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noj
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   Old Thread  #84 25 Jun 2022 at 9.00pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #83
To be fair mate, my 16 month old was quite bad. Missus (who had bad symptoms too) took him to hospital because his breathing was laboured and ended up having a steroid injection.
I’m older than my missus and unvaccinated but I eat loads of spicy food and drink copious amounts of strong coffee or tropical juice to counteract the copious amounts of strong weed…. So I’ll carry on just to be on the safe side
wandle1
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wandle1
   Old Thread  #83 25 Jun 2022 at 7.30pm  0  Login    Register
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Some say its ,psychological coercion ,fearmongering at best .Still I don't know anyone who has died from Covid.

'Onen hag oll'....for one and all..

I'll say it once again,I know ,I mean known someone 45 plus years ,a fit man ,a strong farmer ,no health issues,3rd jab ..3 days later dead...cause of death ,heart attack..!

I see older people today now walking around in the countryside, yet again wearing a stupid ,face covering. There are no others around,it's fresh air,no people..nothing only fields and hedgerows,this is what it's come to,the media has fearmongerd very well..

Who stands to profit,who stands to make money?..

I once trusted the BMA...and at one point ,even the government, yes,even me,Mr Cynical..I now know my trust in both ,the BMA and the shower of elites have failed and lied ..

Don't trust the media...think for yourselves,evaluate and make up your mind ,observe...and many who do that ,free thinkers those who don't believe the narrative..

Will see,


It's a load of BS..
noj
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   Old Thread  #82 25 Jun 2022 at 5.19pm  1  Login    Register
Still haven’t had the jabs. My missus (triple jabbed) and kids have all had/have got covid right now.. I appear not to have it, haven’t done a test but feel fine and I take my son’s bogies to work in my pocket ‘for lunch’ most days
AideyKaye
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   Old Thread  #81 30 May 2022 at 11.54am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #80
So, was it all worth it?

Despite losing family members, despite my kids losing over a year of full time effective education to "keep them safe", despite locking down healthy people who ended up getting demetia through lack of purposeful activity, despite the NHS now in a worse state than it was during COVID, the breakdowns in relationships, the lack of social contact, having to do everything through a 15" screen, and despite many people losing their jobs, yet giving billions of our money out to Tier 2's who just took it home to Turkey/Albania/Russia etc etc....

I'm going to say yeah, totally worth it. The lockdowns,my mask, and the two jabs did their job.....well, apart from when I caught it, and the hundreds of thousands of others who done everything asked of them, whilst the people who made the rules were deciding not to.

All politicians are vermin, as are the journo's who used the 300m of government funding to peddle their hypocritical lies.
manic
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manic
   Old Thread  #80 12 May 2022 at 6.49pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #78
Me,There are lots of us,
The **** is hitting the fan with side effect ,Heart attacks and blood clots ,even more so in young kids.
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #79 2 May 2022 at 12.37pm  2  Login    Register
In reply to Post #78
As it's our choice to have the jabs without someone calling it nonsense.
deaffred
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deaffred
   Old Thread  #78 2 May 2022 at 12.02pm  0  Login    Register
Am I the only one who hasn’t injected this nonsense .

Yeh I’ve had it twice but was like a normal cold .my body my choice
KenTownley
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KenTownley
   Old Thread  #77 24 Apr 2022 at 8.35am  0  Login    Register
We had our 4th Pfizer yesterday. Apart from the expected bruise-like sensation at the injection site, we have had no after effects whatsoever.
mal
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mal
   Old Thread  #74 7 Feb 2022 at 0.24am  0  Login    Register
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Bloody hell Mr bot

Where have you been for the last 2 years. We could've really done with such good advice...
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   Old Thread  #73 6 Feb 2022 at 8.25pm  0  Login    Register
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Covid is an unpleasant virus to have, but it goes as quickly as it came if you don't have any other diseases. When my friend got covid, I was afraid that she wouldn't end up well because she had a dreadful illness. I contacted people from http://fenbenlab.com/ to ask if I could give my friend their products when she had covid. They informed me that the pills would only make her feel better, and they did. She is doing great now, and the virus didn't affect her that much. You should take care of yourself and ask for medical support if something is wrong
AndyCarper82
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   Old Thread  #71 30 Mar 2021 at 9.41pm  0  Login    Register
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classic
Wayne
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Wayne
   Old Thread  #70 30 Mar 2021 at 3.55pm  0  Login    Register
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Spellin is know problam 4 mee Mal.......
mal
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mal
   Old Thread  #69 30 Mar 2021 at 1.25pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #64
So long as it's not a spelling test eh Wayne?

