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i have posted before in this thread about my thoughts on using a drone ...right tool in the right location / situation
personally i love drones but then i live in Spain and fish on 300+ acres waters so the drone can save a lot of time spent on swim / fish location
but i do get how people could become annoyed if fishing say a 2 acre water and people are flying all over the place with there drones
but i have just watched NashTV's / Samir's latest video on Orellana in Extremadura Spain and they have used a drone for fish location ....in 20 mins with a drone they have acheived something that eyes alone on the water would never have shown them so to me that is smart angling using the best that technology has to offer them
otherwise you may as well just piss in the wind when choosing a swim on Orellana its not for the faint hearted being
4863ha surface area and 90% is accessible by boat only !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tUbrVI34gM
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In reply to Post #128
Seriously though there you have it, iconic Carp, iconic venues and an iconic angler....the common link.....a Baitboat..
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In reply to Post #122
I love the sound of a drone in the morning
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In reply to Post #127
Nah, you're thinking of a different Burgfield and a different Terry mate
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In reply to Post #125
Is that the Burghfield Common that has been caught on more than 1 occasion with the aid of a Baitboat....and the same Terry Hearn that used a Baitboat to catch the Parrot from Wasing... 
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In reply to Post #120
I can see what you're getting at, to be fair, using a boat is allowed but isn't access all areas like you might be thinking and doesn't add to my success rate in the slightest, prolly coz I'm s4it?
I'm still on the fence with it all. I've never ever used one before and never had the inclination to use one untill this season. I'll see this season out and weigh it all up whether I'll continue using it or not. I'll not go into details of the real reason I'm using a boat, just that it's non fishing related and saved my sanity by not casting out. If you were fishing the same place as me last year, you'd deffo want me to be using a boat instead of a spomb and not coz I can't use a spomb - apart from blowing loads up last season, there's that - or excessive bait use either, cryptic I know 
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In reply to Post #119
You needn't to of edited your post, I got got what you were saying and agree with the sentiments 
A drone as tempting as they are for very big waters, let's say an arbitrary 100+ acres, for me, they're a step too far, I mean, how easy do you want it, just turn the whole thing into a video game and remove the hunting aspect from it all. Your captures just end up as statistics instead of tales of tragic losses and epic captures. I remember Terry Hearn recounting snippets of one of his mates attempts at capturing the Burgfield Common and the list of things that went tits up for him along the way, that certainly won't be the case with a drone other than some battery packs going belly up... rivetting.
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In reply to Post #121
Thanks. Keep the faith
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In reply to Post #122
Oh I agree mate, If I spot one being used to find kippers or spots anywhere near me it'll be target practice regardless of rules.
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In reply to Post #120
Fair comment. Live and let live as long as they don't mind me as a sovereign angler with control of my borders defending my airspace from illegal immigrants. See, us remainers can adapt.
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In reply to Post #119
I dont know what your post 97 originally said but it is a very well put and something i agree with also your comments on 119
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In reply to Post #119
Not sure he knows what he disagrees with tbh. This is the guy that gets a buzz from "rules that massively handicap the angler" yet uses a bait boat.
End of the day drones are cheating. We all know it. Some ignore it. It's fair play, each to their own and all that. As long as they don't interfere with anglers I can't see problem. Most half decent waters ban them anyway.
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Have reworded the beginning of my post 97. Hadn't done a good job on that. Is that what you disagreed with Tee Cee?
Can't make the connection between emergency rescue services use of drones to save life which is marvellous, along with all other tech used for the same and other appropriate purposes.
I cannot agree to their totally inappropriate use in carp angling. It disrespects the art of angling and totally disrespects the fish.
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In reply to Post #117
The germans have been trying to take any aspect of fun out of anything for years.
Fixed it for ya....
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In reply to Post #116
The germans have been trying to take any aspect of fun out of carp fishing for years.
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I **** you not...on good authority, a well known German bait boat maker is producing software to link the bait boat with the drone when sending the bait boat out to a spot.....drone flying above it with the imagery sent back to the a tablet on the bank.
Coming to a lake near you very soon...
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In reply to Post #114
the first drone i see an angler using on my lake, i will shoot it with my 12 bore
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In reply to Post #113
Rem's - Rare Earth Magnets 
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In reply to Post #111
Can you explain what Rems are ...Ta...??
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In reply to Post #111
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In reply to Post #109
Take it from me Mal – 2.2 is effective at removing them from your airspace
Almost as much fun as planting a mine field of powerful Rem’s dangling from Snags, the same snags bait boat owners say “I never take my rigs out, and would never dream of placing them under those trees, as that’s the only sanctuary the fish have”
Highly amusing when they loose all signal from such areas 
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In reply to Post #108
If they had GPS tracking on fish, and drones in the air to show them. And they didnt let the angler see or use any of the data, they had to track down the fish using traditional watercraft and try catch them.
