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In reply to Post #21
I think a SIM with a lower R rating would be good for general use but for regular cold weather trips something around 5 would be better - but agree it’s an expensive option or luxury to have both!! In terms of breathability neither memory foam nor SIMs are that breathable - makes sense for SIMs as they are designed to insulate as well as to provide a level of comfort, usually when used directly on the ground. As you say though if the bedchair mattress is made of memory foam plus other materials then it may feel cooler although generally anything fleece covered feels warm and potentially sweaty in warmer weather - guess it varies alot on the individual
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In reply to Post #10
I would think a SIM would be more comfortable in warm weather than fleece covered memory foam, especially one with a low R rating?
You wouldn't sleep directly on the memory foam or it's cover on a Carp bed though..would you...well...it'd be ruddy hard to clean it if so, it's no a good idea if you do....lol
So are we saying you'd need a sim for summer and a sim for winter with varying R rating to suite...not a very cheap option.
I spend far more time on my bedchair than anyone, and I'll tell you sims don't breath, irrespective of R rating and even with varying tog duvets on top of them you still end up sweating on the contact area between you and the bed.
As a comparison the new Flatliner I've just spent 6 days on (5cm memory foam) no sweat and minor heat build up on contact point between body and bed compared to ELS & Sim.
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In reply to Post #19
Yes,if you go on Kent Survival, Andy his name is does a trip where he is actually in the river doing a wild camp ,very good watch ..with exactly what you say
I try ,like a lot of others to look at all angles
Best I've come up with is a dpm army tarp / emergency stretcher..Avid RT light bedchair ,and a snugpak sleeping bag ,mosquito bag ,including compact water filter ..
So it was rucksack ,rod holdall ,bedchair ,tarp ,and sleeping bag including suitable roll up mat ,all proper easy for someone like me to walk across the fields over 2 miles to fish
My other minimal set ,was Carper speedflex bivvy ,quick to deploy ,rod holdall ,rucksack ,with bait food ,and waterfilter ,plus a air sucked down fortis sleeping bag and a duralight bedchair ..
Plus , stripped out barrow ,that system was great ,cept the bivvy a bit low ,but hey nothing is perfect ...
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Cot bed with tent and inner attached still under 5kg that is an awesome idea and bit of kit. Shame it does not have mud feet.
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In reply to Post #17
 .....yeah I just got there folding water bottles ,very clever ..
If they went meths ,integrated they could go ever lighter..
You can still be comfy ,whilst being fairly minimal ... but a barrow most likely will always be involved I bet ,...
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In reply to Post #16
It’s one to suggest to the guys at Jag Prolite!!
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In reply to Post #15
You can see it,some cannot !
Helinox with adjustable legs ,rolls up on yer barrow ,and a lovely waterproof coated down,crash zipped sleeping bag ..would be great ..
Really we need someone from the ultralight ,and strong camping ,n bushcraft world to shake up the stagnant industry..
It'll happen though ,but not yet ,cos most innovation is from people who don't think or do research, it's all the same Avid ,Nash ,whychwood, etc all no thought process,just go to China n book in several thousand ,of the latest 'must have ' ...
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In reply to Post #14
Yeah i was looking at the Helinox insulated cots - all it would take would be to integrate a SIM into the base of a bedchair (with the base fully fused to the frame, like some bedchairs are) I always thought Fortis could do a slightly warmer or maybe thicker additional outer layer on their Techlite then hey presto it’s decent combination down to minus 5 or so or even better still a down bag (lighter) Aqua had a go at this (Atom bed) but it wasn’t
a complete product.
Literally, excepting the memory foam, slightly improved leg mechanisms and the fusing to the frame bedchair design has barely changed since the 90’s with various marketing BS - completely flat frame etc (and then not a completely flat mattress which ruins the concept!) The original bedchairs (original KM fox) did have a flat frame!!!
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In reply to Post #10
Absolutely spot on ,you never know one tigress, or Helinox might make an adjustable bedchair ,super light ,super compact ,....just like small Helinox chairs ..cots,the American community calls those.image a 3kilo bedchair!
Tbh ,I been saying this for yrs ,a lot of angling products are complete regurgitation, around n round we go .....
