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In reply to Post #1
Went to France last week with 60kg of boilies and another 20kg of tigers. Didn’t even hide the bait and never got stopped.
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I'm glad people are taking bait without problems.
But please be aware that the only reason for this is the French authorities being nice and choosing not to apply the rules.
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In reply to Post #506
We took 80 kilos three weeks ago no problems at all
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In reply to Post #510
Chris, we don't have any COVID restrictions so there is no need to check you when you come back in.
Micky, the potential issue re bait is going into the EU not coming into UK.
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They're simply not interested - just got back and had plenty on show in two vans and not a word said. They don't seem over bothered about covid vaccination proof either, had to show it going out but not for coming back to England.
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In reply to Post #508
Came back 3 weeks ago on the ferry had particals on show no problem
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In reply to Post #506
Got back on saturday and still had a few bags left. Wasnt asked on way out or back. Did have them hidden as well tho but no one was interested in checking.
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In reply to Post #506
Got back Saturday! Had 40kg of boilies and 25kg of pellet and no one was interested. Asked us where we were off to and wished us luck! Can only go from that one experience but they weren’t fussed at all 🤷♂️
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In reply to Post #505
Any updates or first hand experience in the last few weeks as I’m out in the next few weeks?
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In reply to Post #503
They really don't care. Apart from maybe one or two instances where they have to be seen to be doing something, customs have bigger fish to fry, and they have done throughout the whole pandemic, and now the Ukraine crisis.
Trust me, If you had a van with a ton of boilies and a box of military boots tucked away in a bag, it would be the boots they'll grill you about.
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Went over last week,took boiles,pellets and particle.
Apart from a random security check,customs really aren't bothered.
They see fishing gear and wish you luck.
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In reply to Post #502
Any more updates
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I’ve never taken boilies to France ,nuts all the way for me
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In reply to Post #498
Take a look at NE baits based in Ireland. They make a really cracking range of quality baits which we have used to great success on our lakes.
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In reply to Post #498
You live on an island which has more livestock than it does people. Make use of the animal feed sir. Most of it works better than boilies anyway 
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In reply to Post #498
You would think that there are no fishing shops in France , no bait companies in France , and no anglers using boilies in France 🤔
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In reply to Post #497
i cant even get bait shipped to northern ireland any more!
cc moore - mainland uk only
solar - mainland eu only
baitcraft - ask us again in april LOL
ive given up asking companies now, pointless asking any of our useless shops even before brexit all your getting is ancient dynmaite stock thats been sat about for years
looks like i wont even be able to get ferry over and load up the boot with boilies and bring that home any more
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In reply to Post #494
No really, it's the result of the UK voting to leave the EU and thus becoming a third country. As a 'third country' we are subject to the rules and regulations that we helped form when a member of the EU.
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In reply to Post #490
It’s classed as animal feed I believe. It’s all on the Gov website, not hearsay from a friends uncle etc. The French didn’t seem that bothered at the start and people were taking bait and food over largely with no problems. Can’t say I’ve heard much about them getting stricter on it these days though so probably be ok but it’s always a risk
I’m heading to France in July and intend to take all my bait and food with me but am prepared for it to be taken off me if it comes to it
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In reply to Post #492
Yes it has the same ingredients.
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In reply to Post #492
Good point
Just the French being French I guess 🤷
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In reply to Post #491
I think you will find all the answers on google are from lake owners. Do what you`ve always done take your own,
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In reply to Post #491
But doesn't the same named bait i buy in the UK or France have the same ingredients in????
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In reply to Post #490
All boilies have some sort of milk protein or meat in weather its krill squid or milky toffee cell
Asked Google and this is the response
Can I take boilies to France?
No. Currently you are NOT allowed to take Boilies to France. Since leaving the EU you can NOT bring any meat or dairy products into France or other EU countries, from outside the EU.
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In reply to Post #489
Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain why allegedly i can`t take boilies to France, is it certain ingredients, is it classed as exportation if I take 50kg for my personal use . Yet allegedly I can take pop ups etc because they're classed as lures yet my 50kg is not. If say a well known boilie make contains no banned ingredients and is available to buy, having been exported over, from a tackle shop or lake owner then why cant i take my 50kg over of that same boilie?? Where does it 100% say I cant take boilies and not on the hearsay from someone's friend, uncles brother. I've been over several times in the last 2 years with no problems or questions, nothings been hidden, just like we`ve been doing for the last 20 years.
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In reply to Post #488
Any more updates
I've heard the French are getting tight and are searching more vehicle's for bait and food
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In reply to Post #487
Flying back to England next week, just wanted to bring back a few pots of pop ups. Anyone flown with bait yet. Bloody extortionate price on pop ups where I am
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In reply to Post #486
I think it's just pot luck
I don't know anyone that's been stopped
Or fined only what I have read.
No bait and no food ??
You'd telling me that any caravan that goes to France won't have food in there fridges???
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Never been stopped either in my car or travelling in a van with others
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I read on another forum about people getting bait confiscated and fined,but doesn't mention how much the fine is
Seems a bit potluck if I'm honest
HAVE ANYONE OF YOU LOT BEEN STOPPED????????
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In reply to Post #483
No meat or dairy. I'm sure small quantities won't be an issue and it's luck of the draw on if and who stops you.
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In reply to Post #482
What could you legitimately take ? Bloodworm products (seen no mention of insects) hemp oil (plant based but not a seed - seen a tea bag as an example of something that could be taken) breadcrumb? ( again seen with sandwichhate apparently the filling was the issue) ?
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In reply to Post #480
been quite a few times over last 6 months with no issues
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In reply to Post #480
Went in December with food and bait we got through ok
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Has anyone been out recently and taken bait and food ? Cheers guys
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In reply to Post #478
thats exactly the reason i wouldnt advertise taking bait and or food into france...it takes one moron on social media to make a call.
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In reply to Post #476
it was a bit of a drag!
when i did some winter work parties there, the drive was so much better.
Bailifing was fun 
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In reply to Post #475
what a ******* of a coach journey that was!!
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In reply to Post #474
if i was taking my own bait, i wouldnt advertise it openly, i know someone on here who got stitched up like a kipper on his way out to Les Quis some years ago.
mentioning no names 
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In reply to Post #472
Same for our group of 4, we travelled Newhaven to Dieppe and returned yesterday.
No checks on food or bait for us either. Only interested in our passports and COVID vaccination status.
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In reply to Post #472
Ah thanks we won’t have food either, just few kilos of bait , 👍👍👍👍hope the fishing is good 🎣🎣
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We came out Friday night on tunnel, no checks for food or bait (didn't take food just in case ) and we only bought pellet and a few boilies as using the lake bait...
Just showed passport and asked if we were double jabbed, French side just waved us through showing nothing ...
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In reply to Post #470
Ahhh all sounds good then , are they asking if you’re carrying bait or food ,,, or are they just checking COVID papers and letting you through 👍👍👍
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In reply to Post #469
I came out last week on the tunnel with no issues at all and my mate came out to join me on the ferry last night and he had no problems either.
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In reply to Post #461
Hello mate, I have seen your post on taking your own bait... Get checked? get it taken off you at all? Im looking at doing the same
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In reply to Post #466
about 20 / 30 mins longer than normal - both ways (along with most people) i got pushed to the following train i was booked on.
Uploading all your covid requirements onto your online chunnel ticket worked a absolute treat. No hassle at all. Better than the airlines ive been on this year.
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In reply to Post #466
No food or bait checks when I went last week.
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In reply to Post #465
Any queues/delays outside the normal?
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In reply to Post #464
Same here - no checks for me on the Chunnel last week.
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In reply to Post #463
That’s great we’re out in 2/3 weeks,,,, have a great trip,
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Just boarded the tunnel now and the only checks they made were for passports and they swabbed my van door handles for explosives.No vaccine checks at all even though I’m double jabbed so it’s good old English boilies for the Carp and English sausage and bacon sarnies for me 👍
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In reply to Post #461
no checks for me at the tunnel gutted as I did not take any food or bait
wish I had, there French check was just passport and vaccine form that was it. had the swob test done on car but that was the only checks cant see them looking in cars, if you do then you have been very unlucky
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I’ll be taking my own in a few weeks 👍
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In reply to Post #459
A good mate also went over on Sat into Dieppe, had about 20k boily and dry particle with him. Just usual checks, he said.
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In reply to Post #455
We travelled out Saturday, got stopped at Dover and calais but just routine checks…mainly how much cash we were carrying..
Said we were going fishing and didn’t question our bait at all
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In reply to Post #457
What about liquids can we take them across
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Any comments on whether we can take trout pellets in?
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In reply to Post #455
I have been through the tunnel 3 times in the last 2 my months and it just usual tests .
As long as you have not got hundreds of kgs I think you will be fine. As it's for personal use.
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We’re out to france 2/3 weeks any of you guys been out last 2/3 weeks???? Any news on tacking bait ???? ,,,, thanks
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In reply to Post #453
I'm not going to risk it. It's a holiday not a smuggling expedition.
I'll buy my particles etc over there.
Thanks for the tips on where to get it from.
Cheers Mike
UTFT
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In reply to Post #448
“Please don't shout.”
 You know the forum well
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In reply to Post #451
I know several people who’d had no issues what so ever…Apparently their not bothered about bait at all.
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Hi guys so has anyone actually had there bait taken of them or fined ? I’ve heard of lots of people have no trouble whatsoever?
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In reply to Post #449
👍
Thanks
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In reply to Post #448
Gamm Vert
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In reply to Post #447
Please don't shout.
I've seen it on here but I can't find it now.
Where in France can I buy Hemp / pigeon conditioner /maize?
I've Googled it but not getting any ideas where I can buy it in 10 /20k sacks.
What are the names of the companies that sell it in bulk?
Cheers Mike
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In reply to Post #444
Pretty certain it’s just for explosives or at least for the past 10 years it has been. 😉🤭🤫
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In reply to Post #444
Drugs and / or explosives, just a random check
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In reply to Post #444
Yes and explosives
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In reply to Post #443
That’s good to know. Out of interest what is the steering wheel swab all about!? Drugs I assume?
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In reply to Post #442
I’ve been over twice since May. I got pulled in once to the side for steering wheel swab, asked about guns and knives. The let me straight through second time.
All my bait has been on show in the car, to ensure that if they do check it, I’m clear of sneaking it across.
They have absolutely no interest in a bit of bait.
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Hi guys as there’s a lot of us going back out to france now , anyone had any issues with taking bait, liquids, particles etc , with the authorities, fines or having it taken of you ? Not sure what to do about talking it???
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In reply to Post #439
Mine will be stored in the freezer at the venue.
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In reply to Post #439
I get it fresh frozen. But Andy is very helpful if you have special requests.
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In reply to Post #437
Is it rolled fresh Ken (freezer bait) or can you get it air dried?
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In reply to Post #436
My mate was out last month and he said the only checks they were doing is the usual swobbing of the door handles and steering wheel so I think I’ll just do what I’ve been doing for the past 20 years and chance it. It would be nice to know if anybody has been checked with their bait in clear sight and got the all clear?
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Already ordered mine. It will be waiting for me at the venue in September... 
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In reply to Post #435
My experience is no they are not but, there is no certainty to that so if you do risk it you need a back up plan.
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Does anyone know if the customs are really enforcing the no boilie rule?
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Union Jack Baits for me. They will create bespoke baits and deliver it to you chosen venue. The owners, Andrew & Ben BERNARD know their stuff. They rolled for Nutrabaits back in the day and Bill wouldn't use any two bit organisation.
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In reply to Post #430
Thanks for the heads up, they are based near Vitry le Francois which is where I’ll be in 2 weeks. Works out perfect for me
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In reply to Post #430
Try Union jack baits.
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In reply to Post #430
Have you tried King Carp Products owned by Nic Brown based in the Loire Valley he does a great range of baits
Prices are good too 27kg for 230 euros
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In reply to Post #429
I have been reading this thread with great interest as hopefully heading out later in the year. I searched a few bait companies in France making some enquiries including some mentioned in this thread and they are all roughly the same priced which worked out about £10 a kilo plus delivery on top, which with no bulk order discounts seemed pretty expensive to me as most companies in the Uk will give the discount buying in bulk and the delivery cost seem a tad high!.
I sent emails out to several companies in the Uk, but to be quite honest they were pretty much useless, just saying ‘due to restrictions they havent been sending it out’ Angling trust seems to be pretty poor with only update being back in January that they are trying to fight the case!
The only company that seem to have mastered it at the moment is mainline baits, they were able to direct me to a lake owner who stocks the Cell and have a chap at Calais on Friday and Saturdays to deliver to anglers at a cost of €20 an order. They do of course do particles which seem reasonably priced, more so than the quotes i was getting from the French companies! At the moment though it is just Cell bait in stock but this may change in time. If anyone is interested the website i was provided was https://www.levasion.co.uk/copy-of-t-c?fbclid=IwAR0UvQ82zmbFfMIbHqATiYADeBXUzTh7c8aRHPXbjOlUpOeAxq5uLW8vPWs
Please note i have no links to this company, just merely wanted to share my findings, as i recon i have spent countless hours reading the forum posts, googling bait companies and sending emails, so just my pennies worth!
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In reply to Post #428
I agree , those prices are a bit much for me as a lone angler , £1.50 a kg postage 😂
I haven't asked where they are based , I'd imagine , very near to Calais , well that would be the obvious place to set up .
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Looking at those prices I feel people will still take the risk with taking their own bait over
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In reply to Post #426
Shoreline baits (now in France ) price list ,
Sorry if it looks a bit jumbled , but you get the idea ,
Group buys look to be the way forward , value wise .
