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You can carry this on in the non-carp section. 
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In reply to Post #304
I completely agree though that younger adults should refuse the vaccine, refuse to get tested and take their chances. Any form of vaccination passport would of course be a violation of their human rights.
This will free up loads of spaces at foreign fisheries for other anglers when the EU bring in a requirement for either a clear Covid test or proof of vaccination.
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In reply to Post #306
Okay.
How would you have handled the Covid pandemic?
I get it that you would not have had a lockdown so what was the plan when the hospital's were overwhelmed with Covid victims?
How would you have protected healthcare workers treating covid patients?
What would you have said to the families of the estimated 500,000 + covid dead? Many of which could have been avoided with a lockdown.
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In reply to Post #305
I agree.
I wouldn't have locked down anything.
But I think most young people would have taken their "chances" and not bothered either.
However, now we have gone down that rabbit hole it must follow that the "vulnerable" who have been vaccinated must wait until the younger generation are vaccinated before they can enjoy the perceived "freedom" and "safe feeling" until everyone can do the same.
That's my point.
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In reply to Post #300
A few years ago, there was this big war, and lots of young men went to fight and never came home. Nowadays, we have a generation of pampered little brats with mobile phones, playstations, cars etc. that have everything they want. Such a shame that these poor babies havent been able to go to the pub or on a lads holiday. We are in the middle of a pandemic where people are dying so maybe these little darlings need to wait a little longer for a beer or a trip to Ayia Napa.
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In reply to Post #303
The government has offered to give everyone their FIRST vaccination by end if July.
It therefore will not be until October until everyone has had their second Jab and is fully vaccinated.
Also that assumes no delays or problems and ignores the fact that there is a further 14 day period after Jab 2 before you are deemed fully vaccinated.
So at the earliest it is late autumn until we see all "equal".
Anybody who refuses is obviously decided the matter for themselves.
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In reply to Post #300
Hi
I'm sure that with your law qualification you understand that the government are working to offer every adult a vaccination by july. So it'll be equality for all.
I'm sure you'll also understand that if you decline a vaccine that this will be your choice and you understand that there will be consequences from your choice of actions that may inconvenience yourself
It's highly likely that Spain/EU will want you to prove your vaccinated or virus free and this will be mandatory and you won't have a choice......
Welcome to the new world of living with Covid.
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In reply to Post #301
Correct. Less than 400 people below the age of 60 with no pre existing medical conditions have died of covid since last march in the UK.
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In reply to Post #299
Deaths registered in 2018 2019 2220 have hardly deviated give or take 10k it usually hovers around 530-540k ish it's all to see if you know where to look and sky and bbc news at 10 is the worst place to see what's going on ,not just covid ....scamdemic was mentioned earlier ,I fully agree ,go look up the average age of a covid death in U.K. and also go look up the average U.K. life expectancy ....after you have done that pull the shutters down on your buisness and watch your house get repo'd ....was it /is it worth it ......this country of mine has gone soft as **** and most folk just lap it up ....world gone mad ,yes it has and my piss is at a constant boil with the weak and the woke ...did I mention I've lost 2 trips to France so far this year fpmsl
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In reply to Post #299
Nope...
I have a law qualification and trained in understanding fairness as a concept.
That's the problem with the concept of fairness. Most people onlynly ever view "fairness" from the individuals perspective.
Most find it impossible to view a problem inpartially without the input of their own bias and viewpoint.
Now imagine your 24...
You couldn't go anywhere last year because the whole country was in lockdown, mainly to protect the vulnerable from a virus, which to you wasn't likely to cause you (as a 24 year old) much harm. So that wasn't reallfair on you the 24 year old.
Now the vulnerable have all been vaccinated and they want to go down the pub and on holiday to Spain, but in order to allow them to feel safe everyone else on the plane or in the pub needs to be vaccinated. So on order for those people to feel safe, because you (as a 24 year old) haven't been vaccinated you still can't go to the pub or to Spain.
So in summary you couldn't go last year when it was safe for you but wasn't for others and you can't go this year, because the others want to feel safe, why they do the things you can't do to allow them to feel safe.
It's just not fair. Simple as that. But most people can't look at it from any viewpoint other than there own.
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In reply to Post #298
You're a leftie yeh?
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In reply to Post #290
Daily deaths have been dropping like a stone. The vulnerable have been jabbed.
Along with Israel we have probably the finest vaccination program on the planet. Israel is back to normal, yet we have the 2nd most restrictive lockdown policy on planet earth.
People are still in fear for absolute no reason whatsoever. You either get the jab and get on with your life, or don't get the jab and hide behind the sofa. Why get the jab if you still live in abject fear of a virus which is statistically more likely to kill the old and clinically vulnerable, the two groups of whom are already vaccinated? We all said things would get back to normal after the jab, right? or was this another empty "flatten the curve" narrative.
Not a poke at anyone in particular, but If you advocate the requirement for a tier 6 visa just to buy a tomato juice in your local ****ty gastro pub then more fool you and the landlord. British Businesses will silently bury themselves and their employees through the abject fear of going against the grain.
I truly believe this country will happily tolerate another lockdown in the autumn and another furlough scheme because of an obscure variant found in some Namibian village. Free money, and all the entertainment they can muster is sitting in the palm of their hand. Anyone that goes against it via the means of protest will be accused of killing our Grandparents. Kids will be accused of being super spreaders, and we'll be getting fined again for sitting on park benches.
Mugs, the lot of us.
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In reply to Post #288
I agree with you but.....
In the interests of fairness, in order for you to feel safe it must follow that EVERYONE else in the pub / in the cinema/ on the plane/ ferry/eurostar (delete as appropriate) has had the opportunity to feel safe and allow you and them to feel safe.
It's no good allowing you to do those things so you can feel safe when other parts of the population haven't had that opportunity to "feel safe" ie have the vaccination.
If not what you are doing is asking others to give up their freedom so you can enjoy yours, because you have the advantage of feeling safe by dint of your vaccination status
Which is why until everyone has had the opportunity to take the vaccination, in the interest of fairness we must All follow the same set of restrictions, the vaccinated and un vaccinated.
Which is why nobody is going anywhere until October at the earliest!
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In reply to Post #294
So you are saying that Covid was produced as part of a George Orwell type of world yeh?
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In reply to Post #293
Think i need to know what drugs these people are on so i can give up mine and live in a fluffy puffy world.
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In reply to Post #290
You need to give your head a wobble mate , wake up and smell the coffee
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In reply to Post #289
Fivenil and Andy why waste your time answering stupid comments, reasonable people know what is occurring and it isn't pleasant, 126,000 people in this country aren't able to contribute to this thread tonight!!
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In reply to Post #287
WTF - They walk amongst us.
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In reply to Post #290
Apparently they havent died, they have been controlled.
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In reply to Post #287
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
So that's 455,000 people have gone to hospital for Covid.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
And so far 126,515 deaths from Covid 19 and counting.
When will you accept that this is not scaremongering?? 
  
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In reply to Post #286
So basically, you are saying that the Virus was created to control people?
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In reply to Post #284
Really?
When I go to the pub I'd like to feel safe. If everyone in the pub has either had a vaccine or had a negative test recently then I'd feel as safe as I can be.
Same for when I go to the football, the cinema, to a concert or festival,
IF you want to go abroad fishing you'll probably need something to prove your either protected or not Covid positive... It's no real hardship. This will be the new normal  I have a jab booked for tomorrow morning. Hopeful Gigantica will be seeing me by the end of the year...
There's nowt to be afraid of... 
Obviously the threat from Virus mutations could knock any feeling of safety but fingers crossed it won't mutate and kill all of humanity....
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In reply to Post #286
Spot on there mate , scamdemic 👍
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In reply to Post #285
It has..
And still people think its about a pandemic..its about one word,that word is control..
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In reply to Post #284
the worlds gone mad!!!!
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In reply to Post #283
I think your right..
I also feel that Covid is less and less about a virus,and more like a form of Tyranny,with very little to do with health..
People will see this quite soon,our freedoms are disappearing fast.
In fact,its all about control now isn't it..
I'm not afraid to say,I'm scared of what the future will bring,and I don't scare easily..
Vaccine passports,just to go shopping for food or a pint of milk..
Its terrifying really,certainly not what our ancestors fought for..
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In reply to Post #282
For what its worth
I think no one is going abroad fishing for a very long time
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In reply to Post #280
Who knows, first of all they don´t want to follow our vaccination priority list program, then they don't want to use the AZ vaccine, then they complain they can't get enough of it, as much as I still am and was 100% against Brexit, it would have been a complete shambles if we had been shackled by any EU vaccine policies, The EU trump card against us is if they don't get a move on with vaccinating their citizens, it is pretty certain we won't be visiting a lot of European countries this year unless of course our Government wants to take the risk of yet another lockdown. Perish the thought!! 
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In reply to Post #280
You may well be right however I am more than happy to be sorted asap.
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Glad your having your first jab but as the uk’s success is at this moment I would have thought other eu countries would adopt a similar idea, having the second jab some 10/12 weeks later letting as many people have their first jab as possible
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In reply to Post #278
To be honest it has been shambolic to say the least. The 'at risk' groups have been prioritized but things are now gaining a bit of momentum. I have just booked my first jab for3 weeks time with the second one 3 weeks after that which has cheered me up somewhat.
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In reply to Post #277
How are they rolling out the vaccine in France Jim. Is it similar to the UK with 9 priority groups working from 1 down to 9. Hopefully 21 won't be a right off.
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In reply to Post #276
Nice positive outlook !!! It is of course possible that you are wrong and that by late summer travel to France and back will be viable. If mass vaccination is not the solution then I cannot think what will be the way forward so it is comforting to take the view that things will get better once we have all had the jab.
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In reply to Post #274
Follow the facts and road map ,Jesus wept ,I bet you wear your mask when your driving alone as-well....trust me you ain't going nowhere ,and don't get me started on the vaccine passport which will be your passport for freedom ,
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In reply to Post #274
The "Road Map" is not facts. Its an ambition.
