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In reply to Post #629
I'm chuffed with mine, only used it the once but goes up quickly, appears to be well built and does everything I want it to. Has a couple of nice touches like phone pockets built in. It was dry when I used it so can't comment on how it copes with bad weather but I've got no reason to suspect it would have any issues. I've got the vapour peak but didn't bother fitting this and did have some light condensation so will probably use it in future.
Mine is the X version and I won it in a competition but if I was buying myself I'd probably opt for the XD. The X isn't too small it just I like lots of room - was contemplating buying a 2 man bivvy before I won this one.
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In reply to Post #627
That's a bargain isn't it, thick end of £900 for the XD without the inner capsule or the overwrap 
Given the choice again I'd still buy the plain one.
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Any views from owners on the Frontier yet?
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In reply to Post #627
Cheers for that 
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In reply to Post #626
https://www.anglingdirect.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?q=fox%20frontier%20&sortBy=live_ad_uk_products_created_at_desc
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In reply to Post #622
Where did you see the Camo version , do you have a link
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In reply to Post #624
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In reply to Post #623
I’m in no rush for a new bivvy, either of my 3 tempests should see me through til 2023 😂😂
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In reply to Post #622
Not in a rush for a new bivvy then I take it,will probably be here early 2023 
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Talked myself into getting one of these but I’ve just seen the camo version so will be waiting for them to hit the shops
Obviously being limited edition there is a premium to pay 🙄
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I had a result on Friday and won a Frontier X plus the vapour peak on one of those competition websites 
Supposed to be being sent out tomorrow and should be with me on Thursday. Hopefully I'll give it a go at the weekend but if anyone has any questions or wants pics etc I'll try to help
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In reply to Post #619
Fault was on the inside in 2 places there was no double stitching but you couldn't see that on the outside, this was clearly a factory fault.
My new Frontier Xd also has a few other things eg on the window where you can put the elastic through the hole now has a metal ring my previous Xd didn't have this
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In reply to Post #618
Did you notice the stitching faults before they popped? You were full of praise for it before it broke.
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In reply to Post #616
Monday morning bivvy...the new one have no stitching faults.
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In reply to Post #616
I've never owned one before, but I can tell you now, if there's any dodgy stitching on what's heading to me, it won't be with me very long.
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In reply to Post #612
Didn't the stitching on your Frontier bust and you had to get a replacement?!
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In reply to Post #614
I ended up with the XD, vapour peak and the full width mozzy door. If I like it I'll pickup the inner capsule and overwrap in time for winter. It will be out with me next week so I can let you know what I think. Might have to keep the 200 for the odd ocassion the misses comes along but I might have to finallly flog my Mk3 2 Man double top otherwise I'll need a bigger house.
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In reply to Post #613
be interested in your thoughts when you get it out and in action
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In reply to Post #612
I've gone for the XD. Bit smaller than my 200 and should fit comfortably in my target venues 👍
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In reply to Post #611
Xd over the T150 for me.
-Posts 554 you can see my XD with inner capsule (same space inside as the X)
-Post 504 Xd vs Termpest150
-post 458 for xd inside pics with bedchair and door height.
Edit: Do you need the Camo Mozzy Mesh full front? The Xd comes standard with a Closed/windowed and Mozzy mesh door.
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In reply to Post #610
Ok so these have started to appear randomly and I have been thinking hard about buying one. Infact, I almost pressed the button on one last night knowing how scarce these things are. I'm looking at the XD.
However, I have the tempest 200 with all the bits - although it's a bit big for a few of the waters I fish, a Nash Mk3 2 man with the winter skin - a bit dated now and not as quick to erect/dismantle and a very old Powerplus Professional which ocassionally gets used in winter.
At the moment the XD, with the vapour peak and mossy mesh is going to set me back £730.
The supplier had 3 this morning, 5 yesterday.
Earlier this year I was also looking at the Tempest 150 (£799) as an alternative to the XD I liked the options on it, and the material.
If you had to choose between the T150 and the XD what would you do?
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Store told me I was the first one to get a new replacement when the are back in stock (,expected date was end of june) a week later the store called me to refund my money, Fox told the store that the next new delivery is expected at the earliest 04-22, I found another shop in Belgium that had 1 XD, the last one in the whole country.
No idea what the reason is the store doesn't know either, maybe something to do with the Ever Given.
If you are from Belgium/Holland and want the Frontier/Frontier x Carpcube have some in stock.(3x Frontier, 1 x Frontier x)
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In reply to Post #608
No stock in Belgium shops, everyone waiting for delivery.
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In reply to Post #606
I think foxes problem is having their distribution centre in Belgium
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In reply to Post #606
Seriously? It would help if Fox actually turned around a put something out saying when they're expecting delivery - have one on order for ages now and I hate hassling the shop I bought it from as I know it's not their fault
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In reply to Post #605
been told 3 weeks now??
Not sure why its taking Fox so long when other companies seem to be getting stock in.
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Anyone no when the next batch of x are in please
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Im hoping they bring out a PORCH extension for the Frontiers ,
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In reply to Post #601
Shop in Belgium and it was the last one (Het loze vissertje)
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In reply to Post #599
Zinno, what shop did you the new frontier?
