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In reply to Post #37
Cheers mate, must admit I didn't realise it was there
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In reply to Post #36
ESP YouTube video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o78eCXiXl8A
Chapter 15 in his book 'Through The Mist'
Rick Golder & Mark Dean (Kodak) have written about the lake over the years too - mainly in Big Carp mag back in the 00's.
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In reply to Post #30
where was his article printed? thanks
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In reply to Post #33
That’s the one
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In reply to Post #32
you're right - I missed that out - I think he got them from the netting of local lake via a local pet shop or something?
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In reply to Post #30
Is that the one that had a fish in called the little Grey? Tel done a vid on it.. 
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In reply to Post #31
I think thar lake in Kent. Was Chris Haswell garden pond..  
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fungus mirrors were in wraysbury 1.
dave lane wrote about them in Obsession. from memory, in 1995 they were stocked on the quiet from a lake in kent as there had been a lot of furore around new stockings after the fish kill on Horton a couple of years before. just after they went in, they appeared in the finger bays with white growths all over them that looked like fungus & some of them died. I think most of the ones that did get caught ended up being moved to the diving lake, however approx 5 remained including King Fungus that went on to approx 50lbs
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In reply to Post #25
Morris’s or Morrisons sometimes called
Run by Fox guys, Tell wrote about his fishing on there
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In reply to Post #27
Apparently they came from his pond the Fungus mirrors? He sold or gave Ian welch the fella that run RMC the Carp from his pond when he moved house.
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In reply to Post #13
There is a piece in Mike Willmotts second book where he discusses the source of the Mere fish with the guy that fished there in the eighties prior to even Jason, Alan etc. There was an even bigger mirror then known as Kinky that never got caught but was found dead. I'm sure that the BM was thought by him to have been stocked in by Kenny Hodder from Wraysbury 2, though it obviously could have been a Thames fish prior to this.
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I'm sure I read in Happy Haswell's book that Fungus and maybe a couple of others came from someone's pond.
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In reply to Post #25
I am not sure - that's the first time I have ever seen anyone give it a name - I always knew it as the Linear Syndicate & it has always been very private.
There were a few local rumors about where some of those fish came from back then (we're talking almost 40 yers ago) - certainly not from floods 
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In reply to Post #24
slightly on the same topic link, was the lake behind fox pool known as 'murphys'?
Used to have a ticket when I was a kid for it and fished for pike, full of snags, run by a club called 'wagtails'?
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I have caught a few fish with snub nose defects like that one from rivers over here - almost like a cleft lip (none of them as dark as that). They only seem to come from specific stretches but there are often more than one with that type of deformity in the area. I can think of 3 stretches off the top of my head but I can't remember catching many elsewhere.
They are all completely wild fish, 100% born in the river & all from areas with little or no angling pressure but there are certainly boats present so there could have been pollution when they were younger.
With respect to Thames escapees in the lakes in the area - you are probably right. I fished some very private AJ Bull pits (now filled in) at the bottom of the valley in the mid 80's, not too far from the mere & it was accepted that the 'originals' were all river fish that had made their way in during floods. I only caught a couple over the years - only mid-doubles, but they were both heavily scaled & looked like wild mirrors I see over here - gnarly, dark, spiky fins etc.
I seem to remember someone telling me that they thought the Mere Linear came from Colnbrook & they had seen a picture of it at a much smaller weight from years before from the lagoon which was renowned for flooding & of course, very close to the Thames.
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In reply to Post #21
This Thames common is a spawned in the Thames original Midlandman. It had the curtain top and bottom still intact. The deformity on the top lip is a Thames kink. It's not from being caught. It's had that from birth. Photo is 25 years old, a scan of a print.
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In reply to Post #20
I am talking about the B&W photos of Gerry's Taplow fish from the 60's & 70's. Not much later stockings that might have happened mate.
The big fully and scaly ones in Summerleaze all looked so much like Thames fish it was unreal. Length, scale patterns, dippy backs. It's literally right on the banks of the Thames, along with Taplow.
The reason no one will admit where the BM came from is also so telling.
Carp fishing is always romanticised. Where the fish actually came from. The Burghfield common is a perfect example.
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In reply to Post #19
I have also caught river fish (not Thames) with the exact same fin ‘deformities’. You could be on to something.
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In reply to Post #17
That’s interesting, though I thought there were sticking records for Taplow and Sunmerleaze? Who knows….apart from the sadly departed Chris Ball, so little is known about these matters, in the public eye at least.