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In reply to Post #273
No I don't know what Boris will decide but neither do you. Better to follow the facts, in this case the road map out of lockdown, and see where it takes us.
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In reply to Post #272
You need to stop kidding yourself if you think France is on the cards this year,I've lost an April trip and a June trip ,tbh I feel a dickhead for even booking the trips in the first place
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In reply to Post #271
The debate on Thursday to introduce a £5000 fine for inappropriate travel does not alter or extend the road map dates already set out.
12 April and 17 May key dates remain in place. There is no current position to ban travel until 30th June.
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In reply to Post #270
Which part isn't true? Your link seems to agree with everything he said?
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In reply to Post #262
Not quite true.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-when-will-britons-be-able-to-book-a-foreign-holiday-here-are-the-key-dates-to-watch-12254503
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It also isn’t fair on most of the population when people protest without wearing masks so they are not helping the situation either.
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In reply to Post #258
I don't care! 
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In reply to Post #263
But neither does stopping everyone travelling fly well politically if they are fully vaccinated. Don't forget older voters are more likely to vote ****servative. And tories are quite clued up on demographics...
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In reply to Post #265
The road map for European travel will lay out certain infections levels and levels of different mutations as a basis for allowing travel across the borders .
The requirements for travel will be vaccinations or lateral flow tests for the younger age groups.
July is a long way off, the EU ‘should’ be down to much lower levels by then so the biggest risk is possibly levels of infection here as the 3rd wave arrives. (Over 60% of lorry drivers arent tested coming in!) Hopefully out vaccination program will keep it at low levels.
Unfortunately we are in a cycle now where populations are too high for vaccination roll out pace to keep up with virus spread in a free moving society so expect increases as the temperature drops this autumn. The government knows this and they know they can’t support the travel industry forever so I expect they will do everything they can to open up borders in July.
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In reply to Post #264
but the younger ones have alot more time to play catch up i guess and that was the point i was trying to make.
agree re the rest of it, education, taxes blah blah, but purely on a "time" limit, the older generation have less (in general)
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In reply to Post #261
Not so sure.
The under 30s have lost the most in this pandemic.
If they were at university (like my son) they list the experience but still have to pay full wack.
They have been saddled with massive debt, and their job prospects have been severely damaged.
They face a higher tax muchess affluent future.
All for a virus that to THEM was not particularly harmful.
If you effectively make all under 50s second class citizens for ttavel they will kick off
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In reply to Post #260
Precisely.
It's not about whether it's right wrong or other, it's about overall public opinion.
Letting half the population go abroad while the other half can't does not fly politically.
People don't forget that kind of thing at the ballot box!
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In reply to Post #249
New law being debated ( and will be agreed) on Thurs that will ban travelling abroad until at least 30th June. It will also introduce a £5,000 fine if you travel unless for essential reasons. So no foreign fishing trips until at least 1st July.
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In reply to Post #260
maybe not, but if the younger ones actually sat down and thought about it, then i'd like to think they'd understand a bit better. lets face it, we will get on holiday soon enough.
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In reply to Post #259
I dont disagree with you, but i dont think it would go down well with the younger generation
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In reply to Post #258
think the pensioners deserve it, they have less time than the younger generation
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In reply to Post #253
Im not having a pop at you because i don't know your age, but we have just shut down the country for the best part of a year to protect the elderly. How do you think the under 30s would feel to see a load on pensioners swanning off to spain whilst they are still stuck here?
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In reply to Post #256
aside whether we are able to actually go to France this summer, who will actually be willing to do the 124 day isolation in a hotel at your own cost on return?
I believe, but not sure thats the rule in place?
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In reply to Post #253
You think that because you are in the cohort that could travel.
If you were in the other half your view would be different.
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In reply to Post #252
NHS records.
Don't you remember giving your NHS number?
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In reply to Post #251
If something is clearly unfair and potentially politically damaging then it won't be introduced until any potential unfairness is removed.
Remember politics is a popularity contest
Very true, you miss out the multiplier though x £ x $ x €
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In reply to Post #251
Again, agree with most of what you say. I still think it would be more unpopular to stop everyone travelling than some travelling.
Guess bawjaws will be umming and aahing once more.
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These vaccine passports if they happen how are they going to be implemented ?
I had my jab yesterday and they gave me a card to take back when I get my second jab well these cards can very easily be copied/faked and I’m sure there are some out there now.
So if it’s based on showing a card then it’s flawed it needs to be digital so when we gave our details before the jab let’s hope they use this data instead,not 100% but better
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In reply to Post #250
You have to remember it's political.
If something is clearly unfair and potentially politically damaging then it won't be introduced until any potential unfairness is removed.
So if older people could in theory get a vaccination passport, when younger people haven't been offered the vaccination, then it wont happen. Too potentially politically damaging. Remember politics is a popularity contest.
The refusenicks are on their own. They won't stop us all travelling if they have chosen not to get vaccination and therfore deny themselves the ability of obtaining a vaccine passport, so they can be ignored in any factoring in of perceived fairness, but until younger people have been given the opportunity to be vaccinated vaccine passports won't be available and none of us are going anywhere! Unless the vaccination is made available on a pay basis (thus allowing an individual to effectively jump the queue and buy their way into a vaccination passport) which the UK government have said will not happen Mark my words.
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In reply to Post #246
While I agree with a lot of what you're saying, there is always going to be a 2 tier system as a lot of people will refuse to be vaccinated. Hence vaccination passports.
Seems a bit selfish, but if you can provide proof you are fully vaccinated, I don't agree people shouldn't be allowed to travel if you have a vaccination passport. Life sometimes isn't fair- gotta be some benefits of being older!
My suspicion is the government want us to spend our money at home on account of the economy being ****ed and will move the goalposts to suit.....
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In reply to Post #247
I seriously doubt that you will be going fishing in France in June, or indeed July, August or September!
Ihope I am wrong but a reoccurring feature of this "pandemic" has been over optimistic views and planning.
There is no way UK government is going to open our borders fully until the vaccination program has been fully rolled out.
At best that is October.
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In reply to Post #247
Read what is said.
In my view travel restrictions will stay in place until every adult in the UK has been OFFERED the vaccination.
If an indi8chooses not to take that offer up that's their perogative. But they won't get a vaccination passport.
The minority that can not have the vaccine for medical reasons will be issued an exception certificate, which some countries will accept, others may not.
Your work colleague and people like him won't stop the restrictions being lifted, but until every adult has been offered both doses and hence the opportunity to obtain the vaccination passport foreign travelrestrictions will remain in my view. .
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I’m working with a guy who’s had Covid BUT he flatly refuses to have the jab,been listening to too much fake news about wharr ye s in it.
It’s his right not to take it and I agree but does that mean we can’t go on a foreign holiday due to a few minority who refuse the jab ???
It’s not going to happen,but these people will I assume have one if the government bring in a vaccine passport.
I had my first jab yesterday and the second in June I’m due to go to a lake at the end of June ???? Possibly won’t happen but if most lockdowns usually last 12 weeks so it seems then maybe just maybe France might open up 🤞🤞🤞
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In reply to Post #244
Despite what is being said by UK government , the harsh reality is that vaccination passports will become a reality worldwide to allow travel to open up.
The "problem" in the UK (unlike say the USA) is that you can not buy your Covid vaccine, unlike you can for say yellow fever. With the Covid you are just going to have to wait your turn in the queue.
Now that's where the political problems arise. I had my first does last week and my second is scheduled for early June. So by late June I will be fully vaccinated. I could in theory get my vaccine passport (if it were available) then and be good to go.
However that creates a 2 tier travel system that allows us oldies to travel and the younger ones not to. It's unfair, simple as that, and politically a non starter.
So I forecast travel restrictions will stay in place until every adult in UK has been offered both vaccination doses, plus 3 weeks, That's likely to be around the end of October at the earliest. Coincidence that the vote on extension to Covid restriction legislation this Thursday in Parliament seeks to extend the legislation until end of October? I doubt it.
I am hopeful that life in the UK will largely go back to "normal" in June. But foreign holiday restrictions will stay in place much longer (see above).
Holidays abroad are not happening this year at all in my view.
I feel for the likes of old fella, he's spent years creating a great business, that's customer focused, and has had 2 years of income almost wiped out. Add to that the cost of keeping his fish fed and other overheads, together with the prospect of 2022 being largely occupied with rolled forward bookings it's not a great situation.
All we (carp anglers) have lost is our couple of weeks away fishing.
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In reply to Post #244
Granted it isn't as bad as the headlines make out, (now there's a shock....  ) but there is no way they will open the floodgates on 17th May and let millions of Brits come and go as they please in less than 8 weeks time, (17th May) with how things are in Europe at the moment.
I would fully expect them to extend the travel ban until the 21st June date, when all restrictions are supposed to be lifted according to the "road map".....with the 17th May date set as a further review date......if it is still bad in the EU then, (which it will be) and the UK is experiencing any signs of a third spike, (which I can't see) then travel could well be banned until late August.
Just can't see any other outcome as things stand...
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In reply to Post #243
"The questions of whether people will be able to travel abroad this summer are going to be addressed by the Global Travel Taskforce, which is reporting around 12 April," Mr Hancock told Sky News.
"The roadmap sets out the earliest date by which we will allow for international travel - without one of the clear reasons you need now - is 17 May.
"That has not changed. The way we're putting that into law is as part of these roadmap regulations that will be voted on on Thursday.
"They come to an end as a whole at the end of June. But that doesn't change the timings for these questions on international travel."