20mm GLM Sausage Oil
Choco Orange Nut
Mix Skittles
Sausage
Euromix
Delivery
per kg
10kg-50kg 10.95 € 10.95 € 10.95 € 9.95 € 1.50 €
50kg-100kg 9.95 € 9.95 € 9.95 € 8.95 € 1.50 €
100kg-200kg 8.95 € 8.95 € 8.95 € 7.95 € 1.50 €
200kg-300kg 7.95 € 7.95 € 7.95 € 6.95 € FOC
300kg plus 6.95 € 6.95 € 6.95 € 5.95 € FOC
18mm GLM Sausage Oil
Choco Orange Nut
Mix Skittles
Sausage
Euromix
Delivery
per kg
10kg-50kg 10.95 € 10.95 € 10.95 € 9.95 € 1.50 €
50kg-100kg 9.95 € 9.95 € 9.95 € 8.95 € 1.50 €
100kg-200kg 8.95 € 8.95 € 8.95 € 7.95 € FOC
200kg-300kg 7.95 € 7.95 € 7.95 € 6.95 € FOC
16mm GLM Sausage Oil
Choco Orange Nut
Mix Skittles
Sausage
Euromix
Delivery
per kg
10kg-50kg 10.95 € 10.95 € 10.95 € 9.95 € 1.50 €
50kg-100kg 9.95 € 9.95 € 9.95 € 8.95 € 1.50 €
100kg-200kg 8.95 € 8.95 € 8.95 € 7.95 € 1.50 €
200kg-300kg 7.95 € 7.95 € 7.95 € 6.95 € FOC
14mm GLM Sausage Oil
Choco Orange Nut
Mix Skittles
Sausage
Euromix
Delivery
per kg
10kg-50kg 11.95 € 11.95 € 11.95 € 10.95 € 1.50 €
50kg-100kg 10.95 € 10.95 € 10.95 € 9.95 € 1.50 €
100kg-200kg 9.95 € 9.95 € 9.95 € 8.95 € 1.50 €
200kg-300kg 8.95 € 8.95 € 8.95 € 7.95 € FOC
For orders of 300kg+ please contact info@shorelinebaitsfrance.com
Direct Sales
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In reply to Post #425
What are the rules on taking liquid over?
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In reply to Post #423
I guess the only people that can answer that are those that have tried and failed to take boilies on a reasonably small scale to France. Other than that it's all conjecture. Not sure if anyone on here has been caught and is then happy to relay the experience on?
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In reply to Post #423
Fact is, there is no record. The only thing that will cause you issues travelling to and from the UK is either smuggling drugs, weapons and/or people, or you require a visa and rock up without one.
Being caught with abit of Polish Sausage (I ain't talking about the blonde type) won't be kept on record. Nor will having a couple of hundred fags over your allowance. Large scale? Yes, you will have issues.
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We got caught bringing pre vac packed sausage (lukanka) from our home in Bulgaria prior to BG joining the EU, on maybe two occasions, both by sniffer dogs. No big deal, it would only have been for our own consumption. Both times they just kept it (Gatwick) and no more said, and certainly no being marked as a smuggler and having a 'record' of such in a passport, so where this idea came from I'd be interested to know.. I think the worst outcome would be you'll lose the bait at the port and have to buy more somewhere there, but so far I have not heard of one single case of this..
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In reply to Post #421
I would think you cross the line to "deliberate and concealed" if they ask you first, you keep stum and they find it in a search.
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In reply to Post #420
Think it depends whether or not you try to conceal ie smuggle rather than make an honest mistake
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In reply to Post #418
Is it criminal law or environment law when it comes to bringing bait into europe? If it's environmental, there shouldn't be any "blot" on your record. Even some criminals in this country can travel freely, it's all dependent on severity.
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In reply to Post #418
As they never heard of that before  yes as you said getting flagged is probably the worse possibility after that you can expect to unload your van on almost every trip...
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In reply to Post #417
I don't think it's just losing the bait, it's the potential fine and blot on your record that can go with it. If you hide it there's more chance of getting accused of trying to smuggle it in. If you are gonna run the risk then i'd put it somewhere obvious so if you do get searched you can plead ignorance!!
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In reply to Post #415
So it sounds like although technically you’re not allowed to take bait, as long as you understand there is a risk it could be confiscated, in most likelihood it won’t be and you will be fine. Be good to hear a few more people’s experiences/what they’ve seen, to build an accurate picture of the scale of the risk.
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In reply to Post #415
As I've said to a few mates, The French are more concerned about Syrians leaving the country in dinghies, and they will also have their targets on brasses being smuggled out of the UK.
They don't give a toss about Dave in his Ford Mondeo. Daves are ten a penny. It's Bob driving a 7.5t on his own that raises eyebrows, especially during a pandemic, and considering we export **** all to Europe.
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In reply to Post #414
My pal came over Sunday for 11 days fishing. Not checked for anything. None of the other vehicles coming through were stopped or checked either, that he saw.
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In reply to Post #413
I think most people are abiding by the rules!!
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In reply to Post #409
Very odd thing to share on a public forum if you are worried about it sending out the wrong message David!
Though in hindsight, there are very few reported instances (if any??)of anglers having any difficulty with taking a bit of bait to France so far.
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In reply to Post #411
I agree , but if do it and get away with it , keep it to yourself  the more that admit they got away with it , the more will try , then they will really will clamp down on it .
Reminds me ,I need to make a false floor in my van 🤣
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In reply to Post #410
how about you just take responsibility for your own decisions whatever they may be. If you want to do it then do it, if you don't, don't - used to be called freedom of choice I believe.
no dig at anyone in particular but seems we have been living in a prison long enough.
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In reply to Post #409
Wonder if turner baits will chip in for anglers fines for those who get caught, fined or have their bait confiscated? Or how about he gives you your bait for free, if you get it into France you pay on your return. If it gets confiscated you pay nothing.😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #408
Just picked up this posting, have edited out the name of the lake.
"Turner baits consultant Sam Doyle has just finished a weeks fishing on the mighty ???????? and opting to take the risk with his bait over the border...
Here's what Sam had to say
Highlights from a week at lake ???????.
Mixing the in-house particle with krill and crab (whole, crumbed, halved) and matching wafters over the top proved to be the winning formula.
If anyone wonders, we took about 100kg of bait over and there was no issue whatsoever.
Have a trip overseas booked? Sam's not the first to report taking his bait as normal without any issues, we don't encourage anyone to take the risk but with so many people asking about bait and the borders it's good to be able to answer the limbo of what has become of overseas fishing trips after brexit
Www.turnerbaits.co.uk"
Sorry to say this, but this sends out the wrong sort of message to anglers, forget the rules about essential travel which have been made by the UK and French Governments and also forget the regulations about taking baits to the EU. company
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In reply to Post #407
Cheers
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In reply to Post #406
https://www.facebook.com/768221673287362/posts/3910034975772667/
Munch baits seem to have cracked bait export , sorry can't do links , worth a look though .
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In reply to Post #405
I was thinking of animal feed store
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In reply to Post #404
if you dont find any tackle shop you can find them in decathlon.
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In reply to Post #403
I'm due out in 5 weeks 🤞 but it's not looking good.
Where in France 🇫🇷 can I buy dry tiger nuts?
Any advice I'd be grateful.
Cheers Mike
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Hey,
sorry for jumping on the thread, Myself and my partner are due to fish a lake in France in August (fingers crossed we can still go)
We understand that we cannot take bait over with us from the UK however does anyone have the most up to date correct information on whether we can take pop-ups - hard hookers, wafters etc with us. Including attractor liquids (providing they do not contain animal products or dairy)- ours is a nut syrup mix.
Partner will be using TigerNuts and from what we understand we have to have these ordered to the lake from within the EU but I may be wrong
Would really appreciate any clarification
include the isolation upon returning (we are both double vaccinated due to work requirements)
Melissa
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In reply to Post #396
you can only take 2kgs of particles anyway
thats one rod sorted for a few hours then
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In reply to Post #398
IMO; they can mostly speak reasonable English and have always been decent to deal with, most of them think we are all just a bit mad..
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In reply to Post #396
Thanks jim, i suspect the same
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Buoyancy checks as customs then
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In reply to Post #394
I was told that pots of hookers, popups etc are to classified as lures rather as a animal food item such as bags of boilies.
That's fine, but try explaining that to a French customs border guard who doen't speak or understand English. I can speak a bit of French but I very much doubt it is up to that sort of challenge!
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I can imagine some people now buying 100’s of clear pots to put their boilies in and passing them off for pop ups
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In reply to Post #395
I expect that prepared particle will be in the same category as boilies as they can be classified as animal feed items.
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In reply to Post #394
Thats some good news, have you heard anything about prepared particles tigers etc
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In reply to Post #393
I was told that pots of hookers, popups etc are to classified as lures rather as a animal food item such as bags of boilies.
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In reply to Post #382
You won't get penalised for 3 or 4 pots of wafteters or hard hookers. Stick em in your tackle bag and forget about them. Douanes will be looking for freezer boxes full of bait, bacon, sausages etc. Put yourself in their shoes. You stop a van, pop the back and side doors open and you would soon work out if it's possibly carrying bags of bait. You're not going to spend hours rummaging through every little bag, holdall or tackle box
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In reply to Post #390
Fish a boilie and cork ball snowman style?
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In reply to Post #388
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In reply to Post #389
100 points for the obvious but I don’t want to use them I prefer having a bit of buoyancy in my hookbait
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In reply to Post #388
You can actually catch carp on straight bottom baits it's been done before you know
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In reply to Post #383
I didn’t actually think about that 🤦♀️ Sorry blonde moment lol
Well if hookbaits don’t come under the bracket of being banned be a lot easier then
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In reply to Post #385
Exactly what I was told ..hookbaits are ok ...not to happy with the prospect of not being allowed to use my own boilies.......or even worse to be stopped and then having your passport stamped as 'smuggler '
Only they leave the part out of 'boilie smuggler '...
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In reply to Post #385
no one is going to get stopped with a pot of pop ups
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In reply to Post #382
I thought you could take hookbaits anyhow as theyre not deigned to be eaten and classed as lures, probably wrong though
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In reply to Post #382
Pretty sure there will be plenty of options till next year...
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In reply to Post #382
or take some sticks of cork and drill the bottom baits out 
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Lake I’m going to next year has started two different house boilies, not doing any hookbaits. My friend that I’m going with is taking 2 pots of hookbaits with him hiding them in his van, I’m starting to think that’s a good idea else we will have to fish straight bottom baits or find some where over there that sells them.
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In reply to Post #380
7.5 tonnes i hear
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In reply to Post #379
Plot thickens! It was not anglers it was a lake owner with a lorry trying to take **** loads of boilees over!
If fisheries price there house bait to high then anglers won’t buy and won’t feed the fish, owner then needs to supplement this out of his own pocket!
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In reply to Post #375
you carry on pal, its not like I care what you do!!
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In reply to Post #376
And certain lakes are boilie only and don’t sell bait on site
Then your really screwed
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In reply to Post #375
We took bait when the Mad cows desease bad came in for France it all blew over after afew weeks!
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In reply to Post #375
I would imagine your bait getting confiscated is the worst that will happen. Only problem is if the venue you are going to orders bait in rather than stock 100s of kilos they might not be able to supply you if you turn up baitless and tell them yours was confiscated.
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In reply to Post #371
'If' the 'risk' deems to be low after the situation settles down, then my answer is yes, absolutely.
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In reply to Post #373
Can you share any links to info or reports on this, I'm pretty sure most of us here are only interested in facts, not hearsay or rumours. Most fact based experience so far (although it is early days with the current restrictions) appear to contradict your opinions..
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In reply to Post #369
Are you saying it didn't happen? It did happen yesterday.......I've got nothing to gain. Just telling it how it is! You wa.nna smuggle bait, feel free!
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In reply to Post #371
Depends on the individual I suppose.......
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In reply to Post #370
You may well be right Wayne however the fact remains that it is illegal to do so. Is it a risk worth taking ?
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Lots of anglers are taking bait over with no problems at all.......
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In reply to Post #368
BS, why do you continue this scaremongering, what have you to gain?
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In reply to Post #362
The tackle was confiscated as it was being SMUGGLED along with the huge amount of illicit bait ! These 2 were lake owners, not ordinary anglers. 7.5 ton lorry full of bait and tackle is bound to attract some attention wasnt it? Got what they deserved
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In reply to Post #366
Well mainline share prices never went up!
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In reply to Post #365
you sure he boosted french economy?
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In reply to Post #363
You wouldn't get that fine for fags
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In reply to Post #359
Sounds like usual scaremongering bs, why no names if they have been fined?
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In reply to Post #361
Seizure of the bait and a fine, yes I suppose that's a possibility but I can't see how they can confiscate tackle.
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In reply to Post #359
That story is doing the rounds, passed on as friend of friend. May be true but just as easily an urban myth.
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In reply to Post #359
Where did you get that from?
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In reply to Post #356
2 anglers, as yet not named, stopped at customs with bait in vans.....one fined 1k the other fined 1,5k and had tackle confiscated......anyone still think its worth the risk?
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In reply to Post #356
Now we are out of the EU did they need work permits or something
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In reply to Post #355
They are clearly breaking the rules (lucky buggers), it is not considered essential travel and I doubt vey much if they are going into 7 days quarantine as per the French rules before they start maintenance work on the lakes and where would they be staying? Whole system is a shambles!!! 
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In reply to Post #355
My work parties haven't risked bringing bait. Some have had little in the way of questions and answers, some have had to produce all sorts.
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I see there are plenty of 'work parties' heading over to France and fishing working at some lakes. How have these guys fared with customs?? What is actually happening now?
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In reply to Post #338
I'm English but based in Holland and use a lot of UK suppliers for business and UK bait for fishing. Recent episode of BBC R4's 'Bottom Line', 'How to set up an EU subsidiary' had the editor of The Economist on. She stated (non politically) that the UK Gov are reluctant to 'align' food standards (as they were) to ease the export hassle to Europe / NI because this would jeopardise a trade deal with the US.
On non food imports, our costs have risen about 10%. Dutch tackle shops have had no UK bait deliveries since Brexit.
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In reply to Post #351
I have sent you a pm joss
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In reply to Post #349
Guess it depends on the type of food mate.
i mainly work within the meat sector, but do deal with other food types
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In reply to Post #347
Who do you work for mate
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In reply to Post #349
Not odd at all, bob might be thinking along the right lines, just because shelves appear stocked doesn't mean there are no shortages , they may be plenty of things consumers haven't noticed
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Odd how one person in the food industry says no shortages, another who's involved says there is. I use a few different supermarkets at different times of day or week and always the shelves are well stocked
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In reply to Post #347
Well someone is doing a great job because many of us consumers haven't noticed
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In reply to Post #345
No there are plenty of issues, im an engineer but work in the food industry there are plenty of shortages and supply issues of numerous things
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In reply to Post #345
Well my missus does most of the shopping so I asked her about shortages and she hadn't noticed any. We buy a wide variety of fresh fruit and veg, tinned and frozen, meat, breads, cereals and we allow ourselves some unhealthy snacks. And alcohol we buy plenty of that, she likes her prosecco and cava.
Not sure why there's a disparity, I hope it gets sorted for you soon
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In reply to Post #344
No. It's every week. And it's only been happening since 1st January. Honestly, I'm reporting something I'm seeing with my own eyes, but somehow I'm mistaken. Guess the food and drink industry exporting to Europe are just looking for things too?
