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In reply to Post #109
Interesting subject this , I'll start a new post in 'Bait' 👍
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In reply to Post #108
Ive been having great success washing out my baits in warm water mixed with honey i belive it was mark from shb that i first saw using it. Brilliant additive
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In reply to Post #103
I have been using honey on my bait, seems to work.
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The follow up video is due at 5pm if anyone is interested and didn't already know
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In reply to Post #105
"riggy pressured fish"
I'm quite lucky (depending on your pov), as in my case their neither of those.
"natural food ingredients"
Only the finest. 
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In reply to Post #104
If its high attraction based on chemical flavours then it isn't going to be enough to consistently fool riggy pressured fish.
If the extra attraction is based on natural food ingredients then it's oozing a proper food signal.
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The carp at the lake I'm fishing at the moment are preoccupied with naturals. I'm glugging & dusting my baits to create irresistible 'sweeties' to wean them onto. It seems to be working so I believe hi attract has it's place IMO. I think it depends on many different factors.
On pressured waters though, by NOT using a bright hookbait that's been glugged in sriracha for 2 years, could well be an edge.. 
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In reply to Post #102
Many of the commercial glugs and sprays are rubbish. Have you tasted them...
Slightly flavoured corn syrup, no real food signal at all.
My home made glugs are made from real food ingredients, soluble and semi soluble, baits with no preservatives, dried out then rehydrated with the glugs.
Also perfectly happy to use one out the bag if I'm fishing a spot regularly and it's had some bait.
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In reply to Post #96
That's the point, I've tried to tout my baits, but caught less than the unglugged one. If a boilie is made with good quality ingredients and well formulated there's anything you can add to improve it. There are bait without any flavour that caught more than all the commercial baits out there.
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In reply to Post #98
Here's one of my chat gpt extracts:
A carp's gustatory (taste) system is highly developed, allowing it to detect and respond to dissolved chemical attractants in the water. Carp have taste buds not only inside their mouths but also on their lips, barbels, and even external surfaces like their gill rakers. This extensive distribution of taste receptors makes them highly sensitive to chemical cues in their environment.
How Carp Detect Taste:
Waterborne Chemicals: Carp can detect dissolved attractants (such as amino acids, betaine, and other feeding stimulants) as they pass over their external taste buds and through their gill rakers. This means they can "taste" substances in the water even before physically contacting food.
Physical Contact: Once a food item or particle is inhaled, taste buds inside the mouth provide further chemical analysis. If the food is deemed palatable, the carp will swallow it; if not, it can be ejected.
Barbels and Lips: The barbels, particularly those near the mouth, have a high density of taste receptors. These structures help the carp locate and evaluate potential food sources on the substrate before ingestion.
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In reply to Post #98
They're attracted to the colour, and yes, their mouth is full of taste receptors. Spend a few minutes chatting to chat gpt and you can learn loads about attractors, carp chemoreception and taste.
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In reply to Post #98
Yet there's others who use washed out baits to simulate bait that's not been eaten for a few days
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A couple of things that really shocked me how much liquids he puts on what he thinks is a great bait and why he thinks carp won’t eat bait that’s been on the bottom for a couple of days.
In regards to the hookbaits. The fish are attracted to the hookbait so can’t be that off putting and do fish taste things in their mouths?
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In reply to Post #96
Agreed. I've never felt the need to soak or do anything either.
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In reply to Post #87
As a hobbyist bait maker I think you may have a point, I've never been a fan of all those glugs sprays etc. Let the unadulterated boilie do the talking
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In reply to Post #94
In my mind, there's no doubt the bright ones work, but I think that's more of a visual thing than a gustatory thing. Once they mouth them they're rejected, but sometimes, the mouthing, with an efficient rig, is just enough to get a decent hook hold, most of the time it isn't, hence the low pick up to hooked ratio.
A decent tasting bait, on an equally efficient rig, which gives them a bit more rope, I personally think has a better chance of being taken further back in the mouth providing a greater chance of hooking.
