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For anyone who doesn't like to use lead or wants to try something different, I've been using Zinkers leads recently. Athough they don't seem to be widely available, my local store stocks them. They're cheap & really well made. Finished in a nice brown colour that blends in with most beds.
I've also started using Dinsmores Arseley bombs for my chods. Ideal shape for fishing in weed & again cheap as chips, well made & come in smaller sizes. Also available in camo.
I only use a maximum of 2oz for 99% of my fishing, so the slightly larger size isn't an issue for me.
I don't like being ripped off for end tackle. The vast majority of it is ridiculously over priced!
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In reply to Post #43
That’s true actually. People moan incessantly about lining the coffers at Korda.
Me personally, most of the time I have an inline dropoff set up on the end. One of the lakes I fish is very weedy, the lead needs to come off, full stop.
Didn’t Palatrax do similar with barbed hooks given they also flog an alternative?
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I said in a previous post a few years ago about this
Some canals/stretches the sides are lined with asbestos sheets and as most people will know if it’s not disturbed broken up and air borne then it’s to some extent ok
So why don’t mr palatrax (tool head )get off his high horse and complain about this ?
Well he can’t make weights out of asbestos can he
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In reply to Post #44
Deffo my 1st born.
If you’d have gone one of those oriental ducks and child 2 well there’s a debate to be had. That’s the problem with the internet no specific’s.
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In reply to Post #41
Tufted ducks & coots. Your eldest.
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In reply to Post #1
I bought this practice to the attention of ECHA and they were, rightly so, horrified that such a reckless act was being promoted by the industry.
Fek me, genius, how many have “moaned” on about it on here before only for the clowns to say it’s fine because it suits my fishing and the muppets cashing in on it and driving it £  
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In reply to Post #35
They're already out there in smaller sizes, I have some for drop shotting, and yes they are more expensive 
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In reply to Post #27
Are the ducks more important than your own children?
What sort of ducks are you talking about and which one of my two kids?
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In reply to Post #38
I just read all of the comments. Good, he's getting ripped to bits and people can clearly see through his absolute waffle.
After people with knowledge are telling him that lead is insoluble and asking him for raised lead levels in the water, he then starts banging on about home lead makers are the problem and children will get sick from it. Changes his story like the wind!
The bloke is an absolute waste of space. I've always looked from afar and thought similar. But today has really drove it home. He is getting dangerous now though and will bring lots of trouble to carp fishing with his new 'informer' mantra. He is playing a dangerous game for all of us.
If you need to FORCE people to buy your products, you can't cut the mustard. He does not seem to be able to accept this though. So now we get all this.
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In reply to Post #38
Good man!
He has the patent on the stone weights too?
This just gets worse and worse 
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He posted a thread on the Institute of Fishery Management group on fb,
I replied...
Simon Pomeroy whilst you appear to be the guardian of our welfare, you are also a major beneficiary of any lead ban, and as you have a patent on the stone weight your constant pushing for a lead ban smacks of self promotion.
Any evidence from actual water samples that show an elevated lead level in lakes that have been heavily carp fished?
LINKY POO™ https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16RrkNNPcU/
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In reply to Post #33
Quote.... yet air rifle pellets to this day are primarily still little lead projectiles that can be digested by the countrysides wildlife.
What you said there kind of proves the point so well. That's dangerous. Yet no one cares. Our 3 or 4oz lead weights are not dangerous. Every lake in the UK has loads of leads on the bottom. Is it stopping weed from growing? Is it killing wildlife? Is it holding back fish weights in Rainbow? What are the negatives after 60-70 years of lead being used as fishing weights in UK waters? Like your air rifle statement and the lead pipe drinking water analogy, there are many instances of lead being used in far worse ways than our fishing weights.
Is this someone from PETA or the like coming forwards with this? No it''s a poxy carp angler with a business, who has a vested interest in lead weights being banned. But he is playing with fire by running his mouth off to the authorities. He will bring much unneeded attention on us. What for? So he can corner the market on Stonez inside his head I'd imagine.
It's this part of the statement below which angered me. He is talking about EVERY carp fisherman in the country in that snippet below. We all use lead weights. We all have used lead clips and dropped a lead when needed. That below sounds like the school playground grass, and he seems really happy with himself about it. What a saint among carpers he is.... Ever ejected a lead to save a fish having its face ripped off in weed? He says that you're reckless if you have.
"I am also very happy to see that the recommendation in regards to purposefully ejectioning leads will be banned from 6 months of the legislation being enacted. I bought this practice to the attention of ECHA and they were, rightly so, horrified that such a reckless act was being promoted by the industry"
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In reply to Post #32
The weight of an object in water is its weight in air minus the weight of water it dissplaces.