Thats a tv show i would watch.
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Don't worry I'm on to it... been on the phone to Korda this morning and top of everyone's Christmas list this year is ...
The Korda exocet surface to air drone missile. Guaranteed to take out any unwanted arial intruder in your swim. Comes in camouflage or carpy black in sizes small, medium, large and 'I'll take your feckin bivvy out too mate' xxl
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In reply to Post #107
Drones have no place in English carp fishing. Completely misses the point. How long before they want to gps tag the A team in a given lake?
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In reply to Post #106
I just pictured myself on a busy Essex circuit water with drones buzzing around spying fish, dropping payloads of bait and rigs out with bloke hauling with their chests out acting like hero's; like a lunatics asylum....lully
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In reply to Post #97
Halfcentury.... That is very well put sir!
Drones are the work of the devil. Clearly a lot of you love the idea... Just you wait until you fish a pit where they are in solid constant use for a year!!
They take ALL the skill out of carp fishing. All of it. Why bother baiting up and getting a spot going anymore? Just use your drone to find everyone else's spot! Let them do your work for you.... Little crowds of very bad anglers with zero watercraft, know where the carp are, at ALL times. It ruins a pit very quickly indeed.
I could always put some 50's into a barrel for you... You could easily shoot them from point blank range. Sort of like Call Of Duty and carp fishing combined. Triffic.
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In reply to Post #104
Use drones 24/7 if you like just not where orher anglers are bothered with that f.... noise they make.... I dont come in your swim running chainsaw just for fun so dont do the same by flying it over my head.
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In reply to Post #95
Agree with your point - 'perspective' needs to be taken into consideration if using a drone, however you could argue who sets the cut off point for what is deemed reasonable or not - any lake under 30 acres = no drones?
Slightly off topic but boringly or not, a British climber (Rick Allen) was lost on Broad Peak (adjacent mountain) at the time of the K2 descent . . .he had fallen badly off an ice cliff on a solo ascent and was basically lost, injured and therefore f**ked/dead. A call went out and the guy that was tracking the K2 skier 'nipped' across the valley and spotted him with the same drone in the middle of nowhere. . .a call went out and he was rescued. When interviewed afterwards the climber mentioned he hated drones when climbing as it ruined the purity of the experience but soon changed his stance when he realised the tech had effectively saved his bacon . . .
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In reply to Post #102
It's like I can see the arguments for all of these things, like castable sonar's, it's just a pimped up marker float that's bang accurate, a drone is just like climbing trees and spotting fish essentially in a way. It's like how far down the road do you want to take things?
The buzz for me is fishing a nightmare place, with rules that massively handicap the angler, hardly any fish, massive water, but when you do have one, it's like you've won the lottery however big or small that fish is; the size is irrelevant, it's the unlocking of the door that's the magic part of it all. The places rammed full of fish like Wrasbury for instance just doesn't do it for me, take all the fish out and leave 20 or so in there, join both lakes up and go back to the old rules, now we're talking, hell, even make half of it out of bounds...and no drones.
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In reply to Post #101
I understand with sea fishing, the ocean is vast
But not on a small lake, that’s mental
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In reply to Post #100
Yeah, saw it ages back with people doing it sea fishing. Bit heartbreaking really.
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In reply to Post #99
Didn’t realise people were dropping rigs with them, **** me. I was thinking more scan an area for fish and whizz round there in the boat/van
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In reply to Post #97
I can't say I agree with the initial part of your post when you say "carp are supposed to have a chance." I get what you're intention. Both your post and the one above hit the nail on the head.
Over the last few months I've been using a bait boat. Now don't get me wrong, being able to fish at mega long range and have a sonar is amazing and has given me the ability to fish where I'd never be able to get to. To be honest, it's totally synthetic and unattached. I had thought about using a drone for the place that I'm fishing simply down to stock levels and size of the place. Reality kicked in whereby I came to my senses and never took it any further, I mean, what's really the point in going when I can just make it happen, find the fish from the air, drop a rig off and wait for the rod to rattle off; absolutely dreadful. Why even bother going out ever again, just plug into your terminal, load up your favourite venue from the vast catalogue, and go Virtual Carp Fishing™.
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If I only had a week or so on a massive expanse of water I’d happily use a drone to help, likewise I’d have saved myself a fortune and a few weeks of searching rivers and coastlines had I had one on previous trips.
On a 5 acre carp puddle 20 minutes from home, it’s ridiculous
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The last few words of post 96 say it all unfortunately. "Carp don't stand a chance" The carp are supposed to have a chance.in fact they are supposed to have the advantage of their environment. That's the sporting contest between the hunter and his quarry. Hand and eye, brains and skill against the carp and its environment, senses and instincts. If a catch is to be worth anything, its not supposed to be easy. It's why I became obsessed with carp angling.