But there's so many variables and exceptions is very hard to nail down the winning formula!
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In reply to Post #93
Has anyone else mentioned how it took the weather to change before they caught?
Heavy baiting in the spring is such a gamble and won’t often pay off.
And of course dovey will come in and catch one on a bright loaded pop up……cos it’s a mega tactic in spring!
I’m guessing that’s part 2 😉
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In reply to Post #87
That's a good point, especially when you remember tgat these fish are regularly given a diet of bland carp pellets. Maybe they dont like the mouthfeel of an overloaded hook bait.
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Give em a bait they really want, you'd catch on a bent pin.
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In reply to Post #87
Jason Hayward on a recent Korda podcast mentioned the very same thing. Maybe it's the high flavour levels and Flurosene based goos that are the problem. If they looked into the palability of there hook baits more rather than the rigs. They might get somewhere. 
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In reply to Post #88
Thanks for sharing.
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In reply to Post #87
They did use a standard bottom bait (with a bit of cork in it) match the hatch, none glugged.
I have to agree though, high attract can also put off, and I bet most do the same, me included most of the time now!
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Controversial, but I wonder how a nicer tasting bait would have faired rather that those Goo soaked hookbakts. Perhaps the carp get them just enough in their mouth to taste them and reject them, sometimes they get hooked most times they don't. A better tasting bait may get sucked further back for eating before being rejected with more chance of a better hook hold.
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In reply to Post #85
I wouldn't know.
I must have been asleep during that part..
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In reply to Post #84
So
Shot on the hook didn’t work then….
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I like Korda & DF's ethics but these underwaters are becoming tedious.
It's been done to death already..
Watching a brightly coloured hookbait getting rejected for 2 hours is hardly groundbreaking or entertaining.
It's no wonder he was in tears. What a waste of time, money & talent.
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Watched it over the last couple of days, not really interesting, bit carp emo tv right. On the bright side i always thought spooner and dovey were a bit too much, not ali like too much, but still too much, but having seen a bit more of them and especially after this latest underwater i find them hilarious. So that was a surprise. Let's see what part 2 brings.
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Did anyone watch Fishomania a few weeks ago.
A lake full of small carp and a group of top match anglers.
The weather changed constantly during the match and the fish would switch on and off dependant on the conditions.
Very interesting to watch.
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The only thing I took from this film was, those fish follow the wind, those fish only feed in certain conditions, if you are in the right place at the right time they are 'aving it. The way you bait dictates the way they feed. Which is why the best anglers catch using their methods. They put the bait in the right place, at the right time, and bait according to their rig dynamics.
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In reply to Post #76
Agree.
We're pretty much always seeing a happy ending in these marketing films from every single brand.
For me it's worth remembering that most of it will probably be story boarded, scripted, a narrative pre agreed weeks/months in advance.
And then the order of events changed in the edit.
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Standard industry tactic imo, sit behind motionless rods, tell everyone how hard its fishing and produce your latest tackle/ bait development, have it off and sell a ton of stuff off the back of it, because I wouldn't of sat gawping at a screen for that long without changing something, maybe I'm just cynical though
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In reply to Post #76
Or is that the cinque inside me
Dammit, you stole my line
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In reply to Post #76
That's the problem with these advertisement videos.
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Is it me or do you think they set out there stall all wrong at the start. So it makes for a better ending more entertaining film? 
Fishing popped up and wafter hookbaits over a load of carpet feed, come on. Have they never seen an underwater film..  
Yes, they got hook ups in the end. But they certainly went the long way around it.. but I suppose it gave them every excuse to showcase all there Korda end tackle bits. Or is that the cinque inside me.
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In reply to Post #74
Couldn’t believe that he went for shorter rigs when you could see what was happening. But I can imagine some people will have said if he went longer just doing that to sell more hook lengths.
