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In reply to Post #33
Very well put.
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Think its a bit excessive to say he ruined it because he said things were 'sick' 
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What he said  
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"Eggy Lad" is one of my favorites  Don´t knock his vocab, his an awesome angler that puts in the graft, and reaps the rewards  Keyboard warriors knocking his vocab ... shame on you
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In reply to Post #1
how on earth do you come to the conclusions from a video where they use drones and edit everything out
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In reply to Post #99
Thank you for your kind words and yes hopefully he gets himself sorted.
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In reply to Post #92
That is really honest of you and must have been very hard to write. Fairplay to you. I hope that he will get past it, they normally do, and you two will have a fantastic relationship eventually. Whatever is happening, and however unlikely that seems right now.
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Had the pleasure of meeting Scott at Lavender hall in Coventry.
Lovely fella, had all the time in the world for us. Me and my bro were the only other guys on the lake. Other than his camera man!
We both blanked that session lol.
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In reply to Post #93
No one on here knows me in real life, so if what I say helps even 1 kid then it's worth it. Kills me not seeing my son but I have a new life now I've divorced my ex and I don't want to lose that.
Someone said something very interesting to me the other day, we're the only species on this planet that become attached to their kids and not just prepare them for the big wide world.
Have to say that really helps after spending the last 5 years trying to help him,
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In reply to Post #94
Teaching someone to “ignore” things? Show me someone thats never had to deal with any MH problems, without telling me they have never had to deal with MH problems. All those people who “ignore” things until they snap…..
Are we harking back to the good old days when it was about the old stiff upper lip? You know back in the post war days when suicide, wife beating, child beating, drink problems, etc, were just as rife as they are now?
And if you really think your kids hadn’t seen anything on FB, Insta, shared vids etc because you didn’t let them have a phone until they were 16, you’re more than deluded.
Anyway, I only found the “sick” annoying as I work with 3 brummies that use it every other word. Mind you, I say f*** or c*** every other word, so I cant complain. And complaining about the production? It was shot on his phone FFS - look at the fish he put back with just mat shots.
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In reply to Post #92
That’s bloody sad.
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In reply to Post #92
Wow mate, appreciate your honesty on a public platform and feel for you!
Nail on head though, kids nowadays are exposed to far more than we ever were due to the online nation, it’s mental but the reality is sad, so much for a childhood that is magical and sets your way in life, the great outdoors etc, not peer pressure and stress!
My daughter started high school and it was like flicking a switch, peer pressure etc. we had a ruling, all cellular devices on the landing by 9pm, her attitude was mental to the point I used to collect them at 9pm because otherwise she would be on them ALL night before going to school, tired, sleep deprivation and overhaul just plain nasty as a result. Confiscating them worked in the end but caused a LOT of friction, crazy and mental times. Keep an eye on them at all times, it’s a crazy world and **** knows what they are really dealing with, or who! 
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In reply to Post #90
I've just read through this post and I think I have to reply to to make people aware of the dangers of the internet and the risks it carries.
My son is 15, I used to see him every 2 weeks and my narcissistic ex wife used to slag me off to him and his brother and let him use the internet without monitoring his internet usage.
Last year in April, he said he'd had enough living with his mum and wanted to live with me and my now wife. When he moved here we realised the internet had consumed his life, and I mean consumed.
He suffers massively from mental health issues and at the age of 12 asked me to kill him as he didn't want to live anymore.
Before he moved in with us I got him a referral to CAHMS, his mum blocked it at that point he was 10, when I moved in I got him a referral again.
Day before referral he jumped out of a 1st floor window and ran back to his mums.
This is where the truth really started to come out.
I went on his PC, I won't divulge in detail but let's just say CAHMS deemed him a risk to others and being groomed. Police wanted to investigate further but due to Discord being based in America they couldn't get enforce any requests for data. They also said if he was having these conversations online a year down the line he would be down the police station.
Social services deemed him a child in need and wanted to offer him a support worker, best bit "Mum" rejected the offer and said he was just a 15 yr old investigating his sexuality.
I've not seen hbim for 6 months, my choice, I've told him that I will be there for him if he decides he gets the help he needs.
So any of you sitting there giving it the billy big b******s about mental health, it's real.
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In reply to Post #90
What a waste of 20 min that was, not seen the film just people worrying about other people think. Its a forum you will get all sorts of opinions. Deal with it.
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Only one thing I picked up on after skimming through
The internet has a lot to answer for. More and more of the younger generation have mental health issues.
I agree, we are in an era of electronic communications and we do not know the real outcome as yet. I have read quite a bit and seen quite a bit and it’s a sad state of affairs if **** online ruins kids life’s or stresses them out to the point of damage ffs, one word, impressionable! 
What happened to BMX bikes, games of footie or even fishing, it’s a world full of bull****ters as a whole trying to best people often for their own gains with no real moderation, it’s wrong, so ****ing wrong
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In reply to Post #86
Said I skimmed through…can see what a post is about without reading the whole thing.
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I thought it's was good. It's a free video on a free platform, just enjoy it for what it is.
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In reply to Post #83
Yeah mate that fish was sick wasn't it 🤭
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In reply to Post #83
How do you know it was ***** if you didnt read it 
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Best thing about this thread is that it peaked my curiosity to watch the vid, something I wouldn’t normally do, and thoroughly enjoyed it and would recommend it to others 👍 
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In reply to Post #76
Easier said than done mate. I hope your granddaughter never gets bullied. If she does you will want to rip their necks off
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In reply to Post #71
Skimmed through the last 50 posts of unrelated shìte. Watched the film and really enjoyed it, great storytelling and what a fish, got to be one of the best looking I’ve seen in a long time.