There is next to zero innovation ,inspiration..who really wants to lug about a huge bedchair, I know I don't..
For a good example most carp reels seem to be black ,er,black and a bit more blak,no individuality at all,remember carp cannot see what set up we have, n all
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In reply to Post #4
Interesting, the more i hear the more I’m going off memory foam -
If it’s not super comfortable and adds alot more weight I’m not sure of the benefit?!
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In reply to Post #7
Thanks, which SIM are you using? The Tactical X has the built in pillow, can’t get on with these
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In reply to Post #8
Would make sense and have heard the same - some
mitigate this by using a sleeping bag, rather than sleep system, so laying on the bag rather than the fleece or sleeping between the bag layers. Nash do a cover for their memory foam for exactly this reason
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In reply to Post #9
I would think a SIM would be more comfortable in warm weather than fleece covered memory foam, especially one with a low R rating? The fishing industry seem to lag massively behind the outdoor industry in both beds and bags - all the info and materials are out there to make the perfect fishing bed and bag yet fishing manufacturers just seem incapable of not copying each other, which is why I guess that non fishing products are so widely used. I have very little fishing clothing (excepting Fortis) but loads of proper outdoor/mountaineering kit, simply because it outperforms in pretty much all areas.
With some thought it would be possible I think to make a fishing style bedchair and proper winter bag (not this 5 season nonsense) weighing less than 10kg, but it would need a down bag - try finding one from a fishing manufacturer!
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In reply to Post #8
Can't be any worse than when using a sim, totally unbeatable.
A decent bags wicking should help but in summer it'll be a thin bag anyway so that won't help either.
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I have heard from those who.know more than me those memory foam bedchairs ,cause a body to hella sweat in the warmer months..
In fact ol linky poo himself ,was always on about it just saying !
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In reply to Post #2
Wychwood Tacticle X whichever size suits you and a decent sim is the most comfortable way to go. Got a 10cm sim on mine which folds in the bed with my Fortis bag.
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I'm of the opinion that if you want lightweight, get a bedchair that's just big enough for your body and as light as possible. Put a decent sim on it and an inflatable pillow. A down sleeping bag. You're not going to do better than that.
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In reply to Post #1
I've got the trakker oval mf HDR and whilst its good for my dodgy back and the sleeping bag is fantastic, i don't think its supremely comfortable.
I'm 11.5 stone and i don't think i'm heavy enough for how firm the base is, with it sewn into the frame. The memory foam is ok but it absolutely needs a SIM added to it to make it remotely comfortable.
I'm really not convinced on MF on bedchairs, i just don't think its thick enough to be comfy and going any thicker than the current 50-60mm will just make the beds too heavy.
I bought an RLX 6 leg bed as well and with the SIM, its just as comfortable as the MF HDR and was half the price.
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In reply to Post #1
Good deals on the Avid’s Benchmark Ultra in both bedchair and sleep system. I'm looking at that at the moment.
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In reply to Post #1
Fox Flatliner maybe, but the system is heavy, as heavy as Solar. I've only done 6 nights on mine so far but very happy with it and love the extra width over my older Trakker ELS.
I picked my system up for a great price on Ebay from TFT, at that price I couldn't say no or procrastinate over other systems any longer...lol
I think a few folk have or are thinking of getting, the new Trakker system.
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Hi Guys,
I’m looking to replace my solar sp c-tech mk1 which I’ve found both incredibly uncomfortable and extremely cold (Solar duracore mattress had no insulating properties, good for air flow in warm weather but not cold)
The most complete memory foam system to me seems to be Avid’s Benchmark Ultra - fixes the leg issues of the prior model and in standard size, as a system its just over 16kg - heavy but not Nash or Solar heavy. I want a completely flat profile with no in built pillow nonsense - I will add my own pillow
I’ve had good feedback from users on other forums who rate both comfort and warmth but interested what folks on here think. I’m trying to avoid needing a separate SIM. For reference i’m just over 11st so hoping the memory foam would be comfortable at that weight (side sleeper)
I may get the bedchair or the bedchair system, haven’t yet decided.
Feedback appreciated!
Thank you!
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