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I previously posted that these hooks were not very sharp, but since then I have sussed how to sharpen hooks.
A barbless rule on a new water had me looking at some alternatives and I got a couple of packets of the korda basix hooks. The hook pattern is decent enough and once sharpened they are good enough. Managed a February 40 on one, so happy days.
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Simple answer for me, are they compromising on the hook material and manufacturing processes or the packaging, if it's the latter i agree, former, the difference for the angler is? Their profit margin?
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In reply to Post #22
Early days they had lots of issues with snapping. It seems they learned from it and adjusted the alloy composition. At that point it seems very hard and brittle. Nowadays, it more ductile and issues are solved. Korda produces proper, solid hooks
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In reply to Post #38
I can see them being ok for a beginner, fishing a commercial hole in the ground for smaller carp on a runs water. As you say if I'm fishing for a P.B. on a tricky lake I'd want to be sure my hook was the sharpest and strongest I could buy. I still think we are being ripped off with prices.
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In reply to Post #34
I use the wide gape X for Barbel on the Trent and that really gives them some hammer. I did use normal wide gapes but had one start to open when I landed a fish at Gunthorpe Weir (to be fair to the hook it's brutal on there, tons of water crashing over the weir every second, hard fighting Barbel and you have to keep them out of snags too).
There are has to be a reason why the basix are cheaper, and for me that rules out buying them. It's literally the most important part of your entire setup and there are a hundred places I'd save money first. I often go through 10 hooks in a 24 session on the Trent as well due to the amount of rocks bashing the points up.
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In reply to Post #36
Many hook patterns have made a switch from the original use into Carp fishing.
Look at the various hook patterns used in fly fishing, a fair few have been relegated to our league. B175 is obvious, but a few nymph or shrimp fly patterns as well.
Your point on Teflon coated, hand sharpened is true, some of these patterns even though still being sold in fly fishing say, in normal packing, don't have carp tax.
The carp angler has had his pants pulled down with premium prices for years
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In reply to Post #35
Yep agree. For years people have been chasing the next best thing.
With hooks, as an example you had blunt as hell, chemically sharpened, anti glare, teflon coated, hand sharpened. With each incremental 'progression' came an increase in cost until hooks were nearly £1 a pop.
If people don't want to pay the additional cost at least they have a range that they can go and see in the shops that only stock the bigger brands.
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In reply to Post #1
i think the basix range and the Fox cheaper hook range is something to be applauded
the cost of stuff is getting daft, even some of the cheaper brands are starting to creep up as well (Bank BMG etc)
what used to be a simple sport is some of the time who can chuck the most cash at it :/
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Tbh I'm guilty of actually liking the normal Korda wide gape (not basix version) and the wide gape X hooks aswell, had some huge cats and carp putting up some really hard long battles and never had a problem with them, my favourite hooks are j precision but I do like the Korda wide gapes aswell
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In reply to Post #32
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In reply to Post #31
Affectionately referred to as value engineering in industry
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In reply to Post #17
how do you deliberately create a budget version??
Bulk buying with Lower profit margin, to lure you into the brand.
Different Process/materials than the expensive hooks possibly ?
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In reply to Post #11
Seen a known upper 60lb lost to a snapped Korda long shank a few years ago... snapped on the shank side of bend.
Tbh it was a protracted fight and we actually saw it was hooked bang centre at one point before it went on another run, was caught a couple of weeks later well over 70lb as well.
Steered clean of korda hooks after that and it wasn't even me who lost it.
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In reply to Post #26
Loved star points and star point continentals, probably still got some, don't use korda hooks much but there ok no problems
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In reply to Post #10
A cheaper Hook means it is cheaper to manufacture.
Does a hook that is cheaper to manufacture than one that costs more to manufacture (Given there is an end goal! e.g. sharper, stronger) stand a better chance of being closer to the end goal than the more expensive one? No.
A more expensive hook does not make it better.
A whole lot of the price is what the brand make on the tackle.
Kamasan B175's are a cheap hook, out of the carp tax zone. For some fishing situations or presentations they are a very good hook.
Like Yonny I have tested various hooks in a vice and a few brands bend, some break, and some have been changed since original release. So some early Korda hooks bent, now the same pattern breaks.
Fox had a problem with the Series 2 hooks. I lost a couple of fish to hookpulls. I found out under slightly heavier playing pressure the hook was opening out slightly and then springing back into shape. They could only be used in open water fishing where you didn't need to keep the fish 'tight'.
When it comes to Korda hooks, I found that out of the packet they are not particularly sharp. Other brands are sharper.
With a 3oz inline lead, the point of a hook in the ball of my thumb I was able to lift the rig up off the desk without it penetrating and causing pain.
I could not do the same with Solar, Gardner or ESP hooks.
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Only had one hook snap,Korda krank.On closer inspection it was a slight different colour to the rest of the pack,maybe it had missed part of the tempering process.I read somewhere that if you are bending hooks it is because all the pressure is being put on the point as its not penetrating into the lip far enough(not sharp enough).I'm not saying that is always the case but it does make sense
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In reply to Post #25
Snapped a few starpoints in the 90s, straightened an esp something or other 20 years ago on a cat that was probably a mid 20, I'd like to think hook technology has improved since then.