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In reply to Post #343
Maybe, or maybe you are looking for things? Or they got the supply and demand calculations wrong where you are?
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In reply to Post #342
I must be imagining it then.....
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In reply to Post #338
i work in food industry
no change thus far
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Same, everything still available round my way
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Same as haven’t noticed any difference down here
Maybe it’s the north/south divide and we’re keeping it all 
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In reply to Post #338
Must be regional, plenty of stuff around here.
Wherever possible we try to buy UK grown stuff
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In reply to Post #337
You obviously don't do the shopping in your household! There are shortages. Noticed that wines from Europe and France in particular are frequently sold out. Veg, like peppers, aubergines and salad stuff are often gone by mid day at weekends in my supermarket. Often shortages of fresh herbs as well
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In reply to Post #336
UK based cheese maker explained (Radio 4 - Bottom Line) that you need the same 'vet' signed off certification to send one cheese mail order into EU as you do a container full. Ditto with boiliies - so bait suppliers could still supply retailers but individual mail order to EU unfeasible. My understanding is that the 'food' checks are not carried out / applied both ways - which is why there's no shortfall of French / Spanish produce in supermarkets. Langoustine originally Scottish anyway
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Plenty of EU bait firms ready to supply demand, to say nothing of the pet food, bird food, cat food, particles, seeds, pulses, nuts catering size tins of sweetcore etc which are widely available in supermarkets and Bricos.. If you cannot get yourself a decent load of bait at the local hypermarket then you are not looking hard enough!
I'm more con cerned at what we will be allowed to bring back into the UK after the holiday is over. Like Ricard, 1664, magret de canard, poulet de Bresse, Camembert, Boeuf Bourguignon, Duck Confit, Cassoulet, Foie Gras, sardines, langoustines...and so on.
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In reply to Post #334
No one is taking bait to Europe this year so may as well chill for a while
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In reply to Post #333
The truth of the matter is that anglers bait is no more than a peripheral part of the overall food imports to France and I doubt very much if the EU will change the rules to accommodate anglers. The rules are exactly those that the UK were happy to vote on when they were part of the EU but unfortunately fall foul of now that they have opted to leave. No new rules have been applied due to Brexit it is just that we are now in the position that we voted for. For my part, I am having good quality boilies rolled to my spec in Ireland and France instead of the UK rolled baits we have used for a couple of years. No change in quality or price I am pleased to say. I think the safest bet is for anglers visiting France to arrange baits to be available at the French end, either from the lake or from the many manufacturers now touting for business.
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In reply to Post #331
it's a little bit worse than that Ken, Bait, pop ups,all dips and liquids, pellet and any form of feed will be confiscated, if you try to hide it, it's smuggling and carries a fine of 1000 euros and for good measure if they think you are taking the piss as to where you have hidden it your passport will be listed as trying to smuggle contraband, now that produces some real problems like trying to get into the USA and some other countries,
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In reply to Post #331
Tbh, it’s a mess. You’ve had Dutch companies buying up UK sea fishing fleets to access UK waters/additional quotas. The French using ‘super dredgers’ that take everything on the sea bed. And the Tories have accepted a one way street where the EU checks UK exports but not vice versa - scuppering seafood exports from Scotland, The West Country etc. Brits don’t eat many herring, langoustines and / or mussels - the Dutch & French do. Seems to have been the cost of ending ‘free movement’. The EU will now try and make an example of the UK so other countries don’t follow suit & leave. M&S in Paris currently has a third of its normal stock & Percy Pig's banned from travel, until he has the right paperwork
I don’t know what the value of the EU carp bait market is to the likes of Sticky, Mainline, CC Moore, Dynamite etc. but as others have said, they’ll do the maths and see if it’s worth the additional paperwork/costs. Rob Hughes sounded confident about a solution on Carp Cast 107. He mentioned using couriers to transport bait but that’s a no no at the moment and even lures / terminal bits are taking 4weeks instead of 4days to get here (NL). Spoke to Gio at MonkeyClimber mag in Belgium, he rec’d Dope Bait Company or Carpelicious, as good bait suppliers on this side of the North Sea. Biggest French company would be Sensas brand StarBaits but I’ll either stick with my UK supplier or use a Dutch rolling co. Frolic’s still widely available : )
Anyway, our (non-food) goods were stuck in a warehouse for 3weeks before the transport company had a truck and the paperwork sorted, they have now got to Holland. EU exports are 40% down according to today's news. And the EU want to install CCTV on all fishing boats (according to reports in Holland) which has caused an uproar here. Always enjoyed your exploits in 'International Carper’.
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In reply to Post #330
Very interesting post and lots of talking points. I think the acrimony you mentioned is a contributing factor...the French have got a cob on because of Brexit and until they wake up to the reality that Brexit really has happend they will continue in their charactaristic intransigent way. The fact is that there are bones of contention that need to be addressed on both sides of the Channel. Commercial fishing is a case in point. France is the commercial fishing industry's major market and they like our shellfish in particular. They also don't like the fact that their boats are not allowed within 12 miles of the UK coast...so why were these two there earlier this morning (and they are still fishing in that general area). The two little arrows are the French trawlers Daytona and Testa Rosa and they have been fishing inside the 12-mile limit since leaving Roscoff yesterday evening. They are blatantly breaking the rules but you can be sure that were we to try to get our bait (boilies) into France via their customs we would be nicked and our bait confiscated.
French boats this morning.
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In reply to Post #322
I'm an English angler living & fishing in NL & have always sourced bait from UK. Also have a business importing British made goods into NL - and it's a nightmare at the moment - transport, couriers - very slow / extra red tape. Easiest would be a simple standards 'alignment' (pre-Brexit). But lots of acrimony between EU/UK so don't hold your breath.
(Google Translated from the Dutch Angling Direct Site).
We would like to explain to you what problems there are regarding the import of bait for all our European customers. Angling Direct is currently unable to export bait from the UK due to negotiations between the UK and the EU on the European Health Certificate required for exporting bait.
Why can't we ship bait to the EU?
Bait types such as boilies, pellets and ground baits require a European Health Certificate to be exported because it currently falls in the same category as animal feed. Before it can be used, it must first undergo extensive and high-cost testing and be certified by a veterinarian. Unfortunately, the UK-EU Trade Agreement affects the fishing industry as a whole as well as individual anglers. Together with bait manufacturers like CC Moore, Dynamite Baits and Mainline Baits, Angling Direct has had to stop all bait orders because we currently have no option to ship these orders to the EU.
Can customers in the EU still order other products from AD?
The only products that cannot be shipped at this time are products with natural ingredients, such as baits (boilies, pellets, etc.). Lures are excluded and can still be shipped. To reassure our European customers, the UK-EU Trade Agreement has no effect on our ability to ship most products to European countries and nothing has changed for our customers and their purchasing conditions.
How long does it take before we can ship bait to the EU?
We are currently waiting for an adjustment in the classification for the European Health Certificate. Angling Direct keeps a close eye on all developments between the European Commission and the United Kingdom. We hope that a further classification or a change in Health Certificate regulations will be established before we can resume exporting bait to our customers in the EU.
How will this affect UK fishermen?
This gap in the UK-EU Trade Agreement also affects anglers traveling from the UK to EU countries. Mark Owen, Head of Freshwater at the Angling Trust, said: “To our knowledge, it seems that the current situation is also affecting fishermen who want to bring bait from England to fish in Europe. When the Covid travel restrictions are lifted, they too will have to provide a European Health Certificate if requested. “
What is Angling Direct doing while we wait?
We will be posting on the bait sales pages of the European websites to alert people that we currently do not sell or ship bait to countries outside the UK.
While Angling Direct is currently unable to provide bait to its European customers, there are plenty of tackle items we can deliver to your front door, from fishing rods to lures.
Andy Torrance, CEO of Angling Direct commented:
“We are proud of the long-standing contacts we have had with our bait suppliers and it is frustrating for them and for us that we are currently unable to ship our fantastic products to you, our customers. find a solution and as General Manager of Angling Direct I will do everything I can to help. We hope to provide you with bait again soon. "
Where can I find more information?
The good news is that most of the parties involved in the fishing industry have joined forces to work on a solution.
Organizations such as the UK Angling Trust and manufacturers such as Dynamite Baits and Mainline Baits are currently working hard to clarify the UK-EU Trade Agreement which in practice means that UK fishermen cannot bring bait on fishing holidays to Europe and that the export of bait is made more difficult.
Jamie Cook, CEO of the Angling Trust:
"I asked my team within the Angling Trust to work with the fishing industry to help the European Commission come to different insights."
We would like to take this opportunity to thank all our European customers for their support during this difficult transition in UK-EU trade relations.
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They already have their bait made in Europe so it wouldn’t be a problem for solar 👍
They might actually do very well out of it
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In reply to Post #327
Solar have advertised on FB that they can deliver to their European customers. Either it’s sorted or making their bait in Europe.
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They have 14 months to sort it out for me, my May trip has been cancelled again 
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In reply to Post #323
i dint think anyone will have many issues with a bottle of flavour or two.
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In reply to Post #323
man this remembered me of times when I carried few L of hutchis monster and secret agent on easy jet in hand luggage 15 year ago
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In reply to Post #320
Fair enough
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In reply to Post #322
Fingers crossed!
I thought JB's new range of flavours in little 8ml bottles might be to help people like me smuggle them through customs 'secreted about the person'. Although I'd be scared of a bottle breaking, farting, and making an Easyjet flight stink of maple for 2 hours.
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In reply to Post #321
agreed, but adding a sub category for recreational fishing isnt such a huge minefield.
Dont get me wrong, its not going to happen over an e-mail it will take some time, plus with everything else going on, its not exactly priority for either UK or EU governments.
BUT, at least its been identified and being discussed
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I saw John Baker commenting on this, saying there might be something in the pipeline. I'd love it to be true but can't see it happening.
This would require the EU to change its regulations in order to benefit some UK firms, instead of leaving things as they are and potentially creating more business for European bait makers. Why would they do that?
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In reply to Post #319
id rather not say, but lets just say i have DEFRA connections due to my business
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In reply to Post #317
What's the source for that Joss? Good news, if true!
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In reply to Post #317
If I remember correctly there is already a notice on Mainline's packaging saying something like 'For Recreational Sport Use Only'
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In reply to Post #316
there is now talk of the animal feed/ingredients etc having a sub section "recreational sport" so if that goes ahead, bait will be allowed in the EU from UK
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In reply to Post #315
Only joking Ken!!!
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In reply to Post #314
Now, now, Dave. Claws in! Not had a freebie since I retired. 
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In reply to Post #313
Is that the venue that you get free fishing at?
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I had trips in March, May, June, September and November 2020 cancelled/rolled over. The March one was rescheduuled for March 2021 but has been rolled over again. Got credit or refund on the others. There is one venue I will crawl over broken glass to visit so that one can be rescheduled/rolled over as much as it likes!
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In reply to Post #311
My sentiments exactly.
I am into a lake on behalf of our group for the best part of 6k for a cancelled week last year that was kindly rolled over to tag onto this years trip so, 2 weeks on a commercial when I usually struggle to stay with it for one week !
I will be sticking to the Publics in future with no once a year social with friends.
Still uncertain if this 2 week trip in June will go ahead.
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In reply to Post #310
It's a real shame but it is what it is. I've been enjoying a couple of Euro trips a year for many years. Last year's trips were cancelled and this year's well, who knows. The costs seem to be going up year on year and the hassle, including this bait issue, is leading me to think enough is enough. I think I have lost the will to book years in advance.
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In reply to Post #309
Yeah if the will is there....as it stands to get the necessary DEFRA approvals and EHC's will be a time and financial investment for small/medium co's and probably a few of the big co's too.... that's got to be absorbed somewhere and for a lot it will be difficult to get it over there at a sensible cost as things stand and won't be worth doing.
Guys not being able to go through customs with bait will be a big hit for most and after the last 12 months we've all had I think there'll sadly be a lot less choice come the end of the year...
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In reply to Post #308
So if it's true it can be done by a small bait company so logically the big boys should have no trouble if the will is there.
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In reply to Post #305
Part of Angling Direct allegedly so ok if you don't mind accountants making your bait and hence the clout/money/licences to export.....
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In reply to Post #305
Apparently they are making in the UK, Exporting to Germany then distributing throughout Europe.
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In reply to Post #305
Shelf life too
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In reply to Post #304
Isn't Munch Baits an English bait company or am I getting confused.
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Etang Saint Pierremont February 2021 update
Our updated website is now live.
Some of last year’s lake record catch pictures have been added together with an additional BAIT page.
With the new rules concerning what can and what can’t be transported across the channel regarding fishing bait we have introduced a new service for not only our booked guests but to any fishing parties wishing to have a high-quality European fishing bait delivered directly to the lake of their choice a few days before their arrival. https://www.etangstpierremont.com/bait-prices
There seems to be lots of mis information especially on social media about taking bait abroad, so we have done some investigating and got the facts together
The facts are…
There is no fine for private individuals if you are caught with banned substances (Meat & dairy) by the French border inspectors, it will just be confiscated and destroyed, if you deliberately try to conceal the banned items (Bait) then this becomes more serious and you may be charged with smuggling!
Certain social media groups and individuals believe the ban on meat and dairy will be removed by the start of spring to accommodate British fishermen, with some individuals stating the French don’t want to lose the English fishermen’s revenue, this is highly unlikely as the EU ban on certain meat and dairy products is not new it was introduced in 2002 Following the 2001 Foot and Mouth Disease epidemic within the EU, the European Commission considered that the mechanisms in place to prevent the introduction of personal consignments of meat, milk or their products should be strengthened across the EU. It seems highly unlikely that the EU are going to Change laws just for the English to be allowed to bring bait into France, it would require all the member states to vote on it unanimously and of course the struggling French bait suppliers would lose out on sales.
There appear to be many reputable bait companies across Europe, many have been around for years, we as a lake have considered many and have chosen MunchBaits to be our supplier for the foreseeable future. View the range and our delivery service at https://www.etangstpierremont.com/bait-prices
We will continue watching what is happening regarding Uk travel and French border controls and as each groups holiday becomes affected, we will contact our guests accordingly by phone before your scheduled arrival date to discuss options to choose the same week in 2022 or later this year if available.
In these uncertain times with new announcements being made regularly by both Governments the only guarantee we can make is that none of our booked guests will lose their bookings. Once the Borders restrictions are relaxed, we will be open as normal and will be ready to personally welcome our Guests once again.