Not as bad as it's made to sound in the headlines
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I just can’t see any trips happening this year I’m afraid 😔
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In reply to Post #241
Non essential abroad trips going to made illegal from Monday until june 30th earliest
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In reply to Post #240
i cant see many french trips being able to happen this yr, add to the covid, weve got to deal with the travel issues post brexit too
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Another bad year will surely put quite a few lakes out of business. Sad times
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In reply to Post #238
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-scientists-worried-european-infection-rates-will-thwart-summer-foreign-holidays-12251548
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In reply to Post #236
And possibly soon to be the rest of the country as most (lots?!) of Paris once again did a runner out of town to beat the lockdown
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In reply to Post #236
Dr Tildesley told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I think that international travel this summer is, for the average holidaymaker, sadly I think, extremely unlikely.
"I think we are running a real risk if we do start to have lots of people going overseas in July, for instance, and August because of the potential for bringing more of these new variants back into the country.
"What is really dangerous is if we jeopardise our vaccination campaign by having these variants, where the vaccines don't work as effectively, spreading more rapidly."
Dr Tildesley, is a member of the government's Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling, which feeds into Sage.
Plagiarism, but that looks the likely advice, heading into autumn after that and a probable winter spike.
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In reply to Post #235
Parts of France back in lock down as of last night i see
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In reply to Post #234
I think every country in the EU would love to be in the position that the UK is regarding vaccine rollout progress, you can see the effect it is having on hospital admissions and deaths using the approved available vaccines.
If EU citizens are vaccine skeptics then the EU leaders have a job to reverse this as vaccination is the only way out of lockdowns and the return to relative normality.
16 regions in france going into lockdown now...
Good to see the French PM today get an AZ vaccine, bit of a publicity stunt but it may have an effect and get France sorted out sooner rather than later.
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In reply to Post #233
Nothing selective here... For sure after 1 year we should have more than "still likely"?? And is not deaths that is the problem... It is spreading... Jumping on the vaccine certificate to travel and than you have 9/10 people still getting infected... you are not stopping pandemic by doung that... and I didnt miss anything I wrote as well that if they will not adopt vaccine... There are better vaccine out there at the moment... That is a fact... Hopefully az will change soon as majority of countries are planning to vaccine in general with that.... And to finish I would get az right now if possible I am not against it but can look at bigger picture... Unfortunatelly this is all more than not muu point... Majority of eu is going back in lockdowns as we speak...
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In reply to Post #232
You have selectively not mentioned that - Other research suggests that the AZ vaccine is still likely to reduce severe cases and deaths from the South African strain.
It's so easy to change/maniulate the facts in a statement by taking a few words out in isolation.
You also missed ou the following:-
Oxford University is working on adapting the vaccine to ensure that it protects against this variant, as well as other strains. They have said a ‘booster’ jab could be available by autumn 2021.
There are currently only a small number of cases of the South African variant in the UK, and the government has put measures in place to minimise community spread of this variant.
This was always expected as Coronaviruses mutate all the time.
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In reply to Post #230
looks like more aggressive english and south african strains are prevailing in europe at the moment and causing 3th wave and if AZ will not adopt their vaccine there will not be much sense soon to vaccine people with it as it is like only 10% efficient against african strain at the moment...
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In reply to Post #230
How is Merkel telling the truth "jumping on the AZ anti-vaccine fast enough" ?
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In reply to Post #229
Top eu leaders have knocked the AZ vaccine several time now.
French president Emmanuel Macron suggested the vaccine was “quasi-ineffective” on older individuals.
German chancellor Angela Merkel has said she will not have the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine because it is not recommended for her age group.
They can't jump on the anti AZ vaccine fast enough, as of yesterday quite a few eu countries had paused the rollout of the vaccine due to safety concerns. Due to their negative views millions of AZ vaccine doses in the eu are sitting in fridges unused. This is directly as a result of the eu leaders negativity towards this vaccine.
The EU now need to reverse the negativity passed onto EU citizens and to do this they need to admit they were wrong and I can't see this happening this side of hell freezing over...
All this will do is slow down the EU's pandemic recovery and slow down the relaxing of travel restrictions.
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In reply to Post #228
eu leaders are convincing their people that the jab is bad and have side effects... Dont know where you got this but it is certainly not true for 2 countries I live in.
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In reply to Post #227
38k cases in the last 24hrs in France reported today, this is not good......
Hope they get on top of it soon...
The EU ordered 300 million AstraZeneca vaccine doses.... eu leaders are convincing their people that the jab is bad and have side effects but their still demanding that they get their orders..... crazy crazy mad situation in the EU....
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In reply to Post #226
A friend has stopped his fishing business in France , says the atmosphere has changed for the worse , for no good reason to the average resident , but point scoring is happening .
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In reply to Post #225
at the moment eu is actually encouraging people to get infected by telling them they will be a ble to travel if they already had corona.
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In reply to Post #224
Which is why I posted Jon's link in my last post as it's more to the point
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In reply to Post #222
Brexit is old news......Time to move along and not get involved in the EU's political point scoring against the UK......... 
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In reply to Post #222
A better link than my previous.
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In reply to Post #219
Is this the same EU we were told controlled all our laws and we couldn't operate how we wished? Now appears all the EU countries are doing exactly as they wish with the vaccine. Some stopping AZ, some still jabbing their citizens and some like Hungary opting to go with the Russian vaccine. Not the picture Boris, and his 350 million pound a week for the NHS bus, were painting at all.😂
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Playing with peoples lives
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Well the head of the Italian medical association has come out and said the EU are pressuring EU states to suspend the astra zenica vaccine and its politically motivated, read into that what you will
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In reply to Post #217
would still be very cheap... 1 dose of az is cca 1,8 eur, pfizer 12 eur!
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In reply to Post #214
Nothing to do with it, how do they gain by doing that? I think we should apply a tarif on the AZ vaccine, be interesting to see what the EU do then? Won´t go into the Brexit debate!
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In reply to Post #215
Funny that Sweden have also suspended the vaccination programme as well now.
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In reply to Post #213
They do manufacture Astra Zeneca all over europe, not just the uk, as it is a Swedish company they allow other drug companies manufacture it, even in France!
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In reply to Post #213
And I also believe they are still trying to punish us for brexit
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In reply to Post #212
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-why-are-countries-suspending-the-astrazeneca-vaccine
Yep, it appears that EU citizens and their leaders are both wrong. See link above. The Pfizer and AZ vaccines have similar results in blood clotting which is not neccessarily down to the vaccine but is a normal event. Why have they singled out the AZ vaccine?
By doing this EU leaders are using this as an excuse to attack the UK but are also killing their own people and slowing down their own recovery from the pandemic.
The more they drag this out the longer it will be before the countries can drop travel restrictions and carp fisheries can open for business as usual.
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In reply to Post #211
You do realise that you guys in uk are much more eager to get vacc. than people in many eu countries are... People decline vaccinations and even with small numbers of doses not all is used at the moment... and now with az stoped numbers will go down even further as 1. people are afraid and belive even less and 2 az was the main vaccine for many countries. The only way majority of eu will get vaccinated is if they pay people to do it... Not so many people in eu went for "get it and you can travel" because they dont believe that is true.
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In reply to Post #207
Any EU country could have chosen to go it alone. Hungary, Slovakia and San Marino have done just that.
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In reply to Post #209
Paris may lockdown. Doubt the whole country will. My local hospitals aren't even half full but considering we've only had 241 deaths in the whole region since last march it isn't surprising. Numbers in France are very area specific, including overseas territories. Hence the reason for local, not national lockdowns at this time.
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In reply to Post #206
They may yet have no choice. If paris ICU's are already overflowing we can reasonably expect the same surge in numbers elsewhere. The only real way out is a lockdown and an effective vaccine rollout.
The steady rise in covid victim numbers does not paint an optimistic outlook in the short term.
"Emmanuel Macron has warned tough new measures may be needed to contain a new wave of coronavirus in areas of France where infections and deaths continue to rise.
The French president said on Monday “new decisions” would be taken in the coming days to rein in the further spread of the virus."
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In reply to Post #207
That's not the case. EU member states had the freedom to act alone but chose not to, which was a mistake. Just like they are now demonstrating their freedom to suspend the AZ vaccine in each country as they see fit. Another mistake.
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In reply to Post #205
All European countries including France are now suffering from the red tape nonsense of the E.U. If each country had the freedom to strike their own deals with pharmaceutical firms with regards to the new vaccines , im sure they would be in a far better state with the death toll numbers/ case numbers such as ourselves in the UK.
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In reply to Post #205
Macron already stated no full lockdown.
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In reply to Post #202
We have a bit of positive news for France and now we have some bad news as the icu's in paris are now full as the new Covid 19 variants are taking hold in france...
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210314-paris-may-face-new-covid-19-lockdown-as-intensive-care-fills-up
Their already talking about a regional lockdown for paris but we know how bad it can get quickly with the new c19 variant.... I guess the next few weeks in France will indicate if they need to have another full lockdown but let's hope not. From the UK's experience with the new variant you'd expect them to take action quickly to try and prevent another major outbreak.
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In reply to Post #197
I gave up fishing the Lot around 6 years ago for the same reason , i stay on local rivers to me now , i'm around 40 miles north of St Cirq lapopie and pretty much cat free to date , i still want to go back and catch a 40 Lb er from the Lot though some time !
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In reply to Post #200
You'll actually have to take an hour or so to go get tested, results emailed same day or next day....cost around 60 euros for non residents......dont know what happens if you test positive, but you wont be able to stay at the lake and will need to find a hotel for your isolation period of 10 days
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In reply to Post #201
France has opened borders to Britain and a few other countries providing you provide a negative Covid test.
Just got to hope things go OK here now but, it is looking a little more promising.
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In reply to Post #200
Not at the moment but it might look better in the UK in a couple of months but in the EU who knows how long it'll take for them to get themselves vaccinated which really is the only option to exit lockdowns and remove the extensive entry requirements. As it's been said before though, we're not protected until were all protected (vaccinated).
I see the France numbers are still rising, 27k and 30k for the last two days.. 
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
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In reply to Post #199
I don't see the UK easing self isolation rules anytime soon.
If by some miracle anyone here manages to get a trip out in April, put aside around an extra 300+ quid just for the tests. You'll also have to leave the pond a day or two early just to get the negative test for the journey home. On top of the 10 days loss of earnings, is it really worth it?