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Making the rigs 2.5 inches is madness, sure a short rig works in a solid bag but that's is all that's there a tiny area of bait and extremely supple hooklink and your bait. You could see from the off that the bait wasn't going into the mouth enough, the fish is moving over the bait say for instance it's mouth is 1/2 and inch above the bait when it sucks it in, by the time it's in the mouth the fish has moved and inch so u have and inch in the mouth and it falls out, it makes no sense to me, I've always been in the "give em enough rope" mind, 7-8 inch that bait is going in as far as it can, fish feels something wrong and shakes its head or does the off and it's hooked
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When you put as much as pressure on yourself to catch as DF does. Surely that’s when it stops becoming enjoyable? Saying that Tom Stokes could of let him have the spot back after he’d caught his second fish. However DF wouldn’t give up spot to someone who hasn’t caught from what i’ve seen.
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In reply to Post #71
Chunky knits still 'in' isn't it
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Plenty of knitting videos for you lot to get stuck into.
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In reply to Post #69
There's a new one out Bob . . . not much development from the previous. TBF I actually nodded off after half an hour . . .
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This post is now a year old.
Did I ever get around to watching the video? No
Will I now? No
Am I bothered? No
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In reply to Post #66
I imagine you're right, just based on the way they both started - 'this works at home so I'm gonna do it here'.
They're all carp after all 🙂👍
One take away for me was to add a bit of corn to my fishing even in the murk it just seemed to stand out more than the boilie and pellet.
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In reply to Post #64
I don't really enjoy them much but I still watch them, what gets me is how they are always so surprised at the fact they get 'done' so many times. I think it was Darryl Peck who was the most calm and not reactive, just stuck to his guns.
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In reply to Post #64
I proppa larfed out loud when they turned the cameras on and all his muck was still there from the day before. Also nice to see a more human side to DF at the end too - we've all been there!
If looks could kill
I'm really looking forward to the next one tbh
You just know Dovey & Spooner will take it apart...oh the ribbing
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In reply to Post #63
I really enjoy these Korda films, the time, money and effort that goes into them must be incredible.
I appreciate it's all from profit off us but I'm from an era of VHS videos and DVDs being released once a year so having these just available for the price of a few minutes of adverts really is awesome.
I proppa larfed out loud when they turned the cameras on and all his muck was still there from the day before. Also nice to see a more human side to DF at the end too - we've all been there!
I'm really looking forward to the next one tbh.
DNA, Nash and Korda seem to have these nailed for me, but the OMC ones are just a bit too much in my face and CCMoore's seem to lack personality so so can't sit back and enjoy either sadly.
Any other free ones worth checking out?
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In reply to Post #62
Each to their own but I'm not sure the fishing was slow, the fish were visiting and others were catching, just the decisions they made were wrong, if that's the point then all well and good....but 2hours of it?
TBH, whenever I've fished a lake with tadpoles like that the fishing has been crap...am I alone?
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In reply to Post #61
I actually enjoyed it overal, considering how slow the fishing was.
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The latest offering, Carplantis, I mean, the last OMC one (since re released extended) was bad but this...2 hours. I'm no Korda basher but 8 days on high attact before wondering if they should try 'match the hatch'.
If anyone fancies 2 hours of it. it's here...tadpole hell was good though...lol
LINKY POO™ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2ud0cQ-Z8c
Edit, perhaps they should've watched BP Millings lastish vid. Didn't see them say they were using hemp in the Korda vid, does that make those snails...if so below vid
LINKY POO™ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbOveeaCjh8
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In reply to Post #54
Claiming a bit of credit here but one of the first products Carp-Tart launched was the ‘double-endr’ bait bag, so one bag an opening either end and sewn across the middle to keep mixed size baits separate
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In reply to Post #58
Very good
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In reply to Post #57
Maybe see your doctor 
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In reply to Post #55
Shouldn't it be green.
