|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #51
Good I’m pleased we are both part of the 1% group.
I’m not advocating the op wastes money I think you can cut the learning experience and faffing about moving up the scale of equipment. To me there are benefits from both approaches. I do think getting casting lessons would be money well spent and allow the Op to experience a few different rods.
|
|
| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
|
In reply to Post #48
Not really. I’m a sarcastic **** and I often say what I think which upsets people.
The fact remains that buying high end gear when you don’t know why or what aspect of carp fishing you prefer can be a costly mistake. Nobody wants to waste money, least of all those who have worked hard to earn it
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #48
To be fair 99% of people on here are great. We have different views at times which is healthy.
To clarify Noj is part of that 99%
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #43
I wasn’t suggesting 20lb fish as small fry, I still love catching tench. I’d treat all fish with the same respect as I’m sure we all do. I’ll always remember hearing on the grape vine during the 80s that Nash unfortunately dropped a 40lb sadly, from that equipment developed. One of the first items I purchased as a kid was a decent unhooking mat.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #42
noj your a nice fella aint you 
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #44
That is great advise one that I would equally advocate. And probably why I still have three sets as I’d get little for them if I sold a set.
My initial intention was to offer alternative possibilities for the op to consider. There isn’t a one size fits all in this life.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #36
iv had 20s when course and match fishing at places like bodington res and larford lakes! Not novice in fishing bud just not had the experience going for big carp!
yah just saying that if i want smaller carp id just carry on course/match fishing! And said holme fen because i like bigger waters not just because got monster carp
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #43
I really think you are missing the point, why do people wear 100k watches or iPhone cases covered in diamonds. Out of my reach and maybe off point here’s another example I could buy a black and decker drill or a Dewalt or a Hilti. I believe the Hilti to be the best I may only need it for putting a few screws in and like shoes I invest my money wisely and buy quality knowing from all sorts of examples that in the most part paying for good quality equipment usually pays for its self in the long term.
I have seen people like to look of a particular CD player a well liked brand, auditioned it and willingly spend 12 grand on one, in one instance a particular lady bought her son one as well.
Sorry Noj I re-read your post and you where on the money regarding err money spent. As for size of fish I’ve put another post on
|
|
|
|
|
I would recommend seriously considering going down the second hand route. Carp fishing has always been a rotisserie of gear with people chopping and changing gear for no practical reason whatsoever. As such, there's some great bargains to be had on the second hand market if you've content with (a) not owning the latest model and (b) not bothered about using the most in-vogue rod spec. For example, I regularly see the older Century and Harrison model rods for between £50 - £125 each on ebay.
|
|
| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
|
In reply to Post #42
Yes. Especially the first post where the chap states he doesn’t know what lengths and test curves to go with and his other thread asking when to use a solid bag.
No offence intended to anybody but if you’re asking those questions there’s very little point in having tackle worth double what Terry Hearn and Jim Shelley use.
I don’t care if somebody uses Rolex straps as hangers and free lined truffles as bait, it’s their money. It’s the dismissive attitude of 20s as small fry that comes across as arrogant and ignorant
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #41
Have you even bothered to read the thread. The chap claimed he was a tackle tart from the off and provided a list of equipment that would cost more than most avid carp anglers wish list.
I am assuming he has been fishing for sometime and he’s not new to
sport, for all I know this guy could go shark fishing.
I get where you are coming from as I certainly wouldn’t “be able to” get the finest set up from the off else I would have don’t it 35 years ago (obviously things move on). None the less I’ve worked for many a person that will buy the best they can.
Again anglers that went from catching 20lb fish in the UK to catching 50/60/70s in France I’m not suggesting you go into it willy nilly as we have the internet which has lots of information.
Offer the guy and myself some words of wisdom about larger fish. as he is hell bent in doing it regardless of what we say.
|
|
| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
|
In reply to Post #39
Gentle You need to be confident, not gentle.
I’m not talking about how heavy a fish is. Pretty sure locals on Holme fen and the like would be really chuffed if a newcomer accidentally dropped or tethered a big fish because its all a learning curve isn’t it?