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In reply to Post #198
https://news.sky.com/story/france-to-ease-coronavirus-travel-restrictions-boosting-uk-holidaymakers-hopes-12242734
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The following gives some encouraging news for once.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210311-covid-19-france-eases-restrictions-on-some-international-travellers?fbclid=IwAR30JHQqx4cC97JbeCPNxbImRsMNvOXKTThbjvP1ECqXeKGdBHMoMznPErM
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In reply to Post #194
Haven't fished the Lot for several years. Last time we went we got mullered by cats. They outnumbered the carp (takes-wise) about 10:1. They wiped me out of bait and in the end I just gave up. We were fishing the stretch between Ste-Sylvestre and Fumel. a stretch we had always done well on in previous years. However, that year the cats seemed to have bred like mice and we were plagued with them. They were all much of a muchness in size and they were ravenous!
I have also fished just upstream of where I think you must have bought a house. It was outside St Livrade along the riverside road. On Google Earth there is a Fiat motor-home parked in the entrance to the property. We had some gear nicked overnight...left a nasty taste in the mouth!
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In reply to Post #195
Doesn't that make us an attractive option. We are unlikely to bring much risk into France and we spend money.
The flip side is UK won't want us back as we are likely coming from a higher risk country so maybe negative test required or quarantine on return.
Only time will tell.
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In reply to Post #188
Are you that confident?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
When you look at how France to coping with the Corona it makes you wonder if they will be open for holidays this year as they are so far behind us and the numbers are still steadily going up ATM. They currently have 3.5 million cases steadily rising whereas we have 788k and our numbers are dropping quickly.
I've also got a booking that Vallee lakes have agreed to move and I'm wondering if I need to ask for a date next year TBH.
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In reply to Post #193
Good luck, I hope you get to get over here. We have a house very close to Jim's place, the fish was from the bottom of our garden. There has also been a common of just under 60lb caught recently. We moved over here permanently at the back end of last year and are loving it.
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In reply to Post #192
La Charente, Richard. Congrats on the Lot 40, and a mirror too. Was that from Jim's 'Paradise'?
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In reply to Post #190
Which river are you going to Ken? I have had some nice fish from the Lot last week including a 41lb mirror. Well chuffed!
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In reply to Post #190
Nothing wrong with a round of golf, soon back to normal and playing 4 to 5 times a week at Launceston.
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We're supposed to be going in early September too. Two weeks on a lake then another two on the river. Both venues were booked for visits in September 2020 but they have been rolled over to September 2021. If they too are cancelled I think I'll brush off the golf clubs again and stick all the tackle on the Bay!
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In reply to Post #188
i hope your right re september mate
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June = 50/50
September 100%
October 100%
That’s what I’m hoping for my 3 trips
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In reply to Post #185
mine is due mid september...oh well, it will be what it is i guess
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In reply to Post #184
All accurate at this point in time. Personally I think by the end of May we will be looking at a far brighter picture.
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In reply to Post #184
Thanks for the update, Andy😮.
Confirms my suspicions that things will be extremely difficult for a while, especially when adding a trip across the pond to start and finish it all.
My two scheduled trips are End Aug and End Oct, thinking the first at least is now at real risk....
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In reply to Post #183
The latest government form and subsequent actions / fines is the final of many nails in a long coffin for travelling to fish .. I looked into it again yesterday ( before moving my tunnel crossing for the 10th time !! )
You now need to get into France -
A negative test
The latest U.K.explain your reason for travel form
A form swearing your free from COVID
A French reason to travel permit .
To self isolate for 7 days .
Oh , and all foreign travel is banned anyway ( by both countries )
To get back to the U.K.
a negative test
Self isolate for 10 days
Two tests during that period .
The cost of three tests alone is a weeks fishing ! For those of you lucky enough to be able to travel for “ essential “ work and combine it with a spot of fishing .. good luck and make hay on the empty lakes ...
The main problem is see is that both countries have put up so many walls to stop travel / Holidays that the realistic prospect that come May 17th we can all just head on over .. is , IMO , tiny ... As we know from lockdowns , putting restrictions in place is very easy , it’s undoing them that takes the time ...
I really , really hope I’m wrong for mine ( I have a fair few trips planned this year ) and veryones sake , but my work schedule ( I work abroad ) has already been pushed back to July / August ...
Have I missed anything 😭?
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In reply to Post #182
Exactly the same. Rebooked for March 22. Still not confident of that anymore!
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We should have sailed to Cherbourg this evening to fish a venue that was re-booked from March 2020. Guess what! It's been postponed yet again.
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Good points on the laws for us brits abroad and time limits etc
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In reply to Post #178
3 months but you can ask for an extended holiday visa which I suspect many will illegally apply for.
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In reply to Post #178
90 days maximum in 180 days. Still dont alter the fact you are not allowed to be here without a work permit.
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In reply to Post #177
True, but what's the maximum time you can stay as a visitor without a visa?Can't remember if it's 3 months or 6?
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In reply to Post #176
Not all but I don't think it will affect all venues, many bailiffs are not on the books and do the job for free fishing, beer and a bit of pocket money.
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In reply to Post #173
UK residents no longer allowed to work in France unless they have a work visa.... there is no longer freedom of movement since Brexit.
Wonder how this will impact the bailiffs working the french venues...? no work visa= illegal immigrant
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In reply to Post #174
Norfolk boi.
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In reply to Post #172
Maybe he lives in France and is fishing within the restrictions
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In reply to Post #172
I have no idea who that is, but I presume they are maybe 'working' much like them waste of space 'social influencers'
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anyone have any idea how come Sean Kelly is able to be over at happy lake when were not supposed to be traveling
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In reply to Post #170
The answer to that is it is not known yet. At the moment you can't travel so, as and when the travel/holidays rules are relaxed then any requirements in terms of testing, isolation etc will be announced I guess.
To be fair I don't think you can't expect the sort of clarity you are asking for at this stage.
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In reply to Post #162
What if you test positive? What if a group of anglers go for a test on Thursday/Friday and 2 or 3 of them test positive?? Can you go back home? Does the lake have to be shut down? What does this mean for other anglers? Do they have to isolate? Can they travel? This came up on one of fb groups today and it is very interesting.
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In reply to Post #168
Understand what it means but the fact that they changed it from the original date of 1st May to 1st June sort of indicates that they expect to be making decisions until that time...
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In reply to Post #167
I think you will find that 'state of emergency' has been made so that the government can order lockdowns, etc without the need to go back to parliament for permission. It doesn't necessarily mean that there will be a lockdown until June but more that they can order one if needed. Having said that I am beginning to think that June will be the earliest that we can expect to see anglers coming back over to France. We will see.
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France are set to extend their state of emergency until 1st June when it expires on 16th February, that is the timescale they feel will be required for the vaccine to take effect...it was obvious they were behind us but that's quite a bit!
Not looking good for bookings before then!
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In reply to Post #165
Nurses and healthcare workers in France have mostly had the vaccine. They are not far behind the UK on those getting first and second jabs. Just a different roll out priority in France.
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In reply to Post #163
If the French are treating the testing system as they appear to be the distribution of the vaccine i.e. older age groups are not priority, not very encouraging!! Had my jab today but would rather 1 of the frontline workers had been offered it first e.g. teachers, 2 days to do the whole of the teaching industry far more important than people like me especially with schools due to open soon.
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In reply to Post #163
It is so interesting to see how different countries are handling things differently and there is no common solution to problems even after one year of covid... no joined plan or anything, each country with different entry and quarantine rules...
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In reply to Post #162
My local laboratory does PCR testing. Free for French residents. 60 euro for non French. Pharmacies do the lateral flow one for 25 euros.
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In reply to Post #161
Been following this thread with interest for a while - and it's a good read and food for thought.
We have trips booked for second week of May and second week of September, so at the moment, we're planning for the worst and hoping for the best. 3 out of 5 of us have already had covid (with + test). We're all 40 - 50, so in that 3rd tranche that they're hoping to get to from May onwards.
One thing the lake owners could do with getting on top of - and be proactive with - is that IF (IF!) we're allowed to travel, then it's highly-likely we'll all need a negative PCR test before returning to the UK. I spoke to the lake owner we're (hopefully) going to in May- asked where we could get the tests - and he had no idea. I've since worked it out - but perhaps if lake owners got proactive with this issue (i.e. we know where you need to go, what the process/cost is - and we'll book them for you), then their customers have one less thing to worry about (objection). Just a thought.
Let's hope we can go. Take care all. I know fishing is minor in the grand scheme of what's happening, but for a lot of people, it's their escape from normal life. And normal life is pretty mundane at the moment, so fingers crossed for you all, boys.
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In reply to Post #160
Your be alright Tim ... your as tough as old nails mate 😀💉.. Will be good to catch up with you again ..
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In reply to Post #156
Got my shots, and my UK mates if similar vintage are doing the same.
Our goal is simply to avoid getting really sick if we finally catch it, after being very careful (and scared) for a year. We expect to continue the masking and social distancing stuff for the foreseeable future too , of course.
Hopefully I can now fly over and get my Laby fix later this year, which makes me very 😊
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In reply to Post #157
Not suggesting the vaccine program is a total waste of time it isn't if it saves lives and serious illness but planning a holiday in France or anywhere else this year is probably a waste of time
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In reply to Post #156
It’s only ever been about herd immunity, they just got shot down for mentioning it, if COVID can tear through the population but the vaccine provides enough protection to allow the hospitals to cope and without forfeiting the older generations then it’s just got to run its course before it really gets better.
I personally won’t be booking any trips for a long time yet.
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In reply to Post #156
It's not a waste of time David. Your vaccinations will stop you becoming seriously ill and therefore prevent you needing hospitalisation. That, in the long run, should help others needing treatment for other things.
