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In reply to Post #42
Moved to Other Species as I don't think the area was around when this post was originally created
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In reply to Post #37
As a regular Piker for years I only fish during the Pike season 1st October to 15th March for me that's the official season and my clubs. But I do see those that fish in the summer months! . And I agree that there are plenty of planks out there who haven't a clue as to fish safely/correctly. It makes my blood boil when I've come across a dead pike with the remains of a rusty trace in its guts, because example an idiot is on his mobile or wandering the bank instead of watching his rods. 
My club has both carpers and pikers If I see the bivvies up along a stretch of bank I will head off further. And thanks to two carpers last pike season I had help with my PB after slipping down a very wet muddy bank.  Oh and finally I have watched spodding taking place hourly. 
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In reply to Post #37
And using blooming great single hooks on lures.
I have seen a very dead pike that hit a lure hard, with the hook coming out of the top of the skull.
I know it sounds crazy, but size 2 or 4 trebles are actually safer for the fish than size 1/0 or bigger (!) singles, on lures or deadbait rigs.
I was actually pike fishing in the winter before I got into carp fishing, so learnt as a teenager how to handle them properly. If anything I end up with my blood on my hands from raker rash when I unhook them.
Bite indication and hitting runs early is knowledge that has improved since the 1980's, as has using an uptrace.
The few 20lb pike I have caught mean far more to me than any 20lb or even 30lb carp.
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In reply to Post #39
 
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In reply to Post #31
Only just seen this 
Can’t deny it, magnificent creatures and a 30 plus is very special indeed these days, biggest I’ve seen on the bank was 24lber a mate had, it was thin as well, amazing creature
Emphasis on creature!
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In reply to Post #37
What’s annoying as more of a predator angler than a carper is the number of carpers who fish for pike in the winter and haven’t got a clue what they are doing and how to handle them properly.
Th sole reason I do t fish for them, one I’m not too keen on them with the teeth and all 
Two, never really bothered with them so don’t know how to handle them properly and I would be more concerned about doing them some damage.
Over the years like you mention I have seen a lot of clowns fishing for them who have not got a ****ing clue, pulling their internals out and pushing them back in cause they can etc. I have found a lot of dead pike over the years whilst walking waters looking for fish or having a nosy and it’s predominantly after pike fishing has started 
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What’s annoying as more of a predator angler than a carper is the number of carpers who fish for pike in the winter and haven’t got a clue what they are doing and how to handle them properly.
The modern instant carper brigade turn into the instant piker which leads to deep hooking or the new fashion been the lure angler who haven’t got a clue how to take trebles out with forceps
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In reply to Post #35
Very positive viewpoint, I commend you for that. I guess much like a big pit I am fishing this year for carp, where they have sailing on it at weekends - always seems to fish better on or shortly after the boats have been out.
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Can't say for sure but my chosen two waters have seen a large influx of Pike anglers and I feel they have kept the Carp moving with their constant casting and for me if they are using up energy having to move then it must be replaced at some point even if they maybe a little skittish from the casting etc.
Personally I'd rather see a Pike angler in a swim I've been working on than another carper.
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In reply to Post #26
What do you expect when someone posts such stupid comments on a public forum? Tongue in cheek or not. No one is getting their kickers in a twist; just this perfectly demonstrates the poor attitude of some (not all) carp anglers you meet on the bank.
Like most are saying, sadly (and it is sad) you come across far more idiots carp fishing than you will after any other species, but then more people fish for carp than any other species I suppose. Just walk round most club waters and it doesn't take long to spot them... the only thing worse, is when THEY start pike fishing  Nothing kills good pike fishing better than a bunch of carp anglers fishing dead baits.
I can recall covering this in an article I wrote for Pike and Predators magazine - where I'd been subjected to a load of abuse whilst fishing a certain Essex reservoir for pike, even though I spent almost all my time fishing over 200 yards from the bank where the idiots were bivved up. A number of people, after reading it, contacted me to say they'd experienced similar situations, just because they weren't carp fishing. Like many will say, it just gives carp anglers a bad name 
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In reply to Post #32
Instant carpers ignorant , thats people in general these days selfish ****ers
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Since the late 60's, the only time a pike angler has "Pi***d" me off was I was once fishing in a secluded peg and whilst I was watching my rods, a plug suddenly appeared from my right and went right over my three lines, dropped in the water about a yard passed my rods and then began to be retrieved and then snagged all my three lines.
But, as for carp anglers, it can be virtually every trip and it seems to be getting worse.
