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kizzi
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   Old Thread  #25 11 Jan 2021 at 3.40pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #18
I have found that a cube of paste the same size as the Corkball is about the right ratio. I.e. a 12mm diameter Corkball will need about a 12mmx 12mm x12mm cube of paste.
13hdave
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   Old Thread  #24 9 Jan 2021 at 8.52pm  0  Login    Register
13mm corkballs for 15/16mm baits will be nice and bouyant ive found baits made with 12’s can tend to lean over abit
Shallow666
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   Old Thread  #23 7 Jan 2021 at 6.29pm  0  Login    Register
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Ahh great stuff thanks all.... I thought I looked everywhere on the cc moore website, I'll check out the links and gather some bits.
BlankasorusRex
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BlankasorusRex
   Old Thread  #22 6 Jan 2021 at 9.13pm  0  Login    Register
The Cc Moores cork balls are a bit of an odd size. I’m sure that most people use 10mm or 12mm for the majority of their baits, but I think that cc Moores recommend 11mm, which very handily they seem to be just about the only people who sell them, as I think their finished size is 15mm where as a more std finished size is 16mm
bristol
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bristol
   Old Thread  #21 6 Jan 2021 at 7.43pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #18
Theres a guide on the CCMoore website on the page where you buy the rollers. Generally 12mm corkball for 15mm pop up etc
bluebeat13
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   Old Thread  #20 6 Jan 2021 at 7.23pm  0  Login    Register
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https://www.ccmoore.com/pdfs/cork-ball-hookbait-rig-guide.pdf
framey
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framey
   Old Thread  #19 6 Jan 2021 at 6.48pm  0  Login    Register
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https://www.carpology.net/article/bait/how-to-make-corkball-pop-ups-/

Shallow666
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   Old Thread  #18 6 Jan 2021 at 6.44pm  0  Login    Register
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If one was to buy the cc moore rolling tool gadget for pop ups, does anyone know if there is a guide for what size cork balls to buy for it? Assuming 12mm sort of size? Had a look on their website but haven't found any size guide.
I always used to make my own bottom baits, especially in my Ouse barbel days, but have become lazy of late. I've got a couple of reasonable wafter and bottom bait recipes, but never ventured into pop ups...
bristol
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bristol
   Old Thread  #17 5 Jan 2021 at 2.43pm  0  Login    Register
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I did a batch of 50 recently and used about a quarter of one eggs worth of paste. You need hardly any for each hookbait/ corkball
BlankasorusRex
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BlankasorusRex
   Old Thread  #16 5 Jan 2021 at 1.20pm  0  Login    Register
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Half a kilo of base mix might give you three quarters of a kilo of paste. You use a tiny pinch on each hookbait. So unless you are intending to hand them out to strangers. I’d stick with a one egg mix as suggested.
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #15 4 Jan 2021 at 6.23pm  0  Login    Register
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A shed load. You use a tiny amount of mix so your best off making a one egg mix or you will I'll have enough cork balls to last you a decade.
HG_CARPING
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HG_CARPING
   Old Thread  #14 4 Jan 2021 at 5.39pm  0  Login    Register
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Hi everyone,
cheers for the advice it is much appreciated

can anyone give me a rough way to work out how many cork balls I will need for a certain amount of base mix?

for example if i had 500g base mix how many cork balls would I roughly need?

cheers in advance
carpysmithers
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carpysmithers
   Old Thread  #13 23 Dec 2020 at 6.43pm  0  Login    Register
Great guide. Thanks.