Had my jab yesterday. No side effects at all. And if you don't believe me you can ask the unicorn sat in the corner.

I even got a sticker.
Old-Cornishman
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   Old Thread  #68 29 Mar 2021 at 11.07pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #64
I wonder if the hospitality sector would have a rethink if people started to boycott places that didn’t put enough effort into being as Covid secure as possible.
Checking some form of vaccination passport might be seen as part of that effort.
AndyCarper82
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   Old Thread  #67 29 Mar 2021 at 7.54pm  0  Login    Register
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fishie
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   Old Thread  #66 29 Mar 2021 at 6.03pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #65
My parents had their 2nd AZ jab, Mother 87 a slight headache for a day, father 92 no side effects. both were clear of effects from first jab and my mother said she would rather have a headache than be on a ventilator
Hitman
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Hitman
   Old Thread  #65 29 Mar 2021 at 4.50pm  0  Login    Register
Had mine a week ago today and apart from a sore upper arm for a couple of days I feel fine 👍
Wayne
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Wayne
   Old Thread  #64 28 Mar 2021 at 3.01pm  0  Login    Register
I don’t mind doing a test to get in a pub etc......

That said I think it’s totally unmanageable and the hospitality industry doesn’t want it anyway so here’s hoping it doesn’t materialise.......
AndyCarper82
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   Old Thread  #63 28 Mar 2021 at 2.37pm  0  Login    Register
Lol. What an extremist response.

Nobody is forcing anybody to have the vaccine and nobody ever will.

If you decline or are unable to have the vaccine for medical reasons you will just need to get tested to prove you don't have the virus if you want to travel and maybe attend other events. This is just how it shaping up atm.

Medical experts think we'll be living with Covid 19 for the foreseeable future so we can all expect this to go on for some time.
bigclanger
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bigclanger
   Old Thread  #62 28 Mar 2021 at 12.56pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #61
Maybe you should be providing proof of the long term affects of the vaccine? Perhaps the authorities will require those that have chosen or have medical reasons not to take the vaccine should be made to wear an armband to distinguish them from those that have or maybe tattooed or even establish Covid camps for the dissenters ? But heh the Government are aware that it’s illegal under the Nuremberg Code to force or coerce a citizen to take any medication!! Then there’s all those BAME that aren’t taking the vaccine which opens up a whole can of worms re discrimination or Racism 😉
AndyCarper82
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   Old Thread  #61 28 Mar 2021 at 11.51am  0  Login    Register
Had the Oxford one yesterday morning, was surprised to be offered it tbh as my age group isn't due yet and I have no pre existing issues but didn't need to be asked twice.

Went down the lake for the day after the jab and I'm back today after some bubbly to celebrate last night. Feel slightly fatigued but nothing else.

Now Iooking forward to applying for a covid passport after my second jab in whatever form it is in as it now seems inevitable especially for a trip to France and possibly for pub, shows, cinema etc I get some people rejected a vaccine, it's their choice but you'll be required to prove your covid free before traveling etc for the health of everyone else around you. This is no longer a discussion point as it's coming whether you like it or not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56522408


Something like 22 million people have had the Oxford jab now and if there were any issues it would have been investigated and we would all know about it so the comments about being lab rats are ridiculous and unfounded. If you disagree then please provide your proof that its dangerous.

scozza
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   Old Thread  #60 25 Mar 2021 at 10.38am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #51
Nice to see a bit of positivity amongst all this **** storm Ken. The good news there appears to be light at the end of the is long drawn out dark tunnel for me now, bring on the sunshine, summer time around the corner, bring on the fishing and bring back life as we know it. Time to look forward to better things

Wayne
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Wayne
   Old Thread  #59 25 Mar 2021 at 9.43am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #54
But you'll gladly enjoy the freedoms once things open up thanks to the vaccination rollout.

'Grateful' is what you should feel.


