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it is a reflection of society, but mainly a male reflection.
Like everyday life there are very nice people and there are ****s, but most fall in the middle ground.
We have all met the likes who are full of themselves, the bolshy shop steward, the shouter at rallies and the generally obnoxious **** down the pub. Their own life is inadequate, they are failures and they are failing in what they believe their position in life should be. Belittling, bullying and a false impression of their importance manifest in their comments and abuse
Just ignore them, carry on and get on with life 
Social media is a scourge on society which gives cowards in real life a cover to shout from with some impunity! Fake names are a safety blanket and body armour.
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Why do we need to make the forum somewhere to moan about Facebook? If everyone on here is so elevated with their experience and knowledge over the kids on social media why do they use it?
The simple answer is unless you have a vested interest to reach the masses on social media (like trying to flog flavoured balls) don’t bother with it if you don’t like it.
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In reply to Post #149
You old dog. I’ve ejaculated on a few in hotels too.
Not again. I must get my eyes sorted 
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In reply to Post #15
I have ejected a few from the hotel!
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In reply to Post #147
That is very true
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In reply to Post #142
Well. You started it mate 😆
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In reply to Post #143
There is a reason people get bad press
The main reason being is how you conduct yourself while on the Bank, the difference with the likes of Tel is they are highly disciplined, focused when fishing, the vast majority of anglers are the same.
It’s the ones who think going Carp Fishing is an excuse for a right old Jolly that appear to be the problem 
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In reply to Post #144
Couldnt agree more mate.
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In reply to Post #143
You don’t have to tell me mate, Terry is one of the best
I’m talking about the hypocrisy of those looking down their nose at people who listen to certain music, use recreational drugs, spend every waking hour fishing etc.
Then idolise people who did it themselves 
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In reply to Post #141
He is one of the most successful carp anglers over the last 2 or 3 decades, like it or not, target fish after target fish after target fish. The time element comes with carp fishing, the difference is some people know what they are doing and can utilize the time, others have not got a ****ing clue. At the end of the day criticism is easy. You still must catch the fish, that’s the difference, the key point and the difference between a good angler and a bull****ter 
As for his videos, second to none that I have seen, the right balance of everything for me. I think he portrays the pastime beautifully, makes me want to go fishing, inspirational, how it should be for me 
What’s the flip side of the coin, a raving mong who can’t even talk correctly trying to scrounge a free packet of hooks or plug another bait company with a couple of average fish a year. Light years behind, how you present yourself is everything 
Thank god we have choices eh, we can turn them off
There is a reason people get bad press 
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In reply to Post #28
Totally agree.
I recently put a post up on fb on farlows site, some lad caught a nice fish and someone from cypography was there and took his pic. I merely stated, as good as the pic was, I’d have thought it would have been better, as it was taken by a pro. Meant no dig but the replies I got Someone (usual behaviour) found a pic from about 10yrs ago to try and contradict my statement, wouldn’t mind but they must have scrolled through loads of decent pics to find that one. Does make you laugh
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In reply to Post #140
I’d argue I was at the right ones but it was a joke, not a criticism. I couldn’t see anything that wasn’t female shaped through my dilated pupils anyway.
In our inevitable quarterly ranting threads the cable knit and soppy hats, alien substance use, southern lingo, modern music and even god forbid folded reel handles always get a mention. So is it memory loss or hypocrisy because it’s nothing new and the pioneers of it are put on a pedestal as role models.
Basically the north hate the south, the old hate the young, the poor hate the rich, the teetotal hate those who dabble etc.
If we had a thread on what people actually like it’d either be left with no replies or revert to moaning again
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In reply to Post #138
Apparently so. I can’t say I ever saw a bloke in khaki heavy knit getting loose at jungle raves back in the day though 
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In reply to Post #136
Who also likes drum and bass
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In reply to Post #136
Carp catcher of the highest level, not bull****ter
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In reply to Post #135
The original time bandit stoner being emulated by the people everyone hates 
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I think we need a reality check. Found this. Everything what is right about this magnificent pastime that we become addicted too. One of, if not the finest carp anglers of the last few decades. No bull****, just the facts. Would you believe it, even he blanks!
Reality check
One word, immense 
I just watch him with a big smile on my face shaking my head, passion evident throughout and a stunner after a stunner 
Back to the sad reality of carpfishing as we know it with a bang!
Don’t be a knob. Watch the great man, how the **** can people get it so wrong 
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In reply to Post #131
Totally agree Jamie regards ML algorithm's and the consequences. Tailoring news to your views is a dangerous road, might look great to the marketing titans but has and is clearly being abused by some for division and self promotion. 
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In reply to Post #131
Good post,very well put..
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In reply to Post #129
Lol thats not nice.... but probably true!