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In reply to Post #599
Don't matter which manufacturer you buy from you will always have the odd issue.. This frontier is phenonemal bit of kit and I think its superb. Best bivvy on the market imo. Value for money second to none
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Call me stupid but i have a new Frontier XD
The shop I spoke to yesterday sent me today that it was the R-series Xl which had many returned and not the Frontier... in the shop i checked the new Xd with the shop maneger and I see a difference in the stitching so it seems i was unlucky with my previous Xd,
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In reply to Post #594
What good quality it WAS,you said it right there.I had a Nash Titan that I loved but the stitching went on that,it was a pegging point near the framework.I think any shelter can have issues,Fox,Trakker,Nash,Aqua all of them have had issues.Its the customer service you receive after that goes along way imo 👍
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In reply to Post #596
I have no problem with the field testing if there was nothing wrong I had a top bivvy and there is 2 year warranty, got my money back and can buy something else.
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Just sit back and wait for the mark 2 to arrive, lets face it we have all done it rushed and bought the newest concept that has just been released!!
Only to find that it wasnt as good as you thought it would be!! and you are actually doing the real world field testing of a mass produced product IMHO.
I know i cetainly did when i bought a brand new fox supa brolly back in the late 80's when they first came out and ended up taking it back to the shop twice for replacements.
I guess Patience is a Virtue that you only learn from with experience 
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In reply to Post #594
Well it was till last week, and the concept is still great.
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In reply to Post #593
You were the one bigging it up right from the start saying what a great bivvy and good quality it was.
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In reply to Post #592
Was worth a try
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In reply to Post #591
Told you it wouldn't last.......
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Photo link
My Frontier xd fault
Anyone who knows me knows I am very caring with my material, the double stitching is coming loose on my Xd think I will give the Trakker 100T a chance
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Bye bye frontier for me
Next new stock are expected 04/2022 due the many returns and problem.
Cloth is too tight and tears often, shop told me not to take Xd replacement but buy another brand of Bivvy.
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In reply to Post #588
Yea apparently shops will receive them this week
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See a frontier x for sale yesterday on fb selling page.
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In reply to Post #586
Next week I have heard but I think some shops have them in now.HF Angling in crewe have got some in but not sure on which models they have
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In reply to Post #585
Any news on when these are in Stock?
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In reply to Post #584
I never remove the front when packing down i only keep the door unzipped, vapour peak can also stay on it but i always remove it, time to take the peak off and put it back on is minimal.
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In reply to Post #581
Thanks mate that’s great, can they be packed down with the front zipped on and also vapour peak still on do you know?
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In reply to Post #582
Think it's happening with a few shelters at the moment,I know Spod has been waiting months for his Nash shelter
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In reply to Post #581
And out of stock everywhere in UK, time they come in the price will have gone up.
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In reply to Post #580
At 4:46 he shows how much space you have in the standard Frontier with the Fox Flatliner bed this one is 215 long I hink
Youtube Frontier
But I would always recommend minimum the Frontier X it's only 260x198.5 a lot smaller than most 1 man bivvies but inside still a large footprint compared to many other 1 mans
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Those of you that have the standard frontier, how are you finding the room at the back for the bed? I have a Nash mf60 which is 212cm long, am I right in thinking the bivvy will be too tight for the bed? Thanks
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Clip in groundsheet sucks anyway, i'm going to get one custom made with elastic peg points soon, i'm also going to have a window in the door made with camo mozzy mesh option.
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In reply to Post #576
I have packed the receiver away a couple of times ,luckily i remembered both times just before putting it in the bag ,
The groundsheet is at best medium, Not Heavy duty ., so i do expect to buy a new one sometime in the future ,other than that i cant fault it .
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Wtb Frontier XD Social cap
Hope they bring it on the market would be ideal in hot summer days for my son and me so he can sit/play underneath it out of the sun.
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I’ve had my frontier x since beginning of yr. Have to to say I couldn’t be happier with it, after seeing it 2 other lads on my syndicate have put orders in for one.
Only gripes are that I keep packing away leaving my receiver in one of the pockets, and I’ve had bivvys with thicker ground sheets, already seeing signs of a few pin ***** holes appearing
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In reply to Post #574
Smaller
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How does the compact compare to the tempest v2 after saying the fox x is larger
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In reply to Post #572
More useble space inside in the X due the flat back/side
-Posts 554 you can see my XD with inner capsule (same space inside as the X)
-Post 504 Xd vs Termpest150
-Post 507 Groundsheets Frontier x vs Trakker trakker advanced 100
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In reply to Post #570
Is the X really larger than the V2 bivvy? I’ve got the V2 bivvy and find it massive so bought the V2 brolly and find that a bit cramped especially height wise. Was contemplating selling both and getting the X as I thought it might be somewhere between the V2 brolly and bivvy. I might have a look at the smaller Frontier instead
Would like to find somewhere that has them on display really to have a proper look
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In reply to Post #570
Brilliant feedback for me as I have a v2 bivvy and keep considering the frontier x
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Can only echo what's already been said, really good bit of kit. I spent a week in May under mine in weather that can only be described as a compete wash out. Torrential rain almost every day. It performed brilliantly. I always thought the pockets and groundsheet flap were just gimmicky selling points but have to say I was wrong. They are genuinely useful.
I came from having owned a tempest v2 bivvy for years so here is a little comparison for anyone who may be interested.