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I'm going to have to watch this clip now
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It's a huge can of worms and the one certainty is that nobody has the solution to it.
I've noticed some huge shifts in my job with youngsters- and parents' - and their responses to lockdowns, online learning, online activity more generally and the knock on effects on mental health and wellbeing
If you can encourage people to try something other than their phones and social media, then I'd argue there's some potential good in that.
Much like the source of the OP ... which is a good watch and might get people holding a rod and line instead of an iPhone...
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In reply to Post #76
Quote... If that were my Granddaughter, me and my son would teach HER to ignore. The parents of her classmates would be talked to.
And that shows exactly how much you really understand.
You and your son, would only find out after something terribly drastic has happened with your granddaughter. Do you honestly really think parents know what their kids are getting up too? Do you think you will be able to TEACH her anything after she has maybe tried to take her life first?
My parents never knew anything about what I was doing when I was kid, and I'll bet neither did yours. Kids are sneaky, they want to be grown up. We were the same. For us it was drinking, smoking, soft drugs.... Our parents never knew about any of it.
You would have no clue what your teenage granddaughter is up to when she's alone on her phone. Any parent who thinks they do is clueless.
It's too late to start teaching anything when you only find out when the worst has happened.
Thanks for your advice. I am going seriously.
Have a great evening.
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In reply to Post #77
Too kind mate, but thank you for your kind words.
Its not easy being a parent at times, and sometimes with issues like the cancer of the internet, taking back control is the only way, even if it causes fairly short term rows.
I've just finished for a few days now, i might even have a wander down the lake myself, i went rudd fishing the other day....absolutely loved watching that little red tipped float, so much more mindfulness than bloody Instagram and so forth
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In reply to Post #75
Thank heavens Joss. My nephew is in a better place mate, he's at Uni now, guess what the cure was for him? Same as for your son. No internet. I know you Joss, I know you are a great parent. My sister is a fantastic parent too.
Most kids, do not have great parents like you two. My nephew was affected so much worse than your son, but you saw it. Lockdown done that to loads of kids. My nephew will have this with him for the rest of his life. He was a proper sharp on the ball kid, it's scary how it changed him.
The internet is far to savage a place for children. If I had a kid now they would literally be going nowhere near it. That's from someone who makes their living from the internet.
It's not just here either. It's happening everywhere.
I'm off to have a relaxing evening that involves no internet. I have a day off today. Had a business meeting this morning, was meant to be walking around a new lake right now Joss, but I literally can't be bothered. I am so tired it can wait for another day. I had a fantastic day though, the future is going to be very bright 
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In reply to Post #73
If that were my Granddaughter, me and my son would teach HER to ignore. The parents of her classmates would be talked to.
I understand you have a hundred anecdotes about the evils of the internet, as do I, but seriously, how each anecdote should relate to me I don't understand? My Missus, my Granddaughter, my ...? What reaction from me, or anyone for that matter do you hope to illicit?
A GENUINE word of advice because it really seems to be eating you up something bad. There is little you or I can do about it, and dwelling on it is bad for the soul. I understand you hope to change the way people think and act but I also know that is a battle even governments aren't willing to wage.
My way to protect my kids was basically censorship. And the router went OFF when they went to bed. At the time it was tough, but they thank me for it now.
That's my lot on the subject. All the best.
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In reply to Post #74
Thankfully mate, since he went back to school after lockdown and he started interacting properly with kids of his own age, plus we restricted his on line time, hes back "normal"
But the danger signs were there!!
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I am going to leave this discussion now.
If I have offended any of you, I apologise. I don't always explain myself the best. I am speed typing while choffing a cup of coffee when I post anything. My sister owns one of the biggest independent estate agent chains in London. My nephew lives in a £5 million house. This affects the rich as much as the poor. It does not discriminate. I have seen with my own eyes the effects of personal comments made online. I have watched my poor sister go through hell. There are many other parents going through hell.
People from our generation, just need to understand that the generations below us are often not as mentally strong as us. That is because they have grown up in a world dominated by the internet and social media. Things that are water off of a duck's back to us, are not water off a duck's back to them. The internet has caused that in my unqualified opinion.
None of this has anything to do with Scott. Just personal comments made about him on here.
For the third time, I really enjoyed the video, made me want to go fishing. That is a proper carp.
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In reply to Post #72
It is frightening. There are so many young people suffering with anxiety and mental health problems. We are all good people really. None of us are teenagers. They are far more savage.
Your ability to ignore, is lost on a child/teenager who goes to school and spends most of the rest of their childhood in their room on the internet. Internet is life for them pretty much. LIke it or not, that is the reality in a world where now most of the time both parents have to work to pay the bills.
Look at what Joss wrote about his son.
I got my MOT done on Friday. There is two lovely old boys at the garage, both have been there for donkeys years. The same one always MOT's my car. He knows I have an internet business. He told me on Friday how his granddaughter was having terrible problems online. He said it started with her being bullied a couple of years ago by classmates. He said it changed her out of all recognition. Made her withdrawn to the point of she tried to kill herself recently. She is now 13 he said. He was so sad about it, virtually wanted to cry to a stranger you could see it. He only told me because he was so desperate to understand why. Why people need to make such horrible personal comments online. If that was your granddaughter, tell me again you'll just ignore it mate.