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In reply to Post #154
Think we all have to wait for a few more months to see what direction we are going (if anywhere). I do think the vaccine passports will come into force so us oldies will be able to travel first, on a serious note though if the data shows that the vaccines don´t stop you getting Covid (which we already know they don't) and if you get Covid it doesn't stop you being contageous (which it seems it doesn't) this whole thing is a waste of time!!!! Booked in for my jab on Saturday, I too have a trip booked in July, not optimistic!!
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In reply to Post #154
That is only an extension to the Government's powers to impose restrictions. Let's hope they aren't needed and travel can open up earlier.
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In reply to Post #129
Looks like another kick in the preverbials for both Lake owners and anglers . France look to be extending their state of emergency until June 1st . Combined with our ( U.K. governments ) highly confusing and some would say only a year too late , border restrictions and quarantine rules , I think my France angling boat is well and truely bloody sunk until mid summer FFS ..
for those of you with tunnel frequent traveller accounts , I emailed them the other day and the6 came straight back and said they would extend them by 6 months , so if you haven’t already I would get a hurry up and do that
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In reply to Post #152
Yes same for me, had to claim for last years trip and at the moment this years trip in August looks like it should happen.
Although Ive not booked for 2022 as it was a £250 non returnable deposit which i didnt fancy losing given the current circumstances or making another claim
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In reply to Post #151
Not many, though. Most lakes want half at the point of booking even when booking 2 years plus in advance.
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Some lakes only ask for a nominal deposit and then the balance 12 weeks before departure which I think is better as it’s nearer the time to evaluate if it’s possible to go
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In reply to Post #146
One of the big issues that doesn't seem to factor into this discussion is the 50% deposit many lakes demand even when booking 2 or 3 years in advance. I think many of us will be thinking twice before booking well in advance now. Jim, Old fellah has a very fair system in place if you do. He takes a nominal holding deposit and only asks for a full deposit the year before your booking.
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In reply to Post #148
Thank you for that reply George. At the end of the day we are all losers from this Covid problem so lets hope it is soon behind us. Tight lines, Jim.
My fishery is Le Moulin du Mee.
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In reply to Post #145
Full respect for that reply, it’s got my goat up with some fishery owners that they’re being hard done by, the ones that have been in France 20+ years with full order books and have ****ed loyal customers over with this scenario saying they’re skint and it’s the angler that’s loses out with no remorse (Moorlands).
You’re reply regarding costs and the upkeep to your property, the fish and the fact you’re treating your customers fairly goes a long way with me.
What fishery do you have?
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In reply to Post #146
Well Wooly, last year I got turned over by a carpenter that I had paid good money to. I put it down to experience but based on your philosophy I should now never trust a carpenter again. Of course individuals can quote bad or good experiences but to believe that your experience encompasses the whole industry is wrong. What I find refreshing is that at a time when thousands of anglers and hundreds of venue's are having a torrid time financially that the bad experiences seem to be by far in the minority. I imagine that of the many anglers on this forum that have been affected by recent issues most are happy enough with the way things have been handled. Keep safe lad and I am sure you will be back in France before long.
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Being a keen angler who visits France once or twice per year I've read this thread with interest since it began.
If I could, I'd like to address this post to all the fishery owners.
Last year I had 2 trips planned, both with same company. 10 weeks before the final payment for the first, the country went into lockdown, I contacted the owner and asked what he might be able to offer in the event we couldn't go. He replied nothing, claim it back off your insurance. No negotiation, just no. We cancelled and lost our deposit (£100).
The country started to open up by the second trip and all looked good at 10 weeks out. I contacted the owner by email and he said if the same situation occurred he would allow us to move the trip to a different date.
Just a few weeks before our departure everything went pear shaped again and it became obvious we wouldn't be able to go.
I spoke to the owner and his initial reply was sorry, can't help. I reminded him about the email saying he would offer a different date, he said sorry he'd forgot about that and then grudgingly offered a date in November.
Unfortunately everything was still in lockdown so we had to cancel that.
I'm now over £500 out of pocket, £400+ to the fishery and £100 on Eurotunnel.
My question is simple, why the hell should I trust any fishery with my money ever again?
I absolutely sympathise with their situation, but I expected a bit more understanding of mine, a bit of give and take. With the country, the world even, still in this Covid nightmare I haven't made any plans for fishing this year in France, I thought about asking if the fishery would move the date to later this year on the off chance that we might be able to go, after all I paid full price for the second trip, maybe if I agreed to pay a small extra towards it they might be forthcoming. But with so much uncertainty and the responses we got to last years issues, I've written it off as a bad loss.
Perhaps some owners should remember it's us, the paying public who pay them money and maybe work with us. So, for me no trip this year and none planned for next year either. The first time in more than 20 years I have no plans to go abroad and no deposit on any lake, usually I have deposits on lakes for the next 2 years.
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In reply to Post #144
Do you really think that costs can be reduced because anglers are not at a fishery ? The carp need feeding, in fact more so if anglers are not putting bait in, maintenance of land and facilities are always ongoing. For example in the last few weeks we have spent over 1000 euro's on tree surgeon to have 7 poplars downed. I am awaiting delivery of over 1400 euro' worth of oak planking and posts for swim renewal and have 20 ton of limestone chippings and gravel at a cost of around 850 euro's delivered. We spend 150 euro's per week on maize in the winter months and have ordered 2 ton of pellet for spring feeding program r at a cost of almost 2000 euro's although admittedly that will last well into the summer. Add to that the cost of machinery maintenance and vehicle upkeep we find that expenditure is constant unless we just want to sit back and let the place go to pot. Always consider also that France is one of the most highly taxed countries in Europe with around 45% of all income going in taxes of one sort or another. That is why in the bad old days so many fisheries operated under the radar over here. Don't get me wrong, we love the life and in a normal year have a comfortable and good quality of life so in no way do I intend to plead poverty nor that we are hard done by as fishery owners . Having said that I do know of several venue's that financially will not be able to see the year out. My issue is with the keyboard warriors that try and imply that all fishery owners are wealthy money grabbers sucking all the cash they can from the poor old anglers. The truth is that we are all struggling in this climate of Covid and dare I say it, Brexit, and from all that I have been told most venue's are being open, honest and fair with their clients. In our case we have a great set of regulars on both lakes and not once have we had a problem or bad feeling going either way in the present climate. In fact, the way we have and are supported by our anglers has been a major factor in cheering us up in the dark days of winter and for that I am most grateful.
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In reply to Post #143
What costs does a fishery have that can’t be reduced whilst anglers aren’t there that other businesses don’t have?
Fisheries can’t have their pie and eat it whilst it’s good, lots of businesses have been decimated!
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In reply to Post #142
Quite right Andy, we can agree on that sentiment however if you look at the detail of the Government help you will see that it is limited and although very helpful can never make up for the loss of all income. Unlike many business's that can reduce costs to virtually nil when on shutdown we as lake owners have much the same running costs as we do when full of anglers with the only difference being that we do not have the income.
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There is extensive financial help from the French Govornment.
Any help of will no doubt be based on previous taxable declarations ( sounds very similar to the help for self employed in the UK ) so some fisheries will get a better level of support, this will be due to the businesses strong ethics, honesty and integrity.
It's incredibly important to the French Govornment support these busnesses as small operations account for a significant part of their GDP.
I'm sure all anglers would like to think that they are spending their hard earned money on a fishing trip where the owners have integrity and are open and honest with it's customers.
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In reply to Post #138
On your bandwagon again I see Andy. The fact is that any support for lakes in France is very limited and in no way even covers the running costs of a fishery. I feel it is about time that you and others of a similar mindset, realise that the current situation makes losers of us all with fisheries in France perhaps the biggest losers of all. It is probable that a years income will have been lost before anglers are fishing again in France and running costs don't diminish because anglers are not coming. Tell me of any business that can flourish after being closed for a year ? Whether you are a plumber, a carpenter or a fishery owner the statistics are the same fellah. We all lose so stop trying to score points-
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In reply to Post #139
Absolutely, there are always those that don't qualify. The usual standard is that your business is trading within the "system", you have been trading for a qualifying period and, as owner, the income from the business forms the major part of your income.
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In reply to Post #138
Depends if you qualify for help. Not all fisheries do.
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How's it going with bookings for early 2021 that look like they'll be cancelled due to border closures and travel restrictions both in france and the UK?
I have one that was moved from oct last year to March 21... I wonder if my booking will be moved or the fishery will just pocket my money....
The French government is financially supporting businesses including fishing that have been impacted by the Covid restrictions with handouts and they also have a furlough scheme. So the businesses/fisheries are being supported.
https://www.completefrance.com/living-in-france/working-in-france/increased-financial-aid-for-small-businesses-in-france-during-lockdown-1-6947546
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In reply to Post #136
That is discrimination!
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In reply to Post #132
There is a English owned lake near me, he always has people from the Netherlands and France fishing on it, but not at the same price as advertised on his website.
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In reply to Post #133
Bounty Lakes encourages young local carpers to fish their lakes in the off season by offereing very reasonably priced day tickets. This keeps the bait going in and also keeps sweet the loacl entent cordiale
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In reply to Post #133
I guess prices will have to be adopted to current market... Still better to get some money and bait going in... maybe offer refund for pcr test for anglers from eu coming in if his non eu ban will last longer etc... owners will have to adopt this year somehow that is certain.
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In reply to Post #132
From my past experience it has been difficult to attract French anglers to English operated fisheries, the anglers simply don't want to pay the prices when they are able to fish public waters at a fraction of the cost. 
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Tourism is a massive industry for the whole of Europe, especially France, so hopefully things will calm down covid-wise as spring arrives and things will open up. I just hope that it's not limited to the EU, excluding the UK. It's a real shame the EU have made such a hash of the vaccine rollout, if they'd done as well as the UK across Europe, things would look a lot better.
A question for the British owners of fisheries in France .. is there much demand from other European nationalities? Is it possible to try to attract anglers from elsewhere while travel from the UK is problematic?
