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CityKoi
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CityKoi
   Old Thread  #21 18 Jan 2025 at 3.51pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #8
Not if you loop it from the other end. Can pretty much get away with tiny loops...as hook size is irrelevant
Mr-Bean-Laden
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Mr-Bean-Laden
   Old Thread  #20 14 Jan 2025 at 11.44am  0  Login    Register
Albright the two materials and then a Snell knot to the hook. can get a soft section that is only a few mm
yask0
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yask0
   Old Thread  #19 24 Dec 2024 at 8.20pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #18
I saw it for first time in old Duncan de Gruchy video for Angling Lines.
Baitman
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Baitman
   Old Thread  #18 24 Dec 2024 at 7.52pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #17
The counterbalance shot on the tag end is something I first saw in Carpworld in an old Keith Moors article.
I have used it a few times for pop ups and it works great.
yask0
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yask0
   Old Thread  #17 24 Dec 2024 at 7.43pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #16
PB Products KD Hook in size 4. Gardner Mirage 18 lb mainline used as Fluorocarbon section and random piece of braid (I believe it was from Decathlon, bought for test).
LINKY POO™ Picture

Pop up rig need to be a bit shorter, but I guess this is work in progress.
55s
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55s
   Old Thread  #16 24 Dec 2024 at 11.57am  0  Login    Register
My take was I used to be manic about getting the braid as short as possible, and about 10mm was about the most consistent I got, however and I have used this extensively over the last few years, I now look for at least an inch. The short ones are essentially a Ronnie but longer ones with a proper aligner I have found so much better. Enough pivot to allow a bottom feeding fish to take the bait in (a wafter for me) with a friggin great lump of putty on the knot. I don’t want the stiff boom in the mouth, I am now purely using as it allows very soft braid to be tangle proof.

The other thing that winds me up, and I have done it ! Is tying loops and Jonnie Mac style hook threading - for me this renders the best bits of the rig useless, even it 15lb braid you are using. 30lb hook section.

25lb boom with figure of 8 loop, Albright knot to Korda supernatural, size 10 barbless wide gape and short shrink tube aligner threaded with needle the proper way. Traditional braid hair with loop and putty over the knot to drop the hook.

I hand sharpen and ‘touch-up’ hooks and due to the size of the hooks on easier waters you usually get a couple of fish without the need to change rigs.

I am so against compromise as I get older, and the ability to change hooks (to me) compromises the efficiency of many rigs. I can easily tie 10 up in an hour at home, properly test them and sharpen them and given the low cost of hooks the short lengths of braid used and I am not over fussy on the boom section (trakker, fox, Korda) it’s a cheap rig to use all things considered.

Another hing I have learnt is shrink the tube before you sharpen the hook (as steam will rust sharpened hooks) dry thoroughly, coat tip in beeswax lip balm (I find this the cheapest best) pull tight to straighten on a rig board and job done. The Albright is a gift from the baby Jesus and it’s not just practice it’s about batch tying (for me) you need to fail a couple of times per batch to be confident that those on the boards are bullet proof.

God that’s a long waffling post to say don’t overthink the shortest section (imo)
Carew
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Carew
   Old Thread  #15 22 Dec 2024 at 9.30pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #13
I use that approach to make a combo multi rig
Ynnek
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   Old Thread  #14 22 Dec 2024 at 3.29pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #13
That is indeed the easiest and most repeatable manner
CharlieG
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CharlieG
   Old Thread  #13 22 Dec 2024 at 2.47pm  0  Login    Register
I found the easiest way to get a really short section is to join the 2 materials first. Then pull the braided section through the hook until the knot is butted up against the eye and then tie a whipping knot.
Squimp
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   Old Thread  #12 21 Dec 2024 at 8.25am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #11
I use an albright too and can get them pretty short - but the way the knot works you will always create some slack at the hook end.

One ‘cheat’ is to add a line aligner afterwards to close the ‘gap’ from the end of the nylon. Obviously different length line aligners are available.
yask0
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yask0
   Old Thread  #11 20 Dec 2024 at 3.41pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #10
I'm doing like you described. But when I tighten the knot supple part extend by few mm. I guess need more practice.
Jimmers532
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   Old Thread  #10 19 Dec 2024 at 8.51am  3  Login    Register
I use an Albright knot and can get them super short, the trick is to have the eye of the hook just through your loop of fluoro as you whip down with the braid, then before you pull the knot tight slide the knot right down to the hook keeping the Fluoro and braid tag end tight, then pull the knot tight, takes a little practice but that’s the best way I’ve found.
jack1welsh
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jack1welsh
   Old Thread  #9 19 Dec 2024 at 6.14am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #4
I use the Albright knot for combi rigs (pretty much all I use these days).
With some patience, less than 1cm is easily attainable.
A little tip - Put something over the point of the hook, it makes things easier (and less bloody
Belch
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Belch
   Old Thread  #8 16 Dec 2024 at 3.07pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
Loop and boom rig probably the easiest in terms of small braided hooklink length 'consistency' . . .crimped boom end loop or tie to oval / circular rig ring, doubled up braid (ensure you measure exactly the same length of braid every time before you double it over) with overhand knot at boilie stop end - this does not have to that accurate at this stage as once you've ascertained hair length just adjust the number of knotless knot wraps you make on the shank (more or less wraps) before pushing the braid back through the hook eye - job done.

Only limitation is hook size - the bigger the hook / shorter the supple section is, the harder it is to 'loop' onto the boom end as its restricted by the overall length of the hook. . .tbf with practice I reckon you could also get pretty short using standard Albright knot (giving you more hook end bait attachment options) but this takes patience and practice!
phil090781
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   Old Thread  #7 16 Dec 2024 at 10.22am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #6
Have you considered tying the combi with a loop and using it multi-slip D style? It should be possible to tie it pretty short with practice.
yask0
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yask0
   Old Thread  #6 14 Dec 2024 at 3.35pm  0  Login    Register
I guess those knots have many names but I know them like this:

LINKY POO™ Albright
LINKY POO™ Alberto or Modified Albright

And for the Combination of materials vs Coated Braid. I guess is a confidence thing. I use them with Fluoro main line with Running setup.
kells
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kells
   Old Thread  #5 14 Dec 2024 at 10.39am  2  Login    Register
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Can't get my head round why people want to tie two diffrent materials together to form a hooklink. It's not like we've got enough knots between us and a hooked fish is it. Just adding another weak spot if you ask me. Why not just use a coated braid? If your looking for a stiff boom section I cant recommend Rigmarole Hydrolink strongly enough. They all achieve the same thing with out extra knotage. You can get the supple section as short as you want with ease. Just a thought...
phil090781
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   Old Thread  #4 13 Dec 2024 at 9.41pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #3
Albright?
yask0
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yask0
   Old Thread  #3 11 Dec 2024 at 7.49pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #2
Alberto knot
phil090781
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   Old Thread  #2 11 Dec 2024 at 7.08pm  0  Login    Register
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What knot are you using?
yask0
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yask0
   Old Thread  #1 11 Dec 2024 at 4.46pm  0  Login    Register
I wonder if there is a trick to tie very short section of supple braid for Combination rigs. I've managed to tie down to 1 - 2 cm but for pop ups I want to be even shorter.
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