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In reply to Post #70
To be honest I'm past caring. I've never been on Facebook or Twitter and have never felt any reason or pressure to do so. I know they wouldn't be good for my mental health. I realise children are generally not strongminded enough to do the same. Therefore my children were not allowed a phone of any type until they were 16. I wish other parents would do the same. I have seen some of the videos that get passed around via TikTok etc. It is frightening. Cartel tortures, beheadings, the list is endless. I don't expect a lot of parents understand or even want to know. Small children are watching such things and empathy is dying partly because of it.
If someone were to make derogatory comments about anyone I know or love, I would simply ignore them. Seriously, I wouldn't give it another thought.
It was the way I was brought up.
I know where the off button is on my phone, my computer and any other device that connects me to the online cesspool.
I also know how to ignore. Another dying art I suppose. Maybe that is my biggest mistake, forgetting that people really don't know how to just ignore any more. Revenge is king, and from what I can see from the likes of Netflix series that are advertised. Revenge porn seems almost as popular as porn itself.
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Really enjoyed the film, he worked hard for that one.
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In reply to Post #69
And if they said it was a crap video who cares. Personal comments about people are something else. They make people feel like ****. The internet is full of massively personal comments. People have no filter online.This is partly the reason all around the world there is a massive spike in mental health problems in the young.
I am going to ask again because no one seems to want to answer. If you made a work video and your missus slipped into shot... How would you feel if people on the internet started making derogatory personal comments about the way she looked? Or outright saying that she was a "certain type of person" because of the way she sounded. It's their right remember according to some of you.
Would it make you feel good? Or would it make you feel sad? If you are honest with yourself you know the answer really.
Yes it is your right to have an opinion. But it's not your right to make someone else feel like a bag of **** for reasons out of their control.
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In reply to Post #68
.....or simply just didn't enjoy the video.
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In reply to Post #67
I replied directly to you, spoke to you very nicely mate. I have enjoyed these conversations. It's an important subject, that so many are totally clueless about. I was not referring to you in anyway shape or form.
I have spoken to everyone in this thread politely. Some people have got the ump about being highlighted for making stupid personal comments. Of course the thread was about Scott. But I personally have not been speaking about Scott for a long time. He clearly does not have any mental illness propagated by social media.
I am trying to explain that to some people on this thread, they cannot see past this being a carp fishing thing. It's not, it's a life thing. That anyone who steps forward deserves to be hung drawn and quartered. Famous angler, he gets free kit... "Hang him". Jeez.
Reality, Scott would have been asked/hassled to do the video because he is a very good angler. Is that him THRUSTING himself into the limelight? Of course not. He ain't going to have planned it. He's not going to have likely even watched it.
Other people do that, then they get all bitter about it because it never happened for them. Or because they have never caught a carp like that. That manifests itself into "Listen to his vocabulary/certain type of people" looking down the nose. I have some news for those people, and it is all bad. Scott ain't watching no videos of them in his free time... They are watching videos of him.
A smart man understands..........
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Now I’m a bit confused 
You say - “We are not talking about Scott, or fishing anymore and have not been for ages”
Sorry I thought I was replying about a thread on CarpForum in the General Carp Discussion section that was titled ‘Scott Lloyd - Sticky Reflection Story’
I was trying to put together a reasonable view of the topic, and other references referred to in the correct context
I can only presume that the rest of the post is a general rant and nothing to do with me as I haven’t stated any of the accusations.
Anyway- ‘‘twas a nice video by a bloke who seems reasonably grounded and personable
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In reply to Post #33
Exactly this! I watched the video I did enjoy it wasn’t the best I’ve watched but who cares still an enjoyable watch for me
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We are not talking about Scott, or fishing anymore and have not been for ages.
We are talking about how social media affects young minds.
Some of you are obsessed with it being about famous anglers, or some fishing video. People 'asking for it' in other words.... There's a whole lot more to life than that. Kids use social media because it's the way they socialise.
Pack mentality descends. One personal comment, leads into far more. Comments started being made.... "It's a certain type of media, made by a certain type of person, for a certain type of people". WTF. Sounds like something from the KKK handbook. Now people want to justify that. If you was reading it about someone dear to you, it would make you upset. So why do it to others? If I watched some video of one of you and thought you or your family were ugly as sin.... I certainly would NEVER go on the internet and write that. I understand that it will cause harm. Words written on the internet stay there forever. It's not a throwaway comment... It stays there forever.
Some previous comments were correctly made by others, about this all being jealousy. It oozes out of certain people. You are watching a video of someone else fishing. You are not watching a video of yourself, because no one is in any way interested in you. That's what upsets you really. Deal with it. If it upsets you enough to write hurtful comments on the internet.... Try not watching the videos in the first place, maybe take up something you are good at, that actually makes you happy. Maybe someone will make a video of you. I hope no one then makes you sad because of it.
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Quote... You make bait and sell it. Some people love it (many) and conversely I've read people say that it's a load of over hyped average gear. I'm sure you must have read the same?
Of course I have. Not from my customers, from people connected tribally or otherwise to other bait firms, on the internet. People like yourself.