Taken from their f/b page. Never used this bait have no idea what its like, also never paid £13 a kilo . If you buy 10kg it works out at £8 kilo, if you buy this bait from Angling Direct you can get 10kg for £62.98, £17 cheaper. This I believe is whats going to happen, lakes will supply bait some known some not, at inflated prices so adding to the cost of your trip. How confident will people be using a highly priced bait you`ve never heard of? Is it just paperwork that allows bait companies to send the same bait to Europe that the anglers would like to take themselves? Does the ban also apply to all the pots of pop ups, wafters and hookbaits that all anglers carry?
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In reply to Post #302
Not forgetting 🙄🙄🙄 , that all that was going on whilst we were trying to negotiate a deal , it was a game of poker where you show the worst hand and don't blink . Even the EU negotiators were saying they did not believe it would go to WTO , but they did blink , all part of the game . The thing with article 15 is that for years the EU said they were worried we would use it , and no mater what you say about the u turn , there is no way this was not authorised by the very top , who were prepared to do so. For all our sakes the bad feeling now across the water need to settle , bridges need building .
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In reply to Post #301
Not after an argument either JK
Its just so many people have been so quick to jump on the EU over this and as far as I can see they made a massive cocktail up and U turned within hours. If Ireland were a big factor in the decision it just goes to show that a small country such as Ireland has a lot of control over these decisions.
The UK government was happy to break International law and was condemned worldwide just a few months ago and consistently threatened a no deal exit which would have plunged the Irish border into chaos. I dont think it's suddenly got the moral high ground now that the EU made a very brief, painfully embarissing balls up.
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In reply to Post #299
Not arguing Jim as this has been a semi sensible thread for once but they invoked article16....fact. Pretty sure they could of done there due diligence another way and pretty sure it wouldn't of been done without all the legal issues/reprecussions discussed at top level because that's what the EU does. The immediate back lash from just about everyone including the Irish was more a factor in the backtrack me thinks.
Darkol, yeah agreed and maybe some of the other pharma co's are helping behind the scenes... you'd like to think so but it's all about money to some and I would imagine intellectual property is a problem for a lot of them, especially for the new types of vaccines. To my knowledge AZ are the only ones not doing it for profit.
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In reply to Post #299
If Boris had done that I'm afraid it would be viewed different to your explanation 🙄🤔 , but overall the main duty of the government is to get as much vaccine as possible as quickly as possible , and TBH the problems of other country's are low on his priority . He is playing a strait bat , quiet rightly , and quoting a contract . The damage of relations is showing now , shame because some people I have met in France have been fantastic .
Won't stop me taking the kids to euro parks , and hopefully fish a bit , and driving around the lovely empty country .
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In reply to Post #297
Twisting it as in stating that they want to institute a hard border. There was a couple of hours between the announcement they wanted to make checks to ensure that NI wasn't being used as a backdoor for vaccine shipments from Belgium, and an announcement that they'd basically made a massive mistake and it won't be happening.
Hugely embarrassing from the EU but let's not make out that they've stomped all over the GF agreement.
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In reply to Post #297
Do you people really think that we cant produce vaccine in big numbers if we wanted to? Half of pharma companies in the world can produce vaccine if they would be asked to...
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In reply to Post #296
Not really twisting it is it....it's what happened! Let's face it, the EU ordered 3 months after the UK and have only approved it for use yesterday and now expect to be first in the queue. Now they put in special measures to control exports to the UK in order to get it despite AZ having problems with supply....talk about scapegoats for their own ball's up. Maybe giving AZ some support instead of waving contracts at them would be more constructive considering the **** we're in at present.
And people go on about us lowering standards..think they should take a look at their own moral compass tbh.
They started to show their true colours in the Brexit negotiations and now they have again.
Rant over...happy Saturday everyone
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In reply to Post #295
I think that's twisting what happened a little, certainly a big mistake by the EU and they U turned after only a couple of hours of announcing their plans which were never implemented.
AZ are causing all kinds of trouble with the supply of their vaccine.
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In reply to Post #294
Just mark the bait packaging "Covid Vaccine" , our "friends" will be pleased to let them through , except in NI where less than a month in they want to implement a hard border , and to think for years they kept saying it would be us 🤔
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In reply to Post #291
Multi coloured in red, white and blue😂
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In reply to Post #290
I think the cost and time involved in travelling via NI would make your boilies rather expensive.
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In reply to Post #291
Not ruining a decent thread........Last word is all yours....... 
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In reply to Post #289
I’m sure there is a way through that back door.......I’m not talking of exporting tons in one go, I’m talking about small bait order FFS........I bet if I load my car up with bait and drive to northern island I would have no issue when arriving in NI unlike Calais where their playing by the book....... 
Also, No need for the hostile reply, keep that in the non carp section........after all it’s just an idea?!
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Here’s an idea for some.......If you have friends in NI close to the ROI border it may be worth getting a UK order from ANY bait firm and sent to them, they cross invisible border into the ROI and the post to EU country of choice.......there’s always a loophole.......   
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In reply to Post #284
I've sourced bait for when/if anglers start to travel over.
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In reply to Post #285
I know 2 that are , because unless you really really want to use your own it is not a problem . For some reason we think the whole of the EU use mainline , but it much more diverse than that . It's their laws , we will get used to it and adapt .
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In reply to Post #284
I know at least one is....
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I would've thought lake owners would be aware of whats going on and already be making enquiries regarding bait etc,,,
Daz
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In reply to Post #282
Check with the lake owner as he will probably be able to source bait for you.
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In reply to Post #281
What worries me is the timing of getting bait in france. Usually I'm on the boat late Fri/very early arriving at the lake sat morning. I might have to start taking the friday off to go somewhere in France to get bait.
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Can’t believe the Government has got involved in boileegate.........they take our boilee exports so the government is keeping their vaccines.......nice on Boris......
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In reply to Post #279
What is a difference? You are camping and do what you like in a foreign country... Unless you are paid to do it it a holiday.
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In reply to Post #276
its a fishing trip, not a holiday
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In reply to Post #276
There are plenty of them mate😂
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In reply to Post #271
Get mine from a local farm here in France. Finest back bacon, Cumberland sausage and their apple and cider bangers are the nuts! Nice English couple.
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In reply to Post #275
This so funny, somebody decides to go on holiday in foreign land and than he wants food, bait etc from home...
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In reply to Post #272
👍 sounds good
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In reply to Post #273
There's quite a few British farmers in France that sell direct and butcher themselves so produce British cuts, all within France.
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In reply to Post #272
Jimmy are these British cuts etc sourced in France or UK?
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In reply to Post #270
We're planning on setting up a system where customers can order from a British owned farm shop localish to us that sell British cuts including sausage and bacon and have it delivered to us on site. There's always alternatives.
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In reply to Post #269
Be careful of the sausages, they 're often pony.
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In reply to Post #269
indeed they do, but i bet my life on it they dont do cuts of meat i get...and i get i free
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In reply to Post #267
Yup. But amazingly they have supermarkets, butchers and bakers on the continent.
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In reply to Post #260
Funny 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #266
i know this thread is about the bait ban in eu countries but there is also a ban on dairy and meat products, even things made from either so taking food over if your on a drive n survive could be a struggle.
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In reply to Post #264
We've had many 'sponsored' anglers absolutely crippled by their inflexibility regarding bait, whole holidays wasted because they can get something that is untried and unrecommended cheap..
The trend of everyone out there wanting to be 'sponsored' by a bait company does more to boost bank balances than catch rates.
This isn't a criticism of the individual baits in themselves, but one bait that works well in one water may bomb in another, the same goes for the time of year. You've got to be flexible when fishing different waters and fidelity to sponsorships prevent that.
So maybe this will be one bonus of the bait ban.
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In reply to Post #261
Would you want anglers with that attitude on your lake anyway?
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In reply to Post #261
mad mate....absolutley mad
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In reply to Post #261
That's reduculous especially when they'll still be able to use there hookbaits, more likely they're just too tight to pay for their own loose feed.
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In reply to Post #260
Just seen a post on fb where group of anglers dont want to pay balance because they are all sponsored and dont know if they will be able to bring their baits over... can you imagine you cant go fishing because you are sponsored?? this carpfishing world really is in ****s...
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In reply to Post #258
a bit like fishing places like drayton!#
cracks me up when someone posts theyve caught so and so amount of fish and then quotes a bait frim "doing the biz"
FFS....thats no indication on the quality of said bait, the dam things are starving and will eat a fag butt
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In reply to Post #258
This is why I don't think the bait ban will have TOO much of an effect. On places like Abbey which sees a lot of decent British bait, catch results may suffer. On a public lake/river I doubt it'll make an ounce of difference. I see Decathlon sell their own range of fishmeals which don't look too shabby (they certainly don't have bullseyes on them)
As i've said previously, I'll just look for a supplier of maize and i'll be more than confident using that on the publics.
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In reply to Post #256
Sorry was replying to Oldfellah... yeah the funky colour ones are supermarket specials... me and Oldfellah fished a lake together sometime around 2003. An English bloke turned up with about 50kg of those multicoloured €2 a kg jobies and outcaught everyone else on the lake that week
I very much doubt they'd work on well fed, lower stock waters though!
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In reply to Post #256
Double.post
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In reply to Post #252
This was early 2019 🤔.
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In reply to Post #252
I have to disagree with my Dad here on the Dutch bait front... most, but not all of what I've seen Dutch lads bring over the years has been terrible. But we have very few Dutch anglers these days so it may well have changed in recent years.
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In reply to Post #252
Signal is French - Starbaits/Sensas
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In reply to Post #252
Yes , on the link I posted if you scroll down you get to a better quality , if a higher price reflects that , choice . I have a couple of friends where I can get something like Eddie Sterckx baits delivered , let's not forget thousand of French anglers chip off at the weekends , so if rules are rules we will change to their baits , it ain't a deal breaker surely.
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In reply to Post #251
The supermarkets used to do boilies of all colors and including stripes, spots, etc. Things have moved on since those days and as in the UK if you by cheap the quality will reflect that. There are now some good baits rolled over here and also in Holland. Our Dutch regulars bring very good bait with them and another lake owner who I am friends with has stocked a Dutch bait, Signal for some years and not only is it decent quality but certainly catches well. One thing you will find is that UK baits such as Mainline and Nash are premium prices in the tackle shops here even before the Brexit issues. Your friendly lake owner will be best best for either supplying or finding decent baits, he won't want crap going in his lake.
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In reply to Post #250
We were fishing a public in the Loire region and got chatting (well kind of) with a french guy when he went and got his boilies 👀👀👀👀Jesus! They were green and had white circles with a red bullseye on them. Hard to describe really but me and my mate had to hold back from wetting ourselves (we can be immature at times but then we are men) the guy then out fished us all week 🤷♂️
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In reply to Post #249
To be fair the export problem is only if they supply a lake or shops . The main problem we are discussing is that we as individuals can't load our cars up , only effect their sales to us that take it with us . As iv posted below you can buy bait over there , just may not be the stuff we use over here .
Be interesting to hear what French / Germans / Dutch use .
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In reply to Post #248
I've seen somewhere a bait company saying that an export certificate isn't yet available that applies to them so they aren't able to export at all. I still believe export in large batches could be economically feasible, but the days of sending over small amounts cwrtainly seem to be over.
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In reply to Post #245
They can export, problem is it just costs a lot, as every single shipment will be checked if it is in line with paperwork they claim they have, so very gruel process... and to be honest nobody knows anything about brexit even now. Deal that was "made" still have to be verified in parliaments of every single eu country (could be wrong about that) for it to be valid. Lets be honest bait companies have been hiding behind all sorts of business to avoid certain paperwork for a long time I guess now it is time when (legally) that will affect their ability to sell abroad. And as it was said here for many times already I dont believe uk anglers will have many problems coming in eu with bait once this corona **** is over it will be bigger problem for eu anglers to get/order/buy uk baits direct or via eu retail... luckily there are alternatives.
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In reply to Post #243
Tad unfair..... The deal wasn't agreed until the 24th, so exactly how were they- or any other business- supposed to prepare?
I listened to a cheese maker on the radio yesterday who had prepared and can't export to EU countries. He needs a health certificate for every truckle, which is very expensive.
If the Scottish Fishing Industry are struggling, I can understand why boilie makers are.
Also heard that as part of the deal Johnson could have agreed to common food standards but chose not to legislate for that when it was ratified in parliament......
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In reply to Post #245
... and in the meantime their EU based customers are looking for and finding alternative suppliers, unfortunately.
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In reply to Post #243
In fairness, nobody knew what the deal would look like until days before the UK left. The bait manufacturers that spent the time ensuring everything was up to EU spec (baitworks may be one) are also unable to export currently and as far as I'm aware no company currently knows how feasible exporting intonthe EU is going to be. This isn't just affecting bait either, loads of companies are unable to export into the EU currently.
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In reply to Post #242
I hear Baitworks put a post up about brexit that is no longer on their Facebook page 🤔 , hmmm .
http://www.carpe-atomic.com/
quick Google shows shops do stock baits out in France 🙄 , a few options there as I pass through , could even buy online and pick up? .
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In reply to Post #242
What they really mean is in all the years since the referendum they never bothered their arses looking into what they would have to do from 1st Jan this year, just like many other companies.
Daz
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Baitworks
Hi Michael,
Unfortunately as it stands with new rules as of Brexit, we are unable to ship out to the E.U.
We re not sure if or when we will be able to send overs back out to the E.U.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Many thanks.
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In reply to Post #236
Lots bought it direct through ABS to bring here too, I never minded and weve always been pleased to recommend other alternative baits that work well too. The idea is to provide and promote a bait that catches well and is good for the fish, sales are a bonus and plenty of customers were more than happy to spend the extra to save on hassle or top up what they bought. We run a specimen carp lake not a bait shop!
Silverslayer... its a ludicrous state of affairs and as I've said before bait will be a drop in the ocean compared to the havoc being wrought on businesses as a whole.
I suspect your right regarding smuggling and a few friends have hinted that they won't be put off... its just a matter of time now to find out if the Douane are going to be strict.
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In reply to Post #239
Tag dinghy 😲😁
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In reply to Post #238
We'll be having rubber dinghies leaving the UK full of boilies
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Boilies will be more lucrative than cocaine or hash the way things are going
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In reply to Post #235
Jimmy,
There was an article in the Telegraph today (yes them who supported Brexit) advising British companies who export to Europe regularly to open 'hubs' in Europe.