A 100g lead weight in water would weigh about 91.2g
A 100g weight with a SG of 3.0 would weigh about 66.67g in water
For a weight with a SG of 3.0 to weigh 100g in water it would have to weigh 150g in air.
ETA
The volume of this weight would be 50 cm3, compared to less than 9 cm3 for a lead weight.
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Just been googling and found that tungsten is 1.7 times heavier than lead, that surprised me.
Tungsten is 30% more expensive than lead and it's melting point is much higher so inevitably tungsten is going to be more expensive.
So a move over to tungsten is possible, it's just the cost.
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In reply to Post #10
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Lead by volume Rainbow lake in Hostens France would make the ultimate case study, I'm pretty sure that lake would see a small skip full on a yearly basis and since its popularity since the early 00's generally fully booked with an average of 26 anglers week in week out for 51 weeks of the year "I might be well under estimating it", not that I've ever had big big hits there but I've witnessed many a time when anglers have had a combination of 50/60 or even 100+ takes in a week be it from carp, bream, or the odd sturgeon that resides in there. I'd say an average week for most when its fishing well which is more often than not as it can be nearly as prolific in the winter periods would be circa 20 to 30nr x 12 ounce leads or by comparison 60 to 90nr x 4 oz leads 80 to 120nr x 3oz leads half or more of those being dropped due to bream pickups these days, my last visit I had 22 bream takes 5 from carp, the analysis above doesn't account for those that double lead their leaders or those that tape two leads together when theres a blow on, there cannot be many other lakes that I can think of where the toxicity can be anywhere near it, I think in comparison most UK lakes wouldn't get anywhere near in a 100 years compared to a couple at Rainbow even the likes of the linear style venues.
Doesn't make it right I know that before someone states the obvious and where and when I can as I always have especially in my normal UK angling I aim to retain the lead unless conditions/situations dictate otherwise as in fishing up to/near a snag or a weed infested lake when its top to bottom with it, I'd rather drop a lead than leave a fish possibly trailing it, if something was alternatively available, suitable and at a reasonable cost I'd have no problem switching over as I'm sure most anglers would but I'd rather not have it forced on me when it's not.
It's like the comparison to lead shot for shooting around water courses I owned a shotgun for 30 odd years and saw the transition to non toxic shot for that purpose late 90's early 00's but I'd bet money nearly all wouldn't admit that they bought a box to have a few in the pocket but carried on shooting lead around water courses due to the extra prohibitive cost and the damage to your barrels and chokes and yet air rifle pellets to this day are primarily still little lead projectiles that can be digested by the countrysides wildlife.
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In reply to Post #29
I don't get the problem with size of lead re density. You go abroad and fish a big still with undertow or river, and you don't think twice of using very big heavy leads. In some vids they use great big bloody rocks....the ultimate stonz :-P
Same re Barbel fishing & giant feeders.
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In reply to Post #26
I emailed muziker asking for the specific gravity or weight per cm3 of their weights. They weren't able to tell me. If I was making/selling alternative weights I would want to know exactly how they compared to other materials.
For ref the specific gravity of lead is usually given as 11.35. It would seem that most of the alternatives are less than 3.0.
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In reply to Post #19
Who said concrete ,not me , there are alternatives such as resin or resin tungsten.
19.254 grams per cubic cm for tungsten so considerably heavier than lead.
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In reply to Post #28
I don't want the fish to try and pick up the lead and eat it 
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In reply to Post #26
I like the idea of those Eco's taking on liquids, great idea
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In reply to Post #26
They look good mate.
In a similar fashion to the anglers fishing his lake, he seems to be trying to force anglers to buy his products. Let's have it right, I've never seen anyone using the Stonez, not ever, so they are hardly popular. It's the whole forcing people to use his stuff that really gets my goat. That is clearly what is going on here with a hidden agenda. But one that could cause massive damage for us as a pastime with the antis. He does not seem to care about that clearly.
I remember when he came out with the Stonez he was saying all this same stuff about lead. But with freewill no one is that interested... So instead, he will try to force anglers to buy his products... In a similar fashion to what he does on his lake.
It all smacks of utter desperation to ram his product down peoples throat, if they want it or not.
If he gets lead banned, I would use every alternative available, EXCEPT his product.
What are the ramifications of all this? Lead ejection systems outlawed. No more lead clips for a start. This could have major implications for the large tackle manufacturers. It will also stop future investment in products. Who is going to spend fortunes bringing new products to the market when they could be banned on someone else's whim? How many lead makers will go out of business overnight? How many extra tackle shops will this put under? All holding large stock of paid for products, about to become banned, and useless.