Like you are making personal comments about Scott and it's all okay, you are now making comments about me and my work. I hope it brings you a little bit of joy. You did not answer what I asked you about if the boot was on the other foot and people were making personal comments about you, or maybe your wife or your daughter? Would that be ok? Would it be ok for seven blokes to tell your misses or your daughter, that she is ugly? It's their opinion, and according to you they can voice it. Like for like, as you are doing here.
Don't be so stupid. It will make your wife or your daughter feel like ****, for what? Does it make you feel better? You watched a video, you did not like the blokes vocabulary. So what? Keep that stuff to yourself. It's very easy. If you have nothing nice to say, it's often best to say nothing at all. You would hate it if people from your work environment were all on the internet making comments about you or your family. You would if you are not an idiot.
If you met Scott on the bank, you would lick his arris. Full stop. On the internet you make personal comments about the way he speaks.
That's your right as you say. You clearly cannot admit when you make a small mistake. We all make mistakes, me more than most. It speaks VOLUMES about you. You keep defending your right to make people feel bad on the internet.
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OK, notwithstanding the hoo hah of mental health that this thread has evoked, and having said my tuppence worth, I decided to watch this film.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. Any of the idiosyncrasies of the angler faded into the background as I became sucked in by the story being told. Although I don’t generally watch videos such as these, it did remind in the format it was presented in, of attending the old talks in rugby clubs and sports venues when a well known or famous ( are they really famous in the general scheme of things) anglers would do a talk, standing in front of the audience and using slides or latterly videos of the subject he was covering. I remember two of these being about a quest for a particular fish - Gaz Fareham and John McAllister. Very similar to this video but not as technically up to date with go pro cameras etc.
After a few initial posts on this thread it then veered off and the mental health issues debate started. Although initially it was link to the video maker it started to veer off to become a general discussion, specifically about youngsters and the effect of the internet. Let’s just take a couple of steps back here and look at the the author of this video and see what there is to conclude. Firstly he would seem to be hardworking, initially as an employee then as a self employed person. That needs a certain amount of resilience and ambition. Secondly he has drive and determination, in this case to catch a certain fish. Thirdly he has enough intelligence and introspection to be able to work out that excessive behaviour has pitfalls, whether it be that excessive nights in the pub can lead to problems or excessive fishing can cause relationship issues. He does point out that he has a life outside angling and he has to balance this against the urge to succeed in catching his target fish. Fourthly he has got a good support network and a large group of friends behind him which doesn’t seem to tie in with someone who never leaves his bedroom. Loved the bit where he phones his mum and her reaction.
So excellent video from a bloke I’ve never heard of . As I said being a well known angler and being on YouTube is my personal idea of Hell but I have no real issues with those who do, just a lack of understanding why would you want to.
As for mental health and any negative comment, or minor criticisms I think Mr Lloyd is in a good place to deal, ignore or laugh it off
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In reply to Post #61
Im no expert in juvenile mental health, but im an expert in my own childs wellbeing.
I do however have alot of experience in 16 - 19 yr old when conducting apprenticeships over an 18 month (ish) period and as part of OFSTED requirements we have to do safeguarding, wellbeing sessions, its quite scary at times what they tell us as a team of professional trainers regarding the impact of social media pressures and what they are exposed to these days.
negative feedback, along with positive feedback is one thing, out and out personal attacks are way out of control these days. As you state, social media, stay off them, none of them do, and that probably includes alot of adults also
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I very much doubt Scott Lloyd gives two hoots about a few frustrated old men on a creaking fishing forum mocking his vocabulary. I doubt this strange and irrelevant little world even exists to him.
It is good to know that we have some experts in juvenile mental health in the house though.
No young person going into social media marketing will be naive to the fact it comes with negative feedback, often cruel. It’s always been that way. Scott is smart lad, I’m sure he also knew that.
There is a choice. Keep your fishing private, do a private job, enjoy your fishing and buy your own bait and tackle. Or publicise your fishing, put your life out into the public domain, take sponsorships and get cheap or free bait and tackle and maybe even get paid to fish. You have to take the rough with the smooth of you choose the second way.
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In reply to Post #59
Conversely what if the negative comments gained traction and increased in volume and the result of that was you come away from social media and your business suffered? I guess by your philosophy, jack it all in?
The one statement I agree with that you made is that everyone is entitled to an opinion, however does not mean you have to share it though.
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In reply to Post #44
I haven't rushed to reply to your post, I gave it a bit of careful consideration.
My conclusion is that, in the instance of the OP topic, you're talking total tosh.
You make bait and sell it. Some people love it (many) and conversely I've read people say that it's a load of over hyped average gear. I'm sure you must have read the same? If the negative stuff severely affected your mental health then the best thing to do would be to stop selling bait hence stopping any critique, or stop reading the 'reviews'.
I'm self-employed and my work gets put on social media and websites. I mostly get very positive comments about my work, there are always a few that will find something real or imaginary to have a snipe about. If that adversely affected my mental health I would cease to put myself out there for all to see. And that's talking as someone who has suffered from depression (varying degrees) for the last thirteen years or so.
If Scott reads anything about his videos and it sends him to a dark place he should either stop making videos or just stop reading what is said about them. The second option being the most sensible path.
I totally agree about the dangers of the internet as a whole and many people would definitely benefit from getting off the likes of Facebook and Instagram.
Oh and David Bowie definitely did warn about the future dangers of the internet, I remember watching the interview.
Anyway I believe that everyone is entitled to voice their opinions.