Let's think about that. Those who wax lyrical about the benefits of Brexit and promised "sunny uplands" and only positives of Brexit, are now publishing articles advising companies how to overcome an inevitable consequence of Brexit!
James O Brien on LBC (I know not everyones cup of tea) ran a phone in this very morning on the subject. He was inundated with calls from small business owners who were experiencing
problems with exports. Some were either closing or moving to EU. (there was a T-shirt supplier who makes promotional T-shirt and merchandise for bands on tour that was moving his entire operation to EU zone for example).
I suspect Mainline to be the first to to exactly this, after all they have adequate connections to have a distribution site in northern France /champagne area.
If you do the numbers it's worth doing (importing British bait, doing the paperwork then distributed in FRANCE) but... I suspect once this all dies down, anglers will take their chances on "smuggling" it in. It remains to be seen how French customs will deal with it. If they take a hard view, which they might, I can see many anglers vans being emptied at Dover just to check if bait is present or not, especially if some anglers start to smuggle. That will go down well! Loading my van takes bloody ages!
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A lake I fish in France used to get abs to ship out all of his bait in the past but most of the anglers used to take abs for cheaper than he sold it.
That’s why he now gets his boilies either from Holland or Belgium
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In reply to Post #233
I've talked to a lad from ABS but as they're not sure whats what right now and are currently closed due to obvious reasons, I'm getting back in touch mid Feb.
I think making actual bait orders are the last thing on most French lake owners minds at the moment, spending out on bait orders is not a good idea when we have no idea when British customers can make it over. Ordering bait from the UK in smaller quantities for personal use won't be feasible going forward I shouldn't think, there'll be too much admin and costs per order involved to bother with anything but large orders.
UK companies are being advised to open hubs on the continent so that they can ship over in bulk, which minimises costs and administration significantly, and then dispatch to EU customers from inside the EU. It seems like this should be the model for UK bait companies or possibly a business opportunity for a middle man who's got the money to invest into something like this, they could also offer a selection of British foods including meat ect. If I was based near the ports and had money burning a hole in the bank it's what I'd be thinking of doing!
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In reply to Post #233
Just emailed Jonhnson Ross and Baitworks about delivery to germany. Keep you uptated
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In reply to Post #232
Back on track .. anyone in the EU tried ordering bait from the UK yet?
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In reply to Post #231
sorry jon, i ment to put " in reply to post 228"
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In reply to Post #230
It was in reply to post 228
Hence the 'In reply to Post #228' bit....
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In reply to Post #229
???????????????????????
I think the post is about taking bait to europe?
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In reply to Post #225
Immigration was a key reason due to seeing the changes in European cities in the last five years. Far right fascist groups are on the rise, whereas in Britain they are declining. Why is that? Why do people travel through safe countries to make a new life in the UK? Why were Europeans arriving in Britain for 24 hours on the 30th of December to claim settlement? Why did we give 96% of applicants settlement status? We had 40k asylum claimants last year. Why didn't they want to stay in France or whichever port they arrived from? Why do they pay thousands to traffickers and forgers to circumnavigate the visa system to get here? Why do we have an agreement with Greece to not send back asylum seekers to them? For a racist xenophobic country, we certainly do far more than most.
It's not all about immigration, but under freedom of movement Europe has (in my opinion) became a fractured project which has resulted in the deaths of thousands of people and made Britain a breeding ground for exploitation by way of prostitution, modern slavery etc etc. Why is it such a bad idea that people that people need to prove they are here for genuine reasons? Why is protecting 16 year old Bulgarian girls from prostitution such a bad idea? Why is preventing a Romanian being exploited for £3 an hour at a car wash such a bad thing?
This "stole my freedom of movement" thing makes me laugh though. Yes, you had freedom of movement. If you fancy going over to work in Spain, what stopped you? Oh, probably because their unemployment rate is treble that of the UK's. Sod all there for the kids neither, hence why they are here "serving our coffee in pret" as one pretentious tart once said on Question Time.
We are not perfect, but to many within Europe and the rest of the world, we are a Utopia, and I would not want to live anywhere else on the planet than Britain, this completely tiny insignificant island(!) that everyone loves, apart from Brits themselves.
If you use a kilo of boilies as a hammer to batter someone who voted leave, then have a word with yourself.
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In reply to Post #219
There were restrictions before, but as we were part of the EU the restrictions didn't apply to us bringing bait back from France etc.. They would have applied coming back from a non EU country though.
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In reply to Post #225
100% with you..
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In reply to Post #222
Blue passports.....fish......😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #212
Yeah, right.....but the British Red tape introduced because of brexit that's strangling so many businesses is world beating at least.
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In reply to Post #219
I think Winkler means that we used to enforce the EU rule ourselves ourselves up until the start of this year.
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In reply to Post #218
Any longer? You mean before you couldn't take bait back to the UK? Don't think that's correct at all.
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In reply to Post #215
I believe the way it stands is yes, you can bring unused bait back as the UK has no such restrictions in place any longer.
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In reply to Post #216
My sentiments exactly.
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In reply to Post #212
Which bits of the world would you like the UK to embrace that the EU hasn't?
Which EU regulations do you wish to change to move the UK forward?
Genuinely interested as I've never fully understood where Britain is supposed to now turn to in order to prosper and I find the idea of deregulation extremely worrying. Though I no longer live there, I still love my homeland and I see deregulation as an inevitable race to the bottom both environmentally and socially.
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Another scenario
Let’s say we can’t take boilies over to France so have to buy them there and if there’s any surplus would British customs allow them to be brought back
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In reply to Post #213
Yes, the business I work for is affected in a big way but we expect normality to resume by March. Brexit is for life
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Are you aware of the new rules, imposed by the UK, that EU businesses must comply with in order to collect Vat on behalf of the UK government? At s cost of 1000 pounds to the importer.
See you in 5 years!
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Pin this post and review in 5 years.
Brexit allows the UK to prosper as the EU slowly dies. It is slow, too protective and bureaucratic with regulations that are far too complex. The UK embraces the rest of the world.
I can live with some importing/ exporting bait.
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In reply to Post #208
And it makes me very sad about how we have actually ended up in this situation..
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In reply to Post #208
At least someone gets it.....
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In reply to Post #208
Quite right, well said
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In reply to Post #182
I think, after reading through some comments, that there's a lack of appreciation of how far removed we have become from the EU and the larger single market it governs. It is now much easier to move goods between Turkey and the EU as they are members of the customs union.
Britain's choice to prioritise sovereignity over all else has severe repercussions, whatever you think of the EU or more importantly, the common market which preceded it, it has been of huge benefit to its members and the UK was one nation that did better out of it than most.
Taken from History.com's article on the European Common Market:
Britain and other European nations initially declined to join the "Common Market and established the weaker European Free Trade Association (EFTA) in 1960 as an alternative. By the early 1960s, however, the Common Market nations showed signs of significant economic growth, and Britain changed its mind. Because of its close ties to the United States, however, French President Charles de Gaulle twice vetoed British admission, and Britain did not join the EC until January 1973"
I'm confident that the UK would have prospered if the entire EEC had disbanded and we'd been on a level playing field with all other nations - we have a strong history as traders and innovators. But this new relationship places Britain at the periphery of our closest and most important market.
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Just a point in support of my point on the reciprocal nature of rules. 30% of orders delivered from the UK to Europe are being refused by customers because of the duties and taxes added without notice prior to arrival. Some bigger UK companies considering destroying goods rather than face the costs of recovery.
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In reply to Post #205
One point that has little mention is the extra cost of selling bait in the EU now. With duty and admin costs it is possible that UK made bait could be priced out once it reaches the shelf. At the moment baits such as Nash and Mainline that can be found in many angling shops are anything up to 15 euro's per kilo and with the added costs after Brexit it will be interesting to see how prices pan out. I think the way forward for anglers visiting France will be to source bait either at the lake or from one of the many rolling companies already established in the EU. Obviously if border restrictions are eased it will be 'business as usual'. Time will tell.
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In reply to Post #204
It could just as easily happen that after borders open with tourists again anglers will be "smuggling" in bait and all related products for trade in the back of their van... I know we did it on some other border before 😂 if they cant search every car for drugs they for sure are not gonna stop every car for bait... For trade is different as will still have to go to custom&vet inspection etc... But once a shop has got one batch with papers adding additional supply from the back of the van is a piece of cake... Nothing new in any business there...
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In reply to Post #122
Bit late but
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In reply to Post #202
Why am I I've not criticised anyone I've not insulted anyone, I gave my opinion on an open forum abiding by the forum rules which is more than can be said for you, if you don't agree with me that's fine, give your argument but I don't see why you feel the need to personally attack me, but if thatswhat you have to do to make yourself feel better then carry on fella 👍🏻
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Its quite interesting that a lot of comments on this thread mirror views Before and after we entered the common market! Im old enough to remember that taking foodstuffs abroad was also “banned” but it didnt stop me mum filling her suitcase with bacon and sausages every time we travelled!
Not to mention prices went up overnight when we joined.
It will all settle down. Folk will stash their boilies and the odd unlucky soul will get pulled over for a once over. Happened to us last year for a drugs swab of the car (glad i gave up the weed when I was 17)
Do we really think the french are going to fastidiously enforce the rules as currently interpreted?
Im more interested in the logistics of it all, presumably any french customs/border checks will remain on the UK eurotunnel side and they will operate a random check, if they are there and can be arsed!
Be interesting to see what happens in reality
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In reply to Post #197
Lol, the thing is it's probably peopl that voted remain moaning the most because its a result of something they didn't want, as a leave voter I'm willing to accept hardship and inconvenience for what I feel will be good for the country in the longterm, but it's just my opinion and I can see why people are against it and that's their opinion, what ever happens regarding food and bait it's nothing compared to the inconvenience caused by the Chinese it's just a temporary distraction 😂
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In reply to Post #196
No argument Chris, it is purely that when we are suffering from our own decision I find it irritating that so many people seem to think it is the French putting one over us !! You must excuse me mate, I am an old sod after all !! lol
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In reply to Post #195
I've said I agree and I don't think they should change the rules why do you keep trying to argue with me lol all I've said is that they always took the piss out of us when we were in the union and that if they allow us to resume bringing meat and dairy over they will want something in return.
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In reply to Post #194
We chose to leave the 'club' and now think they should change the club rules to accommodate us. It will never happen. We voted to become a third party nation and now have to accept the changes that that entails. To be subject to the normal third nation import regulations is just one part of that.
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In reply to Post #193
I think you'll find we are not stopping people from the EU from bringing in meat and dairy, that's what I meant about it working both ways.
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In reply to Post #191
IT DOES. We are only hearing the UK side. All of these arrangements are reciprocal. We helped to write them and applied them to the rest of the world for over 40 years. Why do you think the EU didn't want us to leave. They knew what a pain in the wallet it would be and so did our politicians. Money, laws, sovereignty and borders and f**k business as Boris said
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In reply to Post #191
I am really suprised at the opinion people have about carp being important to the EU. Our own government and the EU couldn't give a rat **** about Carp fishing and im sure it was never something that was discussed in negotiations .
It is what it is, Companies like mainline and Dynamite are going to want to export to France and once thats all setup i would imagine the rules could change slightly but until then it is what it is so we have to get on with it. Im due out end of March i dont care what bait i use as long as i get to go
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In reply to Post #190
I'm talking about in general they've been mugging us off for years, I havnt actually got a problem with them for enforcing the rules of bringing in certain products its common sense but it should work both ways.
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In reply to Post #189
Using the same rules and regulations that we also applied to all third Countries that were not part of the EU or the Schengen area. The rules haven't changed ...it is us that chose to leave .
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In reply to Post #178
Because they're out for everything they can get from us and always have been.
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Just stumbled across this in my boredom. Not sure if there is anything in it that we haven't already seen.
https://hoboarmour.com/blogs/news/new-laws-stopping-english-anglers-taking-bait-to-france
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In reply to Post #186
That tool at pimlico plumbers has got on the bandwagon. If you work for me you must have the vaccine! Not many workers rights there.
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In reply to Post #185
You may be right, it depends on your view political or otherwise. There are plenty of EU environmental restrictions in place that are based upon very little science. Workers rights were another tool used by both sides during the Brexit debate. I doubt they will reduce but again only time will tell.
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In reply to Post #184
If you look at the bills that are being discussed at the moment they are all feared to be reduced from EU standards. For one example that has been agreed is the re-listing of insecticides that the EU banned due their effect on the environment, in particular bee's. To quote a recent report - “However, the commitments on labor and environmental standards are considerably weaker than expected; there is only a commitment not to lower current levels of protection to the extent that any reductions may affect trade or investment”.
There is a strong feeling that environmental factors will be sacrificed if it affects investment of profit now that we have left the EU.
On the plus side perhaps Boris and pals will surprise us all and keep high food standards, great environmental standards and workers rights but don't hold your breath !! lol And lets not forget the Blue passport !
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In reply to Post #183
On what basis do you say that Jim.
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In reply to Post #180
But is looking to lower them along with reducing workers rights and environmental protections. I am afraid that anglers having problem with taking bait abroad will not be high on the agenda of either the UK nor the EU.
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In reply to Post #181
it wont change from an FSA prospective mate
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In reply to Post #180
And in 3 years?
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In reply to Post #177
The UK has one of the highest Food Standards in the world.
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In reply to Post #178
Quite right and lets not forget that the UK was party to making the rules for dealing with goods from countries outside the EU and quite frankly the UK government should have prepared for dealing with this in the last few years. By taking ourselves outside the single market and Schengen zone we have voted with out feet to be subject to the same rules as any other Country that is in the same situation.
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In reply to Post #177
Why would the EU want more? It's their rules. Don't forget it was the UK who left, not the other way around.
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In reply to Post #176
It's in the sun aswell, as long as we don't lower our food standards but knowing the EU they will want a lot more than just that.
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Ex Daily Express (so can you believe it?): A senior diplomat suggested EU countries could reconsider the meat and cheese ban and bring an end to customs officials confiscating packed lunches from British truckers.
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In reply to Post #172
Lol getting your car taken apart to bits by narco squad because of 5kg of boilies now that would be a result 😂😂
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I wouldn’t stop people trying tho I don’t think
Even buying the cheap scraps of boilies firms sell and having them on display may make them think they’ve had a result
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In reply to Post #172
The trouble with that Hitman is they'll throw the book at you if they do find anything. You'd be far better off making it look like an honest mistake.
If they xray the van they may think you're trying to smuggle more than just bait out if you've got stuff hidden behind the panels.