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In reply to Post #29
Oi ! Dont you piss me off aswell ! I know where you live !😉
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #29
Wouldn’t go that far, they’re amazing creatures. More kings of the pond than some overweight **** filter 
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In reply to Post #23
Go on Jon, just admit it. Pike anglers are weirdos, I mean why would you do that 
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In reply to Post #1
It's always the same swims on my pond being stitched up by the same people week in week out. I've just been doing my own thing, slotting into the corners, dropping in abit of maize on fizzers, having a few then going home. Had a couple of occasions this autumn where i've spooked fish whilst chucking lures about in these quiet corners.
Makes me laugh, a massive chunk of the anglers I see just don't learn. Even when told outright by a Piker where the fizzers/showers are, they neglect the best spots because they can't fit their Rudgeminky house in the swim. Not that i'm complaining, have caught a good amount this year dodging other anglers and their social swims.
As for the increase in Pikers, I'm all for it, but it's not something you should go half arsed with, using mono with cheap chinese traces, and flimsy polyp forceps. If you've never been, or haven't been in years, take someone with you who actually does this for six months of the year.
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In reply to Post #23
It’s alright, cos every other type of fisherman thinks Carp anglers are absolute bell ends. Turn up, fish a swim for a week, lines all over the lake, spend most of the time asleep or pissed.
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🤣🤣🤣 Christ! This forum all got a bit serious lately, must be the stress of full time carping whilst on furlough! It doesn’t take much for everyone to get their knickers in a twist does it?!
Be obviously touched a nerve with a few on here eh (Mark)
Chill out people for f**ks sake and don’t be so sensitive! 👸
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In reply to Post #22
Always called um pickles...nasty bitey pickles 👍
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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Just another one to add to the list of those carp fisherman dislike..
Beginners
Pleasure anglers
Anybody who dares to socialise
Pike anglers
Even each other ffs
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A 30lb pickle would take some eating that’s for sure 😂😂
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In reply to Post #19
Rare as rocking.horse poo a 30lb pike. Had a 20lb+ a few seasons ago on a stiff hinge rig. Massive thing. God knows what a 30lb pickle is like.
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In reply to Post #19
carp pretty much grow on trees these days and its all become very boring.
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In reply to Post #18
And a 30lb pike is worth 10 of a 50lb+ carp
Couldn’t agree more in this day and age
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In reply to Post #1
Taking up swims ???
isn't that what any angler fishing for any species does? Fish a swim?
You'll find that pike anglers rarely fish nights, and certainly don't fish night for long periods of time with TVS and a slab of stella.
Comments that you have made are nothing short of embarrassing for anglers as a whole NOT some dumb arsed carp angler
And a 30lb pike is worth 10 of a 50lb+ carp
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In reply to Post #16
Hmmm...didn't read like that to me. We all know that it's a bit of generalisation and irrespective of what people fish for, an idiot is an idiot, no matter what species they target. Just winds me up when I see comments like that and on the bank, my God, the way some carp anglers react to a pike angler on 'their' water has to be seen to be believed. I can recall lure fishing a day ticket gravel pit in May this year and I was making sure I gave all the bivvies a wide berth, yet still I got threated and called names by a couple of the carp 'anglers'. If I'd been chucking a spod around no one would have said a word. Funnily enough, the next week I was carp fishing the same water and had one of the idiots who yelled at me, happily chatting away to me, whilst his rods were about 70 yards up the bank - he was completely oblivious to the fact that I was the same person he was threating the week before... what does that tell you about this 'angler'... I rest my case.
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In reply to Post #15
Come on Mark, cut the guy some slack. He was just having a laugh.
I've met some proper tools on carp syndicates. The only ones I've found sensible anglers are the large, low stocked waters where the stamp of angler is so much greater.
There's a load of pike anglers on my place, decent bunch of lads all in all. I'm out this weekend casting out shinny things with treble hooks 👍
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In reply to Post #1
Well I am carp angler and I am a pike angler... YOUR post reminds me why I don't like a lot of carp anglers - taking up the swims eh? Oh dear, what a shame. I can easily flip that around - when I turn up at first light on a water to find a dozen bivvies in the best pike swims... smashing deadbaits around every hour - yep, we do that as you often pick fish up shortly after casting... casting lures from every available swim - yep I do that, it is called lure fishing... YOUR problem is you have zero respect for anyone who isn't fishing for carp - we have every right to be on the water as anyone else. What makes me laugh is, these kind of comments nearly always come from carp anglers who are frankly noddies - funny also that the least grief I get pike fishing on waters also being carp fished, are on syndicate waters - where you just seem to meet a better stamp of angler. Go to any club or day ticket water and the noddy carp anglers think they own the place, well YOU don't.