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In reply to Post #57
A very worrying world we live in today
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In reply to Post #54
It was not just David Bowie (he went to my school long before me) who said it Joss. When we were kids, remember when the violent videos and video games etc first came out, there was massive outcry because of the serious increase in violence in the youth. We found out then, how much media can affect the young mind. But progress trumps all.
Fast forwards 40 years. 10 years olds grow up with smartphones. Small children growing up on the internet. The internet, where they get predated on by sickos, or can watch real people being beheaded. Burnt, tortured to death. Where sick ****s will encourage them to harm themselves, or kill themselves just for kicks. If you all think your kids will not see this stuff.... Think back to porno mags when we were kids. Kids find a way.
That is the world we now live in. People from my generation and above don't really always seem to understand that though.
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In reply to Post #54
I've seen that clip too. My brother is constantly reminding me on the dangers of spending too much time online.
Give it 3-4 years when AI has taken over, will make the internet seems old school!
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I really enjoyed it. He's always going to be an aquired taste because he doesn't drink bank foraged hawthorn tea from a kelly whilst pretending that he's a scarecrow holding a centrepin on a floppy old bit of cane.
All i saw was a massive amount of enthusiasm and some really solid angling when the odds (both personal and otherwise) were stacked against him. For me, a great film and up there with a lot of what Terry Hearn has chucked out over the last 5 years.
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In reply to Post #53
very interesting posts, if not worrying in this day and age and what the world has become.
I watched a clip the other day by David Bowie warning of the terrible consequences of the internet and that was in its infancy back then. Now look at the state of the world, people etc, add to that COVID lockdowns, especially on children. blimey, people stick everything on social media to gain likes they feed off, they cry when they get bad comments. rough with the smooth comes to mind.
I noticed my youngest (15 yrs old this Saturday) get very withdrawn during lockdowns.
He couldn't go to school, couldn't see his mates, so the devil within the computer was his only way of staying in touch with his mates. its definitely had an effect on his mental well being, add to that, we live in a very remote part of the country, yes, blessed to live where we do, and for me, lockdown in a way was a blessing, i didnt have to talk to anyone, i just kicked sticks around my land, as i said, i'm very lucky and blessed, but im happy with my own company, not the same for everyone.
I agree when one puts him/herself in the forefront of the internet, they need thick skin, tin hat on...but i also hate to see the internet idiots go on blatant attacks just to try and big themselves up and make them feel bigger than they really are.
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In reply to Post #52
I am not talking about people who thrust themselves forward into the limelight mate. I am talking about normal everyday people, who have grown up in an age of the internet. They are very different to me and you. Mentally they are so much more fragile. In all walks of life, including carp fishing, there are always people who will take advantage of a situation. Carpers who have fished their whole life virtually full time whilst being carers. Carpers on disability who manage to full time it. Disabled but can lift a heavy Bic252 on and off their motors roof constantly. It's nothing new. That's what is happening now regarding mental health you are totally right. But it's only happening because there are actually SOOOOO many people from the younger 'internet' generation who are truly suffering. That's why others even try to take advantage. It's all new.
I am 49. I was married and divorced at a very young age. I am a lucky man, I've had had some very beautiful girlfriends ever since. My missus is 30. She is very much in a minority of her age group, in that she does not absolutely live on social media. The woman I was with before her, was the same age. She was so beautiful, she was Instagram obsessed. It consumed her. You could see it literally ruled her life. She became so withdrawn, but could never understand that it was the thing that she loved so much that was hurting her. It affects their confidence. They have none. The most stunning woman, who is actually convinced she is ugly.... Because of a life that revolves around strangers comments on social media (mainly other women, who were jealous of her beauty). That age group grew up through their teenage years as social media was kicking off. So many of them have mental health issues because of it. I have had people on this forum refer to me as a 'shed roller', this that, the other. They literally do not know me from Adam, or anything about me. But because of the internet, they somehow think that they do. The reality is, I probably had more money riding on a horse result that day, than they earn in a year. I did not feel the need to even tell them that, because I understood why they would even need to make such comments about someone they do not even know in the first place. Let em think what they want, I could not give a monkeys.
My nephew had to have his computer/internet taken away for a period. Doctors advice. It worked. He is in a much better place these days. This is the reality I am talking about. It's a reality that is lost on people our age, because we simply do not understand, unless we are in a situation where it is put into our face. That confidence we have from being grounded in social situations our whole life.... They do not have. Things we can brush of as banter, or a laugh, sends them to a different place because of it. I was a plasterer for so many years. Around builders everyday and in and out of different peoples houses everyday. Nothing phases me like that. You will be exactly the same.
Kids grow up in their bedrooms on the internet these days though. That causes massive problems for them in social situations. To the point, where they literally cannot leave the house. Get anxious in social situations etc, etc.
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In reply to Post #51
Mark,
Don’t forget you are coming at this from your particular age group view. When your Dad was giving your Mum the wink, I was patrolling the streets with a flak jacket, helmet and 7.62 rifle. There were people nearby, on every corner who wanted to kill me. Fast forward 15 years I was in a hole in a desert being pumped full of drugs to protect me from Antrax, bubonic plague etc that had only been tested on animals and a daily dose of diazepam to protect against nerve agent. We just had to get on with it. You were doing raves at this time
Although I never really heard of people being mentally affected, the law of odds would dictate some were. However, I do think that once we go down the route of ‘encouraging illness’ it is letting the genie out of the bottle. You now have ‘celebrity’s’ who have ****ed up stating they are suffering from PTSD FFS  How can a reality show actress suffer the same mental problems as a firefighter who pulls dead, burnt children out of a house fire?