The use of thousands of pounds worth of technology that operates beyond the senses of the fish and multiplies the senses of the angler, giving him massive advantages he doesn't naturally possess completely devalues the sport of angling. It takes away the the fishes sanctuaries, it removes the advantages the fish get from their environment that make them hard to find and difficult to approach.
And then to cap it off carp persons( dont know what else to call them) create utterly artificial ponds and lakes with ridiculous stocking levels to make it even easier. Marker poles in swims that are fed daily??
A Passion for Angling bought us a few decades of good will. I think that if the general public informed by the antis see what modern carp and match fishing have become then the sport of angling will be finished. We are a tiny minority who are seen as bit odd by most. The GB public won't tolerate a sniff of cruelty. Snow and mountains are inanimate, use of equipment is all about enablement and risk control. Completely different sporting philosophy.
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Only got to watch the films put out by the well known tackle companies now, they all ping drones up for birds eye shots. The art of watercraft will soon be a lost skill, they don't have to do any of it now on these vids, they turn up, sling a drone up, find the fish and get on em, they even put em up mid sesh and if the fish have moved.... move on them. They make out like they have found them without the drone but thats complete tosh. Yes it will inevitably increase their chances of catching for the camera but its not teaching the new bread of anglers any form of water craft what so ever.
I can see a time when anglers will get a drone in the air before theyve even left home let alone get their gear out the car. Find the fish, then get around to the lake, send their stealth boat out with military grade sonar, thermal imagining and camera. Then they drop their flip spinner, anti eject, super balanced fandango rig onto the spot. Carp don't stand a chance 🤣
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In reply to Post #93
Thats awesome, he is achieving something that really couldn't be achieved before the technology. I agree if i was fishing an inland sea with a handful of fish i would happily use a drone.
But for the most part that people talk about, its the same as a ski person (skier?) using a drone to spot them selves down milton keynes indoor ski slope. And i'm sure that wouldn't be embraced in the skiing world.
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In reply to Post #93
That is absolutely insane. Just wow 
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In reply to Post #92
. . .If Izaak Walton had a baitboat, deeper and drone he would have def used them . . .
I'm not a drone owner, but if I was fishing a windswept inland sea that took a day to walk around I would 100% be considering one . . .its not cheating, its just using tech to maximise your available time. Having played with a drone (not whilst fishing) it also requires a modicum of skill to use it effectively, its not ever going to guarantee you fish, just maybe give you a fighting chance to help locate them on a clear day . . .
Tech has moved on and its being embraced, not dismissed in other sports . . .admittedly carp fishing isn't as hardcore but have a look here - K2 descent on skis
If you watch the full version you'll see the whole descent (which was effectively blind) was tracked live by a guy with a drone who relayed the issues in advance via comms - this was essential to ensure the skier didn't make a wrong turn, which on K2 even without skis would end up in guaranteed death. Using it didn't guarantee success, it just gave him a few % more luck points to complete the challenge without dying. A drone was also used to ship medicine to the skiers buddy who got sick just below the deathzone on the climb up and was left on his own. . .he wouldn't have made it down without a drone as he would have died before anyone got the chance to deliver the drugs. . .
Has the extreme ski community dissed this guy and his team for using a drone? Quite the opposite - as the first nutcase with melon sized balls to have achieved such a feat he's being lauded as a god . . . .and rightly so.
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I don't see the harm in using a Drone or a deeper. In the right circumstances they can be fantastic. They create very little noise, there's no disturbance and you can locate fish or even check on swims when fishing bigger waters. I've used my drone to check spots on the river and if someone is in a particular swim. Also used it for locating fish. As long as your not interfering with anyone else I don't see the problem.
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I'm not into the drone thing however, having seen one operated on the pit i'm fishing, they are a massive massive edge. Checking your spots and fish locating, it really needs to be seen to be believed. The imagery relayed from that thing to your phone is crystal clear. Absolute crackers. Blokes can scour 30acres of water in 10 minutes looking for fish...it is a piss take.
Each to their own chaps - as long as it doesn't affect my fishing, crack on.
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I have been an angler over 40 years, was also bought up trotting a stick float down the rivers, honing my skills using various techniques....I poured over books for hours got my Mum to pick up Angling Times each week with her Woman's Weekly and then went out and practiced what I had learned, over and over...
I've still got those skills and knowledge but am also willing to embrace modern Carp Fishing, I have no problem whatsoever with people using technology, fishing waters containing "wrong-uns" or thinking they are Urban warriors.....as long as you are respectful to other anglers and your quarry then crack on and enjoy it. Fishing is a hobby at the end of the day.
Sounds simple but if you don't like boats or other technology then don't fish waters that allow them...if you do fish waters that allow them then as long as they don't interfere with your fishing leave others alone!
Peace out. ✌
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In reply to Post #88
I was also taught the centre pin looping the line over 5 fingers of the left hand to draw line off the reel then casting at a rag and drawing back over it to catch it on the hook. I taught my son the same way. But he doesn't fish anymore.