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In reply to Post #129
They would not know what cut off if it was mine
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In reply to Post #128
We’re you having a wart cut off?
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In reply to Post #127
Lol....all good my friend apart from frozen testicles this morning!
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In reply to Post #125
Truth hurts, eh, Micky... Hope you're keeping well, mate...
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In reply to Post #122
They fish for Likes on FB and have forgotten what real angling is about 
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In reply to Post #122
Chip paper carping! Lol brilliant toddy!
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In reply to Post #94
I remember watching Jack Hargreaves 'Old Country' on a black and white TV sat crossed legged on the carpet as a 9 year old, that for me was and still is the essence of angling. I still watch them now on YouTube.
These days its white trainers, hair gel and words like 'Buzzing', whatever the ---- that means.
My first thought these days when tipping up to a lake is how far away I can get from the idiots.
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In reply to Post #122
So true, on all counts
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In reply to Post #114
All too common with social media and also forums... Keeping your trusted circle extremely small is the only way... And knowing who to tell what... Most carp anglers can’t hold their own urine... As for pictures/publicity on social media, to each their own but for me it’s chip paper carping for likes... There’s absolutely zero soul in it...
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In reply to Post #120
Goo, that's the latest big FB seller for all these chav's. The amount of bellends selling pots of luminous flavored ***** for a fiver is amazing, **** knows what's in it and **** knows where they're knocking it up.
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In reply to Post #118
It’s certainly gone mental you can’t move for spinner rigs and goo.m
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In reply to Post #118
Born in 78 the user name might give it away for most.Aint Snow-white given you any chores to do
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In reply to Post #115
Go on. Admit it. You were the bloke in his 50s on Facebook.
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In reply to Post #112
To be fair I’m very happy with my Badger Tackle undercrackers. In small of course.
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In reply to Post #115
it was good while it lasted.........................amen
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In reply to Post #114
This happened on a golf course lake I used to fish.I can't blame it on young lads though as it was a bloke in his 50s who set up a Facebook page.It went from having a group of lads who kept it quiet and just enjoyed the fishing to an absolute circus.I will never fish it again,it was good while it lasted
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In reply to Post #113
Facebook carpers have ruined two local lakes near me they were rarely fished only a handful of us new about them. there were no monsters in there but they were lovely little lakes with some stunning carp in them. A young lad joined a couple of years back and with in one season every one new about the lakes and the fish in there and now they are rammed most weekends and pretty much every fish that gets caught is posted all over facebook and the club forum. Why expose them to everyone why not just enjoy the place and the captures to your self.
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In reply to Post #111
1 hand! And that was still after buzzers, bivvys and throwing sticks were invented 😂
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In reply to Post #1
sadly, carpfishing is 99% full of complete TW&T's that have nothing to offer, can in no way add value but are self confessed "experts" cause they are in some S***ty "promo team" for some tin pot company, or even better, they may be a "team member" ....quite what the difference is i'll never know, but normally they have longer and browner tongues
Then you have the real privileged experts...these are called consultants, and these are a very special breed and will easily be fooled with a free beanie, or even a hoodie and do anything for these precious gems and protect their "gems" with every fat finger they have on social media... yet i doubt they even know what the word "consult" actually means
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In reply to Post #96
I still think of a 20 as a big fish.
It is a still big fish now, IMHO.
Back in the day, when the TOTAL AMOUNT of any 40's across the whole of the UK could be counted on 2 hands. WOW.
Youngsters, wannabe instagram, faceache, utube vloggers, etc, nowadays haven't a clue how lucky they are, for easy access to decent carp fishing
Or just haven't got a clue ( delete as appropriate )
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In reply to Post #107
Cliques are another one, pathetic people, safety in numbers and the easiest way to big yourself up is to pull others down
True words
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In reply to Post #108
I don’t do faceache mate but I get to hear what goes off, some of my mates tell me, there are a lot of sad people about, avoid it like the plague myself
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In reply to Post #107
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In reply to Post #96
Personally I wish they’d all take up golf instead. But then again you can’t fluke out an under par round and brag about it for months on end.
That has a LOT to do with it mate. Said it many a time, there is no real measure to the “sport” other than a picture. They say a picture can tell a thousand words but in my carp fishing experiences it can tell a thousand lies too!
How many times have you seen a picture of a fish and the captor has said the biggest load of bollox you have ever heard, yeah, I fished a campaign (pub chuck and he had a bit of luck), yeah I put some effort in (he punished it for 5 years, never understood the water or the fish and caught a couple of decent fish). Then somebody knows the real story and calls them out. That’s when all the fun starts. Green eyed monster etc lol, nope, you are a liar, and that’s the truth!