By all means be aware of mental health but do not let it become an altar for the masses to kneel before. Life isn’t fair, you are dealt a hand at birth, it’s up to you what you do with the cards you have. Actually reading your account yours and my life start and journey are remarkably similar
Right fishing, which is why we are here. Obviously as a general age thing I don’t get the desire to be a ‘known angler’ - I can’t think of anything worse. For me this isn’t a sport. It’s a hobby, a pastime. A chance to get away from it all, enjoy nature and catch fish.
I have watched the opening of the video, admittedly only a few minutes and the bloke seems alright. I haven’t watched enough to see if he has annoying mannerisms, but if he does, surely mentioning them is a natural instinct? In the long run it may help him if this is a lifestyle choice ( vlogging) he aspires to? Surely if you are irritating part of your potential fan base then knowing this is beneficial. If you are a professional actor/ presenter then the paid critics out there are really savage if you aren’t up to scratch.
So, although I don’t understand the desire to be a ‘Top Angler’ or to have a YouTube presence, I also don’t understand the mentality to deliberately ‘troll’ someone in a truly obnoxious way either. Reasonably criticism though? I would say that if you put yourself out in the public domain you should really expect it. It used to be described as a thick skin, required by those who thrust their life into public view.
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In reply to Post #48
Maybe I did not explain myself the best, In general, they have it far easier than we did.
In mental health terms, I think that you are wrong. A lot of people from our generation often have some idea 'they are all snowflakes', or 'they need to pull themselves together'... Of course there were mental health problems when we were kids, of course they went unnoticed. In my primary school there was one lad who clearly nowadays would be at a special school. In my secondary schools there were lads who clearly had issues. When we were kids, those people were very few and far between though. You know that.
When we were kids vast swathes of our friends were not attempting suicide. Vast swathes of our friends were not self harming. I mean literally cutting themselves to the bone. Vast swathes of our friends were not suffering from serious mental health issues, like so many of the younger generations are today. Many of my generation too. It's a big thing that is getting worse. There is no going back now, the internet is here to stay. It's done so many great things, but it has also caused mankind no end of problems. We are social creatures. Take that away and we suffer. We ALL sit glued to our phones now.
In my opinion the internet is solely to blame for this.
We were really lucky my generation. I went to a posh school. When I was in my first year at secondary school, we were the first to have computers. We grew up in a more innocent world and played outside at all times before that. But when I was a teenager computers came along. Later the internet. We got to grow up mentally strong, and then experience this new amazing thing. The generations that followed us, had computers and the internet during their formative years. They have not really played out as kids. They have socialised less and less. They only meet people on apps now. People have become more fragile mentally ever since all this started.
Fairplay for saying you will think twice. If you suffer from depression you clearly understand. Again, no one was downright savage about Scott. But the internet creates a situation where people start making personal comments. No one likes having personal comments made about them. No one. I used to be clueless about all this. My son is a paramedic so I sort of hear things from him. I also have a young nephew, who suffers from severe depression and has tried to take his own life three times. I have had Instagram obsessed girlfriends, who suffer with terrible depression and serious mental health issues because of it.
Anyway, we are no longer talking about the video, or even Scott.
People who do harm, con people, steal, I am all for hanging them out to dry in public. I do not care about their feelings. But personal things about brothers of the angle, that's not on really. The video was great. Made me want to go fishing.
I get to see certain things that you lot do not. Like the build up of antis on social media stamping their feet on popular posts. They are growing, and they do not like us going fishing. We all as fisherman, have far more to worry about than a fishing video, or someone saying the word sick.
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I've also just watched it, have to say I really enjoyed it & the lack of the professional style film crew and shots made it better IMO - but that's just my opinion, same reason some love certain films whilst others can't stand them I guess.
Serious graft for that fish
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I've just watched it purely to see what all the fuss was about, I wouldn't have normally bothered to watch it. I don't see what all the fuss is about. The guy deserves a bloody medal for what he went through. OK he was in a position to put in the time and most of us wouldn't be able to do that. The sheer effort and graft he put in was amazing and he did a film of it on his own too. Any critics should be ashamed of themselves.
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In reply to Post #47
Personally I don't agree with the statement that younger people have it tougher today than when we were young.
When I was a lad mental health issues were such a taboo subject that they didn't exist. Nobody talked about, not even within the family. In fact I only learned through a friend that my Uncle had ended up in a 'mental institution' as the kinder term was back then.
Now there are a thousand shades of mental problems, some more complex than others. And depression is rife amongst so many, myself included.
As to the video, it was me that used the term "limited vocabulary'. It wasn't however meant as an insult. I wouldn't want to listen to ANYBODY speaking about ANYTHING for 90 minutes if they don't pause for breath. It annoys me. That tells you more about me than it does about the narrater. I couldn't listen to Stephen Fry talking about the Seven Wonders of the World for 90 minutes!
My criticism is more the fact that the producers of the film didn't edit it better, or perhaps punctuate it with silence here and there, or even the obligatory shot of a slow-motion steaming kettle.
I was quite surprised to read such glowing reviews, but each to their own.
Basically I just didn't enjoy it. In fact I found it boring here and there. My criticism was of the production and not the angler. Is saying someone has a "limited vocabulary"an insult? Is qualifying that fact by saying "he grew up in Manchester" an insult? It could be taken as such if you are that way inclined.