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My first reel was a centrepin,that's how I learnt to fish ,used to practise casting a small unweighted float into a bucket, when I'd been deemed by my father ,to not get tangled up ,off we went and my lifetime journey in angling began..
For me it's all about the journey..always was,always will be...
I still have my Bernard Venables books,...
Each to their own I say,but glad I was brought up this way in angling terms,I use bite alarms,that's as far as I will go....
Modern tech takes the skill and hunter,which is buried deep inside you away from your innermost soul and being,once overt tech is involved,your a husk,nothing ,your senses are dulled,and your skills reliant on a screen..
Drones,deeper,and other gadgets destroy the art of angling,some of my cane n pin mates detest bite alarms,..it is what is....
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In reply to Post #56
Absolutely spot on ! 👌
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In reply to Post #80
My dad taught me to cast by casting at a metal dustbin lid at various ranges. Made a satisfying clang when you hit it. I was pretty good back in the day. Out of practice now. That's what it takes. PRACTICE.
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In reply to Post #75
France trips, (where strangely they are an acceptable
Because french fish don't count 
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In reply to Post #80
That's nothing , thay say thay put 3 on a dinner plate now days
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In reply to Post #76
There's some sarky beggars round Lancashire eh?
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In reply to Post #80
Kudos to the chap, great skills... 
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In reply to Post #76
In reply to Post #80
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In reply to Post #78
Nobody likes to earn the nickname “Skill less” 
On the flip side, I had the pleasure of watching a new member the other weekend – casting 50-60 yards in-between 2ft gaps in Iris clumps hanging over the waters edge without clipping up, not using any marker sticks are anything – with such ease.
I asked “How the hell have you gained those skills?” He explained that when on deployment in his spare time he would place a Un-hooking mat at different ranges in a field and practise casing to it, until he could hit it everytime with a lead, and kept doing it at all ranges.
I was well impressed
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In reply to Post #77
Stop droning on , respect remember that
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In reply to Post #76
He should have done the opposite and carried on taking it just to pi$$ everyone else off...
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In reply to Post #74
Never been any need too, as one guy found out who used one and landed a very nice Common via putting his rig out via a Bait boat, everybody else on the bank went up to the Bait Boat and congratulated it ,even hand shaking it's Ariel, while totally ignoring him (He never brought it with him again)
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In reply to Post #72
Lol....no doubt
To be fair I use my boat on one water only that is boat dominated and I will be coming off there next year so apart from France trips, (where strangely they are an acceptable accessory) it will be going into hibernation along with the Deeper that attaches to the back of it.
I do want a drone but really for photography etc, and although it will be interesting to get some aerial views of lakes I will not be using it is a fish-finder!
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In reply to Post #73
Why don't they just ban them then Keith... 
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On all four waters I fish – if anyone catches anything involving the use of Deeper, Bait boats or (heaven forbid) Drones it does not count, and it’s been that way for over 12 years.
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In reply to Post #70
Don't fret mate. There's a few that will always be ahead of you....
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In reply to Post #68
This is me
I call it my Amish Baitboat.
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In reply to Post #69
Well I have my baitboat, my deeper, my bushwhacker and am watching a drone on eBay so i will be at the top of the cnut list soon....
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In reply to Post #68
Good point. Let's go for the pole users too!
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In reply to Post #67
Wonder how many who would never use and slag off Baitboats happily use a baiting pole to drop next to those same snags...?
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In reply to Post #66
I'd add the 'I'll use it to drop baits right next to those snags that I can't cast to ' type as well. But I'm cynical like that
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In reply to Post #65
Of course those that have lost the ability to cast should use a boat.
It's those that have never learned to cast or gained any skills in the first place who are prone to be targeted by the 'no bait boats' club
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I was firmly in the 'no bait boats' club until I read a couple of posts on here from anglers who through various health reasons couldn't cast as they used to and explained how the boat helps them. Changed my perception a bit.
That said, I'm not for the inconsiderate use of any carp toys. Boats, drones whatever. It's the user that's the problem, not the kit.
As for drones specifically, they're great for arial shots for angling tv shows.
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Each to their own and all that as far as I'm concerned.
Use technology if you want, make sure you don't interfere with anyone else's Fishing and enjoy yourself. If people want to judge you because you use a boat or a drone or a deeper that's their problem.....some people want Fishing to be all Mr Crabtree but the world has changed.....
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In reply to Post #61
Couldnt have put it better.
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I've still never seen anyone use a deeper in real life. In fact ive never seen one at all.
I also watch a fair whack or crap on youtube and havent seen them used there either.
