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In reply to Post #20 Maybe, never had a failure though so that'll do for me.
Edit @Andy, have a look at those links below. Flaring is meant to prevent crushing/weakening of the mono on exit from the crimp. The people stating it have far more experience than the Carp fraternity.
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In reply to Post #19 Wychwood ones here too.
Mainly got them as they were the cheapest.
The flare thing.... not questioning it, no complaints on it etc.... why do you all think the flare is better for the crimp strength and reliability?
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In reply to Post #19 You were probably crushing onto wire trace though?
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In reply to Post #17 I've got the Wychwood too, very much narrower jaws to create the 'flare'.
Edit, funny, in the 'old days' I used my Pike forceps to crimp crimps, or my narrow nosed electrical pliers (also used to remove trebles) who'd know nowadays only crimps pliers can do the job properly
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In reply to Post #17 I've got the fox pliers... They've never made a crimp quite as well flared as that though?
Don't think it's user error. I'm crimping 0.6mm on the small hole setting.
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In reply to Post #16 Didn't realise Fox did them. I have a few pairs of Korda that I've acquired over the years, plus a Wychwood pair which are quite nice.
These Fox ones appear to maybe have slightly narrower jaws? If so, I like that..more PSI on the smaller jaw area and easier to leave the end flared. Another item for my 'want list'
LINKY POO™ https://www.foxint.com/home/product/fox-edges-crimp-pliers?c=edges-tools
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In reply to Post #15 The Fox crimp tool is better than the korda,flare the loop side
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In reply to Post #14 Only issue I’ve got with that is that the jaws on my crimp tool (Korda mini crimper) are wider than the Korda Krimps they come with, so it’s impossible to leave flared ends either side. I guess I could flare one end, but which end would be better to flare, the looped side or the leader side?
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In reply to Post #1 Crimping properly just requires the correct corresponding materials / crimp size and a bit of tlc . . .if you don't do these things they don't work - simple and just like a crap knot
Duffers Guide to Crimping
Soz Vossy - think we posted in parallel!
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I've only ever crimped pike traces. I read a article about Crimping mono and it said it should always be crimped in the middle with flares at the end to prevent weakening the mono, then I looked at the usual images by Korda etc and thought hmm. If it does weaken the line as stated and your only using 20lb boom material...well, that's where I left it.
I have bought a crimper/crimps but that was to make boom sections for match feeders ala Steve Ringer iirc.
It wasn't this site but it gives the same info
LINKY POO™ https://leadertec.com/big-game-fishing-tips-techniques/fishing-leader-crimping-techniques/
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In reply to Post #9 I was naive, and trusted Mr Nash. I'm older and more cynical nowadays. Strangely I have very little Nash tackle. Must be a subconscious aversion.
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In reply to Post #1 I started using crimps last hear and was lacking a bit in confidence about how to match line diameter, how hard to crush the crimp.
Did a half dozen test crimps and really strained and abused them with rig puller and gloves.
For the cost of a half dozen crimps and 2 metres of stiff link (sum total : numpence) I am going out with total confidence in my rigs (and had no failures during the year).
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In reply to Post #9 When I make booms I always make sure I'm using the right size crimp for the diamiter of line and always stress test after, not all line is suitable for crimping I read somewhere
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In reply to Post #7 What stops you testing a ready tied rig before you cast it out ???
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Ive found not overly crushing them is the key - struggled for ages then realised by squeezing them down to death i was damaging the material and they would go under testing.
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In reply to Post #6 When Nash first brought out ready made rigs with fluorocarbon and fused loops instead of knots. I bought some and first bite I had,( which was a good fish), the hooklink parted. Fish lost. Never bought a ready tied since, and never had a rig, I've tied, break with a fish on. If you tie it you can test , and retie if its not perfect.
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Just like a knot test before casting it out. Obviously it wasn’t tested and was dodgy. I had my first ever take on one come off. I didn’t check it and just trusted it. Never trusted it again and have never had one fail on me that hasn’t failed when testing it.
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To address all the reactions somewhat. I'm using pole position boom 0.55 or nash fluo 0.5 with korda or pole position 0.6 crimps with the korda mini plier. My knots are perfect (well they never give) and crimping is indeed with that knack sound. The fail rate i'm having is less than 5%, but the fail rate with knots is close to 0. Of course my reaction was a bit ott (i mean, a bream turning on the surface, lol), but to me it happens a little too often to keep trusting it.
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In reply to Post #1 Far too many people use them successfully for that to be the case
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In reply to Post #1 I was the same and didn’t trust crimps, but I will happily use now.
It is a knack - and if it doesn’t crimp first time I have found they are difficult to rescue. I love the fox pliers and crimps as find the shorter crimp and splayed end demonstrates the success.
Lastly and this goes for all knots / crimps - when testing remember you’re a man against 20lb line and usually no more that 12 inches of it. I could break any link if my life depended on it and can certainly exert more force than a 30lb plus carp can in water. With crimps especially over gunning the tightening will result in failures.
Think about knot tightening- I have and maybe one day you will see a product that is very different and fit for purpose… watch this space.
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In reply to Post #1 What size and what material are you using? I almost exclusively use crimps and have never had one fail.
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Doesn't matter what brand, they all suck. Had one go on a bream yesterday, which makes a total of 4 since i use them, under conditions which in no way could cause this to happen, other than they are absolute rubbish. All of them.
Which is a shame, cause they are very neat. And you could blame the player, should have blobbed them all, learn to crimp and all that. But on the other hand, i tighten my rigs quite hard, so i'm getting the feeling they lose their grip somewhat over time.
Back to bulky knots it is, got that off my chest:P
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