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In reply to Post #37
www.sshooks.co.uk
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Does jason have his own website for ordering hooks?
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In reply to Post #28
Jason,
What do you find to be the best Chod hooks?
I keep flitting between types.
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The hook is one of, if not the most critical items we use. The Rolls Royce of hooks (Jason’s) are still relatively inexpensive.
I’ve seen people recommend cheap hooks from the likes of Bank so gave them a try. They’re rubbish, inconsistent points with at least 1/3 being dull.
A few extra quid is a no brainier for me.
To the OP, I also rate JP hooks, only sharpened in one plane but this gives the opportunity to touch up the sides when the point dulls. Decent range of patterns, really like their straight point chod hook.
Like Yonny I found IB hooks overdone. Some were very sharp but taken to a point where too much material had been taken off. This was a good few years ago now though.
I’ve found Jason’s to be the most consistent. I used his long shanks for a good while but now use his sharpened ESP Trig Hammers as I prefer the pattern.
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In reply to Post #33
Ive recently this year started using Jasons hand sharpened hooks, mainly mugga, and have found them to be excellent.i deffo have had more fish on the bank and put it down to more pick ups turning into runs, for a couple of quid per packet extra is deffo worth the extra.
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I always use Gardner muggas sharpened by Jason. Never let me down since I moved onto them
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In reply to Post #31
Always remember someone saying about Rod Hutchinson. If he paid as much attention to the quality of his end tackle as he did to his bait. His catches would of been of this planet...  
Those you've mentioned having the sharpest of hooks on the end of there line wouldn't of been top of there priority list. Would it of effected there catch rate, probably.. would they of cared? .... probably not..
I for one have a JAG file and eye loop. Bought of the back of Jason's envolvement with JAG at the time. Tried it a few times. Couldn't get them any sharper than the hooks already were. Both file and loop are sitting in a box somewhere in me garage. Doubt they will see the light of day any time soon.
Playing the percentage game. A sharp a hook as you can possibly use will in my opinion catch you more fish. I suppose it comes down to how much you want it. And how much effort your willing to put in.
I for one am happy with me ESP hammers. One of the many out the packet sharp hooks out there. Lovely long slim point. But wouldn't be adverse to having a go with a hand Sharpened one. If the likes of Jason does them. Will have to have a look in the Tacklebox at Dartford next time I'm down that way. 
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In reply to Post #30
Well done, it took real skill and guile. Must be your sharp hook.
What you have to consider is that some people take fishing a bit too seriously. In fact, waaaaaaaay too seriously. Glad I obviously left an impression 😘
I once had the pleasure of fishing in between Rod, Mally, Bob Baker and Albert. Some of the finest fishing minds there ever were. And if you think blunt hooks were ridiculous, you would have been shocked by some of the theories flying around, but it may have been the red…… 😂
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In reply to Post #16
Didn't take much time or effort to flush you out did it ?
So you do use blunt hooks then, thus going against the entire ethos of a fishing hook ?
After all, if you've tried it and can vouch for its success..... 
@jamie now, I don't know what your mate was doing, but if he caught, it suggests to me, he was using sharp hooks, not blunt ones.
I think it's safe to say that blunt hooks don't catch many fish and the fad will never catch on, you don't need much in the way of cognitive ability to know that without going down the route of experimentation.
But some will still argue. 
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In reply to Post #28
Thank you for the reply, it is very helpful
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Thank you for your kind words guys! 🙏
Just trying to be helpful, but if it’s taken as spamming or advertising then please delete this post!
For you lads asking about Wide gapes there is 3 on the market that are outstanding, I’m mainly talking about size 4’s here (the biggest sellers) and I’m talking about when sharpened of course!
In NO particular order though….
1. My own Wide gapers. (Yes I would say that!)
2. Korda Wide gape X
3. ESP Claw Hammer.
They are all extremely trustworthy patterns and have been described as “evil and brutal” by some of customers.
The ESP is probably the strongest out the 3 but is also the heaviest and we don’t all need a mega strong/heavy hook.
