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In reply to Post #20
Yeah, the bitterness could well be counter productive. Maybe it's not so bad when included within a boilie mix and perhaps masked by some of the other ingredients. Ultimately it's down to the fish to decide whether it's acceptable or not. For decades the attraction of all the breakdown products in hydros has been a key selling point. But some of the peptides produced are actually causing bitterness. In the past, I used to put in kilos of boilies drowned in neat hydro and think " right, I'll be having ' em ! " Most of the time I'd catch very little and sometimes hear about someone rinsing the peg days later. Was it the bitterness or just sensory overload with the amount of " attraction " leaching into the swim ? Or it could just be me being a duffer 😃. Marcus, on one his podcasts recommends diluting down your hydros when using them as a bait soak , which I think is very good advice. It'll save a few bob too 😃.
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In reply to Post #19
hmm..yeah. how can i put it?
Spray dried is a better commercial product, it's easier to process, store, use.
But I don't believe ( tin hat & duck for cover) that homogenized, spray dried liver soup is necessarily a better ingredient than powdered whole liver.
edit- with afterthought It may be that the liver I used to get was a dried 'biscuit' and milled product instead of spray dried but tbh it was dark brown like the small tubs of desicated liver that you could buy to put on dog food.. 15-20-25 years ago.
I't's progress- just not in the direction I want 
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In reply to Post #19
Also, I've tasted quite a few and noticed a bitter taste in some of them.
Acidic hydrolysis.
Some of the best early hydros were non acid, didnt have that awful taste.
I think a few companies found a cheaper way to break down the proteins but the resulting bitter taste is surely counter productive?
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In reply to Post #18
You're welcome mate, just trying to help. Like I said, hydrolysed products which we use are usually produced using enzymes but the AA Baits premium liver one doesn't mention this which is why I thought that it could be an option for you. I'm assuming that it's produced by liquidising liver and then spray drying ( with hot air ) in the same way that milk powder is made. Can I ask your reason for not wanting a hydrolysed powder ? I know that sometimes it can produce a sticky mix when combined with high levels of other solubles. Also, I've tasted quite a few and noticed a bitter taste in some of them. This is obviously greatly reduced once combined with all the other ingredients within a mix.
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In reply to Post #16
thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding, assumed that hydrolysis included heat or enzymre processing 
Still not the product I'm looking for though, probably just a case of liquefied and spray dried has taken over from dried and milled.
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In reply to Post #12
I've wrote this before but it seems that it's worth repeating. This is where egg powder is your friend. You can include many different liquidised foods into your mix without drastically diluting your mix as mentioned in Beyonce's post..Like you suggest, liver, fresh fish or mussel meat, fresh squid, prawns or whatever. You are basically replacing a good quantity of the water which is in the eggs with water contained within the chosen wet food when reconstituting your egg powder.
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In reply to Post #9
Give AA Baits a ring and ask him about it. It's quite possible that he has just replicated the description from his other ( hydrolysed ) products in error with regards solubility. I honestly can't see powdered, cooked liver being all that soluble. And indeed, you probably will destroy your blender with some of those dried liver products available. The stuff that I tried were like chunks of milestone grit. Also, have another look at hydrolysis. For our purposes, yes water is involved, but also with enzymes or sometimes bacteria ( which produce enzymes). I know that you're not after a hydrolysed product, but I think maybe you got your wires crossed.
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In reply to Post #11
Thanks Andy 👍. If it does the job, that's all that matters. It will be an improvement on my home brew heat mat and fan combo haha.
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In reply to Post #10
Dried liver for dogs
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In reply to Post #12
Raw liver is about 75% water, you’re diluting all the good stuff.
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Why not just liquidise raw liver and then add to the eggs?
I have done in the past, very successful, but a bit stringy with the sinews and veins!
Kitchen was a proper crime scene!!!
Also done sprats, small herring, mackerel offal, etc.
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In reply to Post #7
I believe its made by HOMCOM.
Nothing special, the cheapest one I could find on either ebay or amazon.
Its also decent for drying out hookbaits on the lowest setting this time of year and I also clean it up a bit for chillis from the greenhouse etc.
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In reply to Post #9
I have seen beef liver powder on Amazon but it is very expensive.
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In reply to Post #7
cheers but it's another spray dried slurry, says highly attractive/soluable in the description.