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In reply to Post #18
Quote....who knows, I spent weeks and weeks fishing with Dave & his talk of moving fish in that area back in the day was no surprise
Your friend Dave Ball the Thames angler 
I will repeat.... Don't care what anyone says. In my opinion that flat lobe on the tail was a spawned in the river Thames kink. You only see these kinks in Thames fish. It's diesel from the boats effecting the eggs before the eggs hatch. Leads to deformities.
If that lobe was broken when it was moved, it would heal and regenerate. That's what their tails do, rapidly too. IMO that flat lobe is good enough proof for me that the BM was an ex Thames carp. Those old Thames fish had the capacity to grow big in pits.
So many pits seeded by the Thames. No one is ever going to admit it as I said before. I'm only talking about it as you brought it up. I've always had that opinion, and have written it elsewhere. You mentioning your friend the Thames angler regarding this just kinda confirms that too.
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In reply to Post #17
who knows, I spent weeks and weeks fishing with Dave & his talk of moving fish in that area back in the day was no surprise, maybe my memory is clouded by smoke, but fish were deffo added to a few lakes around there. I even remember hearing of fish moving between old Leisure Sport Staines and other waters across the road
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In reply to Post #10
Sam's never mentioned the Mere to me Matt, and we have spoken about that stuff so much while fishing or just chewing the fat.
I would put all the money I have taken from the Manila casinos in the past two nights on the fact that the BM was an ex Thames fish. Just look at it. No one will ever admit it. So it's totally pointless even talking about it. Like so many Thames flood plain lakes that were fished by ex Thames carp anglers.
That flat lobe on the tail was a spawned in the Thames 'kink' IMO, I've seen a few of those kinks.
The Thames stocked some of the best lakes we ever knew. Look at the Summerleaze fish. Clear as the grass is green and the sky is blue Thames carp. It's within spitting distance of the river. I had this exact convo with the dearly departed Gerry (OldGeezer) about the Taplow carp he used to catch. Talk of Leney, talk of this, talk of that. Taplow and Summerleaze would have been stocked in floods like Sonning. Other lakes within close distance to the river, but impossible to get flooded into, also saw Thames carp.
Taplow is on the banks of the Thames, within walking distance of Summerleaze. So many of those lakes with the most proper fish carp fishing has ever known, were seeded from the mighty Thames in my humble opinion.
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In reply to Post #13
It was.
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In reply to Post #13
He was involved in moving fish all around there with Barry M
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In reply to Post #10
I thought that was Wraysbury?
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In reply to Post #10
I read the article, saw the photos, where, I can't recall, was it posted on the old Cemtex forum ?
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In reply to Post #10
Interesting - where can we read this?
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In reply to Post #9
the old sage Dave Ball was involved with moving fish into the mere back in the day with Barry M, Barry's son Sam recently wrote about it with pics showing fish being moved iirc
That whole area was a haven for fish movement and 'guesting'. Personally had some cracking fish from that area fishing at the time 'free' waters, The Heron, disabled pit, old yeovenly etc
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In reply to Post #7
IIRC nobody ever knew where the BM came from. It was two of the other mirrors that came from there.
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In reply to Post #7
It was all legal back in the day. Imagine what the history waters would have been like if o people hadn’t been seeding waters!
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In reply to Post #6
It was Roy Johnson who ran the Alders club who bought the Redmire commons.
I've also heard that the black mirror came from Bedfont lake. How I don't know. It wouldn't of been legal what ever way..
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In reply to Post #2
Redmire commons all came from Alders Trout Lake.
Sir Pete & Ritchie Mac talked about it on a Korda podcast a couple of years ago. Alders bought a load of fingerlings from Redmire in the early 80’s & they took them from there when they went down & fished Johnsons.
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Not watched the video, read about it in TH and DL books, magical water at the time with incredible fish, a very special moment in time, how lucky they all were to wet a line in that place 
These days, likely to never be repeated again sadly 
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In reply to Post #1
Short answer is nobody knows for sure. Thompsons and The Linear both from bedfont, Swiss Roll raised from an egg. Others from Redmire via Wraysbury 2, possibly Yeoveny as well.
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The black mirror came from Bedfont.
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In reply to Post #1
I believe a few of the commons that were in there came from Redmire. Apparently Pete Springate and his mate Kenny hodder sowed a few lakes in the area. As for the Black mirror your guess us as good as mine.. there the rumours anyway. I know Jason Hayward pops on here from time to time. If anyone will, he will.
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Hi , just watched Jason Heyward on you tube about his exploits on the Mere , fascinating but was wondering where the fish in the Mere came from ??
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