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In reply to Post #130
Just moved our first week of the year also and don't really hold out much hope for our July trip either. I would add though that surely economic pressure has to tip the balance of scales at some stage? There has to be a tipping point where the threat of the countries going to the wall and a bias of 1st vaccinations will mean that there will be some relaxation of the rules maybe sooner than we think.As has been stated this isn't going away and the sooner it becomes a part of our everyday life and not a hindrance the quicker we will move on with our lives.
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In reply to Post #128
No change for the UK, there's been a ban in place since the 20th of December anyway. 
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In reply to Post #128
Going to be a tougher year than 2020 when it comes to holidays, I feel very sorry for lake operators and their customers!! Being retired and living on a pension is bad enough but less stressful than still trying to run a fishery.
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France has just announced that it is to close its borders to non-EU citizens from Sunday.
They are probaly going to be a couple of months behind the Uk for vaccinations so not looking good until mid summer at the earliest.
This is going to make it harder for those French lakes that say we are open, it's not our problem you can't quarantine on arrival or on return - so as to keep your deposit.
Hard times for all
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In reply to Post #126
And Boris Johnson has just given 300,000 of them a uk passport to come over to the uk and open up more of Britains favourite take aways?
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In reply to Post #124
And some say it was deliberately unleashed !
I am not getting into the debate about how, just that it came from that filthy dump of a Country.
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In reply to Post #123
This week I saw one lake on fb (cant remember which one) offering clients if they cancel in x period before planned date of fishing they will be refunded in % that owner will fill the lake with other anglers. That sounded fair to me. It gave anglers chance to get some money back and owners some time to find other clients (not sure how to control how many anglers actually on to be honest which could lead to arguments). Looks like owners will have to look more in attracting French and other eu anglers that might travel easier this year.
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In reply to Post #123
I hope people never lose sight of the fact that it is entirely the fault of the Chinese and their filthy habits that have put us in this state, I for one will never forgive them.
Steady on mate .. that's a bit much.
Some say that it was genetically engineered in a spotlessly clean Chinese laboratory!
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In reply to Post #121
I would love to think you were wrong Ian however, I have 2 weeks booked in June from 5th and am not at all hopeful of being able to make it and could stand to lose a lot of money but, not as much as lake owners.
I hope people never lose sight of the fact that it is entirely the fault of the Chinese and their filthy habits that have put us in this state, I for one will never forgive them.
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In reply to Post #121
i feel for you guys in France with lakes..so hope we can all enjoy it as soon as possible
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In reply to Post #119
As the owner of a french lake, I dont believe anyone from the UK will be fishing in France (legally) til at least July, if even then! What we have now is the way its gonna be for years , there is no future, its been taken away by the Chinese!!
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In reply to Post #119
A couple of our party lost their jobs recently so rather than “hope” they can make it we decided it was in the best interest of us and the lake owners to cancel. Give the owners enough time to fill our week and if things improve on the job front we can look later in the year when hopefully this crap has settled down
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In reply to Post #118
I am still hopeful for my trip at the beginning of May so will wait to see what the situation is nearer the time before doing anything, I certainly won’t be cancelling more likely move my trip if allowed
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We cancelled our week at the end of may yesterday
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In reply to Post #116
Bullseye - LOL - I stand corrected! 
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In reply to Post #115
I agree. However smallpox was eradicated but it took 200 years!
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In reply to Post #111
Good post Oldfella
However, Covid-19 will be with us FOR EVER, rather than "for years to come" as it is a virus and I do not believe humanity has yet managed to erradicate viruses (unfortunately!).
We need to accept this fact and get on with our lives as much as possible, just like we do with the Flu every year. Vaccinate the vulnerable and let's get the feck back on with our lives.
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In reply to Post #111
I agree with you completely and I did say, "at this stage"........It is highly unlikely that travel restrictions and isolation/testing restrictions will all be lifted at the same time and like you say whether you have had the vaccine or not, it will be a gradual thing at best.
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In reply to Post #112
Agreed 👍
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In reply to Post #111
A positive and, what i believe to be, a realistic view of the future
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In reply to Post #110
In fairness Spod I feel you are voicing our fears of the worst scenario and our hopes are that things will change once the vaccination program is in full swing. The world cannot be put on hold for ever and if the bulk of the populations have been vaccinated than although the virus can still be transmitted the consequences will be more like a dose of flu rather than life changing. As a fishery owner we, like all others. are suffering the financial burden of total income loss for much of last year as well as at the very least, half of this year however with anglers holidays being put back at least the loss will not be theirs. I think it is wrong to see the current problems as being the way things will be later in the year when the virus will be somewhat better controlled. One thing is certain and that is that Covid will not go away and, like flu, will be with us for many years to come. The importance of an annual vaccination cannot be over stated and once that is freely available then travel restrictions will be lifted and life will once more get back to some sense of normality....imo
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In reply to Post #107
I don't think the vaccine will make a jot of difference at this stage especially as the "experts" are now saying that the vaccine does not stop you contracting it and passing it on.......(nothing new there, the annual flu jab doesn't stop that either.... )....
As things stand at the moment you have to pay for a PCR test, (£150) and this must be undertaken less than 72hrs before you go out and this must show a negative result.
You are then requested to self-isolate in France for 7 days upon arrival. After the 7 days you must then take another PCR test, (another £150) and if that is negative you are then allowed to travel within France, subject to local restrictions.
Then when returning to the UK you have to have another PCR test before they will let you board a flight or get on the chunnel. When you get back to the UK at the moment you then have to self-isolate at home for anything up to 10 days. However, it looks highly likely that the UK will enforce a 10-day Hotel stay upon re-entry to the UK, (at your own cost) depending where you have been.....
Even if travel restrictions are lifted to allow recreation/leisure the testing and isolation will be with us for some time.
This is where a lot of people will come unstuck, Anglers or general holidaymakers because as soon as the French, (Spanish, Italian etc) lift travel restrictions enough you can go on your holiday......if you don't, because you cannot take 3 or 4 weeks off work to isolate/get the testing done then that will be YOUR CHOICE and the provider does not have to refund you or provide an alternative....neither would your travel insurers pay out.
So any fishery owners in France will know this, (a few have already been called out on Facebook for pretending not to) and will want you to hedge your bets rather than request new dates....
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In reply to Post #107
No answer at the moment as far as I can tell? The vaccine doesn´t stop you catching the virus it minimises the risk of severe consequences and the scientists are still not abale to determine whether you can still spread the virus if you have it and after receiving the vaccine. I think travel abroad will be on hold for months until the scientists understand more about the vaccine, virus and new variants, if we thought last year was tough, this one is going to be worse!
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In reply to Post #107
Problem is many people that got vaccinated have positive test results so if test will be the norm (without considering vaccination)than good luck to them...
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In reply to Post #106
we will no doubt still have significant testing and quarantine rules on both sides of the channel. Not many people will be able to take 3 or possibly 4 weeks off work to self isolate either side of a fishing trip to France.
I was thiking about that the other day, I wonder if people who can prove they have had the vaccine will be allowed to travel freely or whether as more of these ruddy mutant strains become apparent it will mean sweet fa.
There in lies the Q, if it does allow you to travel will you be able to buy the vaccine to allow you to travel, might be well worth it if so.
Was thinking about it as I've had the jab but the Mrs who comes with me hasn't..yet.
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From various Facebook pages it looks like there are a lot of anglers looking to rearrange trips for the first half of this year....(my party included) and some fishery owners are doing so, others however are telling them to wait and that they, "won't lose their holiday"....
Problem will be however and the reason fishery owners are being asked now to move dates, is that even if the French authorities relax the rules enough to allow trips to recommence in April/May we will no doubt still have significant testing and quarantine rules on both sides of the channel. Not many people will be able to take 3 or possibly 4 weeks off work to self isolate either side of a fishing trip to France.
In those circumstances it will then be the individuals choice whether to travel or not and not many fishery owners, (if any) will then agree to give alternative dates or a refund....so despite what they say, many will end up losing their holiday.
Difficult situation and certainly no winners here for sure...
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In reply to Post #104
slightly off topic (nowt new there )
I normally go to portimao, estoril etc every winter on track for some racebike practice, last yrs was cancelled, got money back fine, i wont be booking again, as its a £2.5K trip for 4 days, including tyres etc.
too much grief and disappointment to bother in my book (Sadly)
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In reply to Post #101
Really helpful post....
Ours was rolled over from 2020 for what it's worth. I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to book expensive holidays for this year without giving it at least a little bit of thought....
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In reply to Post #96
Not looking so good, is it!
I already cancelled my End-May week, have fingers and toes crossed for End-Aug...and an starting to worry about that end of year, cold November trip.
Coming via the UK from the US, all the stars need to be aligned at the best of times!😁
Take care,all, we’ll get back eventually.......
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My June trip was carried over from November last year that was cancelled
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In reply to Post #100
Well this wont be popular......anyone who has recently booked a foreign holiday fishing or not for the near future deserves all the stress they get.
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In reply to Post #98
We are due to go out on 30th April, don't think we have a chance in hell....
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In reply to Post #98
There is going to be an anouncement later this week, it looks like we will be going back into a full lockdown again here in France.
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Booked for the end of June 🤞🤞🤞🤞
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Looks like anyone booked to go to France for at least the first 6 months of the year is probably not going......France already have a 7-day isolation rule in force on arrival and now the UK look as though they will impose a 10-day Hotel stay on re-entering the UK......
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In reply to Post #94
We are alaready accepting casualties... Number of suicides and people not getting proper care not even diagnostics for other deseases, cancer etc is huge...
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In reply to Post #90
Will be a point where we just have to live with the virus in its many forms. Open things up, protect the vulnerable and get economies moving. A bit like war, you accept casualties for the greater good.
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In reply to Post #92
You are right there David, very troubling times for us all mate. I am sorry to say that there are likely to be quite a few fisheries go to the wall this year with lack of income and bills to pay. I always find is rather sad when I see posts from anglers who seem to believe that fishery owners are rolling in dosh and should never complain about their lot in life. As you will know situations like we have seen over the last couple of years are possibly the swan song of fishing in France as it has been for a good few years now. Enjoy your retirement fellah.
