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In reply to Post #23
 genuinely funny!
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They have put a video up on you tube seen about 30seconds and thought what a **** (filtered) so turned it over
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In reply to Post #23
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In reply to Post #23
Brilliant
Just about sums the whole sorry scene up.
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In reply to Post #23
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In reply to Post #23
Sounds like you had a wonderful time!! How many elephants did you shoot before breakfast 🤣
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I think it’s jealousy- I had a fantastic couple of weeks and had fish over 80lb, one little blighter caused the gillys all sorts of problem and I got out the hot tub to help at one stage.
People think it’s easy, but knowing what spots to heat up and when, timings on the automatic feeders it was bloody hard work.
Some of the fish we caught were lovely deep pale oldies and the way the genetically modified lips mean easy hooking presents all sorts of problems, magic wand or magic twig. There was also an old skool angler there, casting his rod over his head and using what I can only describe as a catapult to fire something out, proper noddy sleeping under a round tent thing, no hot tub and no barbecue area. He had fish up to low 70s from the dad and lads lake in the end as our lake seemed a bit tough for him.
I say to the doubters try it - with the private chef, 2 x gillys and the photo package it was less than £1k a day - yes the extras can mount up and firing the feeders at 2am certainly isn’t something to do if you are on a budget.
Overall I had 46 x 80s and 7 x 90lb and GutPig at 103lb 2oz it’s weight was down when we had it but fair play to the owners, they took it out the sling straight to the rapid weight gain environment and had it back to us flapping away at over a ton within a few hours.
Great place for the family and it’s also the only UK fishery where you can shoot African Elephants from the bar area.
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How many times do we see someone asking about venues with cabins, accommodation, even hot tubs in the venue section?
Fishing is different things to different people. I remember going to Waveney Valley Lakes in the 80's and being disappointed to see even more swims occupied by a caravan every visit, but there was obviously a call for it and made financial sense to the owner.
None of this will kill angling, it might just be the thing that saves it?
Like I said different things for different people.
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In reply to Post #17
Don’t worry about it. Whilst ever the British carp record committee are pulling the plug on these false fish it’s perfectly fine for me, we all know what they are. The first time they don’t all the creditability and the history of this pastime has gone and becomes meaningless 
Cultivated carp record please, if we really need one, and then some stringent criteria for future record claiims, just draw the line unless there is traceability, to shut the door all of this crap driven by fame seekers and people cashing in on it 
The reality is they have an opportunity to make things great again and meaningful, it would also drive future stocking policies throughout the UK 
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In reply to Post #19
It’s not what I look for when I go fishing but I’m sure it will appeal to the instant carper
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In reply to Post #17
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth..
You're right It will be very popular I'm sure.
It's beyond a joke isn't it.
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In reply to Post #17
You may or may not remember me saying about this sort of thing a while ago
I called it lodge disease ,where by established lakes are ruined by adding lodges etc to the venue looks like the RH version is a super lodge disease ,it's not fishing at all ..
So let's have a look at some venues in the area I know ruined by greed and money
Clawford vineyards
Rettallick lakes
Meadowside lakes
St Tinney Farm
Shillamill lakes
Lodge on Stafford Moor ..
East Rose
Hangar Manor
It all began with Zyg Gregoryk and Anglers paradise ,years ago then Dave Dawe ,at lakeview lodges ...
My memory knows there are loads more,plus now you have app ,goddammit I hate those apps ..
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In reply to Post #16
If you go to RH fishery’s you can fish from a 5* cabin. This is there blurb
THE AVENUE CABIN Welcome to The Avenue Luxury Cabin… 5 star facilities whilst fishing for some of the biggest fish in the UK in excess of 64lb+! The Cabin contains 2 bedrooms with en-suite bathrooms with a TV in each room. A kitchen, lounge and dining room with all the appliances needed, including fridge, freezer, dish washer, cooking hobs with pots, pans, plates and all the require cutlery! All overlooking our most prestigious big fish venue, with loads of scope to fish to some of the best areas on the fishery… to book visit the website
£2500-£3500 per week!
Personally it’s not for me but no doubt they are fully booked during most of the season
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Pay 3.5k & get your guaranteed PB delivered to your glampside bivvy pod within a week.
I'm not entirely sure what it is but it isn't fishing anymore is it.
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In reply to Post #13
I hope a lot of people do walk away to be honest, perhaps then it will be left for those who are in it for what it used to be
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This isn't fishing.
About as sporting as shooting fish in a barrel.
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I can see a lot of people walking away really ,fast .Angling or Carp angling is rapidly turning.into a massive cash cow,which at some point will crash,burn and implode
It's gone up it's own backside..
When you factor in you can't fish lovely previously accessiblr places due to apps, let's remember not everyone wants to use a goddam app.. ,It's being destroyed from within ..by us anglers, and greedy greedy money orientated people, who really don't understand angling it's history or ethos as a working class pastime ..
I always thought otters would ruinate it,seems I was incorrect ..
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In reply to Post #10
100% 
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In reply to Post #9
It’s deffo not about the money, it’s about providing anglers with a gap in the market and something “they” desperately want , for 3.5k! lol 
Anway, choices
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In reply to Post #9
So now carp fishing has become a sport for millionaires only. I'm rapidly getting to the point where I will have to walk away .This is getting ridiculous.
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Each to their own.
I see they have completed the luxury lodge on the Avenue!
£3500.00 for a week 2 anglers !!
£500.00 per day !
**** me ! Good luck with that...... 
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Wierd isn’t it. Feeding carp up to be fat to entice a load of blokes.
Meanwhile down the pub any lass who weighs more than 10 stone is on Ozempic to get rid of weight to entice same blokes. 
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Grow fast, die young, made a shedload of money from desperados. Kerching.
The epitome of pot noodle 'angler'.
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In reply to Post #5
Exactly. I’d guess that there’s so many noddies that want to catch 50’s who stand zero chance of getting on any decent lakes with a stock of big fish, that this is the natural outcome. It’ll save em’ going to France to batter those fish.
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In reply to Post #1
Supply and demand, pushing the boundaries of investment & business / fish breeding and carp strain genetic limitations to maximise growth.
Personally not my thing. Some people want to catch Tele-tubbie carp nowadays.
Same as the technology used in trout fisheries like Dever Springs and Avington in the 80's & 90's to present.
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Similar to below. Purely business, why, there is absolutely no need!!!
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In reply to Post #1
oversized bloated gut buckets and nothing more
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In reply to Post #1
Live fast die young. Those slow growing leneys, lived to 60 years.
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Seen a lot of social media posts from RH fisheries lately about their heated stock pond, with some fish putting on nearly 20lb in 6 months! Obviously this fish will be stocked into their various lakes but to me it doesn’t sit right, a case of just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I’m sure these fish will get huge but is that kind of weight gain healthy or sustainable? I personally don’t think I’d feel a sense of achievement catching such fish
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