The frontier x is larger and heavier to carry, there's no denying that. The tempest is definitely more portable.
The tempest is faster to set up. We're not talking a huge difference but it is definitely a bit quicker.
The tempest is also easier to put up. It fans out easier and doesn't require as much tension to assemble.
The quality of the Frontier is better, imo, in pretty much every way. The fabric is street's ahead of the tempest, feels thicker, no visable imperfections in the coating from inside like there was with my tempest. It's also much darker under the frontier.
The frontier has so much more usable space, and headroom. Considering the footprints are so similar, the frontier gives so much more usable floor space in front of the bedchair. If I don't take my pooch with me, the bivvy feels empty.
For me, the frontier is the better bivvy. Unless set up time and weight is everything to you, I don't think anyone would be disappointed coming from a tempest to the frontier. Well worth the small sacrifices for me. Much comfier for a long session and also perfect for short sessions if you don't use all the added extras.
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In reply to Post #568
To be fair they're only in the early stages of field testing.
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In reply to Post #567
Don't knock it as none have mentioned any leaks yet
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over half a thousand posts over a bivvy, what are we like
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In reply to Post #565
Hahaha I've done the same. The flap is really useful to be fair
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In reply to Post #564
😂😂😂 sort of thing that would actually happen to me that. I’ve Not read many negatives at all to be honest The x looks like it suits my needs, I actually like the look of the flap on the groundsheet as well good idea that for people that use them
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In reply to Post #560
Love mine, useable space is excellent, I have the x and it’s ideal, nice height, had it out in some awful weather and it’s been faultless, just don’t forget to get your car keys out the little pocket before packing it up 😂😂
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In reply to Post #562
Yes mate I've got the x model and it's perfect...
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In reply to Post #561
Good to hear. When they start getting them back in stock I’m gonna go for the x model, I rreally like the look of them
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In reply to Post #560
Amazing bit of kit, had out in torrential rain and no issues. Strong and stable, easy to put up and take down, pockets inside really useful... Internal space is spot on...
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How are people that managed to get one of these getting on with them ?
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In reply to Post #558
I gave up waiting for the Frontier
Bought a Sonik AXS instead
Saved me over £300 and what a great bivvy!
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Seems like it’s a choice between
The Titan hide, small, compact, sleeping bag touches the side and the lowest H head 
Tempest 100 who’s build quality is utter ***** no doubt
Or the fox compact, 20,000mm H head that weighs a ****ing ton
Think I’m will wait for the Mk 17 
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In reply to Post #556
24th January be is latest info I've had
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In reply to Post #555
I read somewhere the next delivery is June. Can’t remember where I saw it
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Any word on when new stock is going to be in the shops? I see late April being quoted but getting nothing definite
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In reply to Post #550
No
Funny, I have more space in my Xd with a Trakker oval bed 210 x 93 + Junior bed than with a standard bedchair of 200 x 80 + Junior bed.
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In reply to Post #549
Material is top class IMO
Not the same thickness as the bag...!!! As has been suggested
although the bag appears the same material colour it isn’t as thick.
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In reply to Post #550
I dont think the XD was designed as a 2 person ,but i suspect you could at a squeez get two bedchairs in their but thats about all you would get in their.
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In reply to Post #214
Is the XD a 2 person sized bivvy?
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In reply to Post #104
Do you find the material the Titan T1/2’s are made of are strong enough, water resistant enough? The newer bivvys seem to be going with a thicker more waterproof material? It’s the only thing putting me off buying a Titan this week
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In reply to Post #30
I thought the Nash Titan had one of the weaker materials out there?
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In reply to Post #546
Ye definitely the one I’d go for, could be my next purchase
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In reply to Post #545
I'd recommend the X. It's only about 10cm larger than standard so not much difference. Also gives you additional features like 4 vents instead of 2 etc.
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Really like the look of these, when I first seen them I thought if I was getting one I would definitely go for the standard but the more I see them I think now I would go with the X just for the extra space. I actually quite like fox stuff from rods (12ft 3lb horizon x love them) to the explorer barrow which is great,to bivvies and brollies I’ve never had a problem with there products and that includes a Supa Brolly which I know a lot of people had issues with, luckily mine never leaked 
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In reply to Post #538
It’s abit snug but I prefer a smaller bivvy coming from a brolly so doesn’t really bother me. I’m not touching the side though. However I am struggling with the infill. It doesn’t seem to be made right. Pegging it down is pretty much impossible. The pegging points are too far up or it’s not been made long enough. Not sure if it’s something I’ve done or weather they are all like it
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In reply to Post #538
At the back of the Xd you have 235 cm left in the width, the X is 260 so it will have 225 cm left, the standard is 250 cm , which will have 215cm left
A 210cm long bedchair with sleeping bag will hit the edges in de standard frontier, solution get a shorter bedchair, there is no logic in putting a big bedchair in a narrow bivvy.
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In reply to Post #541
Parkfield are sold out at £549 I paid £499 from rodsandlines online..
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In reply to Post #539
Parkfield angling, not sure on stock though
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In reply to Post #539
Monstamunch I found an X a few weeks back just checked their site none in stock it was the only place I found one and not seen any on other sites for a while now.
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Where's the cheapest place to order one from currently gents? Was let down massily on my order so looking to place elsewhere. I'm after the model X.