There are a LOT of liars and bull****ters trying to make a name for themselves amongst the genuine folk and that’s the problem, they tell untruths for one reason, they are looking for merit that does not or should not exist and they are doing it to polish their ego’s and seek their 5 minutes of fame otherwise they would not do it, it’s that simple. Cliques are another one, pathetic people, safety in numbers and the easiest way to big yourself up is to pull others down
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In reply to Post #100
There in lay's the difference, your last two lines sum it up for me but today's instant Korda clones must catch at all costs.
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In reply to Post #104
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In reply to Post #103
I don’t need to come on here to get this abuse. I’m married.
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In reply to Post #99
He makes them look like a 20lber
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In reply to Post #1
Like all walks of like It has always been there it’s just more blatantly obvious, ignore it and do your own thing. Life’s to short to waste it on fools
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In reply to Post #99
Bully
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In reply to Post #96
Good post. My time is really limited these days due to number of factors, but for the time I have, I think I do OK. I don't feel the need to compare my results to anyone. I just go and enjoy.
I had a really good week's fishing in France about 5 years ago. Not gonna say anything about what I caught, but I was worried about how those catches could affect my fishing at home. If anything, catching a few hippos freed me. I now care much less about the size of fish and just enjoy being there and doing it much more. If I catch, great. If I don't, they'll be there the next time.... and the next.
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In reply to Post #96
Braders reckons 4lb is a big fish next to you Wayne 🤷🏻♂️
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In reply to Post #97
its good to get it off your chest.
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In reply to Post #95
Yes mate...lol
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In reply to Post #94
What saddens me is how this “you ain’t worthy” or “your captures are meaningless” attitude has come about. Why do all these cretins feel that they have to judge someone else’s captures merits against theirs.
I can give you an example. I sold some hookbaits to a lad who said he’d message me if he caught a PB. I said to him why does it have to be a PB? I’d be happy to hear about anything you catch. If you catch a few fish and it’s one pound under your PB, is that capture somehow meaningless?
Youngsters seem to get mocked if they aren’t catching 40s all day. I still think of a 20 as a big fish.
I’m sure this is meant to be an enjoyable hobby isn’t it? It seems these hamptons want to turn it into a pi@@ing contest all the time. Personally I wish they’d all take up golf instead. But then again you can’t fluke out an under par round and brag about it for months on end.
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In reply to Post #94
Did it make you feel better though
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In reply to Post #5
It's comical mate, the last 5 years in Carp Fishing has been a joke. Somebody summed it up in this thread. It has become a breeding ground for ****wits that are trying to re-invent themselves with carp fishing being the perfect scenario. Bone idle, work shy tramps loafing around lakes all day sucking up benefits amidst talking ***** about everyone and anything thinking they are the next Terry Hearn / oracle of carp fishing. He said......she said...you heard about.......**** Off....
I'm still confused where the coin comes from to furnish 4/5 days a week on a pond, driving around in spanking tranporters and dollars worth of kit.
Then you have mouthpieces rinsing blokes on vlogs and youtube homemade crappy videos, casting aspersions across a syndicate of mainly decent working class blokes with some little oik calling them noddies......WTF is going on with this carp fishing lark, hahaa,
Ah well - lunch break rant over.....back to the tools.
Be lucky.
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In reply to Post #92
Thank you very much indeed for that info..
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In reply to Post #80
I don't know if he retired.
I cannot find any recent Ebay listings,he used to be the top seller for Mitchell spares at one time.
THE GARDEN SHED REEL WORKSHOP
Mike Traynor, 4 Southdale Drive, Carlton, Nottingham NG4 1BZ
0115 987 6159 eMail: hottapmike@hotmail.com
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In reply to Post #90
Wow. I think you did the right thing getting out of those businesses.
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In reply to Post #88
I wouldn't say unlucky. More that it was a culture that I found very uncomfortable. On my first day at the second place I was shown and offered cocaine! I'd never even seen the drug before, let alone bought and taken it. It was the norm there, everybody did drugs. The company dealt with it after I complained to be fair to then but it was more a case that the bigger 'name' you were, the more they turned a blind eye to it.
Anyway I'm not here to moan about what used to go on. I'm no longer affiliated with anybody at either business. I was just giving an account on what I'd experienced in angling. I'm just glad I put it to bed and picked my rods up again
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In reply to Post #77
Ditto
As soon as the weather warms up out comes my pair of 1950’s era Hardy Palaconias paired with Abu Cardinal 54’s.
I only use them on two private still waters and a private river beat, that’s probably why I’ve found just the opposite reaction to them – nothing but questions and genuine interest in the history of everything.
I have to go and explain, that the shorter Rod trend is nothing new as they are 9ft 6”, same with the all metal winch type Reels seat as they were fitted as standard in the 50’s, and then explain why some whippings are Copper wire, and the self alignment pins that align the Rod sections precisely for you, the pocket full of elastic bands you use as casting stops, as the Reels don’t have any line clips etc..........
