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In reply to Post #188
Those kind of expenses are well out of budget unfortunately!
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In reply to Post #187
Hi Mark.
It would be great to have you on to chat about bait etc.
Absolutely no worries if you don’t fancy it though, I’m easy 👍
PS great to read that you’re making up with people 👌
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In reply to Post #183
If ever there was an opportunity to business expense a trip to Phuket Sam.... now might be the time to pack that microphone along with the speedos and sun cream 
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This is the very last time that this is getting mentioned. I found out who it was last night. I actually feel sorry for the poor fraggle. He’s clearly not at all well in the head. His pal who is a current member of this forum should know better. One sells (no) hook baits although he tries, the other tried to sell hook baits and failed. One has terrorised this forum for absolutely donkeys years, long, long before I was ever a member. Chatting with himself under various users he controlled and the like. Crazy stuff like that. I'm even told he actually hacked this place once. He’s clearly a bit obsessed about me now, as well as this forum.
I’m actually so glad this has happened now. Not only have I built bridges with Sam Barley, I’ve also had the most incredibly nice messages from so many other people who have tried to help, even people I did not think that would ever happen with. Honestly I thank you all. Some of you knew who it was long before me. Even me and Wayne have rebuilt bridges because of all this. I know my worst faults & can freely admit them, because I am not an absolute mentalist like the person doing this. I use the word mentalist to pay homage to Alan Partridge.... This idiot is a real life Alan Partridge. It’s about pure jealousy and nothing else why all this started. To anyone else I fell out with previously because of these idiots, get in touch, hand shakes are easy between real men. Life really is to short for this crap.
To The Shapeshifter With His Ticks And His Soppy Little Pal. Forget All The Other Sick Terrible Stuff You Have Been Up Too.... You Stepped Over A Monster Line With My Terminally Ill Mother. I Really Do Wish You Both The Best Of Luck In The Future. Take Care. XX
Sam, I am doing your bait podcast if that’s what you want. To talk about bait, not trolls or the idiots trying to rip us off like this sausage. Forget what was said yesterday. I’m also going to go out of my way to blow this forum right up as much as I possibly can & bring as many anglers as I can here in 2026. This forum is getting mentioned by me anywhere & everywhere.
I work the most stupid long hours in the UK. I'm not looking for any sympathy, I earn a lot of money from it, but I really need a break, not this crap. I am off to enjoy the rest of my holiday with my wife. No more attention for the absolute fraggles.
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Do I look bothered? Honestly? 
Sam, thanks honestly, but it's likely for the best for you if you are not involved. It was you who showed me this stuff for the very first time. Karl & DNA Jason both did not want to ruin my holiday by even mentioning it. Because it's just so pathetic on another level. This always happens when I'm away now, for my attention. I don't need to do the podcast mate. I have many ways of getting the message out there that don't involve other people selling carp bait. You sell ingredients to some of my ex customers who now suddenly have hook bait companies blatantly trying to rip off our garlics. That's not your fault whatsoever. But it's likely for the best that you are not involved for that reason. I am not looking to cause problems for you, or anyone. These people are, out of pure & utter jealousy. It reeks from every word that they ever say. Always banging on every time about the 'good' & the 'knowledgable' members who have been banned or 'dumped' from here. Boo hoo. "Dry your eyes mate".... That's them chatting about themselves. It goes from 'I', to 'we', it's clearly someone who is not very stable in the head & full of conspiracy theories about everything as Karl pointed out. Signing as "A" is them trying to be 'Anonymous' for carp fishing. The ones everybody has seen for years on this very forum with the mad/crazy conspiracy theories about EVERYTHING. Now it's about this forum & why they are not allowed to post here, like it's my fault they all went out of business. They have no other platforms or reach. That's why they are all over your podcast stuff. That's why they are all over this forum & can NEVER leave. It's their only outlet to the carp world really. They are as obsessive about this place, as they are about me for those reasons. They were long obsessed with this place before I was ever here. It's all good. We built our bridges Sam, which is great mate. I am not looking to mediate with these people whatsoever. They have been stalking/terrorising me for years online now, only via this forum. It's likely best I walk away. As mentioned earlier, Karl can't even let new members in now. They are now having an effect on him too. I'm so glad his numbers are well up, all I have ever tried to do is bring anglers to this forum for him & the forum. Nothing else. We have a stupid reach on other social media platforms where these blokes can't do what they do. I just like the forum, that's all.
I did not ever turn up here with groups of my pals to terrorise anyone. It was slightly offensive to me personally when the folks doing this and telling me that I did not know what I'm talking about fished for 10lbers. The reality is these blokes have been trying to have businesses in fishing bait for absolutely donkeys years, but it's never worked for them. To a man. Some even wanted me to make hook baits for their first bait company. How that then turned into them coming here en masse from that 'black forum' to start as much trouble as possible when we released the garlics is beyond me. They were telling everyone that the garlics we were releasing were a load of rubbish. That's their 'opposing' opinions they chat about. While at the same time wanting to start a second bait firm. The sands of time have proved how wrong that they were about our garlics. You know very personally how wrong they are too regarding those. Every time people on this forum big up our garlics.... Imagine how that makes these blokes who are constantly watching feel? Bottom line is... These people are upset that so many people on this forum use my hook baits. They are upset by the members of this forum catching so many fish on them. That's the bottom line. This forum is a much loved drop in the ocean, they just cannot comprehend that. It's the people saying nice things to me which kills them. They crave that for themselves. But people laughed at them when the bottles were all blowing up in folks faces. People who purchased the stuff mugged them off. So when they see the same people all making lovely comments to me, it literally fries these blokes brains.
Anyway, sod all that. It's boring and so pathetic.
I managed to pick up 12 of these trays up in the UK two years ago. They fit into our driers so perfectly. To the cm. They just fit & work so perfectly. I could not source anymore in the UK, even via Temu etc, slightly different sizes which would not work for us in the driers. 32 have just been delivered here to our hotel, 4 packs of what you see here below. I’m paying for an extra 25kg suitcase to get them back to the UK.
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In reply to Post #183
Just see Mark's post on Facebook. I am looking forward to the podcast!. Will be a gooden, ps excellent job on the Marcus ones.
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In reply to Post #183
It is petty mate.
Apologies you got involved in the email Sam, but as I pointed out I wasn’t starting any of the posts/emails/whatever. I just replied that once to set the record straight.
I shouldn’t be churlish, but when I’m being accused of things I haven’t done I think it’s a minor retaliation….ill go back to ignoring it all 
Just to bring things back on track (bait / SHB) I went fishing Boxing Day evening and the next day. Lake was still fishing hard but I managed to get in the swim where I hoped the fish would be and managed 3 to everyone else’s zero.
First fish I never weighed, an upper double I’d guess, came on a cork chip GPB1/Curry.
Next fish 30lb 15oz Common (PPPP cork chip) and then a few hours after that as I packed up I had a 31lb 14oz Common (GPB1/Curry cork chip on a Ronnie again)
My mate says it’s the first brace of 30+ Commons from the syndicate, hence still bragging
Ronnie’s were fished over a sprinkling of 12mm DNA Bug freezer bait.
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In reply to Post #182
I did email him asking him to remove my stuff from Substack as I didn’t want to get dragged in to it, I think that’s why he emailed you and said to leave me out of it.
At the time I thought you thought it was me as you sent the email to me! I now realise it was just because I was CC’d in to it.
Jeez, as I type this I am cringing. This is all so petty.
Come on fellas, we are all anglers and should be on the same team.
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In reply to Post #180
The hilarious thing about this (to me) is that Timmy Troll (working title) emailed Sam and cc’d me in on it.
I then replied-to-all so that Sam would see me debunk the BS that Timmy Troll was claiming.
Then Timmy nice but Dimmy emailed me saying to leave Sam out of it!
Absolute retard, he didn’t realise it was him who involved Sam with his spamming emails (which 2 other bait companies forwarded to me to let me know they had an idiot spamming them)
I didn’t bother replying as I still waiting for a legal letter for the BS he claims is going on.
He can read it here now…I know the wannabes are all watching, because I’m watching them watching 
So to summarise:
The troll’s ego is writing cheques their brain can’t cash…
Sam is a decent bloke and always has been…
I’m just stuck in the middle ignoring all the BS as there is no proof of any supposed wrong doing — because I haven’t done anything wrong!
Oh and Google Analytics reports page and user stats up 19% and 18% respectively, so thanks for the traffic!
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In reply to Post #180
Well I was really hoping I wouldn’t get dragged in to all this, but here I am! Probably due to my own naivety.
I am all for free speech but I think it this conflict needs to either be forgotten about by everyone or talked out properly and put to bed. Either way it’s not good for anyone for it to continue.
I think it’s worth saying that Mark came to me and apologised before this all kicked off, and has seemed extremely sincere in doing so. He has shown me a few things since apologising to me that have genuinely opened my eyes to the hassle he has had over the years, a lot of it is quite unbelievable. I have to be honest, and I know Mark won’t want me to say this, but I do feel sorry for him. That being said, he definitely has his moments and we all know he can fly off the handle unexpectedly 😂, and I’m sure he would agree with that.
In the interest of balance and transparency I will post my reply to email Mark shared with you below-
Good evening “A”.
I appreciate your concerns and what you’re trying to do. I felt a similar way when I had the friction with Mark.
If I were to do a podcast I would ideally want it to be purely about Marks angling stories and maybe his ideas on bait if he’s open to talking about them.
However, I am a big believer in free, non-edited speech. I imagine he wants to come on and get some things off of his chest. I am open to that too, as long as no specific names are mentioned as it’s not fair if they aren’t there to defend themselves.
If Mark does want to go down the route of talking about his conflicts then I think it’s only right I take the role of mediator (for want of a better phrase) and try to balance things up with apposing views and playing devils advocate.
Maybe I’m naive, but maybe talking it through would help all party’s see things in a better light and ease the tension.
In the interests of transparency and keeping in-line with my idea of having everything balanced and even I will send Mark a copy of this email. I have also sent him a copy of the initial email you sent me so he can see the concerns. I assume you’re all ok with that as you’ve remained anonymous.
Thanks for reaching out,
Sam Barley
OptiBaits
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If I am forced to walk away from this place, this email below sent to Sam Barley today & what these blokes are doing will be exactly the reason why.
Me & Sam Barley resolved our issues with no mention from Karl of emails, or what was going on regarding here with these trolls. These people created this between me & Sam in the first place on this forum. They were here under fake profiles for over a year, first making out they were unhappy customers until they finally went crazy. All about my mum. That was four years ago or more now. Real nasty stuff. I have no power to ban anyone. Never have had that power or influence, never want it either. You lot got banned for whatever it is you all do, over & over again. Long before I was ever here. I've been on holiday in paradise. I've not looked at any of it whatsoever.
These people do not want me to speak to you lot in public. Ask yourself why that is. They are also very long obsessed with this forum. Clearly involved in bait. What upsets these blokes more than anything, is you all saying nice things to me. It's always been the same. You lot saying what you have below in the last 24 hours, has prompted this email below. Every time I start to leave this thread to speak to the normal forum members in other threads when it all dies down, they will appear like flies. It's now been going on for a few years. But since things have really blown up for us regarding the shops, it's just got out of hand to a whole new level. This is only being driven by pure jealousy. It's the worst human trait that there is. We actually launched our Garlics when i was a member of this forum. I was absolutely terrorised by groups of blokes trying to sell enzyme liquid. Groups of them. I responded by posting more photos of big carp caught by anglers on our hook baits than any of them could ever even contemplate. From the best venues in the UK. They all got banned, came back under numerous fake profiles saying they were going to destroy me & my business. The better we are seen to be doing, the more they all get upset now. Only on this forum, where they can remain anonymous. That alone speaks volumes.