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In reply to Post #1
I've found they both just eliminate the ability to use watercraft. Why chuck a deeper out when the swim next door is like a jacuzzi? Like most of society, a tablet screen becomes the eyes and ears. We trust the information within pixels than we do our own mince pies. I could think nothing worse of going to all the effort of baiting a spot, getting it rocking and some absolute womble takes a toy boat with a deeper attached plops his rig in your margin.
It gives the ability to achieve the unachievable. You cannot physically see 60 carp 2ft under the surface 200 yards away in Grenville. You also cannot drop 2kg of bait and a rig on a dinner plate on that spot in one cast.
You physically cannot achieve it. It's impossible.
We have entered an era where we are allowing technology to go a step further than we can achieve by hand. By that I mean proper technology, not fixed spool reels and bite alarms which are beneficial for a carps welfare, not detrimental like a bait boat.
You reap what you sow. If you want to sit there in peace as the mini migrant boats with 50 krill imposters come sailing by into your water, good luck to you. The same goes with the "bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" of a 4 rotor drone as it monitors the clear spot that the boat is going to.
It's fishing, and if anything, it swings the odds massively (if unfairly) in our favour. Imagine the hunting community being told they can track down their quarry with a tablet and GPS tags, Archers having laser guided bows, cyclists being given lithium ion motors based on Tesla technology so they can beat their PB over a set distance....
It's all false. It takes out our human ability to achieve something using our senses, and was only created to make things easier for a softer breed of human who wants things on a plate. All the reward, minimal effort.
Yes, use a deeper if you want to map a lake out prior to fishing, but chucking it on top of fizzers in 5ft of water is embarrassing to watch. ****ing thing should be in the north sea looking for cod, not an underarm chuck looking for a gammy common.
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In reply to Post #59
Fished a day ticket lake other day, Ouch, I was soaking 3 boillies on the deck and a bait boat was suddenly over my boillies, so I said excuse me your over my flaming baits , he said your on the bottom mate, so I says er yer but your in me swim guv, and so it went on till I lost it, and he did retreat, oh how I flaming laught. Some words were changed
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In reply to Post #58
What people buy and use for their fishing is up to them, as long as good manners and etiquette are adhered to. But nailing my colours to the mast there are limits. A couple of passes at 100/150ft I can live with. Start buzzing me and hovering around my swim and you will get 1 double digit warning. If that doesn't work then pouch full of pebbles from my boilie pult will follow.
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In reply to Post #56
This shifts the emphasis from skills to how much £ you can throw at it.
Sums it up for me
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As a fully paid up member of the “older generation” my view is that drones are a step way too far. I dont like bait boats either. My reasoning is twofold really, essentially our quarry is a fish, with limited intellectual power, and tools like these shift the balance of the hunt far too far in the hunters favour. Secondly, anglers with the drones & boats also have a significant advantage over those who don’t too. This shifts the emphasis from skills to how much £ you can throw at it.
I’m fully aware that at my age the emphasis of my fishing is now more about the journey than the results. For example, the time spent learning a water, understanding fish behaviour, bait experimentation, noting the seasonal changes, and then a plan that produces a catch. This is what I enjoy about fishing now but I understand that for others everything is just about the catch. I suspect for those people carp fishing may not stay with them for a lifetime.
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Thing that often interests me, is that the older generation are actually often the ones who embrace boats and sonar etc. They have done it the hard way and see no reason to struggle like they used too.
And lots of the ones who oppose that new tech, like me, are tge ones who never got the chance to fish the time before it was all avaliable, and want fishing to be like it was before they were alive.
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In reply to Post #37
Just reading through this thread with interest...personally I haven't got a huge issue with Drones I think some of the footage and images produced are fantastic....I haven't got one personally but that's because I'm ham-fisted and would either put it up a tree or crash it to the bottom of the lake!
Post #36 did stick out though. Guy on our lake did exactly this....pulled into the car park, Sent his Drone up, saw that the fish were all down one end of the lake where every peg was taken....he then landed the drone, jumped back in his motor and went to another water.... ....it could be argued that was good angling, saved an almost definite blank!
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In reply to Post #52
Adam I very much doubt that many waters will allow the use of drones by 'normal' anglers, so I don't see them being an issue for most anglers.
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In reply to Post #51
I can remember going up to the Royalty with my dad and uncles in the 70s,word then was how swimfeeders are cheating and everyone was moaning about them..
Now I'm older,...but all this modern tech is somehow soulless,and not in the spirit of the chase,why,one might as well stay at home and play carp fishing on a big computer screen,maybe things need to regress a bit..
Each to their own and all that...but my modern tech,in angling extended to three bite alarms,at that point I'm out of tech,its no substitute for a level of skill,or not...
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In reply to Post #50
Hilarious how folk are justifying the drones and sonar aids. There's just no going back from this brothers and there is no doubt you are shortening your angling pastime.