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In reply to Post #86
That’s not been my experience of working at shows at all. I can’t help feeling that I’m missing out. You don’t know if those companies have any vacancies do you? :-)
On a serious note you must have been pretty unlucky. Our hotel at the northern last year had Jag,DNA,Sticky, I think Solar plus a load of other companies. The bar was packed in the evenings but there wasn’t any behaviour like that going on. It was great fun with all the staff from the different companies mixing in and having a bit of a laugh with each other but I’ve never witnessed anything like that. Certainly none of the stuff you witnessed.
Sadly your experience at the first lake you fished doesn’t seem out of the ordinary at all from the reports I get from people who venture onto those types of water.
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In reply to Post #86
Carp fishing is fantastic if you are on the right venues. Balancing what you are happy with in terms of size of fish, what you are willing to pay for a quiet syndicate and finding decent people to share the bank with is a bit tricky, but there are a lot of good people in the sport
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Interesting thread. I started carp fishing at 15 in Feb '97 after a few years playing about sea fishing. About ten years later through people I met I ended up working for 2 well known carp angling firms. Both experiences were rotten. People throwing cash about, drugs were rife, bullying, homophobia, prostitutes at shows etc. These were my first experiences with all of those things and made me incredibly uncomfortable.
Anyway, long story short I left the second business and just gave up. No desire to fish for carp anymore. I was done.
Until last year that is, I decided during lockdown to have another crack at a sport I fell in love with as a kid. Dusted the gear off and joined a club. Wow. How things have changed! Within 2 trips I was in an argument with a guy who cast across the entire lake and was fishing in my margin! I didn't get it. Had lake etiquette gone out the window completely in the past decade?? Well from the few choice words he called me I guess they had as I was very much in the wrong apparently. I had the last laugh, I got a bite and he packed up grumbling to himself as I played the fish.
Since then I've chosen to fish another lake. Mainly doubles, the odd 20 but I'm so much happier as it's weedy so is avoided by the majority.
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In reply to Post #79
PM on the way....
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In reply to Post #83
Yes,....and its why I love my old Mitchell's..
I get lots of comments from others,like wow my dad had them etc etc..
I also want a set of 300 pros,the ones with the brass plate on..
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In reply to Post #82
Its normally the part that goes before any other. A very uncomplicated reel.
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In reply to Post #81
Cheers,I'm after the automatic spring,and a shim or two,Metal Micky rebuilt a skip found 440a,for my son,the reel looks trashed,but runs like new due to lots of internal new parts,and knowledge from MM..
The ottomatic spring is pain to do...and I've been taking Mitchell's apart since I got caught by my dad stripping an old half bail,300..
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In reply to Post #80
There was one on Ebay last week being sold for parts, dont know why it wasn't working.
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In reply to Post #79
Is metal micky still going?..I want to rebuild my old Mitchell 330,ottomatic for BBs place ?
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In reply to Post #78
Yes Mal. I do sell rods, landing nets and other bits n pieces to other enthusiasts in low volume numbers. I use the money for Syndicate tickets, France trips etc but I am strictly amatuer. I’m retired so it also helps to keep the brain sharp 👍
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In reply to Post #77
Do you ever sell your home made rods? I've some old gear that I've had since being a kid and it really is a joy to use it...
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I have two carping hobbies. The first one is the same as the rest of you - carbon rods, modern gear, usual sort of set up.
My second hobby is using traditional fishing gear. Split cane rods, Mitchell reels etc etc. I now make my own rods from bamboo culms and a lot of other gear too. I posted a couple of threads about 18 months ago and they were well received on here.
I normally fish on a very nice syndicate so no problem. However, on the rare occasions I’ve fished with a couple of mates on a commercial venue the amount of grief I’ve gotten is unbelievable. Some pissed or ****ered obnoxious gob***** literally laughing in your face isn’t pleasant or called for. I keep my temper in check, keep my head down. These morons also don’t realise that sound carries over water and I can hear some of the bile they are spewing. I find the best way to wind them up is to put a fish on the bank, something most of them can’t seem to do - even with the modernest of gear.
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In reply to Post #74
i doubt it.
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In reply to Post #69
As I said back in post 35 this wouldn’t be tolerated on most other forums so why on this one?
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In reply to Post #61
Well, well, useful things member lists. Do I detect a clumsy attempt at subtle intimidation.
ps, excuse the shaky handwriting
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So, have people gone out of their way to prove this guy's point, or has it just happened naturally? 😉
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In reply to Post #70
Rotti's are nice dog's, it's the owners not the dogs anyway.
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In reply to Post #70
the one that lives next door to me looks like he would seriously like to be misunderstood by my cat.... 