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I don’t think the market is big enough to set up over in France/Europe for us English carpers
People will find ways of hiding the boilies in vans ie air dry your boilies and if it’s a panel van hide them behind some panels then just buy a sack of cheap maize as a diversion and if you get stopped hopefully they will just take the maize and not look any further 😉😜👍
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In reply to Post #170
Thanks for clarifying
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In reply to Post #168
I meant whos risking setting up a business in France, not knowing how big the market will be (if bringing across in the boot continues to be the norm if the Douane don't care) and who's going to risk taking bait across the channel to test the Douane.
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In reply to Post #168
There are people still going over now. I haven't heard of anyone having bait confiscated. Whether any of those guys are prepared to share their experience I don't know.
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In reply to Post #165
Who's risking it first!?
Someone like Mainline and it wouldn't be a risk it would be done with the correct paper work and within the law.
In reply to Post #166
Why wouldn't we allow it their food is produced to high EU standards.
We on other hand will be allowed to import such things as chlorinated chicken(which I don't have a problem with) from across the world and the EU wouldn't want that coming into their counties via the UK
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In reply to Post #166
Bang goes my half a hind quarter of beef BBq's then
Thats worst than not having any bait 
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In reply to Post #165
I have just been reading about the restrictions we have on taking food and bait to France due to Brexit and was shocked to find that, in the deal negotiated by Boris, hat the restrictions are not reciprocal and do not apply to EU goods being exported from the Eu to the UK. The upside of this is that you can bring as much food and bait back from your French trip as you like......great news !!
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In reply to Post #164
Too big a risk. For all our talk we've yet to see how the Douane feel about it. After all of this they may end up not giving a monkeys.
Who's risking it first!?
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In reply to Post #163
Only 2 weeks
Could someone corner the Market?
I wouldn't be surprised someone is currently working on it.
Will it cost us more than before then? Probably yes, a bit annoying but at the end of the day it's only fishing bait.
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In reply to Post #162
It's been 2 weeks 🙄 , everyone is learning the new protocols needed .
Back on subject , with figures banded around of between 5 - 10 millions being lost by not setting up to export , could be that someone could corner the market ?, Lot of money there .
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In reply to Post #161
I don't want the thread to go off piste and I'm certainly not getting into politics but for the record I voted remain. The press were stiring the pot on both sides and were as poor as the politicians, they all lied before the vote to suit there own argument and point of view. Some of them still can't except it and use it for Boris bashing at every opportunity...( I didn't vote for him either!) They do the same now with the pandemic, it's pathetic.
Being the pragmatic type I'm just trying to get on with it and deal with the fall out of leaving the EU the same as everyone else is that's effected by it but yes totally agree... the rules for countries outside the EU have been the same for years...
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In reply to Post #159
https://www.douane.gouv.fr/demarche/vous-recevez-par-colis-ou-transportez-dans-vos-bagages-des-produits-dorigine-animale
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In reply to Post #157
Yeah I'm not disagreeing with you Jim and again as I said at he beginning of the thread I'm far from an expert on these matters but there are different VAT rules for goods, services and e-commerce/distance selling...its beyond complicated but if you read stuff from the press which had a preference to remain/anti government they'll always pick out the worst parts of everything!
I've had a couple of supplier's stop shipping so well aware it's happening...
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In reply to Post #157
Have you got a link that doesn't require a sign in?
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In reply to Post #156
The UK's new VAT on imports system is unique in the world... for a reason it turns out
https://www.ft.com/content/bae02f57-a648-45fd-a774-6b341aa59caf
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In reply to Post #154
Same thing applies to UK companies exporting to the EU once you reach a certain limit....which the French have reduced by quite a lot...
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In reply to Post #154
The VAT system the UK government has put in place is an absolute fiasco, designed to shift the UK's shortcomings onto possible importers.
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In reply to Post #153
We are now charged as a third country which was our choice and again, any paperwork and charges we put on will be applied where goods are imported. One thing that is stopping a lot o smaller companies exporting to the UK from the EU is that Boris insist that they register for UK vat and collect it on behalf of our Government. The cost of doing so is totally out of any perspective to the value of trade. Interesting times ahead methinks.
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In reply to Post #150
I trust the "rope" pulls both ways and we apply the same rules to French cheese, wines and other food stuffs heading for the UK ?
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In reply to Post #149
Correct Winkler and again this works out against small businesses in general.
If you're not VAT registered then you can't zero rate VAT for export but France will still slap VAT on over a certain value I believe (I'm not 100% on this as I know that for smaller lower value items this can be avoided but I think there is a cap on this and it still needs to be applied over a certain amount)
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In reply to Post #150
its a substantial amount of bait and revenue mate.
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In reply to Post #147
Yes 20kg is a minimum here, 30kg is usual for boilies alone.
I also suspect that more than 1000 anglers cross the border each week during the season.
Working out the numbers involved also validates the EU'S stance on bait. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking its just a few bags here and there in the back of peoples vans but 700-1000+ tons a year is not an inconsiderable amount.
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In reply to Post #14
An earlier post but you should not be charged VAT on any UK export now, unlike prior to the 1st Jan. You will of course pay duties there in France including handling fees no doubt..
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In reply to Post #146
That looks reasonable to me, as an average probably about right. If you were to include hookbaits, liquids, pellets, particles, it is a viable business opportunity..
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In reply to Post #146
i know on my trips bait is an average of 40Kg per angler...
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In reply to Post #144
Say 1000 anglers come over each week (no idea how many come over, anyone know?) all with 20kg (conservative) that's 20 tons a week by my calculation. All paying say £7 a kg on average that'd be 140k worth of trade a week for the industry or nearly £5 million in a 35 week season.
Those numbers seem right to everyone?
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In reply to Post #144
regarding overseas bait sales,
its high, as people generally take alot more per week than they do in their uk angling..
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In reply to Post #143
I voted leave , and without doubt things are cropping up that people did not realise , but I always thought it would be a bit chaotic for the first 6 months at least , with people having to change in many ways . The bait thing , within 12 hours I'd arranged bait to be picked up over there , and even if it's not what I use over here, it's not a bad replacement .
I feel for the people in the well thought out posts below, like smaller businesses effected etc , although I'm not sure what percentage of the average bait company's income is reliant on overseas sales , perhaps someone knows ?.
Polish going home ? , I work with loads , lots are only here short term , and with the work place availability over there changing some friends have gone home , brexit or not .
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In reply to Post #140
Spot on..
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What I don’t get is that we’ve had nearly 5? years, since the referendum, to get things sorted before 1st January this year 🤷🏻♂️
These rules have always applied to countries outside the EU and they are not new rules that were made up on 1st Jan. Other countries outside the EU still seem to get their products into the EU and have their processes in place.
But us being the typical British have waited until the last minute and now flapping, huffing and puffing about not having the right paperwork to get some boilies into the EU 😂. The rules are the rules and they have been there for a long time. People like Mainline, Nash, CCMoore etc could of easily of gotten all the relevant paperwork in place so they can export their products. Now it’s been left until the last minute it’s going to be a big rush and no doubt big costs now to get everything needed in place. Probably hoping for a deal to be put in place and didn’t bother to prepare themselves for a no deal
And unfortunately all of these extra cost will be passed on to us customers
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In reply to Post #137
Bait shouldn't have been a reason to make you vote either way you're right, however being a member of several Expat groups on Facebook there's a clear pattern forming which I find sad. The larger companies in various different sectors are able to afford the extra man hours and investment into cutting through the red tape, the people left behind are going to be the smaller companies that can't - I've seen a lot of people looking down their nose at 'Freds in sheds' but that's where a lot of businesses start out and there's never been shame in any business staying small (quite the contrary in fact - small businesses often thrive by offering superior and bespoke products and services).
I read an interesting article yesterday by a UK>EU removals firm detailing all the paperwork now needed and predicting the end to 'man and a van' operations due to the administration needed to clear customs which is just one of the many examples to show that less than three weeks in and the signs are its nibbling away at cross border business already, with the little men set to fall first as always.
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In reply to Post #136
I voted leave , and not taking a bit of bait to France for a weeks holiday is a hollow excuse to change .
I will buy bait out there , be it lake specials , or pre ordered French/Dutch/Belgium companies at tackle shops etc .
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In reply to Post #134
Look down a couple of posts
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In reply to Post #131
The Angling Trust are now involved. They are lobbying the Government for a rule change.
https://anglingtrust.net/2021/01/15/anglers-to-challenge-brexit-bait-ban/
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In reply to Post #132
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In reply to Post #131
There's loads of ways around these new rules. Bait from the UK should still be able to be exported to shops and venues in Europe, it just looks like it'll be a ballache and might increase costs. Theres also tons of bait companies within Europe.
Its a big change but not a terrible one.
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In reply to Post #130
I hope I'm wrong but it 's only January the 17th yet it sounds like your are already resigned doomed to failure.
Granted not everyone but there's a few fair few on here that seem it's not ideal situation but not a showstopper
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In reply to Post #129
The AT seems to think they have the ability to negotiate with Brussels over this... I think they're a little bit out of their league to say the least.
To say that boilies are not going to enter the foodchain because they are used by catch and release anglers shows a certain degree of ignorance too.
Many boilies are used by anglers to fish public lakes and rivers where removing fish for the table is quite commonplace in France and even more so in other EU countries.
Fish are also sold by catch and release fisheries and may end up becoming part of the foodchain - for example, several times in the past we've sold small carp to our local commune for them to stock in the village lake which allows anglers to take their catch home with them. We sold pike to a fish farmer a few years ago and there's a very good chance they became table fish - and we all know pike eat a certain amount of boilies.
We once sampled one of our nuisance catfish and were surprised to find the flesh was quite pleasant.
The following year we took a catfish from a friends lake up the road and did the same thing, it smelt funny, its flesh had a yellow tint and when we decided to give it a miss even the dogs wouldn't touch it. I strongly suspect that it was bait thay had tainted the flesh.
This is well above the AT's pay grade in my opinion.
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From the Angling Trust
Anglers to challenge Brexit bait ban
15 January 2021
The Angling Trust has joined forces with bait manufacturers Dynamite and Mainline in urgently seeking clarification on Brexit ruling which will effectively ban UK anglers from taking baits with them on fishing trips in Europe.
Since the UK-EU Trade Agreement came into force on January 1st, the export of baits derived from animal produce, such as boilies, requires a European Health Certificate (EHC) to be completed. At present, the EHC for baits of this sort are under the same requirements as exporting animal feed which involves exhaustive and expensive testing, and certification from a vet. To make export to Europe cost effective, the Angling Trust believes bait needs to sit under a simpler EHC classification.
Mark Owen, the Angling Trust’s Head of Freshwater, said:
“The Angling Trust has retained active engagement with the European Commission through our membership of the European Anglers Alliance and we will continue to press the EU to facilitate this change of EHC classification.
“It is apparent, from our understanding, that the current position will impact on anglers purchasing bait in England to go fishing in Europe once Covid travel restrictions are lifted as they would have to produce an EHC if challenged. We are presently seeking clarification that our interpretation is correct and more information will follow.”
Jamie Cook, Angling Trust CEO and keen carp angler, added:
“It’s ridiculous that fishing baits for a species that is returned alive are being treated as if they were part of the food production process. I have asked my team at the Angling Trust to work with the angling trade to press the European Commission to see sense.”
The Angling Trades Association also hope to provide a briefing on the issues next week.
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In reply to Post #126
Big UK bait companies will still export from the UK to Europe. We are talking here about anglers taking bait over for a fishing trip. Totally different situations. Same as a huge dairy company exporting cheese to the EU. They will still be able to but you won't be able to take any wether on a week's fishing or fortnight in Benidorm
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In reply to Post #126
Not being able to take bait to France would not effect my decision to vote the way I did .
I see a bait company posted on Facebook about the situation along the line of - this is what you voted for , and then deleted the post .
Google bait company's and tackle shops over there and options come up .
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In reply to Post #125
Jimmy, this all makes complete sense to me.
One additional thought, the major UK Bait industry does export to the US. To do so, it has to pass US regulations, and Mainline, CCMoore, DNA et al seem to have been able to do so, consequently we can buy their stuff here on www.bigcarptackle.com.
I am sure EU Regs are different, probably more challenging, but given time and investment, probably the big bait suppliers can comply, given the market opportunity?
Suppose we will see how soon this may happen...
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In reply to Post #124
A post I wrote on FB earlier, it may be of interest to some on here... I'd got fed up with seeing so many daft comments, especially on the AT post which fanned the flames....
It seems that lots of carp anglers are feeling victimised by the EU right now regarding the bait situation. I can assure you that the guys and gals in Brussels didn't purposefully go out of their way to stick it to British carp anglers.
The rules that outlaw bait and other foodstuffs from being brought over the border post Brexit are long standing rules for countries outside of the EU's single market. It is also the rule for entry into many countries in the world for biosecurity reasons - many are much stricter. Even if a product is made to EU standards it needs to go through the proper checks and customs procedures which include things like veterinary checks, all of which aren't feasible when your just taking 30kg with you on holiday.
UK bait companies will still be able to export into the EU, however they will now have go through the same export procedures as every other nation in the world has to when they export products into the EU. This is turning out to be difficult as the procedures for exporting animal feeds into EU is quite extensive by the sounds of things.
Boilies are classed as an animal feed in Europe because freshwater fish are commonly eaten all over Europe therefore boilies are likely to enter into the human foodchain. This is certainly true of France where many communal lakes and state owned waterways allow you to take your catch home with you.
The reason why these customs checks have become necessary now is because by leaving the EU single market we have taken over control of many laws and standards that the EU has had control over. In order to protect it's citizens and its livestock from foods and feeds inferior to the standards set by EU law, these customs checks are now required to ensure that everything that passes into the single market meets these standards. Until the start of this month, the UK customs agents were in charge of policing these rules from imports from the USA for example.
The writing was on the wall for all these changes years ago, they aren't a surprise.
I'm sure this is obvious to many, however I felt I had to write something after reading literally hundreds of comments from angry carp anglers over the last few days who seem to think that this is some kind of punishment from Brussels and that they'll 'change their minds' soon enough ect.
This is what Brexit is, this isn't political, this is the new normal and quite frankly, carp fishing will barely register on the radar when it comes to the headaches these new customs procedures are causing right now. It will settle down soon enough as both businesses and governments get to grips with the changes.
But the rules won't change.