You lot were NEVER any threat to us whatsoever. Only inside your own heads. You're just a small pain in arris who looks at everyone else, everyone except themselves for their own failings. It's always someone else's fault. If you have the time to be going to all this effort, over so many years now.... What exactly does this say about you? I wish I had your time. I could do productive things with that time. What exactly are you upset with anyway? The constant photos of forum members with big carp? Is that what makes me a 'messiah persona' in your words? It always seems to be people saying nice things to me that irks you so much. I do not court publicity. I never have. If I thought of myself as some 'messiah', I would court publicity. I am the complete opposite to that. I would not be doing these podcasts or this film if it was not for you lot. That's a fact. Man up girls ffs. This is absolutely pathetic. Making fake profiles over and over again to create as much trouble as you can constantly on this forum, speaks so much about your mental health. It's clearly not good, is it?
To everyone else. The forum can't even take new members on because of what this bloke/blokes are now doing. That's where they have now got it too. Very early last year I offered Karl to pay for banner adverts, monthly.... Without having the actual banner adverts. Just to help with this place. The forum boss did not need it. But the offer was there. He gets a few tubs of pop ups off me whenever he needs them. That brings me absolutely zero influence. DNA are doing something similar, out of a love for the forum and nothing else. Other people can only take, take, take.
I will walk away from this place in a flash, no problem if it means that you will not destroy Karls forum for him. You can all come back, no skin off my nose... But the reality is it has zero to do with me & you would not be welcome. It was not me who banned you all numerous times. You were all being banned long before I ever joined this place. This bait section has always been this way, because of you lot, no one else. You are the ones constantly engineering trouble. It's always been that way.
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Some bridges have started to be rebuilt recently. Life is to short. This is me with a very special carp for me from the Ocean, Larkfield 1 in Kent, getting on for twenty years ago now. My good mate back then Terry came to take the photos for me. That’s a very young Daniel Dempsey in the photo with me, it's the very first carp that he ever saw. I only saw this photo for the very first time today. It's quite special to me personally. That young lad is well on his way to be a professional footballer now & catches big carp for fun.
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In reply to Post #177
I was listening to the baitworks podcast when I was out in my bike, they were talking about carp fishing history. Mike made the point that some of the young anglers might not even know who Terry is! That’s the problem, the ones that think the twig gob***** is some sort of angling god, and what he says is worth listening to. Unfortunately social media is the only way of going out there and showing them the light.
Look forward to hearing the podcast with Sam 🥳
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It gets better for those interested.... The trolls who are trying so hard to shut me up on here... Whilst at the exact same time we are literally getting ripped off by all & sundry... They have had the complete opposite effect on me.
Today I've also told Gary Peet that the TackleBox media cameras can come into our bait work shop this year. I've spent the past decade keeping the secrets of SHB, very secret from anyone whatsoever within carp fishing. But that is now just allowing a load of very unscrupulous people within the trade to rip off novice carp anglers en masse. Not off my back anymore.
It's really time to open up about what we do, because this hopefully discredits those who do that crap above. We are hopefully well beyond the point where this will hurt us anymore. You are not going to see it all, that would be very stupid. But you will see a hell of a lot. If you have an interest in bait, Sam's podcast or the TackleBox media film when it comes should interest you.
All of this can only happen if I can say what I want. Time for me to have my say, very publicly.
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I will do it, I promise. I will be in the UK/London far more in 2026 than the past couple of years. Making the time will be a lot easier.
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Sam,please hold Mark to his promise of doing a podcast with you! It will certainly be well worth a listen.
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In reply to Post #169
Thanks Mark. Fair play to you for putting your hands up and apologising, I certainly didn’t expect you to come on here and do it publicly but it’s decent of you and I really do appreciate it 
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"I will 100% find the time to do his podcast"
I'd also love to listen to this.. could you post a link on here once it's done 👍
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In reply to Post #169
Well said
Sam's a nice bloke - in it for the right reasons.
Make sure you've got something nice and strong for your tipple of the episode - should be a cracker
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In reply to Post #170
I agree!
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In reply to Post #169
That would be a MUST listen!
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It's clearly about time for me to have my personal say on what's going on in carp fishing/bait 2026. Very publicly so.
I very recently apologised to Sam Barley of Optibaits for our fallout on here. Poor Sam got dragged into a load of troll **** that was nothing whatsoever to do with him. My problems online are ALWAYS with divs involved in carp bait who want what we have. Pure & simple. You only need to look around at all of the companies apparently 'curing', 'culturing' hook baits, e books about how to do it, all absolutely full of ****. I was so very wrong about Sam. The divs who were here at the same time were absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with him. They just commented a lot on his socials. I put 2 + 2 together & came up with 5. When you are wrong about something, you put your hands up & you apologise. I already said my sorry's to Sam very personally. He don't know I'm writing this.
I will 100% find the time to do his podcast this year. He does not know that yet either. I know he still wants me to do it. I will 100% do it for him this year. There might be a few fireworks though
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You're welcome Scott. I hope you all had an absolutely fantastic Christmas and new year with your loved ones.
TackleBox Liam, 40lb10oz. A December PB for the lad. Next time you are in the Box, give him a pat on the back. That's a special common too. Well done Liam. Fizz S2.
Forum member Ben, December chunk just before Xmas. Curry S2.
Forum member Ian, three December 20+, a great trip. Fizz S2.
Forum member Dean, Hutchie S2
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Just like to say a big thanks to mark for my xmas package, really above and beyond service and generosity. All the latest batch smell awesome and can't wait to get out with them... and yes those Ming gbp2's are something else
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In reply to Post #160
Loving the smell of the ming hookbaits. Now theyre a bit of me. Can't wait to try them out 😃
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In reply to Post #161
Loving your posts. Fascinating and a real eye opener. Please continue to share what you feel able to. Thanks.
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In reply to Post #154
Finally, as I'm off work due to Christmas time, I have been able to read thoroughly what you wrote the last few days.
I'd in any way opened the lid even if a little bit as you did, if I came at something that is above all that's known and make me catch I'll take to myself specially if it's my work.
Anyway, it's really an interesting and fascinating subject and something that makes us thinking and tinker about, that's for sure, as everything you wrote about baits and carp attraction in the past, I must say. Even if, some of them, when I tried, don't has worked in the water I fish. That's a really particular water indeed, where the carp seems to have their behavior and it isn't predictable in any way. I'm always in search of something that could attract carps to my hookbaits and I thank you for the last input you gave us.
Merry Christmas
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Merry Christmas Carpforum. I hope that you all have a truly wonderful day with your loved ones.
Richie with a December PB. 46+, Furzebray. Curry S2. Well done mate.
David, part of a brace of December 30's, Fizz S2 over Wraysbury McNut.
Ricci, December leather, first time using Tutti S2 over Krill crumb.
Forum member Ashley.
Is it absolutely bitter there yet? It's bloody roasting here
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In reply to Post #156
Thank you for the kind words.
I certainly do not get 100's of bots messaging our work phone referencing this forum, or things that happened on here mate.
I understand how the internet works regarding bots & you are so correct. But there's also a whole lot more real people who never post looking in as those guests than you realise. I know that, as they tell me daily in messages to our work phone. They are certainly not all bots.
We get the most incredibly kind messages to our work phone. Often they will reference this forum.
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In reply to Post #154
Those three posts were absolutely fascinating and have really made me think. Happy Christmas.
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In reply to Post #155
Loving all the articles – so interesting. Let’s face it the boilie making process is essentially the same as when Fred Wilton first came up with it 50+ years ago. I have long been amazed that the big companies, with their food scientists, have not come up with another process.
Anyone who has ever watched an underwater vid must surely realise that bright over flavoured pop ups are just a lure that carp take out of instinct. Same reason we pick up the odd pike. The fact that they are blown out almost instantly so often shows that the fish don’t like the taste. Still better for the tackle companies to blame the rig and sell a few more bits of metal to attach to the hook, or maybe I’m being too cynical?
Regarding numbers viewing CF, I’m in my 50s and pretty much every carp angler I know, young and old, looks in from time to time. Especially those I know in the bait game. Funnily enough I was a ‘lurker’ for many, many years going back to the Cemex day. I guess I’m a bit Old School about keeping a low profile. I’m pretty sure there are many out there that think that way too………….
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Most forums are dead. Places like Facebook saw to that. The only forums that I know that are still getting huge post counts are where there is an actual community - people going out and doing stuff together rather than interacting online. Last forum social I sent on was to Sandhurst in 2011 I think it was.
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One other thing. I see written on here all of the time by long standing members, that the forum is very quiet these days compared to how it used to be. Well I've seen monthly viewing figures that you lot commenting that, do not see. The individual guest viewing figures. Yeah some are likely bots and the like. But there's an absolutely vast number of people looking at this forum on a monthly basis, just as guests. Many tens of thousands. They may not want to join up & post, they could be older members, but there is a hell of a lot of people watching. You may not see them in terms of the online members, but that is not how the absolute VAST majority of people view this forum, they view it as a guest. It's not my place to say. But going on you lots comments over & over again written on here, you would be SO shocked if you knew the current monthly viewing figures.
Currently 9 members online. 525 guests. Before 7am in the UK.
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Yes that fish got an elevated taste of Strawberry that’s not really there. But it also got real liquid food signals from the actual real food itself, along with those fake attraction signals. All mixed up as they flooded out instantly from the outside of the bait. The second time that you do that process, the liquid will become more coloured than the first time. That's because the first time was almost like breaking the seal. It's when the real food item gets mixed up structurally, along with the fake attraction signal liquids that spread so well, that things really start cooking on gas. Anglers who are lucky enough to use a boat, notice the same thing over and over again whilst using our stuff…. It gets taken first… More than anything else that they have ever seen in their life. To a stupid degree. Every particle, every crumb of bait is still there. That’s because the fish are being dragged to the swim by something…. When they get there, it’s the same thing they want to have in their mouth more than anything else what brought them there in the first place. That’s exactly what your hook bait should be doing. Not trying to trick them into striking at it. Reducing the flavours themselves by reduction on the outside of the bait makes them far more powerful, it also taste enhances them by removing the stuff which you really don’t want or need. Be that PG, water, or anything else. Carp fishing is a progression. Frozen Tutti’s were THE bait back in the day. They would flood their heavy fake attractors out rapidly. The ready made versions of the exact same bait would not flood anything out. They were crap. But things progressed. Carp anglers learned that real food based baits blew them both out of the water really. The place that things did not ever progress was in the hook baits though. What is pumped out in the media constantly is akin to harking back to crap ready mades from the 90's…. Because it’s very cheap & simple to make. The profits are like nothing else. As someone who targets other peoples mistakes in my betting life to put the odds statistically in my favour. It was sooooo much easier to put the odds in my favour against the hook baits from the bait companies when we first started. They were an afterthought for them all. A good profit maker, because they cost buttons. In their heads it’s their bait which is special. The pop ups were normally just blanks doused in chemical flavours. They still are. That was so easy to vastly put the odds into my favour in terms of bites produced. The stuff I was making for myself literally pissed all over anything you could buy in the shops. They can employ as many stars as they want to sell stories. Without the actual product, it goes nowhere in the end with real anglers. It's taken me so long just to get the stuff into everyones hands. The best anglers all knew, but not everyone else. But that's the case now. Then the product does the talking. Nothing else. That's real & everlasting. I can't wait to disappear. Anyone trying to rip us off commercially, looks slightly more silly now after what you have read over the past few days. The numerous ones who sprung up telling you they were 'curing' cardboard pop ups, without ever having the first clue what we were even up to. That's just carp fishing. They are twenty five years behind, even after reading all this. I should never have had to have even publicised all this. Sadly carp fishing bait is something you can start up tomorrow. There are literally far to many companies now. There are ex moderators of this forum selling 'special' hook baits suddenly. You can order the bait & the pop ups straight from a catalogue these days. < £2kg delivered from Europe. >£1 of that is haulage. Zero knowledge whatsoever, rinsing carp fishing left right & centre. They will thin out, only the strong among them will survive. You lot should be sucking this all up, then adding your own personal spins onto it. Don’t come & broadcast them here, take those fundamentals and run with them. I have always told carp angling that the sole reason for the success of the hook baits is the process itself. It creates things that cannot be bottled up. I can sell it to you inside hook baits, but I cannot bottle it. That’s why we do not sell fake potions which would make me a stupid fortune. But it would not be real. The process itself is everything.