Been making my own bait for while but never done cork ball before. They’ve come out looking ace. Cheers 👍
Chuffy
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Chuffy
   Old Thread  #12 20 Dec 2020 at 10.30am  0  Login    Register
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That's true
midlandman
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midlandman
   Old Thread  #11 19 Dec 2020 at 10.39pm  0  Login    Register
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Seconded!
chrispfox
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chrispfox
   Old Thread  #10 19 Dec 2020 at 9.59pm  0  Login    Register
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Thanks for the guide mate. It is super helpful.
BlankasorusRex
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   Old Thread  #9 19 Dec 2020 at 9.57pm  0  Login    Register
If you are new to making cork ball pop ups, the CC Moores ball maker makes it’s ridiculously easy. I’m a completely ham fisted plank and even I get them spot on using this.
mattycarphunter
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mattycarphunter
   Old Thread  #8 19 Dec 2020 at 9.33pm  0  Login    Register
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Someone thats rolled a few wrote that guide 😄
Chuffy
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Chuffy
   Old Thread  #7 18 Dec 2020 at 8.06pm  0  Login    Register
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I made some cork balls following that guide and they came out proper pro looking
chrispfox
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chrispfox
   Old Thread  #6 18 Dec 2020 at 5.53pm  0  Login    Register
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Here's the original post...

POP UPS

You will need
Flour sieve, egg albumin, eggs, basemix, flavours, corks, oil, mixing bowls and fork, small bowl of sunflower oil, a tray, boiling pot, drying tray, patience!

Basemix preparation
Get a flour sieve, and sieve your mix thoroughly, helping the mix through the sieve with your fingers. Chuck out what remains in the sieve (i.e. the big bits). Add egg albumin at 5% (so 50g per kilo) – with nut mixes it helps to also add whey at 2.5% (25g per kilo) as well as the albumin. You can go higher than 5% for a really hard bait, but you'll find they are more prone to cracking

Corkball preparation
Pour some corkballs into a container (empty ice cream tub is ideal, that sort of size). In a cup, crack one whole egg, then crack another egg but only put the yolk in the cup, discard the white (or save it for making the paste, see “paste”). You then have a whole egg plus a yolk in the cup. Whisk with a fork, really well. Tip SOME of this mix over your cork, and stir well. The right amount will leave all the baits well coated, without a great big puddle. Set this aside while you make your paste (this gives time for the egg to partially soak into the cork). Remember for 16mm baits you will need 12mm corks, for 14mm baits 10mm corks.

Paste preparation
THE MOST IMPORTANT BIT of the whole process so take your time and get it spot on. This volume of egg will give you about 150 – 250 baits depending on the mix and the level of liquid flavours included.
Break two eggs (whole) into a bowl. Add the white that you saved from the corkball prep, or crack another egg and carefully only add the white. You now have an egg mix that is naturally “heavy” in albumin. You can go even further and use 50% whole egg and 50% white, this will give a really hard bait but they will be a little more prone to cracking.
Add your flavours to the egg. As a general rule
- To match your free baits, use normal levels plus a half (so if it is 1ml per egg, use 1.5ml)
- For extra strong hookbaits, use 3 to 5 times the recommended level (works well with fruitier flavours in particular)

Now add a LITTLE bit of oil (with the exception of B5 or a bait that is naturally oily, in which case use no oil at all). A teaspoon full (5ml) is plenty. For fishmeals use either salmon oil, or sunflower oil. For nut use sunflower, rapeseed, sesame. Mix well with a fork.

Add your basemix to the egg mix, slowly, until it is sloppy. Now leave it, for at least 10 minutes, to absorb. Go back to it, and continue adding mix until it is sticky, but you can form it into a ball. Wrap in clingfilm and leave for another 10 minutes. I can’t stress enough that you must leave it to absorb, if you don’t it will be absorbing liquids while you are working with it and drying too quickly. A good paste will be nice and soft, but not overly sticky, certainly a little softer than if you were rolling "standard" paste.

Go back to your corkballs, give them a stir. They will have darkened a bit and absorbed a bit of egg, if you need to add a bit more of the egg mix to them to really coat them, then do it.

Get yourself organised, you will need a lightly oiled try to put the rolled baits onto prior to boiling, a normal tea try is fine, just give it a wipe with a cloth with some sunflower oil on it, this will stop the baits sticking to it. Also get a small pot of sunflower oil, this will be used to lightly coat your finger tips and helps stop the paste from wanting to stick to you and not the corkball! Get your boiling pot on the go.