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In reply to Post #91
Even the National Lottery has not had so many weeks rolled over, glad I am not still operating a fishery, I wouldn´t cope with the stress and worry.
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In reply to Post #89
I think much of 2022 is going to be one big rollover ... going quickly back to negativity. If you do fancy booking then book 2 or 3 years ahead for a summer or November week
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In reply to Post #89
What are peoples views on the how countries may handle the new South African variant? Surely this is now the biggest risk to getting back to normal.
If initial tests prove to hold true and the all 3 existing vaccines effectiveness reduce by 50%, what will the next steps be for each country’s government?
Are borders not open at all this summer while they work on a new vaccine or does there come a point when the governments say, the balance has pushed towards the economy and tourism etc is now allowed in se way or form?
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In reply to Post #88
Chin up Jim. Your main lake is on my bucket list. Any vacancy for one in 2022 
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In reply to Post #87
Oh, I'm delighted. No more horrible anglers catching our beloved fish
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In reply to Post #86
Jimmy, this constant negative speculation doesn't do anybody any good. Cheer up mate😍
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In reply to Post #85
Agreed. But who are they going to open it up to? And who are they not going to open it up to? There's already less restrictions upon travel between countries on the mainland.
The UK is currently the worst country in the world for Covid deaths and has even created its own more infectious and deadly strain. Brussels was putting pressure upon member states to keep borders open with the Union but that no longer applies to the UK. Its looking bleak.
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In reply to Post #78
It’s a waste of time worrying about any headlines that have “ Could “ or “ Maybe “ in the title . The U.K. press has been frankly terrible through this whole ordeal ( in particular the BBC ) .. it’s continual doom and gloom and any attention grabbing headline ..
France , Spain , Italy etc all rely on tourism . As soon as it’s deemed safe to do so they will open up their borders ...
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I've just read another story about them, the loophole they used seems to be they implied it was for work purposes as they were booked on a ski instructor training course.
As they were not allowed to travel from uk direct to Switzerland they went to France for 10 days to then cross the border from there
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In reply to Post #82
Illegally if they're UK residents and came over between the dates below, I've seen a lot of anger about this story.
Nothing I've seen about the story explains why they were there though, only that they were all students. All the ski lifts are shut in France.
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In reply to Post #81
How did these get over on holiday?
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210122-covid-19-british-tourists-quarantined-in-french-alps-after-14-test-positive
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In reply to Post #80
Correct, there's been a ban in any non residents travelling into France from the UK since the 20th of December - and it was also not allowed for most (except those travelling for business) from the 31st of October to the 15th of December due to France being in Lockdown.
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In reply to Post #79
Not on holidays you can't
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In reply to Post #78
Can't see any relevance to cross channel travel. You can go today if you meet the travel regs of both governments.
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In todays Daily telegraph:
Travel latest news: Spanish holidays may not return until 'the end of summer'. Holidays to Spain could be off the menu this summer as Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said he did not expect to welcome back tourists until most of the country had been vaccinated.
Not looking good for our pilgrimage to France until at least late summer
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In reply to Post #76
Do Friday night at a cheap hotel around Orleans or chateauroux and arrive fresh Saturday morning.
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In reply to Post #72
Went meadow lake in August lovely place but a proper trek down there!
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In reply to Post #71
Further detail on ‘taking bait to Europe’ thread in this section.
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In reply to Post #73
Pretty easy to get a PCR test at a local laboratory. My father had one. It's free in France. Not sure about charges for foreign visitors. They do a different test at most pharmacies for 20 euros and takes 20 minutes.
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In reply to Post #72
I wonder how it is going to work having to have a negative covid test to return to the UK after your trip. No doubt the test will have to be officially done so will require a trip somewhere to get one and the cost implications as someone will want paying for it. I'm out in September hopefully but who know's.
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In reply to Post #1
Have booked Meadow lake, part of Mirror pool group for June this year.
Hoping that the travel ban will be lifted by then and a covid test will be easier to access, as I expect we will still need negative tests for most of this year when travelling abroad.
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Hi,
Has anyone got any update on the mount of bait you can take to France. For your own personal use.
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In reply to Post #69
Wonder how much delay they'll be at the ports now that every UK passport will need an entry and then exit stamp at passport control? Fridays and Saturdays could be interesting 😂
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Travelling in a car with a few suitcases, holidaymakers won't see much of a change. Travelling in a van stocked up with boilies and food could very well be a different matter. There will now be a 20kg limit on bait and a prohibition on meat and dairy products - for bait containing meat/dairy or in unmarked bags I'm unsure where that will fall.
https://www.douane.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/2020-12/23/Brochure-voyageurs-Brexit-23122020.pdf
But of course much of how this will effect anglers travelling over will depend upon whether or not the Douane actually police these new rules and what the penalties will be if caught flouting them.
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In reply to Post #67
I flew before the EU , not a problem
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In reply to Post #64
The word “ Hopefully “ was used in a glass half full sort of way
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In reply to Post #62
The 90/180 rule won't be a problem for anglers. Easy for an international driving permit, 5 quid at the post office. I can see them maybe having a similar set up at airports as they do with Switzerland. You'll notice at passport control it says EU and Swiss passports and then all others. Bit if luck it will be EU, Swiss and UK in future.
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In reply to Post #63
Good idea being in Tier 4.
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In reply to Post #62
Your current EHIC card is valid until the expiry date on it . After that they are talking about a similar arrangement , the main difference being that it won’t cover pre existing conditions .
The 90 day limit isn’t really a problem for 90 % of people who go to France etc.
Yes , we will have to que in a different line for passports etc but that’s not a major ..
I expect an International driving licence and vehicle green card will be the only real difference most people will notice .
I fish in France a fair bit ( just back a few days ago ) and I really don’t think the situation is going to be a major ... I’ll let you know though as I’m hopefully heading back over on the 6th 😄
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In reply to Post #61
Hi,
Can not imagine travelling in Europe getting easier. the big change that I see is that you will be only allowed to spend 90 days in Europe in a rolling 12 months after that you will need to apply for a Visa.
No more European Health Insurance card. probably means more expensive holiday insurance.
Back to the old additional driving "licence". that we once got from the post office.
If we fly we will probably have to stand in the other queue.
Wonder if the EU brings back the landing cards ?
Don't think we need to worry about any of this for many months. I am 65 plus & diabetic when I look online I see that there are 9.9M to 12.3M ahead of me in the vaccination queue. If all goes well I get my jab late March 2021.
Cheers
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Now we have a free trade deal with the EU it's going to be a lot easier travelling to France.
It's just Covid that is the issue now....
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In reply to Post #59
Increase in paperwork , increase in waiting times , increase in speeding fines 😁 , but not enough to stop people travelling to the theatre of dreams for a week a year .
There may be need for covid negative checks , but this covid has a long way to run , and shows in complete contrast to France we are a very over populated rock in the north sea .
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I will be living in France after Christmas, so shouldn’t be an issue for me. I would love to take up all your dates but I couldn’t afford it.
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In reply to Post #57
I doubt you need to worry as I don’t think anyone will be going at this rate
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Well if I can't take bait to France next year I won't be fishing there again. The lakes I fish don't sell bait or tackle and I would not be even sure we will be allowed to take particles either?
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In reply to Post #55
Thanks for clearing that one up 
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In reply to Post #52
France is the world's most visited country by tourists. Spain is actually number one for British tourists.
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In reply to Post #52
I am sure that you are right Ash, however until the Brexit shambles finally sorted out nothing can be known regarding future travel restrictions. I feel that without doubt there will be a bit more paperwork needed and restrictions on what 'food stuff' can be taken across the border but at the moment It is the Covid issues that are foremost in formulating travel rules. It is a case of 'watch this space' and hope that common sense prevails.
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“From 1 January 2021 you will not be able to bring POAO (products of animal origin) such as those containing meat or dairy (eg a ham and cheese sandwich) into the EU,” the official guidance states.
There’s an article all about this in the Guardian today
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In reply to Post #48
Think that sounds more like it Jim. I'm sure i read last year that France is the UK's most visited country and as such the French are not likely to crush their own economy by stopping the vast majority of Brits travelling to their country surely. I would assume like you that there will be several caveats linked to travel plans but would imagine that they will all be within reach of anyone under 55. I may well be way off the mark but economic suicide surely won't be high on Macron's agenda????
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It’s going to be interesting trying to take bait to France next year...
https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/animalproducts/personal_imports_en
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In reply to Post #49
and lets not forget that it hasn't been proven yet that even vaccinated people dont carry and transmit virus... at the moment it has been only proven that they dont get heavily sick! So at the moment all rules apply the same for people being vaccinated or not... it is gonna be a crazy year again... all I know is I am going to France fishing in January and February if my car doesnt brake down again  looks like quarantine and/or test after fishing abroad will be the norm for some time now so my hopes are in fast, reliable and available testing to be honest. edited: - really shuldnt write that, lights just came up on my dashboard as I was driving girls to school, dont know if I should laugh or cry
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In reply to Post #47
That seems about right. It's obvious when you think about it.
It's a massive logistics and resource exercise. It's obvious to anybody with a modicum of common sense that if your not on a priority list (so not over 55 and or not on the at risk list) it will almost certainly be the later part of 2021 at the earliest before the vaccine is available to you.
If the protection period is less than say 8 or so months, then by the time the "at risk" and vulnerable are vaccinated, they will have to start again with them. Pushing the rest of us down the list and the timescales.
Many countries are now ONLY allowing you to enter with a negative Covid test obtained no longer than 72 hours before arrival. (example South Africa).
At the moment there is no entry into Australia or NZ, so it does not seem much of an obvious extension to the current policy being adopted by some countries that a Covid Vaccination card will be needed prior to entry.