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In reply to Post #55
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In reply to Post #51
Used a catapult instead of a spod and rather then mixing boilie, pellet and corn in one go did them one at a time
Yep, great bait segregation...using the essential Korda Kontainer system
Cynicism is creeping up on me 
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I know it's verging on twenty years old now but didn't they use a shot on the hook rig in one of the first Underwaters? I seem to remember them at one point using a grain of maize and foam with a shot on the hook
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In reply to Post #51
Not revolutionary but good to see how it made a nice spread over the spot
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In reply to Post #50
Used a catapult instead of a spod and rather then mixing boilie, pellet and corn in one go did them one at a time.. Was hardly revolutionary
Edit - he also baited tight around his rigs rather then make a bigger bed around it as well.
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In reply to Post #48
"The way stokes baited it was the thing I took away from it more then the rigs."
What did he do?
Maybe I should watch it 🙂
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Have watched bits, and on reflection it’s actually very depressing viewing.
On the good side, they refined everything to overcome the particular situation they faced. The negative is without the camera none of this would have been possible. From the bits I saw there were no obvious signs of being done, so us lot could never have gone on the same path of problem solving.
You then get to the ‘solution’ which as many have said is only relevant with the same variables - so blindly following is ridiculous.
The comparison withe hair I find stupid, the hair revolutionised bait presentation on every waterway and situation. This new one needs clear gravel, within catapult range - so very defined situation.
When the chod came out I used it (on a weed free water with hard bottom!) caught well but my indication was crap, don’t think I’ve ever used a Ronnie rig or stiff hinge. The reason is that I don’t fish waters that these would be an edge, and since the chod experiment you realise that it’s horses for courses.
My god they will sell a load of hook shot, a revolution that has been available and published for years.
I don’t mind if encountering challenges when fishing as it really gets you thinking and have played with many of the rigs and edges people share, including a couple of years ago using elasticity to really good - but short term effect. To make it relevant it would have been nice to see a Danny vs Tom, one with no camera to see the true advantage and disadvantage of fishing for the camera. I’m unsure there would have been a massive difference, sometime having confidence and general watercraft mean that what you don’t see doesn’t harm ya.
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I finished watching it last night and was reading the comments and was surprised how many people think Dan is the carp fishing Jesus. Also loads of people saying well they completely changing the way they fish like they are in the same situation. People forget that one spot has been baited for weeks with no lines in the water at night etc.
The way stokes baited it was the thing I took away from it more then the rigs.
I bet the next time we see Fairbrass fishing on video I bet he is not using the rig he ended up on
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In reply to Post #46
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In reply to Post #42
Another fad which probably had the same amount of hyperbole attached to it.
If i'm being brutally honest, I've not listened to a single bit of **** that comes out of these peoples mouths and have no intention too.
They are there to empty your wallet, and all these videos do is make their unqualified bro-science look completely daft.
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I wonder what would have happened if they just used boilies scattered about - I think they would have hooked more on there existing setups?
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In reply to Post #42
I use the cog and with a short stiff rig; but make my own by drilling cheap 6oz leads and making my own mini leadfree connection leaders etc - its my go to set up on hard spots but primarily cos I'm using a baitboat and have confidence its not 'breaking up' on the cast / when it hits the deck. High component price point and poss lack of sales plus its crap casting ability (Korda 'never' use baitboats on film) have maybe meant its not worth pushing anymore?
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In reply to Post #42
Anyone notice the big hole the barbless hook had made when Tom unhooked that carp?
I know the one you mean though I wouldn't describe it as big, just bigger than the hook. I can't quite remember but wasn't that also the older fish with the totally purple lower mouth from previous captures, if so that recovered/bruised area never regains it suppleness, poor bugger. I'm fairly sure I saw that some of the hooks they showed us were barbed or micro, maybe just for camera though, probably not used in the water.
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In reply to Post #38
Anyone notice the big hole the barbless hook had made when Tom unhooked that carp?
Also, the Cog system was developed to give instant resistance like an inline, then converting to a clip after the take. Do they not use that anymore? (or did they ever use it).
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In reply to Post #34
Exactly my thoughts Tim - we catch them in spite of our rigs, not because of them ...