Anyway, I will think twice about what I write in future.
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In reply to Post #46
Not everyone is the same Alpha Male. Not everyone is an Alpha Male. I will be 50 soon. My generation had it easy compared to the kids of today. The kids of today have had to grow up with the internet, we did not.
The internet has changed absolutely everything. We are only just learning what a massive effect it has on the human brain. You cannot fail to see how many of the youth have mental health issues since its inception. It's 100% all to do with the internet, and what we are speaking about now. When we were kids school stopped after school. Now any problems at school continues into the night for them. Everything is under a microscope, including how they look, speak, and are accepted by society. Small comments escalate, other people follow in. Mike Tyson's famous quote sums it up quite well..... "Social media made y'all way to comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."
Do you not think that Scott's family, who will be proud he made some video are not googling his name and reading this?? The same as your family would. Do you believe your strong will and mental strength, of nothing effecting you, is the same for everyone else? I can tell you that it's not. A lot of the younger generation are suffering things my generation simply did not suffer. The internet is everything now. Kids and the generations since the internet, do not go out, they spend their time in their room on the internet.
Rightly, or wrongly, when I was 14, I was at the first raves. Doing things, no 14 year old should really be doing. The youth today, are in their rooms socially until they are 18. On the internet constantly. That creates very different people mentally/socially. The only reason I even know all of this, is because I have had an internet business for the last decade. Unlike a lot of people in my generation, I understand the internet/social media a bit better because of that.
I was born into poverty. But luckily for me my father was a grafter. By the time I went to school, my family lived in one of the better areas of London and me and my sisters went to good schools. My extended family are all still poor. They all live in Peckham or Brixton mainly. If my dad had been a drunk, and not a grafter... My life would have been completely different. I'm not stupid enough to not realise that.
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In reply to Post #44
Why would anyone take offense to what anyone says on the internet, especially unknowns? No one's opinion matters to me personally unless they are someone I know and respect. Let's face it, I imagine very few would drop into that category that are carp anglers for most that have half a brain.
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In reply to Post #44
Spot on again. Scott comes across so well imo because he is not some media trained, restrained puppet. He is himself. Doesn’t big himself up, very honest and a genuinely interesting character. What is there not to like!
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In reply to Post #43
Of course you are entitled to air your personal views Andy. I did not single anyone out, I was just explaining the consequences of the internet that seems to be lost on some of you. None of you said anything to savage. But once it becomes 6 or 7 people, making comments about things personal to the young bloke.... That starts to become something else. Then the comments move towards "for a 'certain type' of people". You are not stupid, that's not nice when you add them all together.
If you did not get what I originally posted, think about in a different way Andy, and make it about you.
Let's say YOU made a video for your work. Let's say things personal to your life, slipped into the video. Maybe about yourself, or even your family, your wife or your son/daughter. Let's then say that quite a few people from the internet and your work community... Started making comments, based on their need to air their 'personal views' about how you/they sounded.... Or maybe looked. People started sniggering.
How would that make you feel Andy?
I was born in Lambeth, under the sound of the bow bells. It says on my birth certificate that I am a true cockney. I can put on a posh voice when needed, I worked at the Ritz casino among other similar places. I sound absolutely terrible though normally speaking, when relaxed, and I swear far to much. You are from Essex I am guessing Andy. To Northerners we sound like Del Boy. I know this, as I get told it on a daily basis on the phone by Northerners. None of us can change where we were born, who our parents were, what we look or sound like. None of us are able to control what education we receive, as we are kids when that happens... It's all luck.
That does not define the person. Kids nowadays, use the word 'sick' a lot.
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In reply to Post #32
Well that truly is some effort he put in whilst running a business, fair play.
With regards the negative comments some of us have made; surely we're all entitled to air our personal views? I don't think anyone is doubting his angling abilities or saying that he's anything other than a thoroughly nice guy, he's just not to everyone's viewing taste.
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In reply to Post #33
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In reply to Post #35
I thought overall it was a very interesting film and a well told story, I actually managed to watch it in full from start to finish in one sitting which is unusual for me as I usually lose interest in them. Other then TH films obviously, he is god.
I thought I put a lot of effort into my fishing but this guy is next level, fair play to him.
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In reply to Post #33
Spot on!
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In reply to Post #33
Spot on.
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In reply to Post #33
Well said tcarper , excellent piece of angling worked his nuts off for that fish . Fair play to the lad
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In reply to Post #33
Excellent comment
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Sad state of affairs when you cannot just merit the captures on a free bit of content and leave it there if its not for you fine, trouble with some people is they tend to show their true colors by the comments they make and green is all around us as anglers in many shapes and forms.
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In reply to Post #33
I also don't get the negativity here. It was an excellent film, by far the best he has done, on a super difficult water, with a fabulous end result.
Tel fished there BTW. Didn't catch it.
Well done, Scott.
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In reply to Post #33
Well said.
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Normal bloke gets asked by his bait company to tell a story of one of his captures. He does that, then gets pulled to bits a bit online, because of how he speaks.
He grew up in Manchester I think, grew up in a completely different world from some of you making these comments about his vocabulary I'd bet. I am sure he could easily come on here, and talk down to some of you in angling terms, but he does not.
I have some 2023 news for some of you too. The media is not even targeted at you, it's targeted at younger lads, without kids and a missus. Younger lads with a much higher disposable income than a lot of you have. He speaks how a lot of the younger generation speak. They will relate to him, even if you can't.