Any questions you have, ping me an email and I’ll get back to you when I can!
You pay ya money and take your choice!
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In reply to Post #26
I've tried the Ultra-Sharp Wide Gapers and the Grippa's, both for zigs. Both decent.
He'll do any brand/pattern you want if you send them over, or there's a few widely available from the shops (Johnson Ross do the TA and Korda wide gape patterns).
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In reply to Post #25
I would like an answer to this as well, I would happy switch to Jason's or another company if I knew they were recommended.
J. Precision sold out all the time
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My favourite hook pattern is a widegape has anyone any experience of widegape patterns sharpened by jason or jasons own widegape pattern?
I have used a lot of the j precision widegapes in size 4 but they are often out of stock so looking for a good alternative?
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In reply to Post #23
Noted 
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In reply to Post #22
Well found, Cam/Karlos
wac - I've tried all of the sharpened options out there. Not because I'm displeased with Jasons, rather that I'm always interested in observing the results of different sharpening techniques. In the last 5 years (maybe even 10) the only hooks I've been prepared to cast out without any additional work/sharpening are Jasons. Just make sure you're not cutting your nose off to spite your face is what I'm saying fella.
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In reply to Post #19
what an effin div
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In reply to Post #4
I've been sharpening my own hooks for over 10 years now , but the best I've used and got the fish to prove it are Jason Haywood's, top notch.
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Rumbled
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Hi Matt.
I do not think I went over the top at all.....I simply asked you (without name calling as you have done) simple questions to why you regularly sent us dozens of email enquiries (over a long period of time) of which we always courteously and quickly responded to but then you never got back to us.....
Also you haven't answered why you emailed us on Sunday at 7.51pm asking for a price list but then post on here 8 minutes later at 7.59pm saying my products are now not as good (IMHO). Don't you think that is odd behaviour?
(I will happily post screen shots of all your emails and post them on here for everyone to see if you cannot remember sending them or you think I am lying or being a conspiracy theorist?)
Given the above, can't you see that some people might consider that you were deliberately wasting our time?
Forum? Yes you stated an opinion and I responded as its my business which I care passionately about....I simply asked you these questions as it seemed we may have upset you, or you had an ulterior motive or are you one of those people that get some sick satisfaction about mucking people about and wasting their time (which is what you have done on many occasions)
I believe the term used is "punisher"
It's never good for any business that a customer decides not to use their products again but you never once questioned or complained to us?
IMHO I really can't say I am sorry you are taking your custom elsewhere, in fact it will free up more time and will make my life and Samantha's who deals with the ordering much easier! LOL.
Anyway.... You have said you are moving on and I will do the same and consider the matter closed, but I will always vigorously defend my reputation and my businesses.
Regards,
Jason Hayward.
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In reply to Post #13
Hi Jason,
I think you have gone slightly over the top with your response, I never implied they were bad just not as good as a few years ago, this was discussed with a friend who thought the same yesterday. It is a forum where people can debate and discuss. I also stated in my opinion or am I not allowed to voice this anymore? Just because you do not like this opinion does not make it any less valid or incorrect!
Thank you for your products and I confirm that I have used them very successfully in the past, however following your wild conspiracy theories and slightly melodramatic response I will look elsewhere.
Thanks
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In reply to Post #12
And don't forget using gravel as a hookbait. We all try and find the gravel areas as carp feed on them - maybe it's the gravel they are after? Although it might have been Hutchie that started that one, same as fishing in the trees at night as carp roost overnight. And are you saying you know more than Hutchie? People saying it was because they couldn't cast accurately as they were pissed when they got back from the pub were just throwing a blind.....
Don't knock it, etc 
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In reply to Post #12
Keebs was the member that suggested the blunt hook theory. No matter how mad you think it sounds, he still managed to clump them. I witnessed him catch a few on the blunt hook when everyone around him was blanking on a day out with him, while most others were blanking. it wasn't blunt as much as it wasn't pin sharp.
he had some very innovative ideas - the coiled stiff rig that mean the bait always sat close to the lead that meant the bait had exactly the same amount of movement, whichever direction the fish approached it from.