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In reply to Post #39
The product in development clips weren't on the bank, they looked to be inserted into the film in retrospect, the shot on the line in the film was whipped on the hook. Anyone else notice the date of 2022 on the scribblings, the film took a while to come out, must have wanted to use the rig for longer than the few months he mentioned before allowing the masses in on the secret....or possibly having product for market...cynical of me...lol.
Oh yes, DF your a old fuddy duddy yourself, maybe not in mind like a lot of us
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I scanned it and watched about 20 mins total. It was good I thought, the but for me is if you have a product in development- he do you bring it on on day 5? You’ve invested in something that you believe is useful, you have then watched fish after fish turn you over and think - I might use our new development.
Like I say I only watched bits so may be misunderstanding- if they developed on the bank to overcome an issue fair play and apologies- if they had it up thier sleeve then absolutely pathetic.
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So much for direct contact with the lead allowing fish to use it to shake a hook out, a barbless one at that! I know DF didn't say he invented the shot on the hook, I'm sure it's in the Beekay guide from memory, but if it was that good it wouldn't have fallen into obscurity...or would it.
Things are re invented all the time and I know he said it was about those components used together, but again they've been around for a while.
Being a fan of short hook links and straight long shanks I will try it, just to see.
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In reply to Post #1
They've always been infomercials to a degree - they are a tackle manufacturer in the business of selling tackle so its hardly surprising that you get a 'quick glimpse' preview of the next shot on rig prototype product that surprise surprise has already been developed / packaged and is ready to fly off the shelves . . . the masses will eat this up and if 50% of carp anglers spend the £4.99 or whatever it ends up being to attach a bit of tungsten with a rubber whatsit then mission accomplished!
I actually quite liked this one for several reasons - firstly that the heli obsessed clones realise what a poor rig it actually is in clear/hard spot scenarios; secondly watching the two rigs in parallel was also an insight especially when fish rejected one and then the other in sequence (although agree they could have means tested more alternative rigs etc). Favourite bit was the snagged fish; showed Tom Stokes for the 'real' angler that he is (as well as being a brummy) the quick thinking in dealing with the problem / the mistake made when under pressure in tying to the new rod and the real elation on his face and the look on DFs when he sorted it / landed the fish etc . . .quality!
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The issue with these underwater videos is that they are not really a real carp fishing situation. Everything is reactionary and like Dovey says fairbrass starts with his “best” on and changes everything.
All this about camo his end tackle and then they sell bright kickers etc. If bright colours is the issue why do they pick up bright baits. What I would like to see tried is everything blatant like a pink lead etc and we will then see if camo is the way forward.
I did like Fairbrass dig at fox for their underwater video where they had divers placing rigs and bait. The best underwater video for me is sticky baits one from a few years back
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In reply to Post #31
Dan is desperate to find the holy grail, he is not alone in his quest of course. Problem is, as I'm sure he knows, is lakebeds, they all differ, and the fish can be hard to provoke into confident feeding whereby suspicion is reduced on the areas that the films can be made. They had exactly that when they set out on this filming session on the other lake which they had to abandon. I would hazard a guess that it is easier to create confident feeding in good clean grey silty areas, whereby a balanced bait may prove effective, definitely pop ups are less effective, but heavier bottom baits are far more likely to be picked up.
Chods however are so effective in clear water over weed, as you say, have accounted for many many captures, so again the situation determines the best presentation, and outcome.
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In reply to Post #31
Couldn’t agree more.
I love watching these videos - trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff….
One thing I used to do with the early ones was switch off the sound and just watch the fish - that way I could make up my own mind what was really going on.
My fishing mate used to make underwater videos (for various people, not including Korda) and we have done a few experiments of our own. A lot of the time you are catching fish ‘in spite of, rather than because of’.
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In reply to Post #30
‘Match the hatch’ he says, then doesn’t fish anything without a fluorescent topper stuck on it.