There has been a big jump forwards for us in the special edition S2, especially the Fizz S2 & the Curry’s. Our best ingredients now come from absolutely worldwide. I’m still learning all of the time.
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Carp anglers want the signals to remain to please their own nose. The fermentation that I am speaking of in the centre of your bait. It will have no real smell to your nose, just a subtle change to the food itself. Changes the taste massively though. Intensifies it. Exactly the same as it does in particles that you ferment. Real food signals locked inside a freezer (food) bait do not travel through the water as well as the, lets call them fake food signals that we love to drag fish to our bait with. But they are far more important when the fish gets near the bait than the fake signals. They are real, from the edible itself. You will see on underwater videos that can only be shot in daylight on lakes that are totally overstocked, that when a carp takes the cardboard pop up it normally does it at speed. It’s almost the predatory instinct that is triggered. Elevated signals, something that stands out, it’s often as if they strike at it like they would strike at fry. Long before underwater selling videos carp anglers watched all this in the edge. The particles mentioned above, they do not provoke this same ‘predatory’ type strike. Not ever. It’s a completely different thing that is not to do with colour either IMO. Sweetcorn is bright yellow. But it’s not full of artificial signals. It’s full of real food signals to the fish. You don’t see fish ’striking’ at sweetcorn. Or sweetcorn ‘blowing’. The fish know that they are all good food. When you see fish actually stay in the swim on the underwater cameras, that’s why they only want to eat the hemp, sweet corn, pellets and everything else once the actual real feeding response is triggered. That cardboard pop up has zero chance of being taken then. It provokes a snatch response, or it does not tend to work. The boillies are not being eaten either. Till last. When carp anglers want to make their free bait, full of long lasting fake attraction signals, they are actually working against their best interests. You want them yes, but not how you are employing them. Anything related to smell in a carp anglers head should be WIPED. Totally forgotten about. Anything you do that is linked to your own smell is useless. It lies to you. But we all do things which are only linked to smell. Like the cracking of an old bait open and expecting it to please our nose with smell. It sends you down fake paths because your brain is wired to the smell you pick up from the flavours we are speaking about. But the fish does not smell them in our medium, the taste is the important part in hers. You can trick that fish with elevated levels of chemical or even natural flavourings. But there had better be the real mcCoy when the fish arrives if it’s not living with 1000 others where it will eat pretty much anything. The signals you are sending out are not real. Even natural ones. They are not what the actual food itself is. What I am advocating you to do below is actually mixing up the real food signals of the food itself from your bait, the IMPORTANT stuff, with the fake attraction ones that travel a distance. That is what is happening when your liquids change to the colour of the bait. They may get sucked back in. They may seem when it’s dry again, that it is back to solid egg bound surface. It’s not. The structure has now absolutely changed. How it reacts under water has now changed. When it goes into the water the real food signals get carried around the pond with the fake ones that travel so well. When the fish arrives at source, what do you imagine he is looking for? What brought him there?
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The coating was a Jamaican spice mix that came in a big jar for the S1. I think it was used for jerk chicken. With MSG & some other stuff added by me. But it was the coating of the dry roasted peanut that was being replicated. If you look into how they apply the coating to a dry roasted peanut, it’s quite hard to find. But when you do, it’s the same way in which I told you all to hard coat your hook baits during Covid. I just told you the more industrial way to do it. But it was taken from a dry roasted peanut. Give a carp some peanuts…. It will hoover them up instantly & ingest them instantly. Give them a few dry roasted peanuts, they will play with the individual nuts. They are taking them in & out of their mouth over & over again to experience the tasty coating on the outside. They love the taste. They will eventually ingest them, but first they will play with them. This action of a carp sucking & blowing something over & over again is the whole ethos behind our hook baits.
Regarding different ways of doing what we do…. I honestly thank you. There will be great ways that you can do things for you. Same as I used to. That will not suit us now though. We already run two 45l extraction per day dehumidifiers, both with special laundry modes for drying large amounts of laundry fast. These have extra large carbon filters for air purification as well. We create a lot of moist heat and a lot of smell. The dehumidifiers are not used on the baits, but to control that. After twenty years I have exhausted every way possible of doing the process. The way we now do it, utilises warm air. That is used for reasons that are not going to get spoken about here…. As well as stuff that is. We use what we use for good reasons. The electricity bills maybe stupid now…. But the adapted heaters creating 90% of that, are more than paying for themselves lol. I love them, they are going absolutely no where. We do not need to economise, we desperately need to expand again. Two have been running in the second half of 2025. Two more have been purchased & adapted already. The electric bills are about to double again. That’s a great thing, I am not complaining. It’s stupid to have even mentioned it.
Any of the S2 options will be absolute fire in the coldest water. If you had to twist my arm up my back it would be the Hutchie S2 or the Fizz S2 personally. Ricci will tell you it’s the ScopexPineapple S2. Others will tell you that the PPPP S2 or the Curry S2 blow all of them out of the water. Older anglers who will use nothing but an original S2 will tell you different. It’s the same thing behind all of them which is making them work. The variations have the taste changed. But it’s the same stuff behind the whole package making it work.
First off, I am not a chemist or a scientist. I am not consulting anyone or any books/papers about all this stuff. So any ‘terms’ that are not correct, are from my feebleness. Whatever flavours you are using SB, you will make them so much better by ‘reducing’ them, would be the human cooking term as Scaly&Dark mentioned earlier. Even nature identical flavours all come on a chemical base to preserve them though. But if you mean you use 100% natural flavourings, fresh, then you can still make them much better than they are by utilising all that was written in the posts below. Any attraction signal, does not need to be locked up inside your bait.
That’s strictly for carp anglers pre ordained view that when they reel in they need to smell their bait still. If it does not smell anymore when they crack it open, inside the head of a carp angler it is useless. You are all thinking about a heavily chemically flavoured ball of pop up as ‘attraction’. Reel in some sweet corn, a tiger nut, a peanut, a brazil nut, a maple…. I could go on & on & on…. Reel any of them in and smell them after one hour. Your human nose will smell absolutely nothing. All of them are vastly greater than any freezer bait at attraction. They don’t work in a pre ordained way, they work in a totally natural way. The signals need to attract the fish to the food source. The food source itself then needs to tell the fish to eat it, like those particles all do. Like your freezer bait does from its main ingredients.
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In reply to Post #139
Fascinating insight, many thanks for sharing 👍
I only use natural flavours in my baits, stopped using EA’s etc a few years ago, replacing them with naturally occurring flavours, and mixed in the egg mixture or direct into the various powders making up the bait ( depending on its natural state). So my question would be based around if I followed your lead I’d need either a natural carrier or an already flavoured carrier for the flavouring? Maybe oil based?
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In reply to Post #148
Just ordered some k2 thanks for help lads
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In reply to Post #139
I found a pot of s1 and the maple /type/smell one just this week having a tidy up of the garage - good few years old now still smelt ok.
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In reply to Post #140
Yea thats a gd bait. The K2 has the liquid from the garlic and enzyme bait on the hydra K base
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In reply to Post #146
That's what I use, though I only make hookbaits nowadays, and only a couple of times a year.
Back in the 90's, when I made all my own bait, I would freeze the freebies whilst still quite moist. When thawed they would be a fairly soft bait. I certainly caught more then than I do now.
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In reply to Post #139
Re drying using heat and then applying liquids/repeating , got me thinking.
Would there be any merit using a dehumidifyer to dry the baits out?
Having used one for the last couple of winters for drying clothes its been a game changer and much cheaper than heating alternatives.
Neil.
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In reply to Post #139
Given all the available options now Mark, is there any one in particular you'd lean towards for the colder months please?
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In reply to Post #140
DGT (double garlic tuna)from abs are properly garlic infused..
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In reply to Post #138
All very interesting Thanks for the tips.
You use some heat in your process, have you tried vacuum as it will lower the temperature at which the water will evaporate off. If nothing else it will reduce your electricity cost 
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In reply to Post #139
I remember the S1's from when you released them. My own naive description was that they were coated in Doritos flavouring, so to know it was based on roasted peanuts wasn't far off 😂😂.
They were like nothing I'd seen or used before and were very decent baits too 👍
Maybe you could do an under the counter re release for anyone who's been around long enough to remember them 👌
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In reply to Post #139
Thats really nice of you, thank you for sharing that information. I am sure there will be lots of home bait makers being very appreciative of your knowlege. This is a great thread.
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In reply to Post #137
Cheers mate been looking at abs garlic and enzymes too looks good
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Regarding making a fish pick up a hook bait over and over again. Look at a dry roasted peanut. If you ever get the chance to watch a big carp with a few dry roasted peanuts… You will see a fish not instantly interested in ingesting the nut. You will watch a fish ‘play’ with them. Suck them & blow them constantly. Terry Dempsey was the first person to put me onto that phenomenon regarding fish in Johnsons Railway thirty years ago. As someone who has a very analytical way of processing stuff, this sparked the greatest interest in me. That’s a bite on a resetting rig. All that sucking & blowing to continuously sample was the key. Our original coated S1 was a play on a dry roasted peanut. The coating was a very supped up version of how dry roasted peanuts get coated. I found better ways. We jogged the S1 & all the coated hook baits on, told you how to do it yourselves... Now carp fishing bait companies sell that to you as 'active'. Nothing here got plucked out of thin air, copied from someone else. It’s been a progression that has taken half of my life. It comes from real carp anglers on the bank, fishing real venues. Not the fellas you see in the media in the main. You can fish a venue with 1000+ carp in and catch them on absolutely anything. Easy to sell a story off of that shizzle. Go fish a venue where fifty blokes are chasing one fish that comes out once every three years and you need something different. Ali would not know what that was if it came up and bit him on the arse. So when I watch these 'media fellas' trying to flog kids and novices absolute crap off the back of all of that…. You might better understand why that is pretty offensive to me. When I see old fellas selling cardboard pop ups sitting on paid for media now, cryptically claiming that know what we are doing, while sitting next to blokes who cannot even publicly admit that they use our hook baits because they get paid by other bait firms... it's offensive to me personally. It comes with the territory. Once you start being seen to be doing well. Like flies around a dog turd all ripping each other off. That's carp fishing. I'm not part of that media sect, it's the part of carp fishing that makes me feel physically sick if you want the honest truth. I often personally cringe for them all. You know, like a proper face gurning cringe of pure embarrassment.
Trust that you are about to see different bait going forwards from the bait companies. That's how it works. It's all good. It will lead to you lot buying better bait in the future I'd hope. I am sharing with you stuff I discovered donkeys years ago. I am not sharing the stuff I discovered six years ago, or three years ago since it has been my life's work. I'm not stupid.
If I had my choice, I would not even share any of this. The sheer number of sausages selling 'fake' cured stuff off our backs now has meant that I have too. The sheer number of clips of podcasts or programmes I get sent off of paid for media clearly chatting cryptically about us, or what we do by competitors. Anyone who told you they were selling 'cured' cardboard pop ups after watching us.... The whole lot... Well now you know, don't you. They were lying to you. They have read all this ten times more than you did.
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You just need to change the way you make your bait. At the moment, you take your liquids and add them to six eggs, then you add base mix. The liquids that you are adding are preserved so that they can live inside a bottle. Anti oxidants and the likes are added to flavours for example, to slow down them from oxidising. That’s why all these people selling thirty year old flavours in hook baits are selling a farce. Nouvelle Fizz or Autumn Harvest from thirty years ago is totally oxidised & now tastes like battery acid. Good luck with that. Stop trusting your human nose. How something smells is nothing, an essence.