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In reply to Post #49
yeah , but a bite alarm doesnt really help you catch any more fish, it just alows us to have a kip after the 4th cheese toasty in the monkey toaster,
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The way I see it all technologies are just angling aids to a greater or lesser degree, be it alarms, bait boats, Deepers etc the one thing they will never replace is watercraft IMO
BUT
If you have a Drone then who needs watercraft, just fly around till you find the fish
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In reply to Post #47
To be honest if I’m getting away fishing it’s usually to get away from all the technology and distractions of everyday life.
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Yea its cheating climbing up trees to see where the fish are and then you got the cheats using binoculars
proper anglers !!!!
cast out a decent rig go to sleep in a nice warm bag with the door done up and get woken up by the alarm telling them a fish has hooked itself dont need no cheating boats or drones ? just proper carping innit
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Agree it is disrespectful to the fish and the spirit and soul of angling. Only had a problem once, some numpty kept sending one low and slow and hovering at eye level in front of me. Couple of pouches of gravel solved it, didn't hit it, didn't care, just go away. They have no place on fisheries.
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In reply to Post #11
I think I recall Mr Crabtree getting upset over how the fixed spool reel was removing the skill from casting, but I could be misremembering.
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In reply to Post #43
Lol great footage i know but to use them for getting on to fish is against the spirit of angling in my old dinasour eyes.
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In reply to Post #42
will be interesting to see in 2031 when terrys 4th book will come out if he will still be jumping up/down the trees the whole day or he will just be drinking tea in his bivvy and looking on screen where the fish are
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In reply to Post #40
Its souless carping and a total disregard for other anglers space.
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In reply to Post #39
That’s when a good set of running shoes would come into
play.
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In reply to Post #34
The whole of life has become a big cheat; politicians, business, social media, elections, referendums, footballers, driving standards, carp fishing, you name it... Unfortunately many values have changed during the last decade or so, and that ain’t rose tinted spectacles; the soul has been lost from many things in pursuit of one aspect, MONEY...
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In reply to Post #38
Until you find out the owner of said drone is built like a brick s##thouse
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In reply to Post #37
Nothing a catapault and big stone wouldn't sort out.
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In reply to Post #36
I can just see groups of people setting off drones from the car park in order to see what swims are free....
I want piece and quiet so I would be far from the car park...in the not too distant future I can see these drones
Hovering in front of my bivvy door cause these nuggets in the car park will wanna see who you are....some people using these drones wouldn't think twice about dropping a load of bait right in your swim when they know your a mile away......I say ban them
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Is it possible to fit boat to air missiles to bait boats and air to sea torpedoes to drones? That would make life interesting.
Of course, both RC items have their place but it's the tossers that think they are 'must-haves' that are the problem.
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In reply to Post #32
Yes mate on a regular basis if you fish at certain times
nowadays i am more particular about what times to fish ...so now no more w/e's or bank holidays and to a degreee school holidays
as i said in my previous post about the poverty ...also alot of people here live in appartments in towns etc so they have no outside space of their own so a day out beside a lake is a familly occasion which means party time for them
the other downside is the rubbish they leave behind  even if the bin is 5mtrs away they aint walking that far ...so by the end of the summer the most popular swims also look like a landfill site with the odd pile of **** thrown in for good measure lol
i have friends that have confronted people leaving rubbish behind etc etc and they have always came off worst and are now soo scared they do not fish on there own anymore
i had 3 morrocans fish next to me and once they had realised there was no phone signal and the beer was giving them dutch courage they thought they would rob me ....except they were too drunk and i was sober with a baseball bat ...the outcome ended in my favour ...BUT it was pretty f*****g scary at the time and i wouldn't want to repeat the experience
this is the real side of fishing here that most people don't read about
give me an English day ticket / circus water and i would be as happy as a pig in ****
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i think people that use drones to find fish are cheating themself,
eg when darrel peck did the day ticket no privileges !, and i got told they had the drone up loads everyday to find the carp and move onto them with zigs, even finding them ,then waiting for people to go, to move into there peg,
and you dont read these things when you see pics of people holding up yet another 40lb carp etc, why make the sport easy, when we get the greatest feeling when we do the hard work and it pays off, its just cheating yourself
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In reply to Post #30
Sounds exactly like the last time I fished Linear
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In reply to Post #30
Bloody hell that sounds crazy I couldn’t put up with that I’d be fuming, does that actually happen that often?
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In reply to Post #30
ffs that's enough to make you give up fishing....or commit
murder, I complain when a person walks up to my swim and
at the top of their voice say "good morning", as you say
we just want peace and quiet, hope things get better for you in 21.
