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In reply to Post #22
Well Ivan Marks called it leam so that's good enough for me. Preferred the rivers myself. Trent Avon and the Nene. Odd trip to the Welland. Canals were only for when the rivers were in flood.
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In reply to Post #21
Almost redemption then  but your dates pretty much tally with mine. I seem to remember they were banned on a lot of places. I miss those big matches on the canals, every weekend miles of anglers!
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In reply to Post #18
Just checked. Same thing seems some now call it loam.
Was always leam back in my match fishing days. Mid to late 80's
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In reply to Post #19
 
Yep, my grey matter is losing its retention power and the gardener in me is more recent.
I couldn't afford joker & bloodworm, or should I say my dad refused to buy it, it was pinkies or squats in winter, even castors were off the list. Oddly even as a adult I never used them either and now I'd probably need a magnifying glass
EDIT, Talking of magnifying glasses, I'm due to christen my new swing tip rod soon, better take glasses for those hooks 
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In reply to Post #18
no it's leam, a slightly damp heavy soil used to add weight to groundbait,or if your fishing bloodworm and joker you can fish a double leam mix with black and grey leam, this will bind well to get the bloodworm to the bottom with no food content. depending on the depth yiu can alte the ratio on how fast the balls break down.
loam we used to put on our cricket square at the end of the season.
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In reply to Post #17
Do you mean loam? Crikey where that came from I don't know but fixed in the old grey matter it is
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A stiff white crumb mix with a small amount of pea gravel in it. Even add some grey leaf ( I think it is can't remember for sure)
If it is grey leam mix it direct with the chopped worm but you would need a lot of it without the crumb. Or a method mix with demerara sugar in it to stiffen it up all the more. Again add some pea gravel.
The biggest problem is not so much the depth but the size of the water.
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In reply to Post #14
Sorry, don’t see it.
A large “cannonball” of ground bait,or if you don’t want any other attractant, soil as otherwise stated, will sink like a stone in 16 foot of water, straight down in an instant. We are talking about some undertow on a lake not a rip tide on an Atlantic coastline. If it’s such a strong current then it’s pointless as the bottom will be scoured clean by the current anyway
Still it’s your situation, so you have all the facts, but you may be over complicating it 👍
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A old hack to get ground bait balls down quicky, mold it round a big stone.
EDIT, might not work so well with worms though 
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In reply to Post #11
Because in 16/18ft t of water on a 100 acre pit in strong wind ,you could be dropping you bait on the h block and it could end up miles away . Not making things complicated just eliminating as much error as possible.
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In reply to Post #10
In reply to post #10 and #12, see post 2 
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In reply to Post #10
Was going to post the same. On deep rivers we’ve been using custom made ‘spoppers’ for years that cast like spombs, sink then open when they hit the bottom. The Korum boppers were the first commercially made ones. Lowering from a boat onto a spot would be a doddle.
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What happened to good old fashioned ground bait ‘cannonballs’ dropped from a boat.
Simple and effective. Why do carpers always make things over complicated 
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In reply to Post #1
What about the korum Boppers have a look on you tube see how it works
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In reply to Post #8
just be cautious where you collect the molehill soil from, dogs love to piss on molehills, I don't know why so be mindful of that if you go to a local park field to collect it
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In reply to Post #4
That's the bollox mate
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Pack them into large PVA bags along with a heavy groundbait.
But there is also a simple method that sea anglers use when out in a boat dropping "Rubby Dubby" that can be modified to use from a Baitboat which I have used in the past over the yearsfor putting a lot of particles or boilies on the bottom in a very tight patch.
Get a large plastic bag and tie your line to the bottom of the inside of the bag by just making a "tuck" inside the bag and tie your line around it tight, you do not want to lose it, fill it with your bait and some heavy groundbait enough to sink the bag, and put it in the hopper in the normal way (do not secure the top of the bag, it wants to be left open. Send the boat out, drop the bag on the spot and let it sink freely without any tension on the line. It will sink vertically as the line will act like drouge trailing behind. If you do not want to use groundbait etc to add weight, use a 4oz lead etc and put that into the "Tuck" in the bottom of the bag and tie your line round that. Experiment first that your chosen weight will sink the bag, otherwise it will float.
Water pressure will collapse the bag and nothing will come out as it sinks, when it stops sinking, give it a tug and wind in fast and the action of winding in will open the bag inside out spilling everthing out.
In fact, if you read up on "Rubby Dubby" you will see how it works in principle and they even sell bags for it, bit big for carping though.
As with PVA bags and sticks etc, stick a bit of rig foam etc in and see where it pops up and that will give you a clue if your on the spot or well off it and adjust accordingly.
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In reply to Post #5
I thought that was a delux twig system
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In reply to Post #1
I have posted this before but couldn't find the thread, I have had one of these for years for using from a boat to get bait to the bottom quickly over deep water, I have para cord tied to it and secured to the boat encase it slips through the hands when wet and lowering down pretty expensive to replace around 50 odd quid, they're made for sea fishing when anchored or drifting.
They're still on ebay but it wont let me add a direct link, would take around a kilo of bait loaded.
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In reply to Post #1
molehill soil, common tactic on rivers and canals with matchmen.
Have a walk round a farmers field, I used to collect it in a bucket, take it home riddle it. if it's too dry when you come to use use it use an atomiser to spray it to dampen it down.
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Balls of soil dropped from the boat.
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In reply to Post #1
If you can use a row boat then use a bait dropper, or spopper as used by barbel anglers.
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I want to try drop some chopped worms down onto a spot , the lake is a very large windswept pit . I can use a boat but think undertow and wind drift would just mean very little would land near the mark.Any suggestions? Would they work in pva stocking or bags ?
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