And rods… there’s no point buying high end with attributes you don’t actually understand yet. Buy the best by all means if you can afford it, but 3-4k for your first set up is bonkers
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #36
No it’s not, one set was purchased of my selling 2/3 of my inheritance of my Grandfathers Trout and Salmon gear I kept the rest once I retire from carp fishing I a decade or so.
It will be interesting to hear what Rods you like/purchase.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #37
I hadn’t handled a 20 before I caught one nor a 30 if you have had plenty of tench bream and smaller carp then imho should be fine with larger fish, just be gentle.. I’d like to catch a 50 and have the potential to do so on one of the waters I still planning on fishing I can’t practice holding one prior to catching one.
By all means be prepared and have decent sized mats etc.it is worth noting though that a landing net with a collapsible spreader block is imo essential for larger fish.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #37
I guess this is where the point of different strokes for different folks applies, if it’s what he’ll enjoy then he should do it 🙂
|
|
| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
|
In reply to Post #36
“id much rather wait for 1 big carp than have number of 20s ”
A 20 is a big carp. Especially if you’ve not handled one on your own before.
You’ve pretty quickly moved from reading about rods to hopping on Holme fen after 40s and 50s.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #35
jslinn thanks for info on setups! i dont think its crazy having that many setups as its what you injoy! iv got 13 course/match rods all daiwa tournament or slr and 2 free spirit rods! all tournament reels and 6 fishing poles! daiwa air z pro and browning exo sphere that cost mint! but aiint counting the pennies as what i like!
im thinking of linear fisheries as day ticket and good stock but to be honest i like the big pits and large waters like Holme fenn! im not really into all these high pressure waters where the angler next door is smoking a spliff lol
id much rather wait for 1 big carp than have number of 20s
and should be going to see few Harrison aviator plus raven edition rods monday at tackle shop! 12ft 3.6tc but have got the 13ft aviator plus 3.5tc ravens! also centurys and torrex in stock
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #34
I see them as a set of tools that I use and enjoy. I have 3 sets of rods dependant on where I fish, if I can get away with it or happy to use single hook baits then my 2.5lb TC Torrix with a set of ISOs and are a joy. PVAs and greater flexibility a set of 3.25lb Torrix and 6K tournies and a pair of Harrison 13’ Balisters which I use for longer range work or spodding and markering.
Based on your Reel choice imho may I suggest you try 12’ 12.6 and 13’ id probably learn toward a set of thirteens. For me I’ve questioned why I have all these then again it’s been over a thirty five year period.
I’m not saying you need multiple sets of rods may I ask have you any particular type/size of water lined up?
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #27
dont buy cheap rods or any tackle to be honest! even if dont like it i will just try again with something else! may be crazy or stupid but have to have the best stuff i can!
ip100 money aint problem really! just got my buzzers fox rx+ 3 set and pick up x3 daiwa tournament 20 basia qd in morning! just asking what peoples thoughts was on best rods ( yes i may not get the best from them but will make me feel better sitting behind some awsome rods
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #31
I'm not bothered , just saying it's completely unnecessary
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #31
Im with heff, its his money so if he wants to spend 10 grand on a top notch set up then let him. Its dosent affect anyone else. He might be minted no one knows and 10k is a mere drop in the ocean. If i was just starting out i would also want the best of the best.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #30
Or he can spend his own money on whatever he likes. Hes asked a question, and had answers, not sure why you are all that bothered about it. And he said hes started carping, not new to fishing.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #28
But also says he doesn't know much... Buying by price tag almost. Do you honestly believe that a beginner should go and drop a grand on custom rods without even knowing if they like the sport? And then to go with a grands worth of top rod, spends a couple more k on reels, 700 on alarms, a grand on a bivvy etc?? Before you know it that's 10 grand gone on a sport which you may not even like! It makes no sense when you can get a perfectly good setup for a few hundred quid to test the waters so to speak.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #1
it’s best that he buys the rods he fancies otherwise he be selling losing money on cheaper rods that’s if you can sell them maybe as said better option is to buy top rods second hand then if he decides after a while that he doesn’t want to do carping then he could sell up and probably get his money back not just rods that’s my advice for all his gear and also won’t have to wait for rods to be built
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #27
the op is also asking about infinity or harrison rods so obviously has a few quid to spend on the rods of his choice
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #26
Surely you're on a wind up? A beginner who doesn't know if they even like carp fishing and you're suggeting they get custom rods?! A cheap set of shop bought rods would surely be a wiser choice to begin with. No?