I am very Grateful i will be able to enjoy a pint of piss and a dirty Macca this summer though........
mal
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   Old Thread  #58 24 Mar 2021 at 10.37pm  0  Login    Register
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spanker
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   Old Thread  #57 24 Mar 2021 at 10.26pm  0  Login    Register
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Mr-Bean-Laden
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   Old Thread  #56 24 Mar 2021 at 9.56pm  0  Login    Register
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We are all in this together, the more we vaccinate, the more freedoms we get. I'm glad I've had mine and my three adult kids can't wait to
spanker
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   Old Thread  #55 24 Mar 2021 at 9.25pm  0  Login    Register
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Can't say that i will be feeling sorry for you in the pub , restaurant , Holiday with my vaccination card !

And if it enables me to be fishing on my local river in France this summer i will gladly inject Kim Jun Un's special vaccine , in my eye ball !
Jon
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Jon
   Old Thread  #54 24 Mar 2021 at 9.21pm  0  Login    Register
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But you'll gladly enjoy the freedoms once things open up thanks to the vaccination rollout.

'Grateful' is what you should feel.
Wayne
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   Old Thread  #53 24 Mar 2021 at 3.59pm  0  Login    Register
Mr-Bean-Laden
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   Old Thread  #52 24 Mar 2021 at 3.25pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #49
I had the same symptoms, I'm hearing the second is as bad if not worse sadly
KenTownley
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   Old Thread  #51 24 Mar 2021 at 2.51pm  0  Login    Register
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Totally agree, Scozza!
Tinhead
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   Old Thread  #50 23 Mar 2021 at 12.26pm  0  Login    Register
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I'm sure 2nd one will be better. First one is just letting you know that it's working and your body is making antibodies.
Innocenti
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Innocenti
   Old Thread  #49 23 Mar 2021 at 11.30am  0  Login    Register
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Got mine yesterday, walked to the GPS and wasn't home 20 mins THEY started. Started with a shiver then a sweat,then a dull thumping headache. Slept for nigh on 24 hrs albeit very broken sleep.Still feel a bit sh*t and still sweating buckets with a sore head. I sincerely hope the 2nd jab ain't as bad.
chopper
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   Old Thread  #48 22 Mar 2021 at 7.47pm  0  Login    Register
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NemesisWitch
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   Old Thread  #47 22 Mar 2021 at 7.29pm  0  Login    Register
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I had the Catchum one. Side effect was spending the next day stalking a tin of sardines in Tesco's.
scozza
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   Old Thread  #46 20 Mar 2021 at 7.09am  0  Login    Register
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Oxford flavour.

Nice
Smufter
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Smufter
   Old Thread  #45 20 Mar 2021 at 4.00am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #41
Had my first jab two weeks ago, Oxford flavour.
Felt a bit rough the following day, nothing too bad, took a couple of Ibuprofen and hit the sack for a few hours and felt fine after that.

mal
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mal
   Old Thread  #44 19 Mar 2021 at 10.45pm  0  Login    Register
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you lasted longer than i did....

you simply DO NOT mess with the Tyler....
Tinhead
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   Old Thread  #43 19 Mar 2021 at 9.02pm  0  Login    Register
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I turned it off after a minute
scozza
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   Old Thread  #42 19 Mar 2021 at 8.08pm  0  Login    Register
So, just watching comic relief and it’s the first time I have seen this, they were on it. Worth a watch

Nice bit of humour

Absolutely brilliant, nice to know that some people can see a funny side to all this crap, brilliant

Bluemoon1
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   Old Thread  #41 18 Mar 2021 at 10.56pm  0  Login    Register
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Had my jab 4 weeks ago. Arm was dead for about 2 days but the 1st night a was shivering uncontrollably for about 4 hours in the night. That aside i was ok. Wife had it but she took paracetamol before bed and was fine.
Wayne
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   Old Thread  #40 18 Mar 2021 at 9.02pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #38
Finally........
SPINBOWLER
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   Old Thread  #39 18 Mar 2021 at 6.11pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #37
No Gold star then?
Old-Cornishman
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   Old Thread  #38 18 Mar 2021 at 6.06pm  0  Login    Register
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You had me going for a couple of seconds then Wayne. 😂
mal
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mal
   Old Thread  #37 18 Mar 2021 at 4.57pm  0  Login    Register
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I think you mean you'd 'have' thought.

But you wouldn't


Because that requires a modicum of intelligence

Ask your wife to explain
spanker
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spanker
   Old Thread  #36 18 Mar 2021 at 9.21am  0  Login    Register
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Well , just goes to show what a numpty you are !

your medicine .