You adding those liquids into the bait and boiling them is destroying them for starters. You adding those liquids with all the stuff to keep the liquids fresh into the bait is not the one either. Roll your freezer bait with only eggs. Nothing else. Throughly cook them. You are left with a ball of food. Zero preservative, zero liquids. Dry them. Let’s just say normally you were always adding 5ml of flavour & 2ml of sweetener pre boiling. 7ml total. Take 20ml of your flavour, add 10ml of the sweetener. You are going to dehydrate a lot of this off anyway. Put your bait in a small bucket, add the liquids, and swirl. Keep swirling them. As the liquid enters the outside of the bait, it will obviously soften. The more liquids that are added to this softened outside by your swirling, you will start to see the clear liquids you are using turn to the same colour as your bait. You are starting to create real magic. Keep swirling until they soak it all up. Even when the liquid is all sucked in, leave them in the bucket over night. The outside of the bait is now firm to the touch again. The coloured liquid is now all back inside the bait. Dry them out in front of a fan. Heat is better to dehydrate, but a fan will do. Repeat the process. As you dry them, the water from the sweetener, and the nasties from your flavours are the first things to evaporate. You don’t want them anyway. What you are left with, is just the real mcCoy. Once the, lets call them impurities are removed…. The stuff will start to crystallise (like it does under the lid) and form a crust on the outside of your bait. All mixed up with the food itself. Air can get to it all to dehydrate it. You turned your liquids from something everybody has been using for thirty years, into crack cocaine for carp. Your freezer baits are now preserved. On the outside. What you are doing will only permeate a certain distance into the bait. In the centre, you have a very unpreserved ball of pure food. Inside a protected atmosphere. It will not go off, but magic is slowly happening. Signals are being created, the first stages of food spoiling. It’s what every liquid that you can buy in a bottle is trying to mimic. Attraction in a boiled bait does not get any better. It’s utilising real food signals. The fake food signals exit the bait nigh on instantly. They will go around the pond like that lightning bolt you require. Dragging the fish to the food source. When the fish arrives at the food source, instead of finding a cardboard ball of nothingness, or a ball full of chemicals…. They find impeccable food signals.
Your bait is not going to cost you much more than it does. But you will need to treble the time it’s going to take to make your bait. You will be adding two processes onto the end.
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In reply to Post #132
Enjoyed that Mark, a lot. Bless Bob, he could talk for ages, Lovely Guy.
So to me ( I will probably be well off & wrong  ) but is it like a chef reducing over/via heat, an initially unattractive/bitter/alcohol ingredient in a sauce to produce a lovely TASTING, rich, fused, palatable, end product by denaturation.
Then repeat, in multiple layers, not locked in by the egg.
THE IMPORTANT BIT.... Without then killing that fermentation & attraction with near boiling or boiling water.
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In reply to Post #134
Need a new bait next year can't make my mind up either cell or simular with s2 Hutchie or a garlic based boilie fished with gpb2 only need 2 from my syndicate then I think I may go chase apples at blue lagoon not too sure 3 hour each way got to be in it to win it lol
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In reply to Post #133
You ever considered making boilies be mega if you did but your busy 247 as it is for good reason too 🐋
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The way that you are all taught to do things, is by elevating the levels inside the bait. 20ml per egg & the like. It’s simple. Right? The chemicals remain, at highly elevated levels. Put a slowly fermenting food based bait next to it. With all the silly chemicals removed. The taste profile enhanced beyond what you could imagine. It will out fish the other ten to one. Hook baits and free bait are two completely separate things. Carp fishing and the bait industry has them very mixed up, telling you that they need to be the same. They try to apply one, to the other. They call for totally different approaches in reality. You want your carp to want to eat your free bait with great gusto. You want your target fish to find your hook bait so irresistible, that they don’t even really want to eat it as such…. They want to sample it in their mouth over & over again. They enjoy the taste so much. That’s a bite. That’s something that will out fish the other ten to one. They do not want to sample a heavily chemically over flavoured cardboard ball over & over again. It’s a chemical lure to trick the fish to investigate, once the fish investigates and finds out it’s been tricked by sampling it…. You better hope your rig is good enough to hook that fish first time. Which they are not.... Our hook baits are real, they are not a fake 'trick' to the fish. They want to pick them up over & over again. That’s a bite. They are a highly elevated food signal, a food signal of real food breaking down. There is nothing more attractive that I have ever found for a carp. That comes from particles, not freezer baits.
People who find these things below out for themselves, they do not really need to sit in magazines, or on podcasts spouting absolute waffle consistently, whilst trying to second guess what others are up too. They do not need to flog you an expensive e book of nonsense that bores you to death. The stuff you have learned in the past two days is the tip of an iceberg. I could go on forever. I'm not going too. Carp fishing stagnated. Especially carp bait…. They are all just rinse & repeating what everyone else done before them. Often following the same mistakes. There’s no innovation. You want to think outside the box, you need to absolutely not listen to all the noise within carp fishing…Or it will ruin you. You will then discover for yourself that there are MUCH better ways of doing things than the accepted norm. I can take flavours that you love, and incorporate them into what we do. That produces a smash hit bait over night. That only comes from twenty five years of mastering the reasons why I can now even do that. You can’t just pluck that out of thin air. Even the stuff I am letting out of the bag now to counteract Ali & the like, it’s not the most important parts. I'm not stupid. I have just showed you two 'keys'. Two very important keys that unlock certain things within carp bait & provoke a certain response from the fish that we all chase. You should never blow your own trumpet. But those two things are the most revolutionary things that you ever read about carp bait in God knows how long. It does not matter who you are, or even who you think that you are. It debunks so much stuff that you get told by the experts over the years too. You read it on CarpForum, for free. Not in an advertorial, not in a book you had to purchase, not on some podcast flogging you pointless kit. You read it on CarpForum for absolutely zilch. There's an entire army of new fellas who have our products now. Most of them purchased them in November/December from the shops. The shops can't believe what is happening with what customers are catching on them. I keep telling them just wait until the Spring when they ALL go out and use them. Not the small sample who have done so far. Then you will REALLY see. Wait and watch what's about to happen in Spring 2026.
You have to strive to be different in carp fishing, especially with bait. It's the most competitive arena that there is. Everyone now wants in, or to come back if you had not noticed.... Do the same as everyone else does, you will get the same results as everyone else does. You can find your own totally original gold dust, all for yourself... But you will never find it out by listening to everyone else. It will only come from discovering it for yourself.
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So there below in the conversation with Peter, you have real food breaking down slowly within a protected, preserved mini atmosphere. A protected mini atmosphere, that is instantly broken down by placing them into water, which then really pumps out the signals. Real food based attraction, but on the next level. What manmade chemicals are all trying to replicate. Those manmade chemicals are often de cried as absolutely useless & not needed among various bait buffs. They just do not know or understand how to best utilise them is all. The liquids like, flavours and the like, are mainly made on a PG base. Propylene Glycol to be precise. It’s used as the base in all of the flavours that you know & love pretty much. Some are Glycerol, some are alcohol, but mainly PG.
Traditional bait making practices advocate that you mix these with eggs & put them inside the bait. You will be told over & over again by the same fellas who have been telling you for twenty years to add elevated amounts to an egg and make heavily flavoured pop ups, what in essence are cardboard lures. They send out a food signal, but when the fish arrives there is no real food, just a powerful chemical signal. It produces results. In a ball of nothingness, it does not matter that it will stop any fermentation from happening. There’s nothing going on inside the ball of nothingness to stop. It's barely even soluble.
Even the people who sell you the liquids, don’t really know how to get the best from them. They just understand that these things are attractive to fish. The bait producers themselves do not understand how to get the best from them. The people who have made the pop ups in the shops for all of the companies over many years, who the shops could no longer sell them anymore…. They do not understand how to get the best out of them. Bob Campbell of RD Campbell was more interested in what I do than ANYONE ever has been. The fella was not even a carp angler, he was a chemist. He could see straight off the bat that I was doing something that he did not understand with the liquids I would purchase from him. He could see it in the bait. He could see it in the results, instantly. He tried so hard to get the information from me. Trying to play ‘big carp’, with someone that lives and breathes ‘big carp’, never saw him find out. But he knew 100%. He told me enough.
When you put the stuff inside the cardboard pop up at a very elevated level. You will provoke a response. Here’s how to make the same liquid, far more palatable to a fish. On a different stratosphere, with the same exact thing. This is what Bob was desperate to find out from me back then. Remove the PG and other nasties by evaporation. Yeah you will waste some expensive flavour. But you will also get rid of the vast majority of the crap that you don't want or need. They are not attracted to the chemical base, which is basically a preservative. They are attracted to the fake food signals being given off. By increasing the levels from the outside of the bait, then drying them out…. You are in fact burning off the PG, or the ethyl alcohol base, just for for example. What you are left with, is a far more intense, palatable tasting version of the exact same liquid…. Smells the same to you. But it's not the same to the fish at all. Without all the stupid chemicals that you really do not need now. Just the good stuff that really attracts the fish.
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In reply to Post #130
Thanks 👍
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In reply to Post #128
Everything on our website is in stock Silverback. The shops are sold out, but we have full stock of all products to see us into the new year. The shops will have more stock early January. Last delivery goes in the morning before Christmas. Loads of orders went out today.
Original S2 page on our website. Crushed corks are the pop ups. Two drop down menus. Pick your colour, original brown, white or washed out pink. 13mm or 16mm. They are all you would ever need.
The original browns wash out to a very visual sandy colour, rapidly. The whites and pinks come with a stain. They wash out to a more visual colour than they come in the tub after twenty minutes in the water.
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In reply to Post #127
You’re welcome Peter. Like I said, I am being told to open up a little bit to specifically counteract people like Ali. It goes against what I personally think if I’m honest. It really offends me that in essence people like him wish to basically rip off kids & novices off of my back. It's not even about us. We cannot make the stuff fast enough. He will have no effect on us whatsoever. But he has no shame about it whatsoever. Imagine for a moment, that people within the industry even need to be discussing that in the first place. I have to now fess up to certain things about our hook baits very publicly like I did yesterday in our conversation…. Just so maybe when kids or novices hear some bloke off the TV or similar, trying to sell them ‘cured’ cardboard hook baits & ‘cured’ pellet… They have a more informed idea that he’s just having them over. No wonder he gets absolutely torn to pieces all over the comments of their social media. It’s no wonder he has never had any respect from any real carp anglers. What else do you expect when you treat carp fishing in general like absolute divs just to sell some plastic monstrosity, or now with the bait. If that Twig thing had been a success & not banned from anywhere sensible do you ever imagine you would have seen park benches, wind breaks from the beach & now cured pellet? Of course not. I don’t want to have to be speaking about Ali whatsoever. I don’t want to have to give away any of our secrets like I did yesterday. But there is zero respect from these people. They form a profile to sell stuff. Any stuff.
That’s what carp fishing has now come to pretty much. You used to have people who would bring real innovative products to the market. Now it's not about the quality of product whatsoever anymore for them, it's about forming a media profile & selling anything you want off the back of it, all out of a catalogue. Including the bait. Sent that way by all that lot. But break that down & really think about it. It's not really real. It makes me sad that the blokes in the media are so openly destroying the thing we all love. The level of pure contempt that certain people have for their own customers, and the carp fishing public in general is so shocking. It makes me really sad about the thing I loved my whole life.
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In reply to Post #126
UExcuse me for being a bit dim with regard to the ordering process. I understand that there is nothing available presently. When there is availability are the baits only available from the three designated shops or can orders be made from the website too? Thanks.