For a 16mm bait, you want to “nip” a bit of paste off the ball of paste you have made, that is almost exactly the same size when rolled round as the 12mm corkball itself. The easiest way to do that, is to break a piece of paste off, roll it into a sausage that’s about 12mm in diameter, then chop it with a sharp knife into little pieces. Roll one of the pieces up – if it’s the same size as the cork you’re laughing. Work in small batches, keeping the rest of the paste clingfilmed until needed. Take one of the pieces of paste, push your cork (soaked in egg) into it, then carefully pull the paste round it, trying to get a nice even coating of paste all the way round. If you find the paste is sticking to you as you are doing this, and pulling off the cork, start again with a new bit but oil your fingers lightly first.

You will find that the egg on the cork does two things…firstly and most importantly it allows you to slide the paste nicely over the cork without it leaving the cork and letting air in. Secondly it sticks the paste to the cork nicely. The hardest bit is the closure, i.e. when the paste is almost all the way round and you need to join it up to seal the whole lot. Be careful to squeeze any air that you have trapped out at this stage, ideally as you close up you will see the liquid egg off the corkball be pushed out of the gap, that is perfect if you can do it. Now you have 2 choices, either roll the corkball by hand, between your palms, until it is round then carefully put it on the tray for boiling, or roughly form it into a ball, and then finish it on a rolling table before boiling – that is better by far.

When you have enough baits, drop them into boiling water for 60 seconds, stirring constantly to keep them moving – if you don’t do that they will not cook evenly at all. Don’t be too disheartened if some of them distort a little when boiling, as long as they don’t really “blow up” you’ll be fine….if they do “blow up” (you will notice a huge bulge appear in the paste) your technique is wrong and you have trapped some air between paste and cork when you are making them.
GJAdams1977
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GJAdams1977
   Old Thread  #5 18 Dec 2020 at 5.38pm  0  Login    Register
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The original post that is no longer on the forum was something like

Soak the balls in egg white for 12 hrs so they are damp then give them a dusting of egg powder so it sticks to the outside of them, then wrap the paste around them.
capt_swearword
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   Old Thread  #4 18 Dec 2020 at 4.10pm  0  Login    Register
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Cork dust can be hit and miss depends on quality of cork. Definitely soak cork balls for a couple of hours in egg yolk. Use egg white for the mix, hardens better. You want to finish with a layer of only a couple of mil.
scaley&dark
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   Old Thread  #3 18 Dec 2020 at 2.17pm  0  Login    Register
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Take your time, make meticulous notes. Be consistant.
Give your hookbaits plenty of TLC, and keep boiling times to a minimum. Personally I only boil for 30 seconds.

Test one of the finished baits, on your regular rig of choice tied up with the same size hook, swivel, components. in a clear large glass or measuring jug with water. Make sure they are up to the job, and don't keel over. leave overnight or 1-2 days.

ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #2 18 Dec 2020 at 1.57pm  0  Login    Register
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There was a good guide to making them on here before the author threw his toys out of his pram and removed it. Don't bother with dust, use balls. More of a faff but make way better popups. Sieve your standard mix, make as usual, soak your cork balls in egg (yolk iirc), then wrap the cork balls keeping the layer of mix fairly thin, simmer, dry, job done
HG_CARPING
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HG_CARPING
   Old Thread  #1 18 Dec 2020 at 1.45pm  0  Login    Register
HI everyone,
I have been rolling my own bait for a while now and I have started using hinge stiff/chod rigs in my fishing a lot more and feel the need to make a change to cork dust/corkball pop ups. Can anyone get me thinking along the right lines of what I need in the mix? I am unsure on whether a 50/50 mix will be alright since its only a hook bait and not going to be digested by the fish and then the attractors would be just in the liquids and attractor powders.
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