indoor pool. May as well just create a lovely indoor pool surrounded with palm trees. electrical hook -ups and WiFi for each peg. Mr Whales could then keep a closer eye on his fat pets. Bait boats and Deeper allowed for an extra fee of course 😃.
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In reply to Post #26
Brilliant 
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In reply to Post #24
It's like going big game hunting in Woburn Safari Park!!!
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In reply to Post #19
I often have differing opinions to people, but I can respect their point of view. But I'm baffled by everything you've said in this thread.
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Another nail in the coffin. Another reason to be embarrassed to admit that you’re a carp angler.
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In reply to Post #19
Carp live to 50+. They live to 40+ years of age with ease. Being caught over & over again.
Big Rig was around 12/13 years old when it died. Only a few of those years were spent in a lake in reality. That's absolutely shocking & pretty disgusting in the scheme of what's going on, which you are desperate to defend Vossy.
One of the things that protects us from the antis is how much we revere & look after the carp that we fish for. What part of that is elitism to you? Is it anglers who dedicate themselves to catching big/old carp & do not agree with young fish being force fed in warm water tanks for some novice to go catch a 70lb carp, that's elitism to you?
Would Tiger Woods be elitist for not agreeing with a robotic golf club that allowed a 12 year old that had played golf twice, to go shoot 15- par & win the Open? Tiger Woods would call it an absolute farce & a disgrace to the game he loves. The 12 year old would call him elitist going by your standard.
I'm out.
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In reply to Post #19
You seem to be tying yourself up in knots a little bit to defend a silly point. How on earth are anglers going to know that the club or syndicate are going to sell their lake which they just paid a season ticket for? Are you Mystic Meg Vossy? You can see into the future and know what others plans are? Of course not.
I'm not sure what your point is here whatsoever. You seem to want to defend it, even when it makes you sound a little odd. You would be happy to lose your years ticket money like that? No one whatsoever would. You would absolutely feel like you'd been shafted like anyone else would. It takes NOTHING for a multi millionaire to refund a few anglers ticket money. Nothing whatsoever. It takes NOTHING for someone who just sold a lake for millions to refund a few members ticket money either. Not doing so, is just downright scandelous.
You are waiting for what, elitism? What are you going on about? Carp being grown in tanks to absolutely freak sizes (above British record), then stocked into lakes as green as grass to be clubbed like seals, that is stopping elitism in carp fishing for you is it? Okay then....
You have some VERY strange views on carp fishing & what it stands for to so many in that case Vossy.
For the record... I've been involved in lakes that got sold by clubs. The new owner sold 25 tickets out of 50 to former members of the club, just as a gesture of goodwill. The most sort after ticket in the land at the time. No one lost any money whatsoever.
Whomever is to blame, seller or the incredibly rich person buying, the poor bloody anglers are not to blame like you are implying here. That's REAL elitism at work right there.
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In reply to Post #19
How would it be the members fault,do you think the club would be transparent and tell you theyre thinking of selling up.Im not sure how a member could possibly know whats about to happen
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In reply to Post #15
That's my view on it as well. It was the responsibility of the previous owners/leaseholders to communicate this to the existing members and sort out compensation. I am sure that as with most business transactions (which this is) the contract will have explicitly covered off liabilities such as this. However, the stocking policy is different and I'm not going to get dragged into that, other than to simply say that its not my cup of tea
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In reply to Post #17
Are you actually saying that you would be happy with that? You think that situation would be your own fault?
I've already answered that, the hard reality, yes it's your own fault.
You didn't protect yourself by checking before signing up, who elses fault could that be? I'd be angry at myself, not blaming others, though I'd still be grateful for the time I'd spent on there. Life's too short to be angry at things that are out of your control, suck it up, move on 
I'm just waiting for someone to say the 70lb Carp shouldn't be appreciated for what it is, rather than what it isn't, it's not it's fault. Got to keep that eliteism going...question is how long can it go on for anyway, given that most Carp are bred for quick growth rates anyway, raised on pellets, subsidised by anglers baits, if not by the fishery itself, and most waters and brands being driven by size hungry media personalities...good luck with that 
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In reply to Post #13
Has he bought any waters that belong to clubs, or has he bought waters that the owners wanted to sell?