Sorry guys for the rant, but the door swings both ways - sure you'll get idiot pike anglers, but I come across far more idiot carp anglers...
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I fish for all species be it carp, pike, chub, perch, tench and pick the species depending on conditions. Especially in the winter.
As an example yesterday I had intended to go pike fishing on the river but as the water was pushing through took chub gear instead.
Having said that probably spend 60% of my time carp fishing just not when pressure is through the roof and freezing cold.
I think what I am trying to say is that it is the person that can be a pain with no etiquette and not the type of angling they are doing
There is no etiquette displayed by people in all forms of angling (carp being one of the worst in my experience) and unfortunately in life in general
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There’s more instant carpers than there are instant pikers. Only difference is it’s even worse for the fish when you’ve got an instant piker that can’t fish for/handle the fish safely.
It’s nothing to do with etiquette, if they’re not casting over your lines or over your spots. It’s good angling being a roving pike angler if you’re not getting bites. Depending on the venue and time of year/conditions, if the pike are in front of you, you often get the bites fairly quickly. They’re not like carp that often group up in large shoals, they’re often completely solitary until it gets a bit closer to spawning. Sometimes they can be fairly localised but spread out in certain areas when there’s a food source nearby.
If you’re a pike angler that sits in one spot all day with absolutely no signs of anything then you’re doing it wrong. Location is key as with any angling so moving around and covering as much water as possible (without affecting others) is part and parcel.
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I just read the posts in this thread with amusement - I sometimes fish a local 16 acres club water that’s got a very match orientated committee (Always has been) but it does have a good head of Carp and Pike in too, fishing it is one hell of a eye opener, as the other three waters I fish are private zero public access waters.
Was on a few weeks back when the nights started closing late October, was finishing my flask of coffee off just about to tackle down (Night fishing is banned thanks to the antics of a few selfish Carp Anglers a few years back) Hears noise to my right, a guy comes walking towards my swim, could not see me tucked away back from the waters edge – frightened the hell out of him when I spoke “ Did not know anyone was on , do you mind if I put a few Boilies under the bushes on each side of you?” (Pre-baiting is banned thanks to the antics of a few selfish Carp Anglers a few years back) My reply after I’d stopped laughing “No problem, I’m tackling down in a minute, you have made my day – someone they hate more than me – A Carp Angler!”
Few weeks later I broke my cardinal rule- Don’t go fishing none private waters at the weekend! But the River was in serious flood, so I went on the same Club water Piking 1pm ish, was around 16 on from what I could see , but nobody was in 5 swims in a row – so went in the middle one. Could see a Pike Bung out a couple of swims to my right and a typical modern day “Chav Piker” dressing his green quilted Salopets, spotted another guy dressed identical on the opposite bank (Turned out to be his mate)
Got set up and both Rods out, without anyone seeing or hearing me and dropped a small Jack almost instantly. Noticed a guy walking around the lake just dressed in just a green shirt taking to everyone (It was bloody freezing!) It was the bailiff. Half an hour later all hell kicked off in the swim to my right with the chav in it “You types give Pike angling a bad name, your f-----in banned, want to sort it out right here now” etc...................... this went on for 10-15mins. The bailiff then walked right past my swim and did not even notice I was there, or even see my Rods, so only found out a few days later off another member what had gone on – he had been caught using three rods in plain sight and when told to bring it in and get off the water had come out with the statement “But I’m an experienced Pike Anger and can handle three Rods with ease” to the bailiff!
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In reply to Post #1
Surely the worst bit is when when of them hooks into a 20lb plus carp that either decided to pick up their dead bait or got foul hooked by their lure.
Thinking about it even that's got a silver lining as you now know where that fish was holding up!
I've always found the pike anglers to be friendly and polite and will always respect your area when you ask them to, even though they sometimes think we're mad sitting there staring out over the water and seemingly doing nothing to earn our fish.
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In reply to Post #1
Tongue in cheek reply,
Quite clearly you have absolutely no idea, the answers staring you in the face and it's......because IT'S CARPY
I bet some profile angler has said how they're targeting Pike for a change (poor Pike :-( )
Was it last year or the year before when it was Grayling?
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In reply to Post #7
Hi Nick. I state that it’s a tongue-in-cheek post as I was a pike angler before I was a carp angler. Quite a successful one too, I caught a 21lb lake record when I was 12! The majority of pike anglers I see today aren’t a patch on pike anglers from 20 or 30 years ago. Nowadays there seems no logic or location used in their angling, it’s just settle down in a random swim and launch a dead bait on a sliding float as far as they can (usually 30 yards), when most of the pike are probably sitting off the marginal shelf under their tips! Saying that, you can say the same about many modern carp anglers.