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As a few people on here have commented Drones can be a very useful tool when used correctly ...BUT as in every walk of life there are people that are complete tools themselves so that only compounds the problem more when you give a new toy to play with
and reading this forum ....people like peace n quiet whilst fishing and not fish in a circus ..which it can be here ...taken to a level which would see most members on here either commmiting murder or throwing there gear in the water and legging it
I live in the Murcia region of Spain which is very rural with alot of poverty especially this year
so we still have alot of people fishing for the pot with what i can only describe as LIDLS basic shark gear that cost 5 eur
and its not uncommon to have 10 or 20 people rock up and muscle in next to you ...set the pergola up and BBQ etc etc
and start the party ....then if you are still actually fishing and god forbid actually catch something they will be all over you like a rash trying to get the carp off you for the pot ....then try and cast anywhere within your swim on the off chance of a bite then get snagged up and it takes 4 of them to snap the 30lb line so end up getting the hump they have lost the only end tackle they own so they then start pestering you for end tackle and again get the hump when your size 12 hook cannot be tied to there 30lb line
...most EX PATS last about 30 mins before packing up !!!!
so to be sat on a 4 acre water with 10 anglers AND 4 drones flying about would be paradise to me lol....
FELIZ NAVIDAD
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Should not be allowed fullstop.
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In reply to Post #27
they are super useful but boy do I hate the sound they make.. cant imagine fishing with everyone using them!
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In reply to Post #20
Lol, 525 swims for 6 acres. Sounds about right some of the circus runs waters you see. 
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In reply to Post #1
i bought mine for doing some yt b-roll footage, they are actually quite useful, sure you'll get a few knob heads using them just the same as bait boats but they serve a purpose for the angler. They don't fly well in wind but during a high pressure spell at this time of year, one flight can potentially unlock your venue and save many hours of grind.
one guy in this thread has already mentioned seeing 60 fish in the upper layers on someone's footage, they give a birds eye view you just can't get from the ground and they are certainly safer than climbing trees and telegraph poles to get a better view
like most gadgets, it's not the gadget itself but the person using it and the lack of etiquette they have
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In reply to Post #5
Banned on several waters I fish too - all due to inappropriate use. I even had one appear above me swim as I was playing a fish - a couple of salvos with the catty soon had that gone. It's much like people using bait boats and deepers - all fine by me, but as soon as they start behaving like idiots with them, it's banned. Such a shame, but some people are just idiots.
Just an FYI... pal of mine kept spotting a drone hovering around the end of his garden - usually around the time his missis was getting dressed in the morning... yeah... he reported it to the Police, who did nothing. So, he decided to take matters into his own hands. Next time it came into view, he blew it to bits with a shotgun. Funny how the owner never reported that! It wasn't a cheap one either.
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In reply to Post #23
As with most tools used in angling (including rods and reels) the tool isn't the problem, it's the tool in charge of it that is.
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I have thought of getting one for a bit of fun (why not? Life is short and RC aircraft are fun) but would never use it on a lake if anyone was fishing there. But then I choose to fish quiet lakes so its quite easy for me to do...I drove past one of my syndicates on the way to work today and the car park is empty.
Maybe if people are asked to confirm they are flying to full CAA rules for drones then it would put off 90% of them
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In reply to Post #1
Used one of those swellpro splash drones in South Africa Xmas before last for the first time. Putting big dead baits out for sharks from the beach. Absolutely superb piece of kit and without doubt a game changer. Had a few large ragged tooth sharks using it that I'm certain I wouldn't without it. So it's upto you if you add one to your fishing kit.
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In reply to Post #19
Sounds like heaven.
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In reply to Post #19
Unfortunately here in the uk you’d be more likely to find 525 swims on a 6 acre lake. And there in lies the problem. Plenty of carp anglers I see on day ticket waters appear to already have zero fishing etiquette. Give them a drone and they’ll have another way to be even more antisocial and a pain in the arse.
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In reply to Post #18
i'm not sure if you know anything about drones or are just talking drivel
nobody owns the airspace above your lake ...yes there could be restrictions ..ie built up area / no fly zone etc etc
but if you have permission to take off and land then they can do what they like within the Drone code so not sure what it has to do with the EA
yes it would not be in the spirit of angling to have 4 drones flying around a small water ...but i would be gobsmacked if that would ever happen ..most responsible drone operators would only fly when no one else was on the water
i fish a 525 acre water here in spain that has 6 swims and can use the drone to see if anyone is fishing a certain swim without me having to drive a couple of miles off road to find out its taken saving me time and effort ...right tool for the job i think
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They shoudn't be allowed and should be banned.
They intrude and frighten most of the nature on \ around the lake, they're noisy, and just totally against the spirit of angling.
Take a 4 acre lake with 10 anglers fishing on it with 4 Drones flying around.
Totally selfish and irresponsible.
Hopefully the EA will lay the marker down. They damn well should.
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In reply to Post #1
I don’t agree with them myself and would never use one, however I can see the benefits.