I always enjoy these vids, but the end of this one made it seem like it was a 2 hour commercial for hook shot. I appreciate the shoots cost a lot of money, but I’d like to see some genuine experimentation rather than a few tiny tweaks. 2 foot hooklinks, solid bags, the original hair rig with a long nylon or thin braid hair etc. Imagine how much more hooklink material they’d sell if 2-3’ hooklinks took off
The fish getting away with it always makes you think though. I’m at an ‘easy’ lake now with my kids, had one before I’d finished getting all the rods out yesterday afternoon (white pop up, hard bottom) but nothing since. How many times have I been done? How much bait is still out there? Have I just fed more on top of it for no reason?
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3oz+ flat lead, running or semi fixed makes no difference. 6" braid to knotless knot & line aligner. Size 6 long shank hook. Long hair held in place with a bit of silicone tube on the bend. Nice big 18mm bait, straight out of the bag. All fished inside a PVA bag with some crushed/whole freebies.
Pretty sure that would have converted a few more of the pickups..............it has certainly worked for me on easy club lakes when the fish are feeding hard. Same scenario as in the film.
Still, as others have said always good to see any underwater footage.
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They completely dismissed the pop up after about five minutes as Danny has disappeared down a rabbit hole of saying if its only a tiny bit off the bottom it gets ignored. Thats patently horse5h1t as I think we can all remember how many carp have been caught on chods and hinge stiff rigs over the years. In fact on one of the under waters when they were struggling, didnt Elliot put out a stiff hinge and hook one straight away?
Also they seemed genuinely surprised that a tiny 10mm hookbait or half a wafter was being easily ejected all the time. Why on earth didnt they put on a 16 or even 18mm hookbait. Instead of getting 14 pick ups and getting done 13 times. They might have only got two or three pick ups but converted all of them. Albert Einstein said something like the definition of madness is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
The trouble is I think Danny is constantly driven to change things all the time. Trying to evolve for the sake of it, then just going round and round in circles and disappearing up his own backside in the process. They mock Dovey cos all he ever does is chuck out pineapple pop ups, but he does that for a reason, he consistently catches big fish.
Im quite old now, the first ever korda stuff i watched was back in the day when you had to buy double VHS tapes and I bought them all, then on to the free DVDs youd get in tackle shops. Over the years Dannys told up youve gotta use bright pop ups, then it was all about particle fishing on Layer etc, then it was all about chod rigs and mouth trap, then match the hatch was everything, then your baits had to stink with goo, now its tiny hookbaits on the deck, before that it was maggot rigs, or flavoured plastic etc etc etc. Hes spun round more times than a weather vane over the years. Change for change sake is no change. Give it a couple of years and Im pretty sure that he'll be telling everyone that massive high pop ups are the answer. I honestly think that he genuinely does want to help people catch more fish, but every year he seems to chuck out everything he learnt the year before.
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In reply to Post #24
Someone give Danny a shake to waken him up!
Why he insists on using a boilie/snowman rig when it's blatantly obvious that the fish in his swim are feeding on corn is beyond me.Has done it in a few of his videos.
Oh! 4lb t.c rods? 
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In reply to Post #28
Think you hit the nail on the head.
People see a rig working really well, they tent to want to try it and discover it takes several components to make only bought from that one brand 🤷♂️
Can't be outdone by a short length of braid and a knotless knot 🤣
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In reply to Post #27
Thats the thing, they have a perfect opportunity to try an array of different rigs, yet they just tweak the same rig with a stiff boom etc.
PVA bags, braided hooklinks, ronnies etc. Lets see them in action. I know they are pressed for time but these underwater films just seem to be films where someomes using a camera to help catch carp rather than use it to study how different rigs perform.
Missing a trick big time, either that or they are worried a braided knottless knot rig will out perform the all singing all dancing stiff boomed, supple hair, flippa whiz bang fandango rig with 30 different components to it.
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In reply to Post #23
Yes agree, I would have liked to have seen how a braided rig with a longer hair would have performed, I would definitely have tried a kd rig in the circumstances they were in.
I would also have liked to have seen a variation of baiting strategy, one with fewer but bigger baits would have been interesting. It might have bought fewer fish into the zone but I think it would have caught just as many fish.