Hydrolysis is water separation/treatment, not enzyme.
Looks like I'll be ordering a kilo of beef liver off Amazon and murdering the liquidizer
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In reply to Post #7
The beef liver that AA baits sell is the same, or very, very similar to the QBs prototype product.
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In reply to Post #6
That dessicator looks useful. What model is it please ?
Silverfish, I know you requested pork or chicken liver but I think that all the readily available ones are hydrolysed which isn't what you're after. If beef liver is acceptable, take a look at AA Baits premium beef liver powder. On the spec sheet it states that it's made from spray dried cooked beef livers. No mention of hydrolysis.There will be some solubilty due to dried blood, salts etc but nowhere hear as much as a hydrolysed product. It's only £ 22.49 a kilo too 😄. If you don't want your kitchen looking like a murder scene it's definitely worth a shout.
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In reply to Post #5
Like Tyto says..... You can have a crack at doing your own too if you are up for a mess around.
I used to do this for the dog treats, more recently got inspired by the Chronicles podcast with Marcus Watts.
Not sure what it works out at once you've dried it all out (morrisons have beef liver fresh at £3.50/kg).... it wont' be QB baits 2006 £6.50 a kilo once its been desiccated though!
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In reply to Post #2
About 20 or so years ago I used to get dessicated liver from Quality Baits and it was a brilliant ingredient. It seems now though that it's been replaced with the protolised liver which you've mentioned.
yes, that was where I bought it from, 13-14 years ago now. bought some protolysed with it on my last order ( binned the last of it in the shed clearout - solidified lump).
Would go sticky if the bag was opened on a damp day.
When my old Springer went off her food a sprinkle of desicated would get her eating again, turned her nose up at a pinch of the proto.
Can't be doing with home dried or liquidized, takes me back to the 80s 
Ahhhh..Used to buy kilo bags of dried liver treats- £16-18 a kilo
In reply to Post #3
£65 quid a kilo doubtful if QB powder was £6.50 a kilo.
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In reply to Post #3
I’ll 2nd that - I use his powder in stick/bag mixes and the liquid on everything!
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In reply to Post #1
Have a look at Marcus Watt's MIRAGE BAITS website, currently out of stock, but a product he makes himself, produced fresh regularly. Hence it sells out often! Here's the description for you.
100% PURE BEEF LIVER POWDER
100grams £6.50
Produced inhouse from pure fresh beef livers. Lt dried & powdered
100 gr pots.
Brilliant powdered additive, soluble, high in protien and an incredible nutritional profile - all liver products are not the same - chicken liver isnt worth bothering with, lamb and pig are an ok 2nd best but ox liver is the king of them all.
use in boilies at any level from 5-10gr / 500gr base mix, use as a coating dust on hookbaits, in stick mixes or sprinkled into particle mixes for a massive boost
** EDIT ** AA Baits also worth a look - they have a Premium Beef Liver powder (Food Grade)
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In reply to Post #1
About 20 or so years ago I used to get dessicated liver from Quality Baits and it was a brilliant ingredient. It seems now though that it's been replaced with the protolised liver which you've mentioned. So, if you want to include liver in your bait without using a hydro, here are a few options.
1. Fresh liver from the supermarket. You can dessicate raw liver ( with a food dessicator ) and then grind to a powder .Or you can cook it, by either microwaving or boiling. Once cooked, dry in the oven on the lowest setting and then grind.
2. Using liquidised fresh liver. This is my favourite method which I use when reconstituting egg powder. You can get around half a kilo of liquidised liver into 5 KG of dough.
3. Harringtons Liver Dog Training Treats. OK, so not pure liver but a great ingredient nevertheless. Fortified with vitamins, minerals and seaweed. These have a moisture content of around 18 % , so it is best to dry them out before grinding. I dry them on baking trays, either on a heater or in the oven on a low setting. Be warned though, your house will stink, they really are pungent.
Hope that helps 👍
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Do any of the companies still sell desicated liver powder? Pork or chicken?
I used to make a fishmeal bait with 25g of desicated liver however it seem that everyone is selling hydrosylate and tbh I don't want highly soluable.
I vaguely recall buying some protolized liver powder 13-14 years ago and I didn't think it was worth the extra cost.
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