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If by Devil Dog you mean a Rottweiler then I can speak from experience of owning two that they are lovely dogs and very mis-understood. My wife is considerably more dangerous and unpredictable.
I’m definitely not getting a neck tattoo and I absolutely refuse to start calling people “bro”
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In reply to Post #68
I've noticed it's typically the same old names derailing threads.
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Yet another thread ruined and shows exactly what Wayne was talking about in the first place.All rather boring and very predictable
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In reply to Post #66
Ah the sweet sweet irony...
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In reply to Post #65
Say's the bloke who referred to people as a cancer, classy and predictable.
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Absolutely agree Framey
and as if by magic..... point proven. predictably
halfcentury
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In reply to Post #63
The sort of dog that comes with a Gold Sovereign ring and bad tattoos.
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In reply to Post #55
What's a "Devil Dog" ? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, why are you bothered about someone's choice of partner. Take a chill pill.
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In reply to Post #5
I have met a couple of VW Camper van enthusiasts, do'er uppers, and although I'm not into cars, their knowledge and passion is very obviously in a different league to Facebook carpers. Nice to see, and share, without egos
Made my day/s to listen & understand their love for their hobby.
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In reply to Post #60
If the cap fit's you wear it mate. Yep a lot of them are as thick as pig **** FB is full of them.  
You're not Spanker's other half are you?
Tell you what I would be interested in, your views on Poundbury, good or bad for the town?
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In reply to Post #59
I'll answer that by saying what I'm not. I'm not someone who calls other people "as thick as pig****" on an angling forum. Neither do I pursue people on the Internet to get information to insult them or their partner.
Don't know whether I can claim to be part of the solution but I don't think I'm part of the problem.
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In reply to Post #58
Which one are you?
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In reply to Post #55
As they say if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.
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In reply to Post #5
Funny you mention the VW story, I have made similar observations.
I do a lot of rock climbing when I am not fishing and I am yet to meet an undesirable. Carp fishing attracts idiots for whatever reason...I don't know why that is, easy access, little effort required to just sit around perhaps.
Such people would be swiftly ejected in climbing circles as you cant do it on your own and you certainly wouldn't do it with someone you don't like.
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In reply to Post #55
Must be good if the dog likes it 
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In reply to Post #52
I can better that, there was some chav on FB selling a bag of Cell (with some missing) turns out the bag was ripped open by his dog and it had eaten some, still wanted two quid less a KG than it was in the shop's.
Checked out his profile, he had a Devil dog and a Mrs. with a face that matched the dog's, you know the sort.
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In reply to Post #51
Made me laugh that Spinner
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In reply to Post #52
Social media in general has become so bloody poisonous in the last few years, its almost become the norm
There’s a reason for it 
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Social media in general has become so bloody poisonous in the last few years, its almost become the norm'  . I follow a couple of MTB pages and some of what I read on there is sickening..yes there is mickey taking over some 'for sale' posts,but some degenerate into cruel, unpleasant character assassinations with little or no moderating. They truly are faceless cokehead keyboard warriors...its a pity as in general the MTB community is pretty friendly and helpful.Once more its a minority spoiling it for the majority  .
Many of my work colleagues are somewhat younger than me and many of them are now shunning SM because of the bitter vitriol promoted daily.
I dont know if this was you Wayne,but last week I saw an ad on FB where a bivvy was up for sale, think it was either £150 or 200...some **** asked 'wud u take a wunner for it' ? My 1st thought was bloody cheek .....the next was if he only wanted a 'wunner' it would be advertised as such. Yet another sad example of the typical inhabitant of FB world 
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In reply to Post #50
For most chasing so called fame it's either that or asking the punters if they want to go large with their meals for the rest of their lives.
Let's be honest with a few exception's like Mark Pitchers and Rob Hughes (+ a few others) it's blindingly obvious that the majority are as thick as pig ****, actually it's probably a prerequisite at Nash when I think about it.