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You can achieve the same effect as the shot on the hair by using a bottom bait on a long hair,exiting near the bend. Parrot rig comes to mind. Nothing new in this game, unless your in the business of selling very expensive bits of plastic and steel.
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In reply to Post #24
Perhaps they needed to use the tragic twig..
I haven’t watched the film
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In reply to Post #1
skipped through the bits you didn't need, and watched the bits you did.
biggest thing that sold out for me was angle of approach. any time the fish came "via the lead end" as it were, they got hooked as the hook link was already in that tightened position as such, perhaps I am wording that poorly... also, turning after sucking the rig in resulted in a hookup.
but every time they approached from the "bait end" they were able to blow the rig back out. stiff or otherwise.
so for me, the angle at which they come onto the bait played more of a part Thant he materials in use.
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In reply to Post #1
I think they are so obsessed with the fact that the rig needs to re- set, they forget that the point is to hook the fish first time it picks up the bait. The fish seem to have sussed stiff rigs, any fish that approached from the opposite end to the lead spat it out , one that approached from the lead end got hooked. Should have tried an old fashioned confidence rig, braid perhaps with a small stick to help avoid tangles and disguise bait, especially with the spread baiting they were doing. I guess one spool of braid is not going to generate as much profit as all the bits for a spinner rig.
Edit. Forgot to add, even more so in this particular situation as no fish were present other than carp.
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In reply to Post #21
Really miss someone filling their mouth full of maggots or tugging off an ex footy player/minor celeb
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In reply to Post #20
How much better are these videos without the monster ego hamidi in them
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In reply to Post #18
Was interesting with such clear footage and the way they were picking up rigs , moving them and the bait movement. Food for thought or more head fu**ery lol
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In reply to Post #13
Because Terry Hearn says it does. That's all you need to know Leroy..
That rig is credited to Terry. But was actually shown to him by Joe Morgan.
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Last one of the Underwater series I watched was when hooky DVD's off eBay were a thing 😂😂.
This one I really enjoyed for what it was, decent footage, camaraderie and made me think about my own fishing a little bit. They do make me want to go fishing too which can only be a good thing.
My fat fingers and simple mind prevent me from tieing up complex rigs, but there are plenty which will, so hopefully means these free films will continue to be made available to everyone 👍.
Anything else on YouTube similar to these worth watching because I'm very out of touch with this digital stuff.
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In reply to Post #1
I actually enjoyed the video but to claim that is a bit titish especially as show has Richie Mac on!
Stokesy is a far better guest than the others and seems a good lad who gets genuinely excited about his fishing- just how it should be and not a punisher making himself look a goose for camera's sake!
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In reply to Post #15
Love PB products posted on their socials with the shot on the hook beads, saying they had been on about it for years and nothing new
Yeah i think the lines between it being a "experiment" vs entertainment are becoming to blurred. The early ones were nothing but experimentation and full on discussion around why certain things happened and how to react to it. Thinking tackle then was running as well as more of the entertainment side.
This one felt a bit too blurred, and dare i say it but i think looking back that having someone like Ali or Elliot who would just non stop challenge others about the how and why probably pushed it on.
Again will always go back and say that i never watch a underwater film and don't learn something so well done to all who do it
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Very bold claim to say that it was as revolutionary as the hair rig, it is definitely not. Its just a multitude of variations on what is already out there.
With that being said, im going to try a flavour of that rig when i next go fishing :P
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Also, I didn't understand when Danny put the hair right by the barb and said it was to "make the point of the hook heavier"
Surely this does the absolute opposite, if you lift that bait up. The bend of the hook is the heaviest.
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In reply to Post #10
I wouldn't mind betting if they had used the same rig the whole way through, they would have had identical results, it's just purely how the fish were feeding on that day.
Not seen the video but I suspect that's what happened here and what happens for many other people.
They change something and convince themselves that is what they needed.
Confirmation bias.