Local park lake, clear, deep and mega weedy and where a lot of the known fish (nothing particularly big, low 30’s) had washed up dead over the last season, there was thought to be not much stock left. Builder who was doing us an extension in the summer this year showed me some drone footage of the lake on a sunny day - absolutely nothing around the edges, but at least 60 Carp sunning themselves on the surface right in the middle. Was ridiculous, if you were walking around it you’d think there was nothing there. He said that was normal behaviour and whilst they did visit the margins, it wasn’t in numbers.
On ‘normal’ day ticket/syndicates though you’d go apesh*t if they started flying around the lake.
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If drones are to be allowed. Can I have a Predator please.
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In reply to Post #13
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In reply to Post #12
Maybe you are a bit younger than me then ...
But yes the carbon bit was a bit tongue in cheek
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there are some proper weird people on this form that just post drivel
Angling is an individual hobby/sport means different things to different people just fish the way you want to so long as your fish care is spot on
and totally ignore these absolute C***s that try to impose what they consider the right way to fish and the *****s that tell you what to wear !
they just need to get a F*****g life and not worry how others choose to fish or what they wear
Hope you all have a blinding Christmas despite the times we are living in and a great 2021
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In reply to Post #11
I don't remember alarms or carbon rods being contentious. Why not just net the lake and have all.the photos you want?
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In reply to Post #9
Go back even further to the alarm debate isn’t that using technology
Old school anglers used to stay awake then progressed onto the penny and tin method
I’m buggered if I want to use split cane I’ll stick to carbon
But for those who do fair play your fishing do it how you want
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My mates kid got a little toy drone last year. Loads of fun until they get caught in your feckin hair....
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In reply to Post #8
Do you think the old anglers called the new guys cheaters when using a marker float first came onto the scene?
I don’t have one but don’t have anything against the deeper things. Although it irritates me people using them to find fish. For mapping out a lake to me there’s not really a difference. They both do the same thing but one way is just easier and more detailed and accurate.
Some of us fish solely just for the end result of fishing (having a large carp on the bank) and some of us fish for the pursuit and challenge of gaining that result gives us.
I’m still on the fence with it all but I’d love one of them bait boats that can completely map out a lake for me then print it off, put it away and use my marker and spod rod after that.
I suppose anyone who has turned their noses up at deepers should also burn any copies of lake maps they’ve seen and never listen to other anglers when being told about features and depths etc.
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In reply to Post #7
I have a deeper but feel it is like bait boat rules
You just don’t talk about them lmao
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In reply to Post #1
Drones are brilliant pieces of kit, I use a half decent one in work occasionally to check on the factory roof and its brilliant. I would love to take it down to my lake and have a look at it from the perspective. However I would never be taking it fishing with me and regularly using one.
As for deepers I don't really understand why there is a dislike for them. I think they can be really beneficial from what I have seen. Again like a lot have said I wouldn't use for fish finding but more for feature finding and mapping a lake out.
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I agree with blankasorus I don’t see nothing wrong with using a deeper at all, you can thrash the water with your marker float trying to find some features when in 3 casts I’ve found mine without any disturbance, I don’t even have the fish finder section on tho I only use it for depth and feature finding, as for the drones they are banned when I fish so it don’t bother me but I don’t think they are a good idea especially the ones I’ve seen the noise they make I wouldn’t want to sit there all day listening to that
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Fortunately they are banned on my waters as are remote controlled boats.
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My worry with them is the noise. It’s loud enough where I fish at times from all the Heathrow planes, without the buzzing of them as well. Imagine on a weekend having half a dozen of them up at a time. Lads shouting at each other “you’re flying in my air”. That air belongs to that swim. Wait for the first report of a mid air collision.
I personally see nothing wrong with a deeper as a feature finding/mapping tool.
A couple of years ago a lad was baiting up on one of my waters with a paintball gun. He was only doing it for a laugh but I thought oh god someone’s loosing an eye in a minute!
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In reply to Post #1
I did have similar thoughts until I'd lost fish being cut off, using a Deeper cleared it up for me and other anglers who I've informed of certain underwater features where they had lost fish - essentially big graveled spikes.
I hadn't used a marker float in years, neither have I ever used a real boat or RC controlled boat. I can see the inclination to use a drone, I wouldn't use one myself, and neither would I use a RC boat. I can see why in some situations an RC boat can become a useful tool, though I've joked with others I've spoken to, it won't be long until RC drone submarines will be all the rage.
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In reply to Post #1
The older I get the less I care about what anyone else does in their fishing
If they want to use a drone so what as long as it doesn’t involve them casting into the water I am fishing of lands on me then knock yourselves out.
Fish to your own terms
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They frighten me to death. We are starting to see them on YT, used obsessively for overhead filming but inevitably followed up with baits put right on the fish, and I expect them to start turning up over the desperate Millennials. The Deeper craze is well under way and you can't unhear information gleaned dishonestly. These Deeper dudes make every excuse to cover their shame. The only saving grace is that if they have to go to such lengths, they arent long in this game.
If you get a drone for Chrismas, please dont make it part of your fishing kit.
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