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In reply to Post #537
How's the bedchair in the standard frontier? Seen a few on YouTube and it looks like there touching the sides
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In reply to Post #536
Just been to collect mine today went for the standard frontier. Really impressed with it. After going through so many bivvies second hand thought I’d treat myself with a new one. Glad I did plenty of room in there for everything I take. Goes up in about a minute. Overall well impressed
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In reply to Post #535
Huh?
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Surpasses the kettle thread.
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In reply to Post #533
mine didn't have the book I feel cheated ..
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In reply to Post #530
Love how they included a fancy instruction book but forgot to include the button press to unlock the middle pole. I spent about 15 minutes trying to workout how to take it down 
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In reply to Post #531
lol.
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In reply to Post #530
With your comment its a tempest
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In reply to Post #529
Fox did a video on this its up now on youtube.
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In reply to Post #528
I dont think anyone is moaning that the bag is oversized so it can easily fit the bivvy and bits in, nor that the dimensions aren't as stated. It was only mentioned because someone had asked about the pack down size. It's just a big bivvy when folded down and is one of the only negatives it has imo, youre never going to get a product with no cons
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In reply to Post #526
Tesco bags! There's posh. Big bivvies and big bits of gear are definitely problematic but being fair that's not the manufacturers fault. In this case Nash and Fox have responded to customer feedback and praise is due imho. On longer sessions I prefer to be warm dry and comfortable so choose the gear that provides what I want. I know it's weight, dimensions and performance before I buy. Can't complain when it arrives and is exactly as stated. Mind you I do think having a good moan about pushing heavy gear a mile through mud and brambles is good for the soul.
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In reply to Post #525
I think it's pretty clear.
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In reply to Post #520
I agree the large bags brilliant and hated squeezing them back into undersized bags. My point was that with a big bivvy on the top of the barrow it makes it hard to also get the rod bag on there too. Maybe it’s my barrow or way I’m loading it but nothing to to with looks. The Tesco bags hanging from the side see to that.
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In reply to Post #520
What are you waffling on about
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In reply to Post #523
With regard to bivvy lighting I may well be ahead of the game. Was gifted a set of caravan awning lights with power pack, remote including dimmer. 4 x 12ins tubes and plenty of cable. Wouldn't have bought it at £300 plus including power pack but on long sessions in the Titan it's great. Apart from the power pack it packs down into a hard tube about 3 ins x 18 ins and weighs about 500gm.
The self guiding anti coot/tufty turret fitted to the barrow with AI radar guidance package for drones and stealth bait boats with laser and ultrasound weapons has had to go.
Just too heavy at 600kg. The deterrent alarm system remains classified at this time.
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In reply to Post #520
Assume you haven’t got spinners and neon under lighting on your barrow then? Get with the times mate. Send me your waders and I’ll bedazzle them for you. You’ll soon change your mind
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In reply to Post #520
Fox continental easy dome is the one you want, now that was a big bag 
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For years we have anglers complaining that the carry bags supplied with bivvies are too small and once you have unrolled a bivvy from new it is a real b*gger to get it back in the bag.
Some manufacturers listen and provide spacious bags that are easy to use and will hold ancillary gear like storm poles and wraps. Top marks Nash and it seems Fox as well.
But no, not good enough because "it doesn't look good on my barrow." or "it looks like a body bag" along with "the black finish on my banks sticks wore off, I won't be using that company again."
Gordon effing Bennett.
I want info on the product with regard to carp angling not a review of the models on the runway at the latest international carp couture soiree.
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In reply to Post #517
I have the X, and wanting to sell that to buy the XD ,
IMO the Frontier is excellent all round
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In reply to Post #514
I have the X and must say the bag is very big, the only negative I have of the bivvy so far. Hopefully that is the only negative ill have!
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In reply to Post #513
I'm assuming you don't like it,is that why you are selling it
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In reply to Post #515
Thanks. I’ll measure the T1 in the morning to see how it stacks up.
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In reply to Post #514
Bag is indeed big: 155 x 26 x 26, but it doesn't bother me because everything goes in easily.
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In reply to Post #513
I really fancy the XD but having watched a few videos on YouTube it looks like the bag is huge. I have a Titan T1 at the moment but I hate the bag being so big. With that on the top of my barrow it doesn’t leave much room for my rods and sends the balance all out.
Does anyone know how the 2 compare or even better have side by side pics.
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How are people finding ,putting the XD up when connecting the three clip in front poles
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In reply to Post #511
Fox R Series XL was a big fail bivvy series, there is even a shop here that has stopped selling it and brought back its stock.
The funny thing about the xl 1 man is 295 x 235 and I don't get a bedchair + junior bed in it, Frontier Xd is smaller on the outside and I get a bedchair + junior bed in it
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In reply to Post #510
Same as me bud I had a fox r series before my tempest it was a great bivvy but it took so long to put up and was a pain to move onto the fish, I always wanted a taller quick bivvy so was happy when they finally started making them
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In reply to Post #509
I agree. I had a two man bivvy before and it was huge and hard to put up alone. At the time it seemed a good idea but in the long term it was just a lot of effort and made me not want to go. The frontier is up in 3 minutes and is half a meter smaller in length and width so I'm loving it so far. I know it's not a small bivvy but like you I'm 6ft 3 and anything smaller would be too small for me.