Nothing is eating a 3oz lead. Nothing whatsoever. Our own drinking water comes to us in unlined lead pipes. So talk of contaminating drinking water is absolute garbage. Don't see anyone crying to have lead piping for drinking water removed from virtually every home in the country? Don't see anyone paying to have this work done on their own home themselves. Are the ducks more important than your own children?
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Needs a UK based company to invest going down this route, they're not going to cast great distances with them being gripper style but if they can design them in grippers I wouldn't imagine a distance casting shape would be too hard to sort out, Eco options are out there at fairly reasonable prices in Europe the shipping kills it getting them to the UK in any volume.
If you hit the read more below the short description its interesting that they say the weight is heavier per cm3 than all other lead alternatives and can be fished out with a magnet as well as take on the liquids/flavours etc.. 100 gram is circa 3.5oz
LINKY POO™ https://www.muziker.co.uk/eco-sinkers-grippa-swivel-100g
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Is this the same bloke that only allows you to fish his lake if you submit to his will of using his bait and his terminal tackle? Now he's making a big hoo haa to get lead banned? When he sells an alternative? Wow.
As has already been pointed out, all of your houses, the water comes to you through lead pipes. So it's okay for you, or your children and grandchildren to ingest daily for their whole lives? But it's not okay to use as a fishing weight? Really???
He is also making a big hoo haa about certain practices on weedy waters of dropping the lead? Wow. Where does this lead to? Weedless barren lakes next, just so he can sell some extra Stonez?
In the world we live in today, we are never far away from fishing being stopped altogether. Yet we have people 'within' who will facilitate this with the antis and give them all the information that they need for their own personal gain? I agree with others, the bloke is an absolute grade A idiot.
I have nothing really against lead being banned. What I do take great aversion to is anglers from within our pastime with a financial interest who start causing big problems for us. This is a very slippery slope. Ask yourself this.... If he did not sell an alternative, do you think he would be doing this? That statement is clearly having a dig at the other terminal tackle manufacturers. He also very cleverly leaves out the fact that he sells an alternative in that statement too.
Cockwomble sums it up perfectly who ever said that!
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In reply to Post #23
never happen, and the fact I am still using lead shot that was banned sooo many years ago, and more can be bought at near enough every car boot sale, i could'nt care less.
And how will it even be enforced, its not even as though my rod licence is checked?
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Is lead really an issue? Majority of leads are coated in plastic, which stops the lead even touching the environment. The plastic then becomes an issue does it not for decades, if it ever degrades to a point that the lead then interacts with the environment. I say if it ever does because encased in silt for example the breakdown time of the plastic will be elongated further.
Still think alternatives should be researched but in the face of it, rarely a carp lead is used that’s uncoated lead, not in this country anyway. IF the REACH stuff is enforced in the UK, is coating a lead not just a workaround anyway?
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In reply to Post #1
Good, about time. I've voiced my opinion on leads before. Can you imagine in all honesty trying to justify to a anti campaigner the chucking of ozs of lead into waters to catch a fish, even worse ensuring the lead drops off each time.
Dinsmore have had lead free out there for how long, we'll priced too. Density v size, if we'd never had lead you'd know no better, so it's a moot point and the fish won't care, but you might lose a few yards on the cast....big deal.
Anglers should be demanding change, not waiting for laws to force us, and tackle companies should take the lead, its embarrassing in this day and age!
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In reply to Post #20
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In reply to Post #16
Thats ok, everyone will be using bait boats soon so wont need to worry about casting 🤣
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In reply to Post #17
Massive difference in densities, so a concrete weight would be considerably bigger.
Concrete 2.3 grams per cubic centimeter
Steel 7.85 g per cubic centimeter
Lead 11.34 grams per cubic centimeter
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In reply to Post #17
Only £2.80 for a 4oz weight, you won't be dropping those buggers will you. Doesn't state size either. I'm sure they are an excellent product. Very expensive, and you will have to buy every other item to accommodate their use. I'm hsving to work beyond retirement age already, I will have to pack this lark in if it gets much more expensive.
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In reply to Post #16
Not necessarily true
https://www.total-fishing-tackle.com/evolve-tackle-flat-pear-in-line-weight?ps=MjE0PTMxMDI=&srsltid=AfmBOorqRG_NDQx9z2cjSyODkvZNhSOQj9M5J-aDn62IJeXyq4PaOBUTnKs#214=3102
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In reply to Post #9
They won't be as dense, therefore won't cast as far due to the aerodynamics, they will be vastly more expensive, pushing our pastime further into the realm of a rich man only hobby.
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I had one of the stone type weights given to me once, what a load of ***** it was.
Too light and flew all over the spot, nearly ended up in next doors swim
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In reply to Post #2
The bloke is a Cockwomble.