Hypothetically I have a limited budget, I want a pot of pop-ups, I have no idea where to start as all the baits sound good, please recommend me a starting point?
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In reply to Post #124
Thanks for all the replies and it has certainly got me thinking about yet more things I could try if I had 25 spare hours in every day
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If you are suddenly wondering why the hell I am giving away such golden nuggets…. I’m not drunk… It’s also not my choice really 😂
I am being advised by people that I respect within the industry, that the way to stop all the sausages who are trying their hardest to rip us off… Is actually by opening up a little bit. Just a little bit. He had better be correct or I’ll kill him!
The brighter ones among you were taught how to ferment food based boiled baits earlier. Merry Christmas.🎅🏻It’s a very important part of the success of our hook baits. Always has been, always will be. Obviously there are other parts which are just as important. I made that information public earlier just to ‘open up a bit’. Hopefully that works…
“Mavis, that absolute **** is on the CarpForum again, this time he’s telling the biggest bait firms in the UK that they don’t know how to make bait properly” 🫣
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Here's another way to think about it.
Everybody makes bait, once. We go to the time & the effort to make the same bait... Six times over.
For us the real work starts, after the bait is rolled and dried. When everybody else is finished and out the door. For us that is when the real work starts.
Why do I do this? Ask yourself why I went to this effort for twenty five years. Ask yourself why anywhere I fished after I perfected the hook baits no one ever caught more than me. Not ever. It was not because I was God in carp fishing terms. I had the hook baits. I had a very big advantage over everyone else.
That is what they were made for. Not for dollar. I never saw a time when I would make bait commercially back then. They were come up with, for me. Through pure carp fishing obsession, selfish reasons.
Ask yourself why i would go to the lengths to make bait that in reality takes likely ten times longer than everyone else's bait to make? You do not do things like this without the best reasons in the world to do so. Not unless you are stupid. I'm not stupid. I maybe a ****, but i'm not stupid.
It's made me a business. I no longer make them for me. I make them for the carp fishing public in general. They still have to be made in the exact same way.
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In reply to Post #123
There are certain things that I cannot talk about here. Some of the things you would like answered fall under that category Peter. You have answered your own questions in some parts is what I will say. Heat plays a vital part in our hook baits & what I do. Not just in drying them out. Heat creates pressure, pressure is what is called for. I’ll let you into a little secret… I used to have the central heating running 24/7, 12 months of the year previously. Even in the height of summer. Massive gas bills. These days I have adapted the process and the equipment used, to give a much better finished product. It just costs me an absolute fortune in electricity to run the bait heaters. The equivalent of two tumble driers running all day, everyday, including overnight. They never stop. But without them we could never do what we do. It would be physically impossible. I used to be able to resolve just maybe twenty five tubs of hook baits at a time on a single radiator. Two radiators would be on permanently. Now I can resolve fifty KG at a time between the two adapted heaters we use. Some of your summarisation’s about what is going on when you were doing certain things during cooking are not quite on point mate. You were on the correct path. Any heat will draw the liquid ingredients from within the centre of your bait. That includes when boiling. Boiling water is getting to all but the very centre of your bait. Baits sold in a commercial sense need to be THROUGHLY cooked, or they are simply not going to last in a preserved sense. The fact remains, you are destroying most of the important liquid ingredients by your boiling. Not you in particular, EVERYONE is. Anyone who thinks they are doing things the right way will find it hard to accept that they are not. There are many ingredients that you have destroyed that you will have written off as useless & making zero difference, as they are so heat sensitive. You know what I am saying makes perfect sense, you speak about your own trials previously, and why. Well I’ve been at this specific thing for twenty plus years mate for much the same reasons. It’s my field. No matter how many millions I take off the bookies, this will always be my chosen field. Going back to your comments about what was happening when you applied the liquids afterwards. They flooded out. You speak of this like it is a bad thing? Because you have a boillie based mind (no offence). Think how a particle works. It floods out its best attraction instantly. This goes around the pond like a lightening bolt through water. Drawing the fish to the food. You want that attraction to remain inside. Who for? For you? You need those food signals to leave the bait Peter. I am not being confrontational I swear. I am just showing you that some of the things that you think, are not quite as set in stone as you might think they are Peter. Carp fishing bait has one thing major to thank me for if nothing else. The newer more gentle types of preserving bait all come from us, after we came to market. From people seeing our hook baits & having a small bit of information about what we were doing. What I am advocating you to do will preserve your baits. Add your liquids inside & boil them, it will not preserve anything. But it will slow down the magic from fermentation from happening. Do you see? If you step back & really think about it, you will see. You can preserve your baits without harsh MPG & the like, by applying your liquids afterwards to the outside. What you are describing Peter is leaving a real untainted food bait, inside of the preserved zone, in the centre of the bait. Like a ticking time bomb of goodness inside the actual bait… This is what you all strive to create with fake potions. Compare this to a Whey protein ball of absolute nothingness with a fake synthetic flavour. You understand bait. You will understand that, if nothing else. Mother Nature, she knows best. Man does things, normally out of ease for himself. The bait industry follows this ethos. When you apply your liquids to the outside of your bait, you are unlocking things that you personally will have never created before inside your own bait.
With the greatest of respect.... We should not really start to speak about toughness of venues fished.... Because there has never been any bait tested on tougher venues than our hook baits, not ever Peter.
I am not blowing away our secrets here. I am just lifting the lid, ever such a tiny little bit.
Gary Peet of the TackleBox would absolutely love to have their media team come make a film & show you all what goes on inside where we make the hook baits. He's hinted a few times. What would be the point though for us? We do not need the publicity. It would be great for you lot, and our competitors. It would be great for the TackleBox media. But what would it bring for us? Trouble.
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In reply to Post #122
Interesting idea and backed up with real results obviously. However adding some liquids pre-cook (won't say boil as some cook at >80°C - 90°C , some steam and some boil the granny out of them!) has always been a compromise to me with both the heat damage and the solubility into the cooking medium of the liquids from the surface layers.
Many years ago I put a temperature probe in the centre of a bait whilst cooking it. I had the tools to do so and was really interested in how 'hot' the inside of a bait gets. I looked it all up the other day and from memory they were 18mm baits as I don't tend to use smaller as that is what every other angler is doing. The seal on the probe was far from perfect so the results of a few repeat tests a little wider than I would expect on a 'proper' boilie being cooked. However after a circa 2 minute 'boil' the core temperature was (again from memory, my notes are buried at home) normally <60°C hence my baits have a very 'paste' type core, which is how I like them.
I concluded that whilst a %, possibly a large % as the surface area is large compared to the core, of the liquids added before boil are damaged/changed/removed but some in the core are still reasonably unaffected by the cooking stage. I also now tend to get baits of this size plenty firm enough for my use with a 60-70 second boil.
I then started to add liquids after cooking but was never convinced they were anything other than a coating on the outer layer which would wash off within minutes of hitting the water. On a commercial water with large stock this might work for you but not the types of lakes I fish. I want slower release as the fish might be half a mile away when I bait up and it could be hours before they come back this way to my pre-baited spots.
I have thought long and hard about how to draw the liquids deeper into a cooked bait for much longer release period on the water. I have tried coating whilst still warm, when very dry, whilst thawing out etc. Nothing ever really felt 'right' to me though. I have access to various vaccum systems for liquid filling products and have often thought about playing with this as an idea (vaccum, add liquid, slowly let the air back in and the liquid will be drawn in) but time is short whilst ideas are plenty so never done it yet!
Do you know from tests you have done how far your are able to draw these liquids into your pre-cooked bait? Without giving anything much away can you say anything about how you do this or will that give a big part of your process away? I am not interested in the curing process as such (that is yet another idea to explore another day) just how you are able to draw oils into a cooked bait
I don't fish much these days but I do carry and use GPB1 baits with me and have recently got a pot of one of your new creations from Fishon to try next time a venture bank side
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In reply to Post #120
I understand what I am saying here will be hard for some folks to swallow. Especially coming from me, telling you that your media hero's have it wrong. It's the most revolutionary bit of information you will read about carp bait, in a long long time. Does not matter if you made your first baits last week, or thirty years ago.
You have tested many ingredients in your freezer baits, over many many years. Often you have destroyed them. Maybe not all of them, but a vast percentage of them. All a waste of time and your money. I know that is hard to digest, or take in. That one little Christmas tip, will make your bait so much better than it ever was. If you can be bothered to keep all of your liquid ingredients away from boiling water or steam, you will make the exact same bait, using the exact same ingredients FAR more effective than you have ever made it before.
Most of you do not understand the full force of any of the liquid ingredients that you are using in your baits, because you boil them and **** them all up first. Forget that you can still smell it, that means **** all in the greater scheme of things.
It's confirmation bias on the grandest scale. That's how you make bait. Right? Liquid to egg, add base mix.... Well I'm here to tell you that this is completely and utterly wrong. Monstrously so. You are wasting your expensive liquid ingredients, you might as well not bother using them.... If you do, you need to add five times more than you should & you'll still **** them.
That's from someone who finds this stuff out for themselves in the real world. Not goes on what everyone else does/says in the rags. That is just one great example. It's a very hefty one. There are so many examples of exactly the same that ring true in carp bait. Rules made by men who in reality did not have much clue what they were even chatting about. Confirmation bias then tells everyone following that this is the way to do things. Thirty or forty years later it's just being perpetuated. People like Ali & the rest all make it this way IMO.
Dare to be different. Because a lot of what you take for gospel regarding carp bait is absolute ********. Like the example given, it's just confirmation bias on a massive scale of how to do things in the totally wrong way. The easy way, yes. The right way? NO.
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FishOn Ricci, the other part of his brace of December 40's. You can vote for Ricci as carp Angler Of the Year on Cypography right now if you so wish. I maybe biased, but he bloody deserves it. Numerous venues one after the other rinsed in double quick time. All whilst running a successful business. Imagine what ginge would catch if he went full time!
ScopexPineapple S2 over crumbed Krill
Jacko with a December 40+ on work overnighters. New lake, same results. Curry S2 over Nutcracker.
Forum member Sam, Devon Rd days only lump. GPB1.
Forum member Mick, part of 2 x 20's & 4 x 30's from Linear on a day session. Good angling Mick! GPB1 balanced over naturals.
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In reply to Post #116
The S4, are a chocolate S2 mate. Two different milk chocolates, chocolate malt & white chocolate. That's just the liquids. The S3 are a cinnamon S2. Sweet spice S2.
When the new website comes, there will no longer be an S3 or an S4. They will be the Cinnamon S2 & Chocolate S2 respectively. That's what they are in reality. It's all getting simplified.
The Whiskey contains no chocolate or vice versa. They all get done with three separate stages of liquids. Every S2 we make gets done in the stage1 S2 liquids, three times. So your nose will pick up similar notes in all of the S2, from the Whiskey S2 right through to the ScopexPineapple S2 for example.
None of this below has ever been shown publicly before. It does not give to much away. Our hook baits work on a similar principle to how particles work, not how traditional boilies/freezer baits work. They take their lead from particles. Particles that ferment. In the 3l jars below are the S2 stage1 liquids. These are steeped for an extended period of time. In the glass jars are some of the oils which I make which go into the baits. On the left of the photo with the glass jars is the stage3 S2 oil. The stage2 liquids are not shown.The process the hook baits go through is EVERYTHING. The sum of the total parts (post process) does not equal the sum total of the ingredients used. The process itself is creating extra. We are not using any chemicals (enzymes), or anything that even tastes manmade whatsoever. The processes end, creates a food based taste, it's how this taste from the food itself works underneath water to fish, which is responsible for the results shown by the anglers using them. All food based.