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only once have I had any hook snap, that was a korda curve shank size 8, fishing in the edge with corn watching the carp feed,watched the carp take the bait,hooked it and got a bit excited...slipped over 🤦held onto the rod and this carp bolted,couldn't flick the back wind on and the clutch was tight...locked up tight...I held on and the speed the fish bolted at I had no chance whilst being in agony and holding onto my rod..everything went slack and the hook had snapped...didnyt put me off using them or any korda hooks as that wasn't a normal fishing situation..had I not slipped I would of controlled the fish better.
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In reply to Post #23
Exactly.
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In reply to Post #22
If anything the higher hardness hooks are more likely to snap rather than bend due to being brittle as I believe the hardness is typically right through the hook.
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Some time ago I tested a bunch of the major brands hooks in my lab at work. The brand with the lowest hardness was Korda (but they were still well within a range acceptable for the desired mechanical properties of a carp hook). So while I might believe a Korda hook could bend under massive load, I don't buy that they snap (i.e. brittle hooks) without improper loading (poor hook hold).
I've used Korda hooks plenty of times over more than 20 years and not once seen them bend or snap.
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In reply to Post #20
Completely agree with this, I've used Korda size 6 widegapes for at least 10 years and can honestly say I've only had 1 of them bend, it was on a catfish in France and still landed the fish, last few years I've moved over to the wide gape x on the snaggy lakes I fish now and they are in my opinion the perfect hook, they sharpen up lovely and are super strong, there isn't a better wide gape pattern out there in my opinion.
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In reply to Post #11
Landed numerous big fish abroad on size 4 wide gapes. Never had one snap or bend. Think this is a “my mate had.....” problem cos people love to bash Korda tbh.
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In reply to Post #11
I had a 68lb carp and a 114lb cat on size 6 wide gape last year. My friend only ever uses size 4 wide gapes and he had a 72lb common and a 100lb sturgeon in the same week
People love to bash them and there are sharper options out there but i have never, ever had a korda hook snap and i used them exclusively for a long time
My dad uses the basix range fishing a fairly easy lake for fish to about 38. He swears by them and does pretty well
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In reply to Post #8
He fishes runs waters and tends to do ok
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In reply to Post #1
It's good to hear they are good. My concern is how Korda make a cheap version of something that is ridiculous cheap for them? If you are talking indicators I get it but hooks or any terminal how do you deliberately create a budget version??
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In reply to Post #15
Likewise, I have a had a few of the Kaptors snap on me as have some friends.
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In reply to Post #13
Nothing to do with the rigs I make as been tying them for over 25 years. Never happened with any other brand I use and used a good few over the years. Not good when fishing for big fish on the continent.
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In reply to Post #13
Over 30 years carping, side by side match fishing for 20 of that 30, never a bent hook let alone a snapped hook, I guess that's down to being a good angler??
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In reply to Post #11
Yep if you fail on making a decent rigs then the can snap, if you make proper rigs the wont snap atleast not with the people i know.
I use booms with wide gape loops now since last year, the always hook perfect and i not got 1 mis so far.
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In reply to Post #11
Last hook I snapped was an Owner SSW...maybe your friends need to calm down a bit 
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In reply to Post #10
A few people I know have had these snap. Then again the normal Korda range are known for snapping at the bend.
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A cheaper Hook means it is cheaper to manufacture.
Does a hook that is cheaper to manufacture than one that costs more to manufacture (Given there is an end goal! e.g. sharper, stronger) stand a better chance of being closer to the end goal than the more expensive one? No.
Unless Korda are trying to lose profit and it's all a silly game.
I think the packaging saves costs?
Do I think overly sharp hooks are good.... no!
Are the basix versions going to be much inferior to the normal ones... no.
But generally speaking, they won't be better.
Buy ten packs of the basix and ten of the normal, you know where most of your better hooks are going to be.
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I haven't tried the basix version but I am a big fan of the wide gape X ones and the standard Korda wide gapes on a water where I'd expect a bite if use them a lot
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In reply to Post #7
Did he catch any fish?
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In reply to Post #5
I found out my old man was still using some rigs he tied up just before Xmas, he fishes 3 days a week too. Gardner hooks are good but he doesn't even own a sharpening stone 😂
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In reply to Post #5
I did warn you 
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In reply to Post #4
I found the opposite, I thought they were very sharp for an out the packet hook...perfect for a runs water as they'll do 2 or 3 fish
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In reply to Post #1
My mate bought some and showed me, they look like the cheapo China stuff, not very sharp either.
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In reply to Post #1
Unless you are regularly catching 40"s on them and publishing on Instagram every day. Nobody is going to believe you.
Except us.
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In reply to Post #1
Someone on here will find something
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started using these in 6s and 4s on a runs water and can honestly say I'm really impressed with them. The inturned eye with a bit of silicone tube over creates a nice angle and flips over every time. strong,sharp and cheap, what's not to like
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