Did the owners sell midway through a clubs lease, or had the leases lapsed?
I can't imagine that RH would go into any purchase without knowing exactly what obligations he had, if any, to the clubs.
My guess to the above is that either the leases had lapsed, or moved to a rolling monthly arrangement pending the sale of the property.
If the clubs were mid lease I'm sure that it would have been the responsibility of the persons name on the lease to reimburse the club.
I very much doubt that RH would buy a water and just kick a leaseholder off, leaving himself open to legal action.
As for stocking 70lbers, well, they're his waters and his fish, after that it's up to anglers to decide whether they wish to angle for them. It is after all a business.
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In reply to Post #11
Quote....The anglers aren't happy after the fact, didn't they take things for granted, shouldn't they have checked and walked away when they realised it could happen before it did...isn't that most places in the U.K not just RH.
I bet you would be super happy & ecstatic Vossy, not. Think about it. If you waited to get on some lake for a few years.... Finally got your ticket, paid your (large) amount of money for your years membership... Then some multi millionaire comes along and buys the venue, instantly jogs you on. You just lost all your money...
Are you actually saying that you would be happy with that? You think that situation would be your own fault? That you should have foreseen it coming and walked away before it did happen apparently, in your own words.
Really?
It's best I do not even comment on stocked 70's. 
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In reply to Post #15
It very well could be,he could also do something for existing members
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In reply to Post #13
Isn’t that down to the owners who sold the venue to him to reimburse the members after all they are the ones who took the money from the members then sold the lake and took the money again with no compensation for the members or a deal with the new owners to honour the remainder of the members year
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I can't find the new video on YouTube, has it been taken down?
Any links please. Or was it just pictures. Only saw the pics of the "small 70" and not the other one.
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In reply to Post #11
He doesnt care what anyone thinks including the many members of clubs whos waters he has brought out and left current members out of pocket.How could anyone possibly know he is suddenly going to buy a water they are on,he did it with the mere and more recently with Patshall Park
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In reply to Post #11
I imagine you don't have the funding of the telly tubbies to hand either?
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In reply to Post #9
now also buying waters and current members lose money as he doesnt honour their membership or reimburse them for money they've lost
The anglers aren't happy after the fact, didn't they take things forgranted, shouldn't they have checked and walked away when they realised it could happen before it did...isn't that most places in the U.K not just RH
Do I blame RH for acting like a bussinessman...no...would I do what he did, no, then again he'd probably be more successful than me 
Edit, 1 things for sure, he wont care what either of us think
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In reply to Post #1
Not for me, but if that's what floats your boat, good luck to you.
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In reply to Post #3
Surely you dont think what he is doing is right,now also buying waters and current members lose money as he doesnt honour their membership or reimburse them for money they've lost
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In reply to Post #7
I'd expect some weight loss after stocking...then again the way they supplement the feed who knows! I guess they'll have been aclimatising it for weeks, bringing the temps down to match the lake prior to release.
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In reply to Post #5
belly up or big weightloss within weeks i'd imagine
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So would it have been carrying that spawn for nearly 12 months, I thought they would somehow dump it eventually or snuff it?
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In reply to Post #4
Not being familiar to warm water raising of fish, I wonder how the fish know when the cycles are re spawning, or does it just naturally click into routine when exposed to seasonal weather...hmm
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Apparently one is looking very spawnbound 
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In reply to Post #1
Looking forward to it, and seeing those fish 😎
I can understand anglers bias, bit like big game hunters wanting wild, not bred prey.
But to look down on either is imo very poor, both fantastic living animals, just one is riduculed because of the label others put on it, so proud
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In reply to Post #1
Rather **** in my hands and clap than watch anything to do with that helmet and his lakes/fish
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just seen a video on rh fisheries saying theyve stocked 2 x 70s...madness hes growing them,albeit artificially to that weight....full video on yt tonight at 6
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