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It was in places good entertainment without getting too technical. Seeing as these videos are commercially driven it wasn't bad at all.
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Watched the whole lot now, the whole thing just felt like an Infomercial. I understand these videos are hard to make, but all they get obsessed with is catching carp on film, rather than actually learning. I think they need some kind of scientist on board, to actually help them run a fair experiment. I wouldn't mind betting if they had used the same rig the whole way through, they would have had identical results, it's just purely how the fish were feeding on that day.
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In reply to Post #8
Yeah a solid bag was one of the things i thought they would have tried in that situation. Especially when Rob Burgess cleans up on Norton Disney with them.
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as revolutionary as the hair rig for that type of fishing?
as much as I like Danny that was pretty bold - especially as anglers have been effectively using inline leads & very short hooklinks in PVA bags for years (which they didn't try??)
have always found rig choice should be made on the day with so many things that can affect how effective they are. they definitely cracked the code of that spot for sure but I will be interested to see how quickly it blows & fish-wise up to it.
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In reply to Post #4
I agree with your thoughts on that they just jumped from one thing to another without taking a slightly more scientific approach by doing one thing at a time to see how it reacted.
The earlier underwaters were extremely structured in that approach, it appears in the last two they have been more opinion and thought based of the anglers in them. Also why not start where they left off in the previous ones and work from there,
I also thought there was a lot more they could have tried especially with 2 rigs in the water at the same time.
As always i never think there is a bad underwater film as such, as you can always learn something from them imo, albeit the fox was tested that belief a lot last year.
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I'm not too fussed either way what happens under water tbh, I go fishing, I have a rig that catches fish, I know this as I have caught fish using the rig. am I getting done 9 out of ten times??? I don't know but I'm not too fussed either way. I catch some fish throughout the year and it keeps me coming back. will I watch this??. most probably at some point,will I change what I do?? probably not....I don't make a living out of it,I don't have sponsors I need to please,I don't own a tackle company that will benefit from sales on the back of a promotional video. I enjoy my fishing,If I catch I'm happy. if I don't ill be back next week to try again
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In reply to Post #4
They don't want us to eliminate component they want us to add them to are tackle box 🤫
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I watched it last night, and yes, it was quite frustrating for both them and the viewer. When given the chance to figure out what was happening as the fish immediately blew the rig back out, no one seemed to consider the cause—could it be the metal from the hook, or perhaps the plastic from the shrink tube, though not all rigs use it? It might sound silly, but for the sake of experimentation, wouldn't it make sense to eliminate each component and observe the reaction or feeding? For instance, present a bait without a hook and see how quickly they reject it. If the issue is the bait feeling tethered, why not devise a rig that minimizes this to simply observe the reaction, instead of continuously trying to catch carp? Then, use that information to advance.
The session did provide positive answers to certain questions, such as the boom length and its hinged connection to the lead or line in a helicopter setup. However, as is typical with these filming sessions, it was suitable for the substrate they could film on, but not for many practical angling scenarios, like deep silt, which obviously couldn't be captured on film.
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Watched the first 30 minutes and got bored, ill come back to it at some point. It's not as bad as the Fox one for filler, but it absolutely doesn't need to be 2 hours long.
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In reply to Post #1
Yep seen it. The fact that it took them so long to work out that the rigs they were using were crap left me baffled. They are watching live ffs.The rig that Fairbrass 'came up' with is just one that's now gone full circle as they all do. It's all no doubt designed to sell the latest load of components. He's getting closer though. Bless.😉
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Just had the opportunity to watch Kordas latest underwater vid.
Have any of you managed to give it a watch yet. And if so what are your thoughts?
Felt a big sorry for Tom Stokes in the end. Danny Watching Tom struggle ( if catching a half a dozen fish is struggling) knowing he had a rig in the locker. That as he put it. Is a big a step forward as the invention of the hair rig ( not quite sure about that )
The shot on the hook rig. Been around for years, so nothing new. Dinsmore better be prepared for an up sale in split shot.
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