So next time you see Ali & all the rest telling you about their 'curing', whilst stirring some cardboard blank pop ups about in a large plastic box, this is what they are all trying to replicate. That is so offensive to us & what we do. The process comes from years of hard angling. My own angling. Not looking at someone else & instantly thinking "I can do that", ten minutes later releasing a full bait range out of thin air. That's just standard carp fishing practices over the last decade. Everything we do, even down to drying tens of kgs of hook baits every single day, has not been copied from anyone else... Everything has had to be devised/adapted by myself to suit our very particular needs for our hook baits. It was one thing making them on a small scale..... To transfer that onto a much grander scale has been very difficult. The process is EVERYTHING, so could never change when making the operation making them so much larger. We have just had to adapt. Not looking at anyone else.
The Curry's are doing the most stupid amount of bites for anyone that has them. Crazily so. We are completely up to date with all orders.
Here's a great tip for all you home & commercial bait makers.... Any liquid which you add to your boiled bait, should NEVER under any circumstances see any boiling water/steam. Not EVER. Forget the simple/easy way in which you were all taught to make bait. Even you experts. Start again, from the very basics. Anyone instructing you to add high levels of liquids pre boiling to the eggs is just following what you have all read in the books. They are teaching you to destroy your liquids, only through following what they were taught by those that came before them. It was wrong. Some gentle heat is in fact great for certain liquid ingredients, it improves them... But all boiling water is absolutely terrible for all of them, without exception. Confirmation bias of totally incorrect information is so rife within in carp bait. Listen to a podcast any day to hear it. Everyone is following the same incorrect basics, spouted by the same people, for years. That right there is just one major example of the very basics being ****ed up by all & sundry. All of the companies make your bait that way too. Because it's easy. Adding another process into the equation is like making the bait twice in reality. Our curing process is equivalent to us making the bait six times. Strive to be different to everyone else. It might be harder for you to make, nothing great comes easily... You will reap endless rewards by following that path. Be the shepherd, not the flock following everyone else's mistakes.
Merry Christmas to all CarpForum members. I hope that Santa brings you & yours a truly wonderful Christmas.
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In reply to Post #118
Yeah, maybe some kind of bunspice?
Hot Cross bun...no wonder I like sniffing the tub. Roll on Easter!
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In reply to Post #117
Sure the S3 are a hot cross bun flavour/smell
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In reply to Post #116
The S3 I have are a spicy smell (not the new curry smell, a different spicy...I've had them a year or more)
The S4 are more of a choc malt.
My brother has his PB yesterday on the Johnson Ross PPPP cork chip on a ronnie, 33lb 14oz so he is buzzing.
He got the run just as I was throwing my drone up to do some lake scenery shots, so I ended up getting some nice overhead footage of him playing the fish into the net, perfect timing for him to have a decent memory of the capture.
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In reply to Post #115
I have some yellow , i think S3 or S4? Can't remember, sure they have the whiskey flavour, they smell great, but equally they have been brilliant when ive used them as single hookbaits.
I have so many hookbaits its impossible to stick to the same. Although I dont think thats a bad thing. I am sure certain fish are attracted more to certain types of food. I have had lots of recaptured on different lakes over the food bait I use, often fish others dont catch. Equally I dont catch fish that are regarded as 'mug' fish and clme out all the tkme to baits like the cell. Interesting I am obsessed with using fishmeal type baits. I think I need to do 50/50 with another perhaps nut bait and S2 on 1 rod to expand my profile
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My 5 year old is asking me daily to smell the Tutti's, so I opened the Whiskey's and told him to stick his hooter in them, strangely he liked them too
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In reply to Post #113
Same mate, mine have gone under the tree before I got a chance to look. Excited as a little kid for Christmas morning
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My lads got me a few pots for my Xmas prezzie, needless to say they're wrapped and under the tree now and I'm under strict instructions not to peek 🫣
I was sorely tempted at first but now I'm actually enjoying the anticipation of being like a kid on Xmas morning.
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In reply to Post #110
Took out the whiskeys and Tutties yesterday on a local "runs" water for a day session... had two fish, one on each bait. First fish out in two weeks apparently.
Was really impressed with them as i am with all the range
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Glad that you like them. They will be on the new website & in the shops just after Xmas Carl.
I will not be about to much. I'm currently the other side of the world having a well earned break for Xmas, flying somewhere else later. Not had a single day off for seven weeks. I desperately need it. If you need to get hold of us, WhatsApp message alone is the way forwards. We are totally up to date with all orders on our website right up until one hour ago. A stupid amount of stuff went out yesterday & today. Last day for deliveries to go out for us is the 15th. We have loads of stock. Now we are fully up to date orders, will go out rapidly before Xmas.
If I have missed anyones photos I do apologise.
Dynamite consultant Tony, 50lb8oz from Furzebray. Curry S2 over a handful of Monster TigerNut crumb.
FishOn Ricci, part of a brace of 40's. Fizz S2 over Krill crumb
Roy, numerous from past two weeks including a snow caught. ScopexPineapple S2 or PPPP S2 over Krill.
TackleBox Liam, part of a five fish catch in 24hours. Fizz S2.
Forum member Sam, Devon Road days only. GPB1
Forum member Chris, 35+ first cast with a Curry S2
Forum member Brian, Fizz S2 over Cell
Jaco, S2 in South Africa
Richie, Curry S2 & Tutti S2
Forum member Dean, Hutchie S2
Harvey, French trip last week. Fizz S2
Forum member Viktor, two from a club venue in Sep that contains just four or maximum five carp. Special to Vik. ScopexPineapple S2
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In reply to Post #107
Soon as there back in stock mark let me no please. Look great them
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Had mine today. Wow, different league these are. Cheers Mark. 👍
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these bad boys turned up today 👌🏻they look and smell out of this world....looking forward to getting out and using these
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In reply to Post #90
Last 2 ordered, cheers matey, much appreciated
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Just ordered some Whiskey… will wait for the next run of Tuttis, cheers again Mark 👍🏻
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Damn, defo want some tutti and whiskey 16mm popups!
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In reply to Post #95
Ditto! Orange is a great colour imo so look forward using these next weekend!
Thanks Mark 👍🏼👍🏼
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Just received my Tuttis and they look and smell Devine. Super fast delivery too. Cheers Mark 👍
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In reply to Post #91
Ok pal I want some whiskey and tutti when back in pal, 16mm pop ups
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In reply to Post #91
Bugger.
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In reply to Post #91
Think ive had the last of the tutti's.
Great service as always to get a reply and get ordered at 8pm at night!!
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In reply to Post #89
Bare minimum, but yes still have very small amount of Whiskey. All Tutti gone.
We will have tonnes more of all of it just after Xmas.
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In reply to Post #88
Couple of tubs of 16mm cc & 13mm cc. No balanced. Message the work phone via WhatsApp mate.
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In reply to Post #86
Still got some whiskey left mark ?
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In reply to Post #87
Is it possible to order a GPB2 Curry from you? As Johnson Ross are out of stock.
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We are totally out of 16mm cc & 13mm balanced Tutti. Super low on everything else regarding Whiskey & Tutti. 99% of that all went out on delivery today. Should be there tomorrow or Sunday. Others will go Monday.
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These are for CarpForum for Xmas. They are not being shown elsewhere yet The Tuttis were meant to be being held back for our new website which is coming over Xmas/New Year. There is no hook bait that we have ever been asked to produce more. These have been a labour of love for the best part of two years now.
The Tuttis smell the absolute nuts after going through our curing process. The original Tutti flavour was seven tropical fruits. The Tutti S2 are twenty four nature identical tropical fruits, literally sourced from all around the world. These have been blended with the S2 stage 1 liquids. Then put through our curing process on our S2 fermented nut base. They are stunning. The couple of anglers who have had them cannot stop catching with them.
We only have a couple of hundred tubs of the CarpForum Whiskey S2 & Tutti S2 ready now. The Tutti S2 will be in Johnson Ross, The TackleBox & FishOn early in January. They will be on our new website with all of the other new hook baits when our new website goes live in the new year. No need to panic buy anything now.
But if you do want any now and you're a CF member, please WhatsApp message our work phone. Start your message with your full name which will be on the order. Followed by exactly what you require in the Tutti or the Whiskey. You will be told what to buy from our website to cover them. Once you message, don't message again or you will lose your place in the queue. You will receive a reply, even if it's not instantly. We have both in 13mm & 16mm, both pop ups & balanced.
When I get a minute, I have sooo many catch photos to post. Including forum members with big carp first time out with the Curry's.
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In reply to Post #84
I have them but not been carp fishing for a couple weeks.
I do like the smell of both the Ming GPB2 and the Curry GPB2
I had 2 fish on S2 Curry when I did last go out, in difficult conditions
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In reply to Post #83
Anybody tried the GPB2 ming hookbaits? They look a bit of me. Not seen many catch reports coming in from them. I know its early doors still. Just wondering if anyone has had any joy with them?
Cheers.
Edit: the Johnson Ross curry GPB2 hookbaits look good too
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In reply to Post #77
Quote... Will all the curry baits be on the website too mark?
They will be Ian, but not until the new website goes live over Christmas/new year. All of the new baits will be on there including the Curry. Until then they are only available from the three shops. Trouble is we cannot make the stuff fast enough for them currently! I think the longest a massive box of 100's of tubs has lasted has been just five days. It's very humbling hearing what all these new shop customers are catching & then saying about our stuff to the shops. The three shops are literally selling out faster than we can physically make them right now. The modified electric bait heaters I use to dry the stuff out, are running day and night, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Just got an electric bill in, we are spending over £1.2k a month just on electricity at the moment.
This is a heads up for forum members before they all undoubtably sell out later on when they get mentioned on other social media. Yesterday TackleBox picked up a very large box of GPB2-Ming (Fish), pink Banoffee-S2 (Nut) & Curry-GPB1 (Nut). Johnson Ross had a massive box delivered Monday afternoon of their yellow PPPP-S2 (Nut), Curry-GPB2 (Fish) & pink Fizz-S2 (Nut), yesterday they were ordering more for ASAP. FishOn currently have Curry-S2 (Nut), pink ScopexPineapple-S2 (Nut) & pink Fizz-S2 (Nut). They all have them right now. TB might not even have had a chance to get them on their website yet.
The Curry have been ready to go for a long old time. They were originally going to be called simply 'spice'. When you get a whiff of them you will understand why they had to be named 'curry'. They are a natural progression for our 100% food hook baits which rely on taste, how that taste works underwater. They are a heavy spiced version of our baits. Both powder & liquid. They are the original baits in full spec, just with the added curry ingredients on top. They contain a curry oil which I make myself which heavily stains the baits. The Curry-GPB2 are a dark red fishmeal. They will wash out rapidly to a deep red fishmeal in the water. The Curry-GPB1 & Curry-S2 are both a darker orange in the tub. Both wash out to a much more visual lighter washed out orange very rapidly. The Curry have all been doing crazy amounts of bites for the people who have had them. The GPB2-Ming are a crab/squid version of our Garlic2 with a heavy dose of TackleBox Ming oil. They reek. The PPPP-S2 are heavy on the peach, with pineapple, plum and black pepper essential oil.
They will sell out really fast going on what's happening. I doubt that the shops will be getting more this side of Christmas unfortunately. I am hoping to get our new website built this Christmas, all of the new baits will be on there.
I have so many catch photos to post when I get a chance. I will try my very hardest to have some CF Whiskey-S2 done really soon.
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In reply to Post #81
Looks like a 23lb i caught out of Sutton in 1984. Classic.
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In reply to Post #78
Maybe next time bud🤞.
I honestly do not remember the last time I saw a carp with such perfect dimensions right down to the end of its tail 👌.
I just might be organising a cheeky little road trip down that way in the spring....
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Another Furzebray lin, but from one of the other lakes. Fizz balanced over Poachers
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In reply to Post #75
I’ve seen it in the flesh
It’s gorgeous photos really do not do it any justice.
Went down there just for a weeks holiday and fished 1 afternoon and 1 day and it came out the swim next to mine.