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In reply to Post #1
He's a proper sausage 
Always shouting about the evils of lead wherever he can, and he magically markets an alternative product... 
I'd never touch a pallatrax product.
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In reply to Post #11
It doesn't matter what ECHA say. It has no relevance to UK REACH.
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It seems that the concern from fishing weights is purely one of ingestion.
quote from European chemical agency
"Lead fishing tackle is also frequently lost during use and can poison birds in the same way as lead gunshot and bullets, if ingested. Some contemporary fishing practices encourage the deliberate release of lead sinkers to water (called ‘dropping the lead’)."
Do birds really pick up and ingest weights of 2oz+? I thought this had been alleviated with the banning of lead weights of less than 1.1oz
The proposals covering fishing.
Lead in fishing:
ban on the sale and use of lead sinkers and lures (with transition periods depending on weight: ≤ 50 g three years; > 50 g five years);
immediate ban on the sale and use of lead fishing wire; and
immediate ban on the use of lead sinkers when the sinker is deliberately released (lead ‘drop off’ techniques).
I can see a point over banning lead core as the wire can break up and be ingested, but not for the larger weights. I really hope the Angling Trust fight our corner over this one.
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Wouldn't hold your breath lads....
EU REACH hasn't applied in the UK since brexit. Since brexit, the government demonstrated its commitment to health, safety and the environment by implementing 'UK REACH'.
Would anyone like to know how many chemicals have been added to the UK REACH SVHC (substance of very high concern) list since its inception?
None
We are miles behind lads. In that same period there's been loads of SVHCs added in Europe. The UK still uses carcinogenic flame retardants in manufacturing of furniture that have been banned in Europe for ages now. It'll be stuff like this that gets the attention once the UK decide to do something with UK REACH.... not fishing leads.
I'd also agree with other posters that Simon Pomeroy was thinking of just one thing when he brought lead in fishing to the attention of ECHA..... ££££££££. "Imo" of course.
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In reply to Post #7
"We" are currently going through something similar in shooting, with regards to the use of non toxic shot and rifle projectiles in the next 5 years.
Upto now, I've been in the against it camp... purely because the current crop of non toxic product offerings (ie copper/steel/etc) simply don't have the same lethality as traditional lead (IMHO), along with a few other issues relating to their suitability as an alternative.
..but when it comes to fishing weights? I'd probably be in favour!
Providing they were durable, and dense enough that they didn't now need to be twice the size or something else as daft, or cost 3 times as much.
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In reply to Post #7
No personal gain in that.
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In reply to Post #1
If only he would get as enthusiastic about doing something about the pollution / raw sewage being pumped into our rivers and waterways.
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In reply to Post #2
You can absolutely guarantee it would be implemented with lunatics Miliband and Starmer at the helm.
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No conflict of interest with Pallatrax 'stonzes' then.
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What doesn't damage the environment lol...everything.
I only drop leads when my water gets really weedy as higher chance of landing fish obviously and no need otherwise but a few leads buried in silt in a big expanse of water wont do any harm surely. I saw those evolve tackle lead alternatives at the show. They wouldn't tell me what they were...top secret apparently 🤣 too secret to save the environment obviously!
People still have lead pipes going into their houses so 😬
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In reply to Post #1
This guy has a vested interest in banning it as the owner of palertrax if I'm not mistaken ? As we haven't really left the EU I can see this being implemented here but I will not buy anything from his company as there will be plenty of alternatives.
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Just seen this post from Simon Pomeroy on Facebook
**BREAKING NEWS REFERENCE LEAD BAN**
A controversial topic for some but a real 'no brainer' to me as the facts have been there for years.
I have just received the EU Commissions recommendations to the REACH evaluation into lead in angling from research completed by the European Chemicals Agency.
I am very pleased to see that their recommendations are that there will be a phase out ban of lead angling weights.
I am also very happy to see that the recommendation in regards to purposefully ejectioning leads will be banned from 6 months of the legislation being enacted. I bought this practice to the attention of ECHA and they were, rightly so, horrified that such a reckless act was being promoted by the industry.
It is also, on several levels, positive to see that products containing a concentration of 1% of lead or more must come with the following warning clearly displayed.
WARNING: This product contains lead which is very toxic to the environment and may damage fertility, or the unborn child.
The time is here, has been for years, for the industry to do the right thing and go over to the readily available non toxic options like the following companies have already done:
Nutrabaits, Dinsmores, Energofish, Evolve Tackle, Lead Free, UFO and so many more.
If the UK industry ignores such a stark warning you really have to question their agendas?
If anyone would like any further information, especially concerned fisheries, please feel free to contact me.
Kind regards. Simon.
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