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In reply to Post #46
I see a lot of that. The street is now bank, each to their own of course
The one thing about carpfishing for me is. I have never had the intention to scrounge a living from it or be famous and that just seems to be the one single goal of a lot of people these days. I have always gone for one thing, pleasure and because I love it, a get away from normal life
I think the pastime has changed massively over the last 20 years and the last 10 has just accelerated beyond belief and it’s about people trying to make a living from it or be famous for me, otherwise there would be no animosity 
Years ago you had a bit of a result and you sent your pictures off to the angling times etc. no bitterness as I saw it, just people with a passion who shared the same interest, interested in what others were doing and a bit of respect. Sent a few in myself but stopped, I got recognised on a couple of waters and thought that is the last thing I wanted! Fast forward a few years and I used to post on another forum, did the same again, used to post a few fish, one season had a result and could not believe how many shallow people there actually are carpfishing, couldn’t get near the water / swims for around 2 years, one bloke punished the spot for a whole season, absolutely unreal
So aside to the above, why you would want to be a “know” angler is beyond me but I guess that’s the era we live in, everybody wants to be an authority on the pastime. Notice how I didn’t say sport, that’s because I take absolutely nothing from it and only leave footprints, how it should be for me
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What I’ve found mate is people will slate what your trying to sell to get it cheaper or put it down to help themselves, there is no need for it mate a lot of idiots on Facebook who think they know better than anyone else I try to ignore them all now
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A overwhelmingly large majority of carp anglings new and recent disciples have found the camping lazing about style of angling a slice of heaven for its suitability to practice their real hobby of getting smashed etc as once they sample the relative comfort of the bivvy they sure ain't going back to standing on street corners, bit like a cuckoo these wasters have found a new home. Due to the way carp angling has been promoted they have created a welcome home for what's seen now and sold out the spirit of carp angling for the usual winner financial gain.
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I'm very fortunate in so much i don't fish busy places at the moment,I have done,and met some good anglers,and a fair few inexperienced people to boot..
However,I feel that that the big picture,right now is about how our freedoms and basic rights of our previous life are being taken away ,by stealth and manipulation under the guise of 'covid'..
That should be of the utmost concern to anyone who asks questions,or queries the narrative..
Do you want to live as free as possible,or every move you make ,controlled by fear,and the government agenda..
This is the real important issues,not some one on weed or banging a bivvy peg into the ground loudly..
Good luck...
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Same happens on here if you care to look a little deeper at some of the threads
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In reply to Post #30
I'd agree with that.
Grew up sea angling with my dad and it's like a different world. Even now every October there's a great turnout for a memorial competition in his name and a mix of (very) old and new faces each time that are good humoured and helpful .
'Carpers' and Facebook. ... perfect storm for moron breeding unfortunately
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In reply to Post #38
I think that is a lot of it, the image portrayed by some of the media Whores stars 
Not once could I ever imagine performing on the bank like some of them do without getting my teeth knocked out, totally embarrassing 
I think part of the problem is that it is not real, face to face stuff, I can only imagine some of the muppets performing like they do in some of the pubs I know
Then you get the cocks, within the space of 2 minutes of talking to you, do you know so and so, yeah I know him, yeah, he’s alright isn’t he? You can cut to the chase quickly and the first person they mention, just say, yes, he is a proper ****, they can only slate people for so long before they **** off 
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Tackle company's bare a portion of blame how much is debatable. The way they have pushed a image orientated advertising and marketing campaign over the last several years has been aggressive in the way of shaping what the scene represents today. With massive sales from the influx of these new customers things are not going to change any time soon. 
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In reply to Post #7
I am pretty certain that if I were to give up carp fishing it would be due to the idiots that it attracts these days. It's always had its share of "characters" but the number of people involved today who are actively stupid, aggressive, or abusive is off the charts. It doesn't help that in some clubs the bailiffs are part of the problem.
I'm just not seeing this with the other outdoor sports I do.
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In reply to Post #1
eBay is the same so many idiots trying to get a cheap deal off you and they think they know it all,I had one guy ask me about the rods I was selling(not expensive)but he then said he could buy a set of three for that price as I was selling 2,I sold them later but before they went he said would I take £x amount as he’s only got that much to spend,he was just trying to get them cheaper because he thought I was desperate to sell which I wasn’t.
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In reply to Post #5
I tend to agree that the vast majority of people are as you say decent, polite and helpful.
However if you take forum contributors as a cross section over a wide range of interests then carp fishing does seem to fare badly.
Over the years I have contributed to a few other forums ( car and arborist) and read posts on fly and other fishing forums. All these forums without exception have been helpful and people polite.
I would say generally the people on this forum are also very helpful and polite but one thing that amazed me when I joined was the level of personal insults by a very small minority that was deemed acceptable. Certainly wouldn’t be allowed on other forums and perhaps that prompts a low level of behaviour thought to be ok by a few that translates right through to the bank.
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I run a couple of selling groups on Facebook, a jag selling page with over 5k on it and a rive selling page (top end match fishing boxes) with over 8k on there.both pages are more than just selling pages though advice on products and user advice always on hand.
I moderate these quite strictly not because of a power trip but I don't want to create any negativity on the company's that they represent.
if people have a review of a product that didn't suit them,failed them or was sub standard then its good for people to know this,however,on both these pages there are representatives of the company's.
I always ask if people have had problems have they contacted the company's before coming on a facebook page to slag them off.
jag s customer service is spot and almost always leave the customer with a satisfactory solution.
The rive page has the UK general and marketing manager on there and people have had problems sorted within days that have been rumbling on for a while through the shops that rive didn't even know about as it was the shops dragging their feet.
if people come on the pages and just say something is **** because of the price or just moaning than I just delete the comments.