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I’ve used Jason’s products for around a decade now, right back to the early days of making the service available, so can speak with a sensible level of long term user review. Absolutely zero alteration in quality of sharpening from day dot until today and, I would argue, amongst the best (if not the best) customer service around.
Despite some special requests over the years (sending my own hooks, plus ordering others within the same order, and bait) I have never once received an incorrect order within all that time. Always delivered well packaged and within timescale too. Also, in my mind, the products have 100% made an improvement to numbers of fish on the bank, and sometimes putting fish on the bank that in reality I may not have landed (hookholds in heavy weed etc.)
The company are top drawer and come highly recommended. Reputation is everything in this game and all you’ll get via Jason and Sam are absolutely superb products, and zero BS!
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In reply to Post #1
I am sorry Matt that you feel my products are not as good as they used to be, and that is something I completely refute as I can assure you I take the same care that I always have with every order.
Yes our order books are bulging and I believe this is because of our quality of products and attention to detail and treating all customers (Trade or direct) with the same care and respect.
A couple of things don't quite sit "right" with you posting you are not happy though????
Why did you email us asking for a stock/price list on Sunday 29th September at 7.51pm? And then post up on here at 7.59pm 8 minutes later that evening!!!!
Samantha replied to you later that evening but you have not replied at all? That seems a very strange thing to do as you are not happy?
Previously you have emailed us on NUMEROUS occasions asking for a stock/price list and you never reply and just disappear?
You have emailed us on many other occasions asking specific questions about bait...hooks.... availability etc and you almost never reply and just disappear?
You have emailed many times since 2014 and asked us to price up orders for you, which have always done quickly and politely you have only ever placed a few orders and very often you do not reply?
Previously we have given you your BCSG discount for your last order which was in June 2023.
You have NEVER contacted us saying you were not happy with any of our products?
Best regards,
Jason Hayward.
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Back in the day of Fishing Magic forum and the Black Forum, there was a movement proposing a blunt hook theory. Yes, blunt hook, suggesting that if the fish didn't feel a pointy thing they would feed with less caution. Or some madness like that....
There was even a vocal member there (also as vocal here) who suggested " don't knock it until you've tried it".
Where are they now ?
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In reply to Post #4
I've still got the original scripts you sent me Ian.
I'll have a word with Karlos and see if we can get them back up on the site
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In reply to Post #8
100% there mega sharp and you can see the material which have been removed, i cant work out how to upload pictures on the forum if not i would have put one on.
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In reply to Post #8
You sure you're looking at the right website?
Go to the hand sharpened hooks section of the shop.
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In reply to Post #3
Are IB hooks hand sharpened?
There website is a bit vague, it says one day turnaround for unsharpened hooks, but doesn't say how to get sharpened hooks?
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Have a look at carpers essentials elite hooks they don't need to be sharped in 40 + years of carp fishing top notch hooks and tackle Steve is a great bloke as well
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In reply to Post #5
Thanks will take a look.
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In reply to Post #4
Found it:
https://forum.carp.com/topic/25688-the-sharpened-hooks-thread/
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In reply to Post #1
A few years ago I did a comparison of off-the-shelf sharpened hooks by taking shots of hook points under a microscope and posted it on here. I think it was lost when the forum went down but I might have put it an another forum. I'll check and link here if I can find it.
Jason's were top of the tree, followed by the Kamakura's (despite their flaws) and the JP's. IB and Rig-it were shocking. This was a few years ago and things can change, but I still use Jason's.
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After using J Precsion for years I've just swapped over to IB Hooks and am very impressed.
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In reply to Post #1
J precision seem to still be sharp as long as you don't get the new ones with the blob near the eye.. I don't think they are hand sharpened..And the blobbed ones use a different metal
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Any suggestions about good people to try?
Used to use Jason Hayward but as he's got bigger they are not as good IMHO, J Precision are not great so looking for an alternative. Kamakura are my back up but quite a few per box need to be discarded as over sharpened.
Thanks
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