Tony even came and got me and said do you want to see it.
So near yet so far…
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In reply to Post #72
Will all the curry baits be on the website too mark?
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That Furzebray lin is a bit special 👌
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In reply to Post #72
As one who voted for Whiskys def very keen to get my little fingers on some. Got a winter campaign just about to start and these would be perfect...........are you going to let us order some Mark?!!
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Trev with a 52lb8oz last night. GPB1
Forum member Ben, two nights ago. 53lb+, the biggest fish in Kingsmead 1. This was the first time he cast out one of the PPPP-S2. He had them on one rod. Well done Ben. This is a bad screen shot from a video.
Forum member Martin. One of the A Team from his syndicate at 42lb6oz & a lovely broken lin. Banoffee S2
Furzebray owner & Dynamite consultant Tony. 38+ first time he cast out a Curry S2. Fished over MTT freezer baits.
Johnson Ross customer Sarah. Biggest fish in her syndicate first time using our hook baits. Fizz S2
Bob, ScopexPineapple S2
Alfie, the most wanted of the A Team in Essex Manor these days, new PB, 44+. GPB2 over Cell.
Richie with a Furzebray Leney descendent. Gorgeous linear. Single Fizz S2
Jacko two nights ago, two 30+ mirrors & a 26+ common. Fizz S2 over Nutcracker freezer baits
Forum member Sam. Devon Road days only GPB1
FishOn Ricci never stops with the monster carp. ScopexPineapple & Fizz S2 balanced over shops particle & Krill.
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Hope you are all well.
In the photograph are some of our new hook baits.
The TB GPB2-Ming are a shop exclusive for The Tackle Box. They are our GPB2 (Fish) with added Crab & Squid. They also contain lashings of an updated version of the TackleBox's famous Ming oil. The original was made in the 90's using products from a bait company now no longer around. Gary Peet of the Box has been 'on' at me for so long, to resolve an updated version of their Ming oil for them. It's in these hook baits.
The Curry-S2 will be in Fishon Tackle on Tuesday. Along with a load more ScopexPineapple S2 & Fizz S2, both in pink. They will have all of these in 13mm & 16mm, in both crushed cork pop ups & balanced.
Johnson Ross had a massive box of our products last week. So much stuff. Included in this was the yellow JR PPPP-S2 (Nut). These are a shop exclusive for JR, heavy on the Peach, with Pineapple, Plum, & Black Pepper Essential oil. They also had our GPB2 & our pink Fizz S2 again. They sold out of everything in just five days. Being told by them they have never seen a reaction to new products like it in their shop. Shop customers busting PB's one after the other & returning in droves for more.
Karl has the Whiskey S2 as detailed below. They came out the absolute nuts. Take your breath away. They are going to be a winter winner for sure.
The Tackle Box will have GPB2 Ming, White Fizz S2 & DNA Bug in all variations, online and in store on Monday. Fishon Tackle Shop will have Curry S2, ScopexPineapple S2 & pink Fizz S2 in all variations, online and in store on Tuesday. Johnson Ross Tackle will have GPB2 Curry & more PPPP S2 in all variations, online and in store by the end of the week.
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In reply to Post #70
If I am running low, or the proprietor is on yet another holiday ... YES!
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In reply to Post #69
do you dry off and save the used baits for next time
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In reply to Post #68
I have a Whiskey on one of my rods as I type. Curry on another and GPB2 on the 3rd.
Had a 21+ Common on the Curry within 30mins of putting the rod out last night.
Hopefully get a lump on the Whiskey tonight, syndicate fishing slow with all the cold rain water coming into the lake.
Well, I was just typing that message when my left rod went, not a biggun but 15lb Mirror is better than nothing, not heard any other alarms tonight so the Curry has done well.
Just put Whiskey on that rod for the recast, fingers crossed...
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Teasing the whiskey s2s on I see! Some amazing fish coming out on the other custom versions too.
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In reply to Post #62
Got down after work today just had this low 20 mirror actually weeded me up went and got boat thought il give it few mins before go out in it and it tore back off thankfully gpb2 balanced as usual now lol over pellets
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In reply to Post #61
Ryan, please send us a message on WhatsApp next time you place an order. Just making it clear that you are Raztwc from the forum.
Thanks.
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In reply to Post #60
Thank you another fast delivery
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Jezz with a 107lb+ brace yesterday morning. At 4:30am he landed the big common from Wellington Country Park at 53lb... At 6:30am he followed that up with Drop Scale at 54lb6oz. That has to be one of the biggest brace of carp ever landed in the UK surely?
S2 white 13mm crushed cork pops, fished over No Nuts 20mm freezer baits.
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Two messages that came in within two minutes of each other. Richie with a gorgeous linear on an S3 as a single hook bait. Chris with what's likely the biggest fish in Woolpack 5&6 currently, in the net last night, & it's a belter. One of the last two he desperately wants to catch. Hutchie balanced as a single hook bait.
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In reply to Post #53
Quote... Absolutely yes to that. The curry/Indian spice/ garlic label is far and away my all time go to in a bait. Put onto your S2 it’s a match made in heaven.
Karlos will have some Curry S2 & some Whiskey S2 to have a little play with within the next couple of weeks. It will be up to him which one he decides will be the CF exclusive.
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Dan Belkon with the end of a ten year personal obsession earlier this year... When you work full time, have a young family... Then watch close friends catch your dream on a guest session with you... In the same swim, on hook baits that you have given them (S2)... But you can still be so happy for them... No one ever deserved it more than Dan did.
Dan with the Golden from the park, with friends & his children sharing the moment. GPB2.
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In reply to Post #54
Roy, GPB2.
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In reply to Post #39
I do like a little bit of Whiskey myself from time to time...
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In reply to Post #50
Absolutely yes to that. The curry/Indian spice/ garlic label is far and away my all time go to in a bait. Put onto your S2 it’s a match made in heaven.
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all this talk of Whiskey & Cognac - anyone ever used booze as a soak or similar? Everyone knows about a splash of Baileys in the winter but I'm more speaking about neat spirits. I did mess about soaking some baits in Brandy one winter, years ago, but nothing really conclusive came about for me...........decided it was better in my coffee than in the fish!
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In reply to Post #50
Ooh nice, I do like a spicy bait. They seem to be a take anywhere kind of thing. The other thing I'd like to see if something more along the particles flavouring. Something like a hemp bait or maize maybe
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In reply to Post #48
I know Ian, but that would have zero bearing on anything that we released. It would have absolutely zero of the same ingredients in, even down to the Whiskey. So it does not matter how anyone fared on that. It would be an absolutely completely different thing.
We have some incredible curry & spice additives from the food industry that I'm dying to use in something. They smell irresistible after being put through our process.
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In reply to Post #47
You're not spamming. You carry on. The two things will be absolutely incomparable Vossy.
Quote... I'm just struggling with such a alien label on what will obv be a good food profile.
CherryCola S2
ScopexPineapple S2
Hutchie S2
Banoffee S2
RedBerryVanilla S2
Fizz S2
They are being used to the very best effect on most of the toughest pits in the land Vossy. Things happen with the concentrates that mean that they can't fail. They just put a different label onto things, change PH and compliment other things within the base mix.
An S2, is an S2.
The Banoffee S2 are so pokey. They are absolutely deadly. The Fizz S2 similar. They all work exceptionally well. Some will work better than others on certain waters.
If it's a CF Whiskey S2 Karl decides he wants.... It will be made so that it catches fish one after the other. That's my job. The anglers just need to fish well & go catch them all.
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In reply to Post #46
Haha oh I know mark, mine was purely a comment on the Nash gear. My hookbait bag is most definitely an advert for shb in itself. I'm sure whatever the new bait ends up as will make it's way to join the rest soon enough
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In reply to Post #46
I am absolutely disgusted, that a couple of you would correlate that because you blanked on a certain companies Whiskey, that the same would happen with something that we would ever bring to market. In fact I actually just brought up a bit of sick into my mouth.
It was a bit after my time using Nash flavours tbh, but one of my freinds used it, can't say it impressed. I'm just struggling with such a alien label on what will obv be a good food profile. I confess I've never looked into the whisky flavour to see what it brings to the table, for all I know it has chemical mimickry of blood worm and will be a barn stormer
Clearly you have never used any of our products before Vossy.
I'd have to go fishing for that 
Right, I'll bugger off and stop spamming the thread 
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I am absolutely disgusted, that a couple of you would correlate that because you blanked on a certain companies Whiskey, that the same would happen with something that we would ever bring to market. In fact I actually just brought up a bit of sick into my mouth.
The name of a drink might be involved, but that would be where any similarities began & ended... Full stop.
The Whiskey & Cognac concentrates I am speaking of... Come from the same source as the badness that go into our Fizz S2 & our Cheese. From the other side of the world. They are both absolutely sensational.
Set on an S2 base mix, and put through our process, there is no way you would not be able to catch fish on them, absolutely impossible
Clearly you have never used any of our products before Vossy. Ian, you should know better!
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PPP with plum instead of pineapple in GPB2 colour and texture would get my vote
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In reply to Post #40
Same, I used it for a while back then and couldn't buy a bite on it.
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In reply to Post #40
Nash Whiskey flavour worked v well for me in my homemades back in the day - maybe because it was pretty different to most other flavours at the time. From memory I think I was on a big Colne Valley water at around that time..........def not anywhere North!
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In reply to Post #39
please don't forget some bottom baits to match as well!!
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In reply to Post #39
Whiskey and plum please🙂
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In reply to Post #39
Maybe the waters different up north, I dont remember Nash whisky being much good, maybe a silty mere thing. It wouldn't even be in my top 5 Nash flavours either, certainly different though
Maybe a pot of North South Split
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Karlos... Your members are telling you that they want a CF Whiskey S2
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Another vote for Whiskey or Cognac…….
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Agree a whiskey one would be epic.
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Whisky or cognac sounds great or both 😁
My son will be happy when a new one arrives as the smell of your baits knock him out almost 🤣
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Garlic & Liver specials please Mark.
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Another vote for the Whiskey S2 👍
Also something along the lines of the old Indian spice/garlic combo.
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Some great suggestions already. Keep them coming.
We have everything that has been mentioned already, ready to go if that what Karl decides he wants. Three already for the Whiskey. I have a malt whiskey flavour from Brazil that's the absolute dogs danglies. A Cognac flavour too from the same source.
None of them have been used by us as yet.
It's Johnson Ross who are having the PPP S2. Peach Pineapple & Black Pepper EO Sugars2.
TackleBox are having GPB-Ming Oil. Which absolutely stink to high heaven.
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A whisky S2 would be the nuts.... if a decent whisky flavour still exists?
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In reply to Post #23
All good things come to an end mate. Back to the grindstone!
Forum hookbait would be good - thats a cool idea.
I think you have most of the classic fruit/sweet combos already covered with the S2s and S4s, that peach one you might be running for one of the tackle shops really completes that circle.
I'd have a vote for something on the more savoury style side - like a liver original sense appeal/liver oil.... not many of those around.
Or an absolutely hanging but subtle fishy/crabby one
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In reply to Post #23
I’m sure everyone has their favourites. I’d go for something like maple cream or maple/scopex in off-white or beige or a tutti/tropical fruit (BAF) in pale orange.
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In reply to Post #27
Second that! I love the GPB1s but whiskey S2 would be amazing
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In reply to Post #23
Take it back old skool (at least from when I was growing up), how about aniseed?
Failing that, an alcohol based one, give me nostalgic moments of Nash Whiskey Boilies
Regardless of it's flavour profile, if it's on the S2 base (I assume it will be, being a winter bait) then it will be a winner anyway!
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In reply to Post #23
Any chance of something in an orange colour?
Could go all out a Xmas theme and go down the cinnamon, gingerbread route. Then we can all wear Santa hats in catch photos
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In reply to Post #24
+1, secret agent/fenugreek type.