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I’m always a bit confused why some people want such huge footprints, I use a tempest 100t because I’m 6ft3 but the footprint is huge for me. I put my rodholdall and bivvy bag under my bedchair, other than my tackle bag which goes in the corner of the bivvy and my food bag in the little triangle behind my bedchair. My chair goes on the right side of the bivvy in front of my bedchair, how much more room do you really need? I use this for everything from 48hrs to a week more than enough for me
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In reply to Post #507
Interesting seeing the floor space difference between the 100 and the X. The 100 is trakkers smallest bivvy in that range (if you exclude the brolly styles) and the X is still small that the trakker, admittedly only slightly. My X seems pretty large inside without I actually being that big.
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That's what I like about the Frontier Xd, even though it's only 270 x 210, it has a very large footprint inside
Tempest Composite is 265cm x 210cm, Xd is only 5 cm wider but inside difference is massive.
This is the photo someone posted on Fb:
Frontier x vs Trakker trakker advanced 100
X vs 100
Xd yes if you want you can get 2 beds in it but you have to store all your stuff under the bedchairs and it will feel cramped (That's not the definition of a 2 man bivvy for me)
The Xd is perfect for 1 bedchair and 1 junior bed, or if you go alone (with dog) you have a luxurious inner space without a bivvy that is +275 wide
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In reply to Post #505
i would say looking at them photos, there more like two man than one and a half man ?
i have the original composite tempest, and that's definitely more like a one and a half man,
then two look massive like you say
i was looking at getting a new bivvy, but they look too big for me
so looks like i'll keep the composite for now, as i need a bit more room due to a bad back, and at the moment dodgy knee
i can't remember the measurements of the composite ?
but i would definitely say its in between the 100 and 150, and the fox frontier and frontier x
unless someone knows different what the sizes are ?
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In reply to Post #504
Those are both massive 1 man bivvies , you guys on the continent seem to use far bigger bivvies than we in the UK tend to so what you refer to as small really aren't in the grand scheme of things
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In reply to Post #503
Trakker 150 photo comes from Youtube movie: Choosing The Right Tempest Bivvy or Brolly for Your Carp Fishing (2.14min)
Frontier Xd photo I just set up in my living room
Tempest 150 vs Frotier XD Setup
https://ibb.co/pryJTDY
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In reply to Post #502
The frontier xd is not a small bivvy, it's biggest in the range of three.
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In reply to Post #500
Ofc the T150 has more floor space but not alot, we are talking about two 1 man bivvies that are 315x 255 vs 270 x 210, XD gives a lot of space for a small bivvy, T150 doesn't give much extra space for such a large bivvy compared to the XD, the high and flat back/sides of the Xd also make a huge difference in space.
My previous 1 man bivvy: quest tackle defier is 280 x 225 bedchair 210 x 80 with sleeping bag hit the sides with the Xd I still have 20cm of space left, measured from the bechair to middle door I only had 65 cm left with the Defier, XD i have 117cm left...
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In reply to Post #500
That's where I put my rucksack, fits perfectly.
My tempest would be perfect if the back was 20cm higher instead of sloping down that much. That's what the frontier improved on
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In reply to Post #498
Zinno, this phrase you use "usable floor space". Surely all floor space is usable if you choose to use it?
If you are referring to the space behind the bedchair in a tempest why is it not usable
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In reply to Post #495
The Titan is well designed and the fabric is decent it’s expensive and one of the better bivvies on the current market. I’ve been looking at bivvies for several years even saw the review of the Fox before buying a Titan, I’m not saying the Titan is better than the Fox I have a Powerplus that is better. The Titan for me can be a sturdy Brolly through the a full session Bivvy with the extreme canopy.
Ahhh “The Covid”, reading your post reminds me of snatch.
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In reply to Post #497
Between the Frontier Xd and Tempest 150 with a standard bedchair in it (not oval) the remaining floor space is not that much of a difference despite the fact that the XD is 45 cm less wide and 45cm less deep
One of the reasons I didn't want the T150 was: when I go fishing alone I don't want a bivvy that is 315cm wide, there are 2 man bivvies that are less wide, and despite the width of 315 the usable floor space inside is not that big because of the V-shapes, personally for me 315 cm wide is too much for a 1/1.5 man bivvy
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In reply to Post #496
There seems to be a hard sell based upon a flat back bivvy gives you more space. It doesn't, what it does do if you put your bed at the back is give you all the available space at the front.
A tempest type bivvy gives you space both at the front and back. Suits some you know.
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Was bored and put the Frontier in the living room , will return the inner capsule because it is unnecessary for me, have a Samsung S20 pro turned on the flashlight and placed it on the canvas on the outside you don't see any light through the canvas on the inside
I'm going to keep Vapour peak with velco on sides/back it's is ver fast to take off, and it is an upgrade for when it rains, for against sunlight unnecessary
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In reply to Post #494
Would never think the Titan t1 as quality it’s at a quality price like a lot of inflated priced carp tackle I think your right it’s the COVID people are not spending like they were as I’ve always said if people don’t buy they will have no choice but to drop the price looks like it’s been done for us looks like the gravy train might be over
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In reply to Post #493
Interesting, I was surprised to see the Titan t1s in various guises on the bay. obviously taking a hit I wonder if it’s to the financially changing/challenging circumstances that people are facing as opposed to the quality of the product rather than quality of product.