I’m just getting old and having a rant, don’t be offended!
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In reply to Post #1
Nick has got it spot on in post 7
But I'll add my take on it
You'll probably find the pike anglers have always been there it's now that the winter's arnt as severe carpers are fishing more the winter months, if I go back 20 or even 30 year's the lakes I'm on the carp lads vanished late October early November not to be seen again till spring, then some of them think they own the place on there return ,as both a carp and pike angler I've found the bad manners usually from the carp lads who fight over certain swims and bunch together in certain areas whereas pike anglers prefer to be out of the way more.
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In reply to Post #1
May be a tongue in cheek post, but be careful, I'm one of them pike anglers...
To be honest, I think its carp anglers who are the idiots. Turn up, cast in, fall asleep, don't work for your fish, go home after 18hours sleep wondering why the carp didn't feed that day.
Pike angler, turns up, cast his baits in, doesn't catch, so in an attempt to get a result, a fish, gets his lure rod out and walks round chucking his spinner or plug in likely looking spots. That is pike fishing etiquette, because they are trying to provoke a take around the bank, they have no need for trying hide hide behind cover on the banks.
This year has seen a number of anglers return to fishing, as well as new anglers starting, there are more on the banks, from carp muppets, to perch and pike anglers.
Normally in June/July I see one or two anglers stalking chub out of the local river, this year there were loads of youngsters in the area I fish, and good luck to them, even if it did make my surface fishing harder.
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In reply to Post #1
Here’s a story from the pike angler’s view. This was early 90’s and I was a teenager.
It’s February on a cold misty day in the Darent Valley. Nothing is happening on the dead baits that I have straight out in front at about 30 x 40 yards. A “known” carp angler asks if he can drop into the swim.
I imagine him lying a couple of rods on the floor and setting up a bivvy ready for when I leave. Not a chance. Mallet Out, smashing in pegs and banksticks then casts straight out almost over my lines before inviting his mates into my swim for a tea.
I ended up dropping deadbaits in the margins to keep out of his way ... and had a double figure pike whilst he asked me when I was leaving.
So maybe carp anglers aren’t always the angels we see ourselves as being! Mind you, they were good days and I got to have tea with half the Mental Squad that day 
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We have 1 pike angler on our Syndicate. Top bloke and banter is always good. It’s not the angler but the human being if they don’t possess etiquette or consideration. Fortunately that does apply to him. Live and let live. Carp have been caught over his spots after he has dead baited. It’s not all bad.
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In reply to Post #2
Hi mate. My post was a little “tongue in cheek”, and as I said, I am massively generalising.
I did have a chat with me if the pike fishermen and he was as nice as pie, just a little clueless on angling etiquette.
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In reply to Post #1
Thanks for the post, really made me laugh 😂
Reminds me of watching some blokes during the summer frothing up the water from the other bank. I did let out an audible laugh when one of them got tethered to an island. Stopped his shenanigans quick sharp.
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In reply to Post #1
Hi Steve.. Speaking as a part time Piking Nobber.. I do agree with you regarding the apparent increase in numbers ( angling in general has seen a HUGE increase in numbers because of time avail) and the lack of etiquette.However not all of us are bad, (there's plenty on here dabble in the colder months when the carp arnt so obliging) i expect they have paid their money same as you, so have as much right to fish as you. Perhaps instead of slating them because they have the audacity to fish the same venue,you could have a quiet word and explain you have a bait in the area..im sure an apology would be forthcoming..you might even find it interesting 
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Has anyone else noticed the abundance of pike fishermen this winter?
I don’t wish to generalise, but they are proving to be an absolute pain in the ar5e on my chosen winter waters. They have a habit of taking up the swims that tend to have winter carp form, and ignore the obvious pikey spots. They’ll smash deadbaits around all over the place about every hour, and then when they get bored, they walk around the entire lake whacking out massive lures from every available swim, and then retrieving them at about 50mph! A couple of the lakes I fish are only a few acres and these doughnuts have no conception of etiquette or stealth and will kill any activity on a whole lake within an hour!
It wouldn’t be so bad, but I’m yet to see one of these nobbers catch anything. I seem to catch more pike when reeling in a bright pop up!
I’ve now decided to avoid any waters that contain a head of pike for the rest of the winter. I can’t remember it being this bad before. What is going on?!
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