Edit, if not too similar to a existing one that is.
Edit2 barrel bottom baits too.
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In reply to Post #23
Something spicy, maybe along the curry flavours route. Fenugreek, tumeric,chilli that kind of thing?
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Holiday is nearly over. Going forward, I'm not going to be around much at all for the next couple of months. If you need to get hold of us, please WhatsApp message the work phone.
Karl has asked if we can do an exclusive hook bait for the forum, that's going to happen this winter. Any ideas what any of you would like to see?
Forum member Dean. Hutchie S2
Stoke Carl, GPB2
More from Roy that have not been shown here. GPB2, Fizz S2 or original S2 over Krill.
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Roy again today, 42lb+, GPB2 over Sticky Krill.
Forum member Sam, big Kent mirror. TC1 balanced.
Forum member Andy, good looking Italian chunk. Fizz S2 over ABS K2
FishOn Ricci again, another upper 40lb common. ScopexPineapple S2 over shops fermented particle & Sticky Krill.
Dinton angler Lukes 6 year old son. Carp fishing obsessed already he is. He says the pink ones & the brown ones work best. He fishes them over Mainline Cell.
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I know that I must come across as a right moaning git sometimes. It's often for things that you lot never know about though.
It's nice to inspire people. But there's also a line. The order shown is from 2014, it was for our S1 & S2. Three years later the bloke set up his own bait company. Thought it was a good idea to name his companies airball/cardboard pop ups SS1 & SS2. That crosses the moral line.
It's absolutely savage as far as I'm concerned.
They also approached an angler who had got free stuff from us, offered him free freezer bait straight off the bat. He'd been a long term customer of ours. That eventually progressed to him getting the stuff for free. Natural & honest. I was actually bigging up this bait company for said angler on our socials.... Including on here. To help the angler, not them. Then I found out about the SS1 & SS2 hook baits. So in my head, one of the only blokes at the time who got free stuff from us, was now promoting someone trying their best to rip us off. Or at least a play on our hook baits names. I wrongly on my part had to let the angler go in my head. It was a very bad/stupid decision on my part. We remained friends & spoke pretty regular. He jogged them on not long after this & we later laughed about it all. At the time none of it was funny whatsoever. I am sending John more kit tomorrow for the first time in a couple of years. It was never his fault. It was this bloke heres fault. Watching, trying to capitalise on the exposure John was getting with us. While also trying to pull a fast one for any new customer googling our hook baits clearly with those names. Not only the very close hook bait names, but targeting our anglers as well with instant free bait.... Just to try to get some exposure. John had rinsed White Swan to a level never seen before with our S2 over particle. Just particle. That attracts freezer bait firms, who also sell their own hook baits.
If it was you. If that was your life's work, something you put your heart & soul into for a long period of time... How would stuff like this make you feel? A little bit bitter? Would you just shrug it off? I often struggle to understand how to even deal with the stuff like this. There's so much of it goes on.
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In reply to Post #16
Top angling as always Old Skool John.
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That advert is going up on SHB socials later for our new special gravel & magic water.
In all seriousness Andy, the missus will likely point at the £1 million + I've taken off the biggest bookmaker in the UK in 2025, all whilst sitting next to her & tell me to **** right off regarding SHB.
Roy with two more insane looking big carp. GPB2 over home rolled Krill.
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In reply to Post #17
Yeah, the wife will have to start pulling her weight the lazy cow! I will be needing all the staff I can get Andy. Very big things are coming.... I have finally worked out the most ingenious way to stop all these bait firms dishonestly showing endless fish on social media banked on our hook baits (that little thing on the end of the rig that gets the actual bite) whilst selling their own freezer bait or even hook baits off the back of it. I'm on Dragons Den next week, so this time next year Rodders....
We are soon going to start selling gravel as a feed bait. Just spomb out some of our new gravel.... Cast any one of our hook baits over the top..... Watch those bites come rolling in.
Gravel will become the new wonder boilie in 2026. We would prefer that you did not mention our hook baits anymore publicly.... There's more money in re bagging someone else's cheap gravel. All you need is a degree in plastic bag sealing. We'll be bringing out a mk2 version within a few months with a few extra tweaks.... 'Active Gravel' along with an all singing all dancing 'Cultured AirMax' version just for the Essex boys. We brought in a doctor to design this particular one. This version jumps up and down and shouts a lot, it's also coated with fake tears along with a special glittery glitter which sparkles like a really sparkly thing. But what about Yateley I hear you cry? It is after all apparently the home of carp fishing. We will also have the 'Virgin Gravel' for the Yateley boys... Just keep this particular one well away from the ladies.
For the ultimate added attraction, we will be bringing to market some extra special magic gravel liquid. This is a very special type of water. Carp can't actually survive without this one magic ingredient. Add it to your extra special gravel, spomb it all out, then just fish any one of our hook baits over the top. Watch those big carp roll in one after the other. To join our 'team' (your first steps to stardom)... Just help us to sell our re bagged special gravel and re bottled magic water on social media. It's that simple.
If you want to be the next superstar in carp fishing, or maybe set up your own bait company next week... Just buy some of our special gravel or magic water. Fish an S2 over the top and watch those big carp literally come rolling over the net cord. A few well worded posts for your new bait company, you'll be able to sell any old rubbish off the back that. You will have your name up in lights on TikTok in no time at all. Every podcaster in the land will want you on their show.
Just remember... (Please don't mention our hook baits, or none of this above will work)
#gravel #water #instadaily #instadailyphoto #tiktok
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In reply to Post #16
cant the mrs come to the UK for a holiday with you mate.....
I have in my mind a picture of you working when you're back in the UK, like walt and jessie cooking up a batch like in breaking bad lol
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In reply to Post #15
Sorry for the late reply Dekay. We are still away, we've been travelling about and I've been on a 'no fishing/work' chat ban for the past few days. We have all been there, women really don't like us talking about fishing on their time haha. They will come mate. Only after our expansion though. Larger round bottom baits are coming too in all variations.
Anyway, currently, I hate all of you reading this. You're all carp anglers. I have had to cut short our holiday by two weeks to return to the UK. It's likely your fault. Slow down buying the stuff ffs!
If I miss out anyones photo or get a name wrong i am sorry in advance.
FishOn Ricci, top one is the biggest fish in Welly known as 'Willow' at mid 50. Fizz S2 balanced over shops fermented particle & Krill crumb.
Josh with a Snaggy Pit mirror. GPB1 over Krill.
You may remember I posted John last week, he'd already had three sixty's in France. Well he ended up with 5 x 60lb+ for the week, up to a new PB of 69lb12oz. He also banked more than a dozen 50's. John has being going to France for many, many years. He's never experienced a trip like it. Incredibly, he only fished the days. Partied with his pals at night. That's the way to do it John! Original S2.
Forum member Andy, two 60's from Parco. Fizz S2 over K2 freezers.
Chris, two from Woolpack at the weekend, both on GPB1 balanced fished as singles. You can see which one was in the water for less than ten minutes by the colour of the hook bait.
Forum member Tony. 42lb+ & 37lb+, GPB1 over Bug freezers.
Stoke Carl with a beautiful estate lake 32+. GPB2.
Forum member Dean, some of the better ones he's had past week or two. ScopexPineapple S2
David with a big common. Hutchie S2 over Wraysbury MC Nut
Forum member Lee with a Lea valley common. Original S2
Jacko with that fish from the comments below, we all know it was caught on a Fizz S2 balanced, just feel sorry for the poor folks who need to show fish caught on our stuff, while implying something different to their poor gullible customers. The day I need to do that, I'll give up. Many of the largest bait firms in the UK need to do this. Prayers for them all.
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Mark, any plans to ever do the S2 bottom bait barrels in the new special editions ?
Perfect solid bag hookbaits for me. I’m not keen on anything wafting around.
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In reply to Post #13
The bait certainly works...
I've not fished for over a week now which is odd for me, but I kinda lost my mojo a bit. I've been doing so well at the syndicate it all seemed a bit easy and I wanted more of a challenge...so I need to decide where to go next.
Anyhow, I can't fish for another week or so as I am off to Italy with the Mrs and friends for a break so decided to do a quick overnighter last night.
Copy/paste from my fishing log for last night...
20:00 16lb 10oz Common - TC1 wafter on multi rig
21:00 31lb 4oz Mirror (repeat capture, caught it on my last session 30 Sep) - TC1 wafter on multi rig
22:30 21lb 3oz Common - TC1 wafter on multi rig
23:00 18lb 12oz Mirror - GPB2 Cork Chip on Ronnie
01:00 21lb 10oz Mirror - TC1 wafter on multi rig
05:30 27lb 14oz Mirror - TC1 wafter on multi rig
I'm a little tired at work today!
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In reply to Post #2
Welcome to my world 😂
It’s not just them, it would seem to be pretty much ALL of them now except DNA. Nash Bait were doing same thing, with the same lad. They even tried to add a caveat to his contract earlier this year specifically about not mentioning us. He told them no chance. Imagine having to use fish to sell your bait, that you know were caught on another companies products? When Sticky do the same with Ricci’s & the rests fish, its so cringe. Everyone sensible knows what he catches them on. Thing is, so many others it has happened with, you lot don’t know. They rely on the masses not knowing. It’s morally, absolutely shocking. Some of the bait company adverts I’ve seen in 2025 selling masses of bait off results using our hook baits are just insane.
You will find so many great results for our customers on these threads (and not on these threads), selling tonnes of bait & hook baits for supposedly well respected bait firms, so very recently too! It’s totally misleading their own gullible customer base, who they must think very little of. It’s always gone on for us. In 2025 it’s got right out of hand though. It’s just going on constantly now. We should change our name to ‘Tiger Nut’. Just read the bait company blurb… If they are very carefully wording an advert in a way where they don’t mention their hook bait, which they flog…. You know that the company know full well that it was caught on someone eles product (normally ours), but they NEED to sell their wares off the back of that. What does that tell you about these companies bait though? 😂 Bait companies who get lauded constantly are doing it. Tells me personally that paying half of carp fishing to sell you lot a story is no longer enough to keep some of these firms afloat. Podcasts, underwater cameras for selling jank products, none of it is enough anymore.
Suppose all that above must mean that we are doing alright 🫣
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In reply to Post #9
All three shops will have the Fizz S2 back in stock next ten days or so. We currently only have pop ups done, completely sold out of balanced until I’m back from holiday. For pop ups WhatsApp message the work mobile with what you require, plus the full name which will be on the order. You will be told what to order from our website to cover the Fizz S2.
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In reply to Post #7
Well done mate that’s a cracking mirror 🥳
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In reply to Post #7
Awesome
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I used to use s2 years ago on chods now I'm on a water thit I think a single on a chod will be the way to go on my winter ticket how do I get my hands on a pot of fizz crushed corks? I've been out of the SHB world for a good few years just on the bottom baits but saw some fizz on the bank in the spring and they looked great, just ordered some scopex & pineapple for the meantime 😏
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In reply to Post #7
Well done mate, I like the depth of that fish and it looks in good condition too
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In reply to Post #1
Well come down 6th Oct full moon big fish time for quick night before holiday to Spain tomorrow just had a epic boat battle with one of the a team called big Bertha gpb2 balanced pretty sure I wont use out else again lol
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In reply to Post #4
A - They haven't reported that it picked up a SHB hookbait.
Very poor if so!
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In reply to Post #4
May or may not have left them comment about B
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In reply to Post #2
Bit of a shocker that tbh.
A - They haven't reported that it picked up a SHB hookbait.
B - They've reported it as a record at 39.6 when I took the photos of my mate with it last year at 39.8.
Poor show.
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In reply to Post #1
Did post it on last chat but new one started this is from thursday 2nd October
Gpb2 balanced another 4 fish hit Thursday night Friday night this been best of bunch
photoupload
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