Either way it’s a concern
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Seeing more and more of these popping up for sale
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In reply to Post #491
Thanks for taking time to explain they are very expensive carp fishing has gone mad with prices I hope that no one has any problems at that price I didn’t like the plastic joints on the legs and the way it clicks in at front be worried about it breaking on the fox tbh
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In reply to Post #490
Frontier is alot higher.
Footprint inside will be roughly the same between the XD and the Tempest 150
So you have 1 a higher bivvy and 2 a bivvy that is only 270cm wide vs Tempest 150 which is 315 wide.
There is a photo, think on fb with Frontier and Tempest groundsheet on top of each other, you can see that the Frontier which is less wide outside still gives a lot of space inside due to the flat/high sides and back
in a Tempest, you should actually use a Oval bedchair, these are specially made to create extra space in your Tempsest, with a normal bed it's ridiculous how much space you lose with V shape bivvy models.
Don't get me wrong I would also be happy with a Tempest, but I am even happier that there is finally a 1.5 man bivvy on the market that is high and has a door height of 143 cm
If the weather is good this weekend I will make a photo series of my XD with inner capsule with bechair and measure everything.
Now we all know Fox's reputation so I am also afraid to wait and see how long the Frontier will last, we are already talking about a bivvy that has cost me €838 (€1067 with overwrap) , but from what I have seen so far of quality it's very good.
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In reply to Post #489
Can anyone explain What is the difference between the fox and the tempest why would you buy the fox over the tempest as I see a vid on it yesterday doesn’t look much different
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In reply to Post #487
I have the frontier X and own the large ss4 wideboy. Fits perfectly in my bivvy
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In reply to Post #486
Got my innner capsule and vapor peak today, can still get my bedchair and junior bed in it with an extra chair in the front and space for 3 bags behind my bedchair.
Reason why I wanted the XD and the inner capsule, I got an autoimmune disease from mosquitoes and also use Immunosuppressant medication so have to be extra careful an inner capsule is a must for me, that's why I was immediately happy when I saw the Frontier XD, even with the inner capsule it is high inside, you really don't lose much space at the sides/back/front
I bought vapor peak for when it rains without there is no cap that collects the water at the front, will probably always use the vapor peak even when it is not raining
I will soon buy the overwrap also for when I go winter fishing again.
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In reply to Post #486
It was the standard one that the bedchair was touching not the x model.
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In reply to Post #485
I can assure you the X 100% has no issue with a bigger bed in .. i don't get why anyone would by the bigger one then put a capsule in that takes it down a size or slightly more .. then probably add aa wrap how many bloody layers do people need ??
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In reply to Post #483
It was.. and there's me thinking why he wants to sell it 😂
I really like these but it'll have to be the frontier X for that reason or the new Nash hide XL (if they do it in green, not that bird **** camo)
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Putting a xl bed in a Small bivvy
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In reply to Post #482
I’m sure in the pic you can actually see his bed chair pushing the sides out
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In reply to Post #481
Is the the basic frontier? I saw that on there.
Looks too narrow for a bedchair, I've seen 2 on YouTube and the bedchairs are touching the side
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Hasn’t taken long for one to pop up on fb market place
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I ordered the inner capsule / vapor peak today, they are out of stock in most EU shops.
Where I usually buy carp material told me: new expected delivery: April, but this is not 100% certain it could also be alot later.
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In reply to Post #478
I've just had an hour in the garden playing with it (FOX FRONTIER X ) 1st off it is 100% an X and with no instructions it could not have been easier to set up... I pegged it out fitted the groundsheet ,put in the different doors, opened all the windows and put my big nash bed and sleep system in it and still so much room. A nice gap either end of the bed without touching the walls at all and so much spare room. yes a lot of velcro as others have said, but I have no issues with that at all and can see it's reasons for being there especially to cover all the zips keeping everything storm flapped if an over wrap isn't being used.. The vapour cap was bought separately and not arrived yet but it will make it look so much neater give a peak hopefully keep it even cooler and even more water resistant. I really like you can keep the camo in place or fully open up the side openings in the warmest conditions .. Its the 1st bivvy I've bought from new and 1st impression is it's an exceptional bit of kit and I have chosen well. .... only time will tell.. but I'm definitely smiling ..
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In reply to Post #477
Result all round their
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In reply to Post #469
I ordered a frontier x for £499 from rods and lines F2 Sapphire Court, George Rd, Bromsgrove Technology Park, Bromsgrove, B60 3FP - T: 0121 663 6650 online Sunday arrived yesterday via Royal mail in 3 days ... not unpacked it yet it was on E-bay and on Amazon but i think I got the last or only 1 advertised at this time.
just picked up a brand new X vapour peak for £74.00 delivered as well result.
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In reply to Post #472
Leave it with me I will ask Tom now
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In reply to Post #465
Carpy09 sent me his picture via Fb, luckily I don't have this with my Xd
Link carpy09 XD Picv
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In reply to Post #471
I've no idea mate. To be honest the communication from Vale has been extremely poor.
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In reply to Post #470
Has the courier still not sorted it out
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In reply to Post #469
Be interested to know too. Thinking of cancelling my order with Vale as they seem to be messing me around.
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Where was selling the X for £500?