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I tend to stay away from fishing pages and only have a few bait companies that show up.........no drama then.......
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In reply to Post #1
There’s something about social media that brings out the worst in people. It’s probably the relative anonymity that means people will say things they wouldn’t dream of in real life.
I must admit over the years I’ve been dragged into arguments etc on Facebook especially when there’s some tw*t giving it the biggun I’ve struggled to ignore it (which is exactly what they want of course)
I’ve come up with the best solution- I’ve cancelled my Facebook. The negativity gets depressing and I’m much better off without it. Next on the list is Instagram, although I will miss the catch pics. It’s a shame the catches section on the forum isn’t better used. Maybe if everyone started using that we could all cancel all our social media!
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In reply to Post #4
Only if you’re on it.
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In reply to Post #7
It doesn’t happen in any other hobby that I’m involved in....or even any other branch of angling!
I've noticed that too, I fish for many species - mainly Pike, Barbel/Chub, Grayling, Carp and also Fly Fishing for Wild Trout. It's like being in a parallel universe when you chat to people you run into when fishing for other species, I’ve also noted that most don’t view Carp Anglers in a nice way.
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It’s just Facebook mate, don’t do it. I never have and never will.
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the problem with social media unlike when you speak to someone face to face is you can't tell the tone of the voice that someone's using or body language.
I quite often write something in a jokingly winding someone up type of way,exactly like I would in a group conversation amongst colleagues or mates or family amd I've had to delete it as someone will always take it the wrong way..people look for arguements or disagreements on facebook..
also the social difficulties people suffer in a real life environment can come across in the ways they try and articulate themselves through text.
I'm not defending anyone and there are social hand grenades in all walks of life but sometimes things come out in a way that if you were face to face would come across differently.
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In reply to Post #21
I totally agree with that,I sold a bivvy a few years ago to a chap who had forgot he got lippy the year before over something else.The funny thing is when I reminded him about it he seemed to suffer with amnesia and denied all knowledge of the conversation.I don't do Facebook,twitter,insta as I can not be bothered with it all
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In reply to Post #13
When I was in my late 20s early 30s a round of golf had to be done with a few fat cones and crate of Stella shared amongst the golf club bags.......
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In reply to Post #20
Yes it really has turned to s##t
I never wanted to become one of those ‘in the old days’ types but I guess it does come with age, but carp fishing generally attracts a certain type of person.
It’s not all, but it would seem a large percentage of today’s carp anglers have no idea what a waggler is but do seem to have an in-depth knowledge on spombs and calling one another ‘bruv’
Unfortunately I think this is it to stay, you either have to put up with it and try and find a quiet lake or syndicate or take up another form of fishing.
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In reply to Post #22
I don't get it mate, you can't even blame kids as Facebook is an old people's website to those under 25
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In reply to Post #20
Noticed it all going off the rails about 6-7 years ago, I’m not on any social media platform and never will be, but the best description I've heard for what the likes of Face book have become is “Moron Magnets”
This is an excerpt of the rules off a private forum I’m a moderator on.
Welcome to the Forum, please remember this is a totally private Forum and respect member’s privacy accordingly.
It will be moderated to a high degree, any “Face book” attitudes or posts will be instantly removed – no exceptions.
Please do not ask when people are fishing on any lake, its private business – if a member wants to tell people when they are on they will do it themselves, please respect this.
The same applies to catch reports - if a member wants to post their catches it's totally their prerogative, so don't expect members to or even bother asking them to.
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In reply to Post #21
Odd isn’t it. Do you think it’s their own insecurities or are they genuinely arrogant and think everyone should be impressed with their superior knowledge?
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In reply to Post #20
Tbh I've fished a couple of day tickets quite regularly over the past few years, most people you meet are decent. Face book is the problem, people will say **** on there they never would in real life, and others will quickly jump on it
I had it a while back, caught a pretty special one while playing with an advanced flash technique that kills reflections. After about a hundred posts calling me a c*** for letting the fish dry out I'd had enough
Good luck explaining cross polarized lighting to the angry mob
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In reply to Post #17
Bloody hell. My point exactly. I’ve had the suddenly realisation that carp angling has gone to s@@t
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In reply to Post #17
Nonce does seem to be the go to insult on social media !! In reality I think it’s just the accuser projecting 😂
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In reply to Post #16
That nice chap was Josh Sheps. Formally of this parish. He didn’t know it was me.
