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thanks everyone. Ill stick with current rigs and worry about it less 
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I've done a lot of river carping and I agree with what's been said about not worrying too much about which way the rig is laying.
My experience with river carp is that they are not rig shy. Finding them is 90% of the challenge. Also, I believe that the silvers play ping pong with the boilie before big fish enter the swim - so which way the rig is laying is anyone's guess, unless the river is pushing through fast.
The vast majority of my captures came during darkness and once the tide was on the turn, low tide especially (i.e. tide has gone out and there's a pause before it starts heading back in)
I preferred to back lead as close to under my rod tip as I could, if the line went out from the edge a yard or so I would be waking up to 3 rods beeping/clicking as I got wiped out (yet again) by a 30ft wide raft of floating seaweed.
Other highlights have included:
a dead cow which would go past with each tide, up...then down. Up...then downstream.
a 20min battle with a pallet on an incoming tide. I didn't want to lose the leader etc etc so would hold it in the flow, gradually gaining line as i slowly managed to lift the rod to vertical, then a few turns on the reel at which point I would nearly get flat rodded.
I did love my time on the river, I would go back for more but the farmer stopped anglers from driving across the fields...this little trip down memory lane has brought back some fond memories, I am going to create a thread and post some photos rather than spam this thread up further.
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I wish you the best of luck with your river campaign mate
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In reply to Post #6
Depends on the flow, if you cast out like I said, watch what direction the lead moves in, that will tell you which way things are moving. Do it regular whilst the tide is changing
If it bothers you that much you could try a 2 foot fluro hooklength
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thanks folks ... so no-one thinks its likely or a problem for the rig to be moved back towards the lead/leader/mainline?
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I don't belive is a rig problem. Might worth tryin baitdropper or korum bait dropper rocket to allow your freebies reach the bottom near your traps.
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In reply to Post #1
Two leads on a leader so pinned down. Pva on heli rig etc
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In reply to Post #1
Don’t know the river so can’t comment, stupid question, does the flow stop and it’ flattens off or can you see it going the other way, upstream? Watch the debris.
Me personally I would just go with a standard set up, don’t know the flow, say 3 foot minimal hook length. I would not use a pop up either but each to their own. First thing for me would be to use a bait what you have total confidence in and then experiment with hooklength lengths when the tide changes and see what you get if it concerns you 
Another thing you could try, use a lighter lead, no rig or bait, that cant hold bottom and see which way it moves the lead, what’s happening on the surface may not be on the bottom. That should answer your question on the flow direction
Edit - another thing to try, when the tide changes try the far bank margins, gives the fish access to food they can’t get to when the levels rise. I found this by chance, barbel topping and rolling in numbers! It is known with tide rises and lots of boat traffic though
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In reply to Post #1
I am not sure there will be too much of an issue - I have fished 'upstream' plenty of times & never found it makes a difference with bites.
One thing I have been doing on the rivers for the last few years is incorporating a sub float on my leader to keep the line up off the bottom & stop it being dragged into weeds, rocks, snags, I fish a leader approx 3-4ft long & leave it free running - definitely helped with keeping the bow out of the line & helped with fish losses. May help you with this too?
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Hi folks ... Currently being beaten up by a river (when I say currently, I mean last 3 years!  ). So many more things to consider, obstacles to overcome etc etc ..... But bit by bit I am getting there. it is my little piece of heaven ,away from the circus and so I keep going back for more!
My latest head**** is trying to work out best way to present a bait when fishing directly into a tide on a moderate flowing river. Holding bottom isn't a problem but my concern with any standard length rig (especially pop up) is the bait and hooklink being moved back up towards, and sitting parallel with the leader. it's difficult to experiment due to how rare a fish is.
My success rate is so bad I need to change something. My gut feeling is short chod rigs with beads locking the hook length. Make sense? .... Is there better options for a pop up rig? or am I over thinking. Also any suggestions for bottom bait rig for these circumstances that I may not of considered (apart from fishing 3oz weighted hook baits )
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