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In reply to Post #5
Well there is nothing wrong with going backwards 
Hopefully, something will get sorted in the future
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In reply to Post #121
I was talking from our viewpoint as a venue in France. By 'here' I meant our lakes
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In reply to Post #117
I don't get the inferenced that a European bait needs to be consitant here to work over there
English anglers try to infer that our baits are superior to basic French baits, now they probably are nutitionally but no one told the fish. Now if your fishing a pressurized English type water in Europe then you may have a point as the fish will have been educated to certain baits, but I'd say the vast majority of waters this doesn't apply to.
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In reply to Post #119
Had to have a wry laugh when I saw that earlier. I'm not sure why the carp fishing industry thinks it has enough clout to change long standing customs rules for entry into the EU. I'm also not sure why bait should be exempt from the checks that apply to any to every other food or feed product when imported.
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https://anglingtrust.net/2021/01/15/anglers-to-challenge-brexit-bait-ban/
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In reply to Post #117
i suspect alot of the french baits are quite far behind the UK's bait development and with the lack of choice now, i bet my bottom dollar those bait firms will use inferior ingredients.... that happens enough over here
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In reply to Post #116
My biggest concern in all this is that our fish are super picky - many baits just don't work here, or only work for certain months. We know which British baits we can recommend but its going to be a steep learning curve trying to get to grips with French baits, I only know of one European bait that is consistent here. Its why I'd like to source a known quantity form the UK to use alongside French baits until we've learnt a bit more.
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In reply to Post #114
And as you will know lake owners will only be supplying quality bait as no owner wants crap bait being shovelled in their lake.
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In reply to Post #114
i appreciate that mate
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In reply to Post #110
The thing is Frenzy, lakes have nothing to do with these new rules and you will have other options than buying from the venue.
'I want to use my own bait' doesn't change the facts that are being discussed here.
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In reply to Post #109
Le Moulin du Mee (Oldfellah's son)
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In reply to Post #111
quite a few i wont mention
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In reply to Post #110
Who is charging you 10 per kg for 80kg that you want to take with you?
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In reply to Post #106
Relevance being
i dont want to use a different bait to what ive used for the past 15 odd yrs.
most "supplied" baits ive come across (optionally) are silly prices. granted i dont pay over for my bait and i dont mind paying, but i do when it starts getting silly.
£10 a kg, when you use quantities like i do, it becomes very expensive. not just for me, but for others on the trip/s
Plus alot of bait firms i dont trust and trust is everything i my book.
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In reply to Post #108
What is your fishery Jimmy?
I'd imagine just holding off doing anything for now as EU/UK export is a complete disaster area right now and will most likely continue to be for a while. It may well become viable to produce a small range of baits if the demand i.e. UK angler numbers are there still and there is no work around the current regs. Time will tell..
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In reply to Post #107
According to a couple of the large bait firms, currently nobody can export bait, from what I've heard there isn't a suitable export document available yet. We're also in a situation where we don't know when we will reopen again so investing in stock is out of the question at the moment - I was intending to contact ABS at the end of the month to find out if they plan on exporting, everything has been so up in the air I thought it best to give them a few weeks to get to grips with the situation before asking.
Id like to be in the position where we can offer both a French made bait and a well known UK made bait, or a choice of two French baits if importing from the UK isn't viable. Long-term we'd like to roll out own but that will require quite a large investment.
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In reply to Post #106
Jimmy; do you have a plan for the future with ABS regarding continuation of supply?
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In reply to Post #105
I don't understand the relevance.
You will have 4 choices.
Buy bait supplied by the lake.
Buy bait in Europe
Risk it and take it through the border
Decide to stop coming to Europe to fish (or any other country outside Europe for that matter, many have even stricter rules).
Weve been supplying a tweeked ABS bait for the last couple of years, we sold it for about £1 more per kg than you could buy it direct from ABS.
Some lakes take the piss, they're in the minority, most of us are just trying to run an honest business.
Prices are likely to go up everywhere after this year though, the cost of getting British bait out here is likely to go up anyway.
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In reply to Post #103
simply put
I dont want to use a boillie thats not of my choice
I will not get mugged off with stupid bait prices of £10 per kg +
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In reply to Post #101
An interesting point.
One thing for sure, this won't be the end to British bait being transported over the channel with anglers. We've only been talking about the rules and there is going to be loads of anglers who will risk it and attempt to bring bait - maybe even the majority. Whether the Douane increase checks and how severe the penalties will be for getting caught with 60kg of your favourite boilie nobody knows yet.
I wouldnt want to be the first to risk it as the Douane aren't known for being forgiving.
There seems to still be anglers travelling over here to fish by all accounts despite the ban thats been put on non residents travelling over. There appears to be a 'one rule for us and another rule for everyone else' attitude shared by many carp anglers.
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I can’t see what everyone is getting flustered about , their rules and all that .
Supermarket near venue stock up sorted .
Sort out some maize and get soaking sorted .
If venues won’t let you use particle fish the rivers as that’s where a lot of the stock in muddy puddles came from anyway .
Still the up side is no more of these # posts these caught on this bait that bait scenario .
All chill out it will all get sorted in the future 🤔
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In reply to Post #101
I wouldn’t know, but I assume they sourced them in the EU. Would be interested to know otherwise.
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So I'll ask the question again :
What did the non EU based teams of anglers at the World Carp Classic etc do in regards to their baits used in the competition? Would be quite useful to know..
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In reply to Post #99
From what I gather the big companies are unable to export at the moment as there is (currently) no export document which covers them. The checks and procedures that will apply to the bait seem to be a bit of an unknown, as are what customs clearance fees and duties it might attract. I dont think that it will be crippling however, the paperwork required is likely to be the difficulty in exporting rather than the cost.
It seems nobody really knows whats going to happen. One thing for sure, its going to be a lot more complicated than just acquiring an EORI number.
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In reply to Post #90
Sorry BRB, I worded my post badly. Yes these rules have existed for a long time but only now apply to the UK as we have left the EU - there have been many people.claiming that the rules have existed for travelers from the UK for years which is untrue and stems from limits that were temporarily put in place during the foot and mouth outbreak.
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In reply to Post #88
Shingoose's advice is again completely correct.
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In reply to Post #96
This is an Export Health Certificate
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5f6a1902d3bf7f7239aa147b/Specimen-8333_English_V1.pdf
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In reply to Post #95
That is totally inaccurate advice. You can’t include an Export Health Certificate in product packaging. It is an official document, signed and stamped on every page by a DEFRA Vet, and the original hard copy has to travel with the goods for inspection by the EU customs officials. Angling Lines have it horribly wrong I’m afraid.
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In reply to Post #92
I received an email from angling lines who are writing to their clients with what they know.
They have contacted UK bait companies and one mentioned that by including their export health certificate in the wording of on its bait packaging it would be compliant. They were hopeful this would satisfy the EU requirements. I am hoping the main bait companies will work on this to help their customers and keep their offshore sales going.
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In reply to Post #93
Essential have stopped selling to Europe which gives a good idea.
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In reply to Post #92
What information or advice are the major UK bait manufacturing companies providing, that would be useful?
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In reply to Post #91
Thanks Colin for that information, so basically we can´t take any UK manufactured boilies then. Well we learnt how to catch carp without fishing baits off the hooks, so now following on from the hair rig, we need to use a fresh air rig, surely the carp will fall for that.
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In reply to Post #88
David,
If boilies contain animal products such as egg, fish (but NOT meat or milk products), the MAX personal limit = 2kg
If boilies contain meat or milk products, the MAX personal limit = 0kg (ie totally banned, will be confiscated)
20kg limit is nothing to do with bait, it’s only for fresh fish for human consumption and then under certain circumstances.
Other than these personal limits, if you want to take boilies into the EU you’ll need to be a DEFRA approved exporter and every consignment will need microbiology tests, pre-export Vet checks, Export Health Certification, legal representation as a distributor in the EU, give 24hrs notice to the EU customs of your arrival and then have the goods inspected at the border.
Or, you can try a bit of smuggling and take your chances! Depends on how reasonable you think French customs will be.
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In reply to Post #86
I understood the meat and dairy regs had been in place for a number of years Jimmy. It applied to items entering the EU. Pre Brexit it wasn't an issue for the English as we were already within the EU. Obviously things are now different for us as we are now importing.
If I have got that wrong sorry.
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Is there a limit to how much beer we can take, don't like the French stuff.
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In reply to Post #86
Jimmy I am getting more and more confused, maybe it is an age thing, will we or won't we be allowed to take UK manufactured boiles to Europe and if we are, will the restriction be 20kgs? Thanks
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In reply to Post #84
Not sure why anybody in the UK would want to use boilies made in the EU on UK waters, they are rubbish!!
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In reply to Post #84
Shingoose is exactly right. The 20kg relates to pure fish products, no boilies would be applicable to this allowance.
There's no ifs buts and maybes anymore, boilies will not be permitted under the new rules. And they are NEW rules, seen loads of people saying that they have always existed - they haven't, it WAS perfectly fine taking meat, dairy and cereal products into the EU until the start of this month.
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In reply to Post #84
Rather a kick in the teeth for U.K. manufacturers from our govt.
Hardly a surprise. It was Johnson who said '**** business' when questioned about Brexit concerns, after all.
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In reply to Post #83
No, I’m sorry, that’s not correct. If you’re taking over the personal allowance (0kg if containing meat/milk, 2kg if containing neither) then where the boilies were made will make no difference to the requirement for an Export Health Certificate issued by a DEFRA Vet after an inspection of the individual consignment you’re looking to export into the EU. Plus all the other rigmarole associated with a commercial export will apply, even if you’re not looking to sell the goods.
The country of origin will only affect the issue of whether tariffs are applied (U.K. or EU origin = no tariffs, nonEU/U.K. = tariffs payable).
Indeed boilies made in France would need to travel to the U.K. with a French EHC, and then would need. U.K. EHC to go back the other way. Well, the French will need the EHC from July - our govt have given EU exporters 6 month grace that doesn’t apply going U.K.-EU direction! Rather a kick in the teeth for U.K. manufacturers from our govt.
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In reply to Post #82
I should think so.... it's the point of origin that is the issue. The difficulty would be proving it was made within the EU.
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Heres another angle.....wonder if you can take bait into france that was made in france and exported to the uk?
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Some cheap French lakes coming on the market soon then?
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In reply to Post #74
It's EU regulations, not French.
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In reply to Post #78
Just spoke to a friend in France , a bait company he uses is struggling to get ingredients now , as they relied on importing stuff from here .
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In reply to Post #75
They will have to.
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In reply to Post #76
These rules were in place prior to us leaving the EU so nothing new or surprising here.
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In reply to Post #75
I'm not surprised tbh, as with pretty much everything related to our departure from the EU, forward planning and organisation for trade has been left to 'sort itself out over time'. What a dismal mess..
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In reply to Post #74
Just seen that Essential has suspended taking orders from outside the UK and states this is because of the “EU’s stringent regulations”
See if any of the other companies follow.
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In reply to Post #70
thing with that, and i agree, the french dont mind stuff coming to the uk its us taking it into france they have an issue with and no immigrant goes back to france
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I imagine the big bait companies will be setting up in France as we speak
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Will just have to find some good places to hide the boilies then 😜👍
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20kg of hookbaits it is then
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In reply to Post #69
They cant stop drugs and boat loads of immigrants coming into country so how they going to stop a bit of bait lol
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In reply to Post #68
Less than 2 weeks in , things are still to new to panic . Taking food 🙄 , I always take a big curry to sort out the first night for us , but the shops and patisserie are awesome in France , so no problem for me . Bait , hmmm , inconvenient but something we have to work round , but not a major reason for me to not vote leave .
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If this thread had been posted a couple of months before the referendum, it would have been dismissed as 'project fear'.
We'll all have to suck it up and make alternative arrangements. If you want to moan about it .. take it up with a brexiter.
In reply to #54
Sealine ... after getting the poorest possible deal after the UK caved on fishing, you're still giving it the 'they need us more than we need them' cobblers? Really?
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In reply to Post #66
Most seeds are also prohibited.
As stated fisheries products is in reference to fresh fish
French customs penalties FYI
https://www.codes-et-lois.fr/code-des-douanes/toc-contentieux-recouvrement-dispositions-repressives-classific-f130e56-texte-integral
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In reply to Post #64
They contain dairy....which is also banned
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In reply to Post #64
a rather confusing subject hey chaps
i cant see them worrying too much about anglers carrying fishing bait..they'll be more interested in freight
time will tell i guess
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In reply to Post #63
Do all nut bait boilies contain no products of animal origin? most i have seen do contain some, and if yours didn't how would you prove they dont?
At the moment we dont know what restrictions will be put in place we will have to wait and see but if they are taken to the letter things could be very bad
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In reply to Post #62
The rules state that all POAO (products of animal origin)are banned. Therefore no amount of fish meal boilie will be allowed. If they are confiscating one ham sandwich how are they going to allow you to take 20kg of krill or any other fish meal type bait. How the customs will be able to tell the difference between a fish meal and a nut bait, remains to be seen. They will probably just take everything. Good luck to anyone trying to reason with a customs official. They are the same the world over.
Just look at the tv program about border force in Australia. They are always stopping Chinese people bring in food. We are now in the same position. It all will get confiscated and chucked in the bin, if they do any searches.
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In reply to Post #61
We covered that in the first 10 posts....
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In reply to Post #58
I think the term fishery products is causing some confusion still; it is as you say and not bait..
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In reply to Post #59
Would this include sweetcorn, frozen or tinned?
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In reply to Post #58
I did say 'if that is the limit'
Serious question....do you work in Customs and Excise or a freight forwarding company with full export knowledge?
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In reply to Post #56
The 20kg limit is NOT for bait, which is classed as animal feed containing ABPs. The 20kg limit is for ‘fishery products’ such as fresh or processed fish and some shellfish such as prawns, mussels and oysters. This does NOT apply to bait products.
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In reply to Post #45
It ain’t that simple, dry particles are subject to plant health requirements (part of the wider SPS regime) and will require Phytosanitary Certificates. Probably won’t apply to cooked particles though, but you’d be better to check with the Animal & Plant Health Agency.
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In reply to Post #47
Joss, to my knowledge at the moment It shouldn't make any difference to individuals with their 20kg if thats the limit but it will depend on how it's policed at the border and the information they've been given on what's allowed and what isn't.
For bait co's exporting larger amounts there's a lot more hurdles and restrictions depending on composition, amounts of ABP's and Dairy ect.....it's far from plain and simple but I wouldn't think it can be policed at that level at the passenger ports.