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #8
Why is it, I suggested casting lessons and then going and trying rods out.
The op wanted to look at infinities and Harrison he might prefer Free Spirit or Century.
Besides it’s another ‘option’ to consider.
Buying second hand is another sensible option.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #6
How cheap are the shimanos
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #20
jonnyj26 - carpscene (nottingham) stock century rods and mick will go out his way to make sure you're happy with them
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #22
Yes mate,Chris the owner is really helpful and normally well stocked
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #21
yes mate thats the one i saw on youtube showing some nice looking harrison black raven edition rods! does century also! you ever bean in this shop mate ?
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #20
Hf angling in Crewe maybe
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #16
think theres a place in chesire called HL or HT tackle who sell century! only other place is johnson ross and they like 3-4 hours from me in midlands 
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #16
Got to agree , I had a set of free spirits made with alps seats , hated them and got the clones fitted
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #15
Does resale value really matter? Imo nope
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #14
And thats why fuji stopped making them.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #12
Ive got alps fittings on my century stealth graphenes and they are ok but prefer the free spirit hi s clone reel seat. Have a look at century as well as they make some cracking rods.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #1
12ft 3.25 terry hearn mk3's or on a smaller budget 12ft 3.25 aircurves.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #12
May be sorted now, but when i got my rods built with black fuji seat, i was advised against it by the rod builder as the paint chipped easily. I ignored said advise and went for thwm anyway, and they have all chipped
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #12
Alps get bloody cold in the winter. It's the only part of my customs I regret having
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #11
Iv had a lot seen a few say they dont like the Alps reel fitting! is it just uncomfy in hand? of something else?
what fittings do most use then? like the fuji or Hi-S fittings?
thanks buddy
|
|
|
|
|
Daiwa make superb blanks but never really liked the fittings they put on them especially minima guides.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #9
I had these - great rods for a great price. Terry Edmonds recommended them to a friend in store.
|
|
| | | Belch | | Posts: 4129 |  | | MODERATOR | |
|
In reply to Post #1
If your starting out look at the Shimano TX2 range - very capable tools at a more than reasonable price point. Once you've really got the bug then look at 'upgrading' . . .just remember carp fishing is an affliction, not a hobby!
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #5
Custom rods for a beginner? That's some terrible advice
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #5
You could use cotswold if you prefer the idea of custom rods to ever acually being in possession of them
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #1
I’ve got some torrix and I’ve got some shimano velocity rods, among others. The torrix, although lovely, are not 300 quid better than the shimanos.
I won’t ever buy mega expensive rods again unless money is no object.
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #3
You may as well get some rods custom built Tom at Cotswold Rods or a rod builder near you. You can try them out probably worth getting some tuition first.
|
|
|
|
This isn't going to be much help but if you're able to go to a local shop that has stock go and have a look and feel of them as you may prefer the feel of one over the other.
They will also have lots of other options too so you can compare.
With you being a "tackle tart" too it also depends on what you think is tartier, if that's one main selling point you could go down a worm hole of lots of different options that are "tartier" than those two options.
Choosing new gear can be exciting but a ballache too. Lol
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #2
that does make sense buddy! must say im a tackle tart though and like the best tackle even though not got skill to get best out of it! im the guy who swapped all his fishing gear to start again because his new jacket did not match!
|
|
|
|
In reply to Post #1
I have to say if I was starting carping again I'd not be wasting money on expensive rods...for what you get it simply isn't worth it.
Far better to invest in other tackle items or maybe even go for two different test curve sets of rods.
Say a 2 3/4 tc set for all your general carp fishing and a set of 13 footers for if you need to go for the big chuck or PVA bag work.
|
|
|
|
Hi guys im just starting carping and have looked at few rods online and looked at posts about number of rods!
what would be better rod out of daiwa infinity x45 or harrison aviator plus
or would something be better!
Not really sure what TC or length but will be medium/large waters like linear and if could take to france if catching the carp fishing bug!
thanks
|
|