People are being massively over optimistic with this issue of vaccination, which has been a feature of the approach adopted to Covid by most people since March!
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In reply to Post #47
I feel that common sense will prevail if inoculation is not widely available and it is possible that a Covid test may be all that is required. In the longer term it is possible that those people that refuse to be inoculated may severely have their travel plans affected. Early days yet so all we can do is hope that things will begin to improve in the new year.
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In reply to Post #46
dont know about uk after brexit now... as far as I know the most positive estimations for eu are that by april countries will get vaccine for cca 15% of population. CCa 60% people have to be vaccinated for the vaccine to stop virus so if those numbers are true we can expect some sort of lock downs till end of 2021. The only problem is no one knows how long vaccine is affective for, for now they say it should be up to 1 year at least so if it is only 1 year than people getting it in 2021 will already have to be vaccinated again in 2022 etc... Many issues could be saved by quick reliable tests... I have more hope for them than vaccine to be honest...
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In reply to Post #45
Where are you getting these timescales from? And if you are that "in the know" then as an under 55 with an underlying condition which meant I had shielding letters etc, when can I expect to recieve it?
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In reply to Post #44
Then they won't be able to travel. Anywhere!
And if they refuse it doesn't mean you jump the queue.
It's a huge exercise requiring massive resources. Even the little glass vials it goes in are in short supply.
People are massively underestimating the scale and timescales required for this programme. Add to that the fact its being managed by the British Govt (Bojo and Hand-cock-up) and I don't have much hope (remember "world beating track and trace" and "we will see the back of this disease in 12 weeks", PPE, care homes, Brexit, basically anything they touch!) and you can see why it may take some time. It would be a huge project taking a lot of time even if competent people were in charge.
As I said. If you are under 55 it's unlikely that you will get called up to receive tour vaccination until the later part of 2021 at the earliest. Its up to you if you refuse it. But it will be offered in order of priority.
So don't hold your breath!
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In reply to Post #43
65m people won't be getting it though. Many will refuse it
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In reply to Post #40
Jim,
I agree with you regarding the Covid inoculation certification being required. I recon that will be necessary to go anywhere. Unfortunately given the scale of the project anybody under 55 won't be getting their inoculation until late 2021 or possibly 2022 IMO! It's just a huge project requiring massive resources to inoculate 65M people, that is 130m doses!!
So that may well restrict most travellers for next year.
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In reply to Post #41
I'm due out in may so got some time yet,theres 4 in my party 3 are retired so hopefully they will have there Vaccine b4 we go but I'm not holding my breath.
Uncertain times at the moment
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In reply to Post #36
A visa will not be need for travel to France for less than 90 days after Brexit. A Covid inoculation certificate will probably be need for travel to France as well as the UK and many other countries. Health insurance will be needed and can be taken out as part of your general travel insurance for the week. The biggest issue could well be the extra time taken at customs both ends...we shall see.
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In reply to Post #11
Have just heard from the owner of the lake I am due to visit next year.
Unfortunately they have had to cancel my holiday as they are planning to de-silt the lake, remove the snags (there weren't that many anyway), and stock with some new fish. The uncertainty of Covid/Brexit has prompted them to make this decision.
She has carried over my payment from this year, so I have a weeks fishing in 2022 in what should be a much improved venue.
I was offered a full refund of my money now if I didn't want to wait, but I'll wait. The venue is that good.
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In reply to Post #1
By sheer luck when I fished last year I decided on the lake to have a year off so I missed this year.
Have booked back on for next September - £100 deposit and pay on arrival so will see how it goes.
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In reply to Post #36
You won't need a visa for short trips like a week or two.
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There is every chance that travel to France will be subject to proof of Covid vaccination as well as valid health insurance and visa ,there are probably countless other hoops you will need to travel to the EU states after the 31st of December,but these are three i have read in a study into traveling to the EU next year, the amount of hoops will depend on the deal we make, so i wouldn't count ya chickens for next year just yet
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In reply to Post #1
Had a trip in April cancelled. Moved to October. Now June next year. The lake concerned is Clay Lakes. They have been really good about this all. I’m great full.
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In reply to Post #32
That's all that matters at the end of the day!
I think the whole vaccine before travel is a slippery slope. There will be so many variables and exceptions, that it will make it pointless having that rule, especially if other countries don't follow suit.
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In reply to Post #31
Thank you David, but It is what it is. I have my health, as do my family. In the grand scheme of things having that and a roof over my head with the bills paid is all that matters, I'm sorry for those who haven't had a smoother ride through this. I've had 2 France trips cancelled to due to both the first and second lockdown. The latest cancellation for the family holiday is for April 2021! I don't see the logic, but then again logic has been lost a few times through this. Strange times.
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In reply to Post #30
That’s one way of looking at it. I go because I enjoy it.
With the vaccines on the horizon it’s looking more positive. The quarantine period is being cut to 5 days. I do wonder if they’ll make you have the vaccine to travel.
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In reply to Post #30
Sorry to hear that you have had 3 holidays cancelled and the last was April, is that next April or last April? I have had 2 holidays cancelled this year (non fishing) and great difficulty in getting my money back, but eventually I have. I would like to think that the majority of people who booked fishing trips in France are satisfied by what they have been offered as compensation for their cancelled trip?
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In reply to Post #1
There really is no point in booking anything at present. I've booked and rebooked a family holiday 3 times now and had it cancelled on all occasions, the latest being for April!. Judging by the posts on here, these pay lakes make their own rules up as they go and you're taking a massive risk with your money, as they have the ability to say "soz, we have bills to pay too". Never understood why you would want to go to a different country only to be surrounded by english people, on an english run lake, waiting for Dorris in the wooden clubhouse to ring the dinner bell only to be handed a cold fry up, but each to their own I guess!
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In reply to Post #28
My avatar 6 years ago was going to put it back but the owner insisted I had a pic so him and another placed it in my arms with mats all around as been after it for 4 years .
He knew I was crocked .
A 20 lb fish is my limit for picking them up .
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In reply to Post #27
Sorry to hear that m8.
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In reply to Post #26
Well we can live in hope , as for me my days are over lifting them up as arthritis has put a stop to that 😔
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In reply to Post #25
Of course, certainly hope so, as that will be when my next (and probably last) trip is booked to France. Trying to lift big carp (if you catch them) is a young mens sport!
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In reply to Post #24
Really David you honestly believe that .
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In reply to Post #23
Maybe even 2022?
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I think 2030 will be well safe 👍
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As I've lost over £500 on trips this year and not wet a line I'm very wary of ever going again. If I do, I'll need guarantees from the lake owner on what will happen if this nightmare continues, or, happens again.
Some lake owners need to remember it's us, the paying customer who gives them money, take the p?ss and expect me to do it again???
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We had to cancel our August trip this year but moved it to Sept next. It's a catch 22, but If it was me I'd be very wary of booking to go pre May, which isn't great if you like pre spawn weights.
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Luckily enough I didn’t book anything this year as it was my 50th and my wife took me away in February.
We booked up for next April but was so unsure of how things are going to be we cancelled it.
I’ve bought a boat on the river instead 🎣🎣👍
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In reply to Post #1
My trip this may was obviously cancelled, fair play to lac desire they moved the dates to 2021 but i dont think they can move then again.
Just hoping things improve in the spring and will all get to go!
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In reply to Post #1
I think I would be asking the question (what happens if we have another lockedown )before I laid out anymore money
I would rather just lose a deposit than all of it
Check your insurance policy will have some kind of cover on it as well
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In reply to Post #16
My trip to woods was moved to March 2022
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In reply to Post #1
Lost a week this year on Goncourt Woodslake but they were amazing and moved me to the end of Aug 2021. With this place being so busy, I was amazed I got a 2021 week at all! Fabulous service and fingers crossed all this craziness will have abated by then. We can only hope!
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In reply to Post #1
We lost a trip to beaurepaire in oct, and got it moved to march , also going to bills lake 1 in sept next year
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In reply to Post #13
52 acre one run/owned by Ross mate 😊
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In reply to Post #7
BullyLFC is that Olivier's Farm Lake? You should check the booking because he was on Facebook saying he was giving up the lake for various reasons.
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In reply to Post #9
It’s a worry with Abbey Dave as they were not that helpful .
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In reply to Post #1
My trip this year was obviously cancelled, but the lake owner concerned just moved my booking to the corresponding week next year. Fingers crossed it will go ahead. God knows what will happen should it be cancelled again.
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I lost €300 this year. I'm expecting an invoice for 50% of the 2021 fee any day now for a trip in May. I'm going to have to pay otherwise I lose my annual repeat slot on a great lake.
I had a good annual holiday policy via Zurich but they rejected my claim, saying it was an unforseen catastrophe. I'd paid £150 for 2 for an upgraded annual policy last October well before Covid. *******s
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In reply to Post #3
We have to pay the balance to abbey in jan. I was thinking of this today, what do we do.?
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Island lake moved from November this year to June next year
Lake serene in September
Island lake again in October 👍
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We were originally booked on the farm lake for Sept, asked to move it to 7th Nov, obviously we couldn't make that date either... Have now moved it to Sept 2021, so much appreciated by us to the farm lake for letting us do this.
Our group has not lost any money 😊...
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I'm booked on an angling lines venue for July, hopefully it will be OK but if not they were excellent with changing dates this year so would hope they'd be the same next year if this craps still going on 🤞
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I am booked for a trip in Sept next year. Hopefully the situation will have settled down by then but who knows!!!!!!
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In reply to Post #1
I lost one trip this year and quite a few quid.
For the first time in a long time i have nothing booked for the following year and will be booking next years trip just a month before i want to go just in case all this nonsence is still going on.
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In reply to Post #1
I would be very cautious after losing a couple of trips this year .
Managed to move one to March 2022 but the other one was lost altogether.
See what their policy is with moving / cancelling / refunding trips .
Good luck
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What’s peoples thoughts on paying for trips booked for next year?
Just been asked to pay the deposit on a trip I’ve got booked.
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