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Ahh the joys of facebook
Could be worse tho, talking to a guy a while back, put some stuff on there"free for a kid" and got labelled a nonce when he wouldn't give it to a prolific tackle trader
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In reply to Post #13
I saw the bivvy post, at least a nice chap came on and told them you weren’t talking crap
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In reply to Post #12
Obviously you lead a slightly more hedonistic lifestyle than myself 😂
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In reply to Post #13
Beats ****ting in a bucket 
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In reply to Post #12
Blimey. Golf sounds great. :-)
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In reply to Post #9
Perhaps
If you think ‘golf weekends’ don’t involve weed, coke and hookers I do admire your innocence
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In reply to Post #10
Have to admit I’m questioning myself now. On the plus side it seems the bivvy might have sold so every cloud and all that.......
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In reply to Post #6
It's called getting old gents. You can see the state of some of our youfffs today in Hyde park or Bristol protesting, where on earth they get their confidence or cockyness from amazes me.The best way to not get annoyed is do sod all and talk to no-one , held myself together there else a full on rant was getting close. Pleased to say I have never been a Facebook user and never will as I have no friends anyway lol.
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In reply to Post #8
Really can’t say I’ve ever seen Anyone on the golf course teeing off with a fat one hanging out of his mouth or the guys at the sailing club with a crate of beer in their boat !! Perhaps it’s just the circles you mix in 😉
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In reply to Post #6
Every predominantly male leisure activity involves getting pissed, stoned or on the marching powder if people are that way inclined to begin with. Nobody can promote drugs as they’re illegal, so it’s not industry specific and just reflects society.
Same with the internet bullying and trolling which happens across the web, again not specific to fishing. The internet is mankind’s best and worst enemy in one and why I won’t have any personal social media account.
There’s some odd folk about
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In reply to Post #5
Yes, you are correct. I don’t want to sound a snob, but here goes! I’m afraid the only times in my life when I ever encounter the boy-man, the chav/stoner....underclass, call them whatever you like is whilst carp fishing. It doesn’t happen in any other hobby that I’m involved in....or even any other branch of angling!
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In reply to Post #5
I did say in general of course there are still decent people about but carp angling does seem to attract more than its fair share of helmets !! I mean what other outdoor activity do you know where some of its participants use it as an excuse to get p*ssed or stoned 😂
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In reply to Post #4
I can’t get my head around this though. In my job I meet thousands of people a year. I visited probably five hundred homes last year. I met hardly any people who weren’t nice decent people. One of my other interests is old aircooled VW stuff. I don’t see any of these comments on those forums and believe me there’s some proper knowledgeable people in that hobby. Not just some geezer who knows how to tie up a fecking Ronnie rig, but guys who can rebuild 40 year old engines and machine the parts themselves. I’m a complete noddy when it comes to engines but no one has ever been rude to me when I’ve asked a dumb question.
But carp fishing seems to be so completely different.
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Social media Pretty much mirrors society in general 🤷♂️
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In reply to Post #2
I’ve had a bit of a reality check this week. If I lost my tickets I couldn’t be around these sorts of people and enjoy myself. I’d have to give up.
I can’t stand rude people or bullies. I try to be nice to everyone. I’d never dream of making unpleasant comments about someone’s stuff.
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I know, probably representative of what idiots are lurking at day ticket waters around the country!
A sad combination of poor education, skunk and social media I’m afraid. Carp fishing seems to attract the lowest common denominator in fishing I’m afraid nowadays.
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I admit that I probably don’t have much of an idea what carp fishing is like in the real world as I’ve not fished club waters for probably twenty years, and I only really fish day tickets very rarely in winter when no one else is there.
However I joined Facebook last week to sell some pop ups and a bivvy. My mates had warned me. OMG they weren’t wrong. I had one guy post on an advert saying the baits are ****, and that he’s made bait for fifty years and everything I’d said about bait was “bulls@@t”. When I told him I’d actually been making bait for twenty years on and off he suddenly starts back peddling and apologies.
Then on my bivvy advert this cock and his mate start making comments. Again saying I don’t know what I’m talking about. Again when I answered them with facts and it became clear that actually I was right and they were clearly wrong. One of them apologies.
What the hell is going on in carp fishing? Where have all these people come from who seem to think it’s a pi@@ing contest. Why do these people feel the need to talk down to complete strangers in what I can only think is an attempt to show off about knowledgeable they have or to try to show that they are super experienced. When they don’t know the first thing about me, or how long I’ve been carping or where I fish etc etc. I seems like they just want to make themselves feel better and when they realised that I’m not a newcomer that they can’t bully then they lose interest. What would that sort of comment do to a young kid coming into the hobby? It’s pathetic. As soon as they realise that they ain’t gonna get one over on me then they shut up.
I’m genuinely a bit sad. My mates have told me that if I want to use Facebook then I just have to learn to ignore it. But where have all these unpleasant people come from. Carp fishing was never like this and of all the top anglers I’ve ever met aren’t like it either. Is it some sort of insecurity? Or arrogance? I don’t know?
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