Even DPD have had to stop sending across because of incorrect paperwork and a backlog of refused packages and they're French owned!
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In reply to Post #1
Going to France to fish ,you can expect it to be a given ,that you will be searched for bait and illegal imports , these being food as well as your bait.
We stand out especially when dressed in camo gear.
One glance in the vehicle will show you are an angler you will then be targeted for close inspection, all illegal imports will be confiscated, and I will be surprised if you are not fined and then charged an exorbitant fee for cost of disposal of the illegal goods you have been caught trying to smuggle into the E.U.
This is punishment for the UK leaving the E.U.
You just have to ask yourself do I want to visit such a friendly group of countries as this at all ? Be it for fishing and or holidays in general. Any one stood in a giant queue to leave a Greek island at the end of a holiday ,I can well imagine that queue twice as long ,as well as the one when you arrive.
The actual people running the EU are not elected,( the elected one are told to reconsider when they get it wrong,and invariably do as they are told,) ) so they are free to do what they like to errant members and ex-members who chose to leave their cosy Family, regardless to the economic effects on their people.
If the whole of the UK stopped going on any holidays in the EU for the next year it may encourage them to moderate their behaviour towards us.
If we do this straight away it will be so much more effective coming straight after Covid.
it should be noted that far more of us go to the EU than they come here.
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In reply to Post #50
That's a shame, we generally much prefer them to UK supermarkets. They have got more expensive over the years which even in your 11 years you will have noticed, sometimes this can be a bit of a shocker depending on location. They need Haloumi though!! so I agree with you on that one..
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In reply to Post #48
I messaged sticky baits on Instagram and they sent me the link below, if I’m correct from non European countries ( which we now are) you can take 20kg? Please correct me if I’m wrong though?
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/carry/meat-dairy-animal/index_en.htm
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In reply to Post #50
Pretty sure you can survive 1 week in france on their food... as others said it is part of the experience... some pate, ham, eggs, butter, cheese and few steaks and you are good to go... also pretty sure once covid **** settles down no one will be doing big checks on border anyway...
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In reply to Post #44
I lived in France for over 11 years so am well experienced of what the supermarkets sell and what they don't.
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In reply to Post #42
They don´t sell a lot of the English food that I like and having lived in France for over 11 years I never got used to or enjoyed much of their food.
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In reply to Post #47
It all seems to be an interpretation of rules set out for food for human consumption and animal feedstuffs but not specifically anglers bait for personal use.
Genuine question to anyone who may know: What did the non EU countries anglers do in the world champs at Madine etc. ? Australia for instance, did they bring bait or buy whatever they could get locally?
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In reply to Post #46
ive not read all the replies on here, but taking boillies into france, am i correct in saying bait allowed in is dependant on the make up of said bait?
ie, fishmeals not permitted but nut baits are?
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In reply to Post #45
Yep, no change there then..
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In reply to Post #44
Dry particles it is then, cook them up on the bank
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In reply to Post #41
But French supermarkets stock wonderful food, no need to take anything from the UK David.. When we go we always allow a couple of hrs at Intermarche , Leclerc or even Lidl, it all adds to the experience and contributes to their economy..
The thing with bait is that it has not been considered at all by anyone so far, so anglers are just trying to make head and tail of a load of rules and guidelines set out for non fishing specific end use. Time will tell what we can and can't take, and how much.
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In reply to Post #41
Unfortunately not ridiculous. We were inside the EU fence as a full member and protected by strict rules to prevent the importation of diseases such as anthrax, swine flu and foot and mouth. We have chosen to live outside the fence as a sovereign country with its own laws, currency and borders and no longer be a part of the EU. The rules have not changed. We have and we are now part of the EU's bio security threat as are all States that are non members. What we do now is our choice, as many wanted, learn to live with it and don't blame the EU for applying rules to non members as we did for over 40 years.
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In reply to Post #41
Buy it in a supermarket.
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In reply to Post #40
It isn´t just about taking bait that we should be worried about, there are a lot of restrictions on what food we will be allowed to take, especially those people who are doing drive and survive, all seems ridiculous!!
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In reply to Post #39
Plenty of bait companies and bait rollers in France doing quality bait.
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Some fisheries I know in France get their bait from Holland so it won’t be a problem for them, and I believe solar’s bait is rolled over there also so it might mean more business for them
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In reply to Post #37
So at the moment the best business plan is to open bait shop somewhere near motorway in Calais? plus fridge with uk bacon/butter/milk
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In reply to Post #36
The referendum was on staying or leaving the EU not on the finer details
If we’d had the chance to vote again on the deal once Boris negotiated it then I’m sure people would have had far more information to base their subsequent vote on
No idea if it would have changed the outcome but we will never know
The real test will be when they do open the current restrictions up and anglers start going over to France again
I think more fisheries will have to roll and sell their own baits moving forward to get around the potential risk of getting boilies confiscated
Also I am doing a drive and survive this year and was planning on cooking and freezing batches of my meals in advance but I think I will also have to reconsider this and purchase fresh in France when I arrive
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In reply to Post #32
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/11/dutch-officials-seize-ham-sandwiches-from-british-drivers?fbclid=IwAR2joodSJ-Ls4Mvhnm-BFT1bk7veNOpEgFK4JUHscN_mIOIzRKBzKkLdBoM
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In reply to Post #31
Just seen a video that shows Dutch custom officials confiscating the sandwiches of uk lorry drivers entering Holland, because the sandwiches contained meat.
Doesn’t bode well
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In reply to Post #29
I find it odd how many anglers I've heard saying that nothing has changed - a huge amount has now changed in terms of the rules of coming into the EU from the UK - its whether or not the amount of checks change that is key here.
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In reply to Post #29
Because the regulations that apply to British anglers and their bait have now changed! The bait may be no different, but unless you comply with the import procedures and border checks that apply now the U.K. is outside the single market, then French customs and port health authorities will consider you are breaching the relevant EU biosecurity requirements, and you’ll be open to the relevant penalties (if caught!).
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In reply to Post #27
Re your last paragraph, nothing has actually changed as far as anglers simply going fishing and taking the same bait that they have for the last 30+ years, why is it now a bio security offence?
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In reply to Post #27
Shingoose, your final sentence is the crux of the matter.
Even now with a full travel ban for non residents of France (unless you're a cross border worker), there are still British anglers coming over here to fish - even public lakes where the French aren't night fishing due to the curfew - Many carp anglers are chancers.
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In reply to Post #23
Agreed, this might indeed be the case that not even 2kg is allowed without full SPS controls, but it’s not entirely clear and it depends partly on composition.
A detailed reading of the regs certainly dictates that all pet food (except that for vet health reasons and then only as long as <2kg) will be subject to full SPS checks as will all animal feeds containing milk or meat products. A feed bait containing NO milk or meat is, I think, exempt at <2kg, but I can’t ascertain this for absolute certainty.
The detailed reg is here for anybody who fancies sending themselves to sleep:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32019R2122&from=EN
All a moot point probably anyway; 2kg not much use in any case.
To avoid the need for full SPS certification and border checks it is pretty much Inevitable that anglers will probably have no option but to source bait from within the EU for EU trips, and this will probably make it very difficult to get U.K. brands easily (certainly in the short/med term) or at a sensible price.
Or, depending on the level of random checks, people can take the chance on effectively smuggling bait into the EU, but I wouldn’t expect French customs taking a lenient view of that for anyone getting caught as they’d view is as a serious bio-security offence.
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In reply to Post #24
I think most commercial fisheries will now supply bait to visiting anglers.
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If 48% get waved through, while 52% get their bait confiscated, fined, and their bodily orifices inspected for hidden pop-ups, it would seem fair.
Just hope the French customs officers can tell who's who.
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In reply to Post #23
Perhaps Eastenders will diversify into selling bait rather just cheap beer and wine
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In reply to Post #22
As said, the official look on this is no bait would be allowed. I think even the 2kg is dubious as I believe that relates to specialist pet food for dogs with special dietary needs for example.
The question is, will they police it? And what will the penalties be? and thats not going to be answered for a while.
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In reply to Post #20
Not that I'm aware of no....I think travel will need to start again and get people going over to see how it's being policed at Calais
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In reply to Post #19
Has there been any definitive guidance on this yet?.
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In reply to Post #14
Message surpressed as my interpretation was wrong, good accountant I am.
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In reply to Post #17
No problem
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In reply to Post #16
Thats great JK, thanks very much. That's one potential issue gone.
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In reply to Post #14
I'll also put this link up for you to read....better from the horse's mouth than from me....
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-exports-dispatches-and-supplying-goods-abroad#collection-by-customer
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In reply to Post #14
Hi Jim, you're correct ref VAT on imports to France. I guess if you were VAT registered you would just claim that back as usual but I don't know enough about the French system to know whether there's another way round it.
I'm speaking to someone next week and hope to find out a bit more...you're not alone in your thoughts
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In reply to Post #9
Will do David.
Question for you JK, sounds like you run a bait company.
It seems that all imports from the UK will be subject to French VAT. Will you be able to export VAT free to a company that isn't VAT registered in France? I'm trying to get my head around how we can avoid paying two lots of VAT. I presume that no VAT gets charged by the company that is exporting from the UK?
Amazon UK seem to be deducting VAT for orders to France and then charging basically the same amount as 'duties'.
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In reply to Post #12
Hi Jimmy, I realised this morning who you were (MDM in your username gave me a clue ). Spoke to your Dad many years ago and glad that you are still doing well in France. I misread your posting about bait, so am no longer confused (lol). Please pass on my best wishes to your Dad.
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In reply to Post #11
I'm Oldfellah's son Dave 15 years out here now!
We all need luck for 2021!
I'm sceptical that bringing 30kg of fishing bait full of fishmeal, eggs and dairy products will be permitted when youre not allowed to bring a pack of bacon, bottle of milk or a bag of pedigree chum with you (and those are facts being discussed widely amongst expats and second home owners).
Sorry, I don't quite understand what you are saying is confusing about one of my posts?
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In reply to Post #10
Personally I don´t think it will apply to fishing baits, I could be wrong though. Jim I think your post is confusing maybe the same as the new rules, assume you might be a new lake operator in France (only a few recent posts on the forum), if you are good luck for 2021!!
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In reply to Post #9
It's sending me round the bend but probably because I'm trying to pre-empt what will happen but we'll find out soon enough as you say!
You are right, fisheries produce likely means fish and shellfish and products more closely linked to them than bait.
The closest thing to animal feed on the permitted list for tourists is pet food but only if it is for health reasons.
If the French decide to police this I just can't see bait getting through bu again, as you say let's wait and see.
Hopefully exporting bait in bulk to us guys on the continent will be feasible (and not just for the big boys) and the measures youre taking are sufficient.
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In reply to Post #7
I think we'd all be intersted in a definite answer Jim to be fair and i'm old enough to of lost the milk and bacon on more than one occasion way back when!
Their use of the word 'fisheries' doesn't mean carp/freshwater fisheries and bait is deemed and included in Animal Feed.
I've spent a fair chunk of my time this year getting bait labelling to EU standards so i've got a reasonable grip on things but it doesn't make me an expert by any means....
Sending bait to you at your lake or to a French shop for resale with the appropriate labelling and paperwork is a different thing to guys turning up at Calais with 40kg of their chosen carp slayer in air dry bags.
Until we know its not necessary and because individually it's a relatively small amount, common sense would maybe say to have the appropriate labelling or information to hand just in case the question is asked....?
Who knows....the French love a rule so maybe there will be limits on personal use that you can take through....anything is possible and guess we'll have to wait a bit and see what happens.
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In reply to Post #7
Clearly if the European markets are of a worthwhile size then companies will begin manufacturing on the continent. This may or may not affect sales in UK depending on where sales volumes lie. Could result in job losses in UK. Let's hope not.
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In reply to Post #6
If bait isn't included as fishery products then its likely to come under meat and dairy which is a complete ban. Just about every bait contains milk eggs or dairy. Bait in unmarked bags is likely not to be permitted at all.
The links I sent are very clear on meat, dairy and products containing them and expecting fishing bait to be specifically referenced at any time in the near future or ever is very unlikely. I assure you I'm not scaremongering here and have said in every comment that these rules may not be policed however I think acknowledging the new rules that are coming into place is an important issue - if the French customs do decide to strictly police this then we all need to know what the rules are.
I'd love to be wrong on this and very interested/open to anyone who can provide sources which state that bait shan't be am issue if your subject to a customs inspection.
On a side note - Lots of the bait makers seem to be assuring their customers on the continent that shipping to them won't be an issue next year, hopefully they're right and there isn't new red tape thrown up but I'm less confident myself from the research I've done so far. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
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In reply to Post #5
Nothing specific there tbh but pretty sure the 20kg of "Fishery Products" is whole produce from the sea.....
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In reply to Post #4
https://www.douane.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/2020-12/23/Brochure-voyageurs-Brexit-23122020.pdf
That specifically mentions meat and dairy.
https://www.douane.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/uploads/files/Documentations-Brochures/Langues-etrangeres/Trouble-free-travel-with-french-customs.pdf
Thats a general French customs guide dated back to 2016 and includes the 20kg of 'fishery products".
As far as I'm aware the UK is to be treated as a third country unless otherwise stated so all/most of these rules will now apply to travelers from the UK.
As I say, whether this is going to be policed is another matter.
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In reply to Post #3
The 20kg limit is the new official allowance for bait from next year, meat and dairy are now prohibited from being transported into France from the UK.
Where have you got that from Jimmy?
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In reply to Post #1
The 20kg limit is the new official allowance for bait from next year, meat and dairy are now prohibited from being transported into France from the UK.
There has been no rules prohibiting bait or meat/dairy until now.
Whether or not any of this will be policed by the Douanes is another question.
If they do police it then I'm not sure how boilies in unmarked bags or bags marked up with ingredients that include meat/dairy will be treated.
It's going to be a very interesting first year and much depends upon the French customs and whether or not they enforce the new rules.
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In reply to Post #1
These rules have been in for years, no dairy products etc. During the foot and mouth era we made labels up in french stating the boilies contained no dairy products, whether or not it will be policed more after brexit only time will tell. 
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https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/animalproducts/personal_imports_en
Have you seen above site, or did you know about certain food restrictions in EU, like meat, milk and their products.
Below is taken from the above site, Im not sure if Ive read it correctly, or that it affects our sport, ie boilies!!
Its an interesting read.
"For fishery products (including fish and certain shellfish such as prawns, lobsters, dead mussels and dead oysters), travellers are allowed to bring in up to 20 kilograms"
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