The internet has a lot to answer for. More and more of the younger generation have mental health issues. This thread is a pretty good example of why. If you were reading all of this about yourself, how would it make you feel? Probably like a bag of **** at a guess.
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In reply to Post #29
Yeah he was full time on track until the food business took off. Had the burghfield common whilst also working full time.
I watched it and liked it, guy showed what was required to go after the proper special ones in terms of mindset. And also how it helped him personally get out a hole mental health wise.
Fair do not everyone can tell the story like Mr Hern but it makes catching that fish and the Common no less of a achievement.
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If it was Tel, we wouldn’t be complaining about the video length because of the way the story would have been told.
Scott clearly isn’t a lot of guys cup of tea but I doubt he cares, one of the most gifted anglers in the land with a photo album that not many can hold a candle to topped by the Burghfield Common.
I quite like his content
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In reply to Post #27
These videos are made by a certain sort of person for a certain sort of people 👀
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In reply to Post #28
He works for network Rail I believe, or at least he did, he runs that Fink food that we all thought would have gone bust within 3 weeks, but seems to be doing OK.
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Ok so watched the rest of it and yes the 'sick' thing just reinforced why I don't usually watch his videos.
Does he have a normal job or is he a full-time angler?
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In reply to Post #14
As I said in my previous post I don't normally watch fishing videos.
I tried to watch this one but I couldn't get past a few minutes knowing there were so many other minutes to get through.
I'm sure to those that do watch them then it's a good one so I'll just have to accept I'm missing out on something 
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I managed 3 minutes and had to turn it off. if you can't articulate a capture in under that time you've lost me sorry, life's too short...
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It is one of the best fish around. Fair play to him, I’m sure it was hard won. Not a chance I’m ever going to watch an hour and a half of some bloke talking about how he caught it though
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Great video, yes he does get a bit repetitive but that is just the way he is I suppose. Great story and a good insight into what dedication and sacrifices it takes to make those type of captures. Good on him 👏👏
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Totally 100% init bro.........
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In reply to Post #21
If I wanted to hear everything described as 'sick' for 2 hours I will stay home and listen to my teenage children.
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In reply to Post #20
Yes I agree with the previous comment, good to hear him admitting to what sounded like a bit of a drink problem so certainly wish him well for that.
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In reply to Post #19
The whole 'sick' thing was grating on me as well after 10 minutes, a shame but it ruined what was an otherwise great watch.
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In reply to Post #1
I know what it's like to fish a park lake with some very shady characters. I was nearly knifed once for refusing to give someone a cigarette. Fair play to the guy and top angling. I somehow got the impression it was a much longer campaign than it actually was.
I can't say I enjoyed the film much however. I can't be doing with someone endlessly droninig on. Particularly people with limited vocabulary. I end up filtering them out.
The main thing that sticks with me from the film is the word "sick".
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In reply to Post #12
I've watched part of it (with sound on) and have enjoyed it. I'll finish watching it soon. 👍
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In reply to Post #1
Great video that really shows the effort that some of the top anglers have to go through to achieve their dreams. Fished for 25 nights out of 30, I couldn't do it even if I tried. Makes it look easy but most anglers on there struggle to catch a couple of fish a season.
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In reply to Post #14
Quite a few of the sticky baits reflections videos are good. It’s the best series of films about in my opinion. Anything Korda/Nash/fox isn’t for me. These films, a few of the thinking anglers films and Terry Hearn story films are good.
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In reply to Post #13
I don't normally watch fishing videos, I don't normally follow anglers and I have never heard of Scott LLoyd before but the curiosity has got to me, has anyone got a link to this video?
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I watched it last night. I don't watch any carp fishing videos whatsoever normally. I only watched it because I read this. It was really good. Bloody brilliant, made me want to go angling.
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In reply to Post #11
If you have to watch it with the sound off essexandy ...It probably isn't for you.....
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I'll give it a watch, but with the sound off.
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In reply to Post #9
Great film and angling, i like his light hearted humour and he is quite clearly an extremely capable angler, it made me feel tired just watching all that spodding at range !
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In reply to Post #8
Yes it is
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In reply to Post #1
Agreed. Good angling and great film.
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Really fantastic video. I remember watching all his stories on Instagram at the time, with him going nuts, having an awful time, and it looking like he was blanking. A proper bit of angling. I got the inpression his Mrs might have left him
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Big respect to the man for his efforts in catching that fish and also making the video.
Always enjoyed watching his vlogs and along with Terry Hearn he has to be one of the best story tellers out there, no bull****, no in your face advertising, solid angling. Best fishing video I have watched for some time.
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In reply to Post #2
Simply one of the best fishing films you will ever see , and I mean EVER. Awesome in every respect.
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Good bit of solid angling and well deserved, anyone who can put up with the activities going on on that lake and contend with the crays and fishing with the threat of otters which has got to put the carp on edge and stick it out deserves the merit, I think I'd of stayed in the pub, had a look around that lake many years ago in the height of summer it was a proper circus.
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Have to say a top bit of angling from the man....No sign of a bait boat used (Chug 'em out,reel 'em in),no 40 meter baiting spoons ....And no retaining fish all night just to get ''that daylight shot''....A proper bit of old skool solid angling ....!!
I think those captures are so much more meritorious than half of what is put up for likes these days....
Regards Tad.
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