Wayne
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Wayne
   Old Thread  #35 18 Mar 2021 at 8.59am  0  Login    Register
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That’s terrible and hopefully it’s challenged as a breach of basic human rights!!!
SPINBOWLER
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   Old Thread  #34 17 Mar 2021 at 10.53pm  0  Login    Register
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I'd of thought you pair would of been proclaiming the jab as a grand plan by the Government and the Right Wing to control the masses?

You must be gutted the vaccination roll out is going so well, all you WOKE Lefties wont have anything to moan about.
spanker
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   Old Thread  #33 17 Mar 2021 at 10.33pm  0  Login    Register
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Get in there asap , the political shenanigans are ramping up now !
mal
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mal
   Old Thread  #32 17 Mar 2021 at 10.28pm  0  Login    Register
Got my text today. Will be calling tomorrow to try and get in asap

Who knows.... if I get it soon enough I might get a day off school with side effects!
ocelot
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ocelot
   Old Thread  #31 17 Mar 2021 at 7.01pm  0  Login    Register
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I'm really uneasy about this fully vaccinated to travel concept that appears to be becoming the norm. Young people have had to put up with a tremendous burden throughout all this, with in reality, very little risk. They're at the back of the queue for a vaccine and looks like there'll be a downturn in UK vaccinations coming shortly. Just doesn't sit right with me, but can't see another way.
Old-Cornishman
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   Old Thread  #30 17 Mar 2021 at 6.47pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #23
Like your confidence Steve. Any mention of conditions?
We’ve had cruise brochures through that state fully vaccinated only, presumably the second jab needs to be had few weeks before travel.
audiguypaul
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audiguypaul
   Old Thread  #29 17 Mar 2021 at 4.49pm  0  Login    Register
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Had mine yesterday lunchtime, AZ, arm was a bit sore for an hour after then I was fine. Went to bed and woke up about 0130 and couldn't get warm, legs were aching like mad, bit of a headache and felt like Tyson had punched me in the arm, tossed and turned all night and rough as this morning. Ok now just tired.
Bristolsaint40
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   Old Thread  #28 16 Mar 2021 at 6.39pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #27
Got mine next week, very surprised as I'm only 46
sbbaron
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sbbaron
   Old Thread  #27 16 Mar 2021 at 5.48pm  0  Login    Register
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Just got back from having mine
deaffred
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   Old Thread  #26 16 Mar 2021 at 5.41pm  0  Login    Register
deaffred
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deaffred
   Old Thread  #25 16 Mar 2021 at 5.35pm  0  Login    Register
No problems for me as I’m not having it 🤭
scozza
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   Old Thread  #24 16 Mar 2021 at 5.15pm  0  Login    Register
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Nice one. Something to look forward to
SL24SL
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SL24SL
   Old Thread  #23 16 Mar 2021 at 4.19pm  0  Login    Register
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I had my 1st Oxford Jab on Friday no issues at all .. thankfully ... Cyprus booked 17th June bring on the sun.
Hitman
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Hitman
   Old Thread  #22 16 Mar 2021 at 11.52am  0  Login    Register
22nd of this month for my first jab 💉💉
Tinhead
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   Old Thread  #21 16 Mar 2021 at 11.09am  0  Login    Register
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Watch out you could be accused of demeaning women
fishie
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fishie
   Old Thread  #20 16 Mar 2021 at 10.59am  0  Login    Register
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Update on Mrs back to normal today it was a lot quieter when she was under the weather
bobcross
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bobcross
   Old Thread  #19 15 Mar 2021 at 8.09pm  0  Login    Register
Got my first jab booked for Sunday, and the second in June. 😀
fishie
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fishie
   Old Thread  #18 15 Mar 2021 at 7.43pm  0  Login    Register
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I had a Pfizer jab in Feb no side effects and no problems. Mrs had AZ on Saturday spent Sunday in bed with chills, headache and tiredness, today she said she still doesn’t feel right😷 or is it because she started a round of antibiotics, started on Friday, is kicking in because her scar from skin cancer has an infection in it? 🤷🏼‍♂️
BRB
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BRB
   Old Thread  #17 15 Mar 2021 at 6.33pm  0  Login    Register
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I had an Astra vaccination 4 weeks ago - no side effects at all. Wife had hers 3 weeks ago, again Astra and no side effects.
ip100
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   Old Thread  #16 15 Mar 2021 at 2.19pm  0  Login    Register
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That will save many lives between now and then......
JohnnyEnglish
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   Old Thread  #15 15 Mar 2021 at 1.43pm  0  Login    Register
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The Govn calls them 'adverse reactions'. Thats plain to me

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

But by all means go ahead and have a jab with an experimental vaccine that doesn't finish being trialed until 2023
Jon
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   Old Thread  #14 15 Mar 2021 at 1.35pm  0  Login    Register
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.. but those deaths are not being attributed to the jab, are they?