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In reply to Post #466
Yes I have got photo of the marks but no good with uploading them on here
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One thing that puzzles me is they have spent a fortune printing a full glossy brochure WHY ? what a waste of money ! We are supposed to be cutting down on printing........
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In reply to Post #464
Got any photos of it?
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In reply to Post #464
What do you mean mate? Just so I can look for it on mine
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Got my frontier XD last week took it over the lake today to set it up properly and check it out and it has couple of tiny areas where the new inner lining as scraped back so back to the shop it goes
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In reply to Post #455
Its arrived and the box says its an X so unless its a scam from a reputable dealer then all is good... can't wait to unpack it ..
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In reply to Post #458
Lol I agree with the velcro, guess it's to make everything look tight and stop stuff flapping about in the wind. Hopefully with time the velcro will soften and won't ruin your fingers
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In reply to Post #458
Nice work Jimmy thanks for sharing
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In reply to Post #458
Loads of room inside,I will be going for the x model
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In reply to Post #458
Some good pics and info there. Thanks
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Picture with some dimensions of the Frontier Xd that I bought today
2 things I don't like:
-Velcro everywhere (my finger is already bleeding )
- Clip in groundsheet.
For the rest top bivvy alot of space for 1 man, 1 man with child ( junior bed)
2 bechairs is possible but it is not a 2 man bivvy
Very strong and thick cloth, very easy to put up/take down (find it easier to set up/break down than my previous Quest Tacke defier)
Very dark inside
-Inner Capsule is not necessary imo, Vapor peak not sure if I buy it (maybe only for summer) Overwrap I buy 100%.
Overwrap can be done just as quickly as the Vapor peak (think even faster)
-Height in the middle: 163cm
-Width inside @ front: 267cm
-Inside width @ back: 235
Photo links to save space
Frontier XD
Frontier XD 2
Frontier XD 3
Frontier XD 4
Frontier XD 5
Frontier XD 6
Frontier XD 7
Frontier XD 8
Frontier XD 9
Frontier XD 10
Frontier XD 11
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In reply to Post #456
I also got the X for the same price. Hopefully you won't be disappointed, my brother has a trakker and the only think putting him off was the pack down size, being bigger than his. Obviously no one can vouch for the durability of it lomg term but that seems to be the only question from owners so far.
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In reply to Post #455
FOX FRONTIER X BIVVY SYSTEM
Total: £499.99
Order number: 23-06616-1903
Item number: 383970619629
Money Back Guarantee eBay Money Back Guarantee
I thought the same but advert is 100% clear its the X and i double checked e-bay and on amazon ads before paying if it doesn't turn up as an x i'll be returning it ..
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In reply to Post #454
Ild double or infact tripple check that's not the smaller frontier for that price and being available.
But good find if it is an X
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In reply to Post #453
After looking for a new bivvy for several months and reading reports on most current models available and being a big trakker fan for all my luggage it seemed only inevitable really I'd go with a trakker Bivvy .. being honest i'd not even considered fox .. after looking at all options rightly or wrongly and reading this thread I have actually gone with the Frontier X . But it's one thing deciding another actually finding the thing.. eventually I found just 1 Frontier X online at a price of £499.00 delivered... I've just had confirmation of Delivery Wednesday... fingers crossed but I'm confident this will be the correct choice ... being 100% honest 1 thing put me off the camo mozzi finish ... I've never had anything Camo in 45 years+ on the bank... cheers all for a great informative thread..
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In reply to Post #451
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In reply to Post #450
They are checking them for leaks
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In reply to Post #432
Better check with the supplier as there's likely to be a few Frontiers at the bottom of the ocean.
https://themaritimepost.com/2021/02/18/another-maersk-ship-loses-several-containers-in-pacific/
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In reply to Post #433
"collective amnesia".
/thread
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In reply to Post #447
The left and right poles shouldn't be an issue as they just sit in a groove rather than properly click in to place. My only concern is the centre one that clicks in to place but touch wood it'll be fine.
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Took my Frontier X out for a test ,yesterday
Total weight with Vapour peak ,ground sheet pegs ect in the bag came in at 16.6 Kg.
It fits a Nash SS3 Wide with around 6 inches clearance at both ends.and plenty of room inside .
Clipping the arms in is relatively straightforward , taking apart does make you feel like you may bend them , but i didnt, how long the boss will last clipping them in and out (wear and tear) ,who knows .
All in id say well made and an excellent bivvy .
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In reply to Post #445
Frontier gives even more space The block on the frontier doesn’t seem to be under the tension like the tempest, just see how the clip holds out, this would be my guess that is what will go first in these
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In reply to Post #444
Just wanted a bit more usable space inside and the tempest bivvy gives me that
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In reply to Post #443
What was wrong with the Armo?
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In reply to Post #442
I had a trakker armo when first did the aquatexx version,what a pile of **** that was.I had an aqua m2 think it was that had no peak then had the m3 which is still my favourite bivvy.I now have a tempest v2 bivvy which ticks alot of boxes,it just feels so tight when set it up that it worries me it is going to rip
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In reply to Post #441
Have you had an Armo?
Armo for camping, Tempest Brolly for fishing. The Armo has done about 8 years and the brolly 3 and not a bother with each so far.