They will include all sorts of reasons, including car crashes and lightning strikes.
Tinhead
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   Old Thread  #13 15 Mar 2021 at 1.33pm  0  Login    Register
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I reckon that can be explained HERE
LesT
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   Old Thread  #12 15 Mar 2021 at 1.27pm  0  Login    Register
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I had Oxford jab on 19th Feb, I had terrible side affects for a few hours afterwards, headache, fever, hot & cold spells etc. As advised in the jab paper work took aspirin every 4 hours, sore arm to. Due 2nd jab around. May time, so will have aspirin standing by. I am 66

Wife had hers the other day, she is 59, during the night she thought she was going to pass out in the bathroom, heard her nearly being sick, she also had very cold spells temp wise. So she suffered side affects due to Oxford jab, she took aspirin every 4 hours to.

Took my 85 year old mother the other day for her 2nd jab, she had Pfizer jab. She has COPD, pacemaker. She had no side affects.

My son is 20 so will have to wait a while yet for his first jab.
JohnnyEnglish
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   Old Thread  #11 15 Mar 2021 at 1.24pm  0  Login    Register
Pfizer seems to be a little safer

As of 11 March:

PFIZER - REACTIONS: 94,809. DEATHS: 227. BLINDNESS: 15

ASTRAZENECA - REACTIONS: 201,622. DEATHS: 275. CARDIAC: 39


chopper
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chopper
   Old Thread  #10 15 Mar 2021 at 1.20pm  0  Login    Register
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Top of my arm still feels a bit dead since Saturday morning. Feels like someone has punched me on the spot of injection
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #9 15 Mar 2021 at 11.12am  0  Login    Register
I had the Pfizer one a couple of weeks ago, had a dead arm for a couple of days and really bad chillls for an hour ,and weirdly the thumb on the arm I had the jab into siezed up completely for a little while too
Defiant.one
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Defiant.one
   Old Thread  #8 14 Mar 2021 at 11.53am  0  Login    Register
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2020

Like with most - 2020 did not seem to exist
spanker
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   Old Thread  #7 14 Mar 2021 at 11.37am  0  Login    Register
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2019 , you are patient zero then !so , it wasn't the Chinese

I had a dead arm for a few days , possibly felt a bit more tired than usual , my brother was in bed for 2 days after !
Defiant.one
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Defiant.one
   Old Thread  #6 14 Mar 2021 at 11.10am  0  Login    Register
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I had mine on Monday Oxford one too , similar side effects – arm felt like it had set in concrete for three days (Just like when you have had a tetanus jab in your leg) Only other side effect was a kind of sleeping sickness, falling asleep for fun, numerous times woke up to a stone cold brew! Other than that I’ve been fine.


I know some have had a massive fever and extreme fatigue for days after the jab, think the side effect level depends on whether you have had Covid in the past to a degree (I had it 2nd week in Feb 2020)
chopper
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chopper
   Old Thread  #5 14 Mar 2021 at 10.56am  0  Login    Register
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Lol yes. It was the Oxford one I had not the pfzar one just had a look at it
Tinhead
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   Old Thread  #4 14 Mar 2021 at 10.51am  0  Login    Register
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Tell you mate to stop complaining and that he's acting like a woosie.
chopper
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   Old Thread  #3 14 Mar 2021 at 10.40am  0  Login    Register
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I'm a diabetic. I had the Pfizer on and apart from the dead arm been fine.
framey
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   Old Thread  #2 14 Mar 2021 at 10.32am  0  Login    Register
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My dad had a headache for 2 days he had Astra Zeneca
My mum had Pfizer and had no probs she has health issues so wonder if they give Pfizer to those people ??
chopper
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chopper
   Old Thread  #1 14 Mar 2021 at 10.30am  0  Login    Register
Well had my covid jab yesterday. I feel fine apart from my arm. It feels like I've been punched hard on the spot of the Injection. My mate had the same Injection yesterday and he just text me saying he feels very sick. Head ache feeling sick shacking and so on. Has anyone else felt bad with there Injection or been fine with it
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