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In reply to Post #440
15-20 years,im lucky if I keep a bivvy for 15-20 months.I just can't honestly find a bivvy I'm 100% happy with so I'm hoping these do stand upto bad weather and the block is robust
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In reply to Post #436
It was a tongue in cheek comment hence the silly smiley.
I hope it’s robust design and lasts, I did see the Fox video and thought it might be the weak link however the Bivvy does look well thought out. I purchased the T1 as although I don’t need another Bivvy I’ve fancied one for sometime. It’s not perfect and I want to re enforce the inner capsule clipping points with some gorilla tape. And I’m still waiting for two rear poles as the rivets where not satisfactory, that will get sorted in due course. Like my others bivvies id hope to get 15-20 years out of the T1.
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In reply to Post #438
I have compared mainly in terms of quality.
Compare to the Pioneer 100 was with the Pioneer 150 in mind (only 100 in shop) and T1 camo is 275 cm x 197 cm so no big difference vs XD 270 x 210, although the difference is big inside
Not so sure if T1 is proven quality, have seen many with problems
In Belgium we are allowed to fish on private waters at night (first night will be next weekend).
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In reply to Post #434
T1 and pio 100 are both smaller bivvies than the xd so pointless comparison unless trying to compare quality but the titan and pioneer are proven designs. Fox produced some great bivvies in the past so let's hope this one is a return to those days.
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In reply to Post #436
If it leaks at the block the MK2 will have material over it with
A velcro panel. I'm off to the patent office.
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In reply to Post #435
Why what is wrong with the block or are you just guessing it will have issues based on your expert opinion
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In reply to Post #423
Sort the block out 🤪
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I compared the Frontier XD in shop side by side with the Titan T1, pioneer 100, tempest 150, the where all 4 in shop next to each other (my budget was 1000euro)
I am 100% sure that I made the best choice with the Frontier XD, the marketing of Fox about the Frontier is a joke (yeah right 5 years to development lol ) but the Frontier is Top
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In reply to Post #431
This is an example of what social scientists call the 'Supabrolly Effect'. A perfect storm of group hysteria whipped up by clever marketing and social media. And fuelled by a group of anglers suffering from collective amnesia.
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Tuesday I will have my Frontier Xd, if the weather is good I will set it up with bedchair, chair, bags/table take pictures and will measure everything.
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I must admit I keep looking at this bivvy despite telling myself each time that it is Fox and to just walk away.... ....why oh why do they persist with ****ty clip in groundsheets though?
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In reply to Post #429
Very true !! 
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In reply to Post #427
No One can use them over night yet for a decent time so that might be a reason, not slating the frontier just saying that might be why, every bivvy ever made always has a couple come back
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I am very difficult to please, but the material feels strong and the fittings were superb. The elbow joints are so easy to put together and click faultlessly in to place. I also love the way that the bivvy stands up after you pull all the arms out allowing you to peg it slowly and precisely. The height is also a plus. I have the XD with inner dome. 165cm is comfortable for me to live with, especially being partially disabled. The other aspect i like is in the winter, its easy to add the winter wrap, click the 3 poles in to place, roll back and peg, instead of pulling the wrap all over the place to peg it ! All in all I think it is a winner. If there is anyone in the Norfolk area that wants to have a look before buying please pm me, would be happy to oblige.
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having spoke to two shops who have sold a few frontiers and xd's so far no returns.fingers crossed as i wouldn mind one myself
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Very disappointed with TFT. Ordered in September and then told after their first delivery of the Frontiers that they had under ordered and they did not know when the next lot would be in ! I am sure I would have still been waiting if Vale Royal had not saved the day !!!!!!
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In reply to Post #424
Has anyone else had an update from TFT for when they will receive a fox frontier bivvy? Got told that they will be here soon
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In reply to Post #423
Just a daft comment by him... I think a camo version will come in time
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In reply to Post #422
Why what do you think they can do to improve it to make a mk2 version
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In reply to Post #420
Just in time for the MKII
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In reply to Post #420
Thats what I'm doing
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I really like these but will give it 12 months i think.
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In reply to Post #418
I will go for the X if I decide to get one
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In reply to Post #417
That's what I'm worried about.. I think I'll wait for the X..
Or just wait to see them all up in a shop when we can
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In reply to Post #416
A couple of videos on you tube showing the standard frontier and it seems to have room at the front.It shows if push your bedchair right to the back it touches the sides though on one video
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In reply to Post #415
That's my exact point.. the air is deeper but with less usable floor space because of the sloping headroom.
Ideally I don't want something too big to peg out but the frontier has the height
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In reply to Post #414
The problem with bivvies is that you can't compare them by the dimensions becouse off diffrent design
A Trakker tempest T100 is bigger on paper than the Frontier, but due to the flat back and flat side you have more inner space with the Frontier than with the T100.
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In reply to Post #413
Why don't you compare the dimensions of each, that should give you a good indication of size.
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In reply to Post #412
Has anyone got the frontier bivvy? Plenty with the larger ones.
Just want there review on size.
Currently got a V2 air and that size works for the swims at my lake.
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In reply to Post #410
No it's not tones off space with 2 beds in it , Fox is also clear about it: We will not bring a Frontier 2 man on the market.
And the floorspace is not 270 x 210, the space inside on the flat sides is 160/165 perfect for a junior bed to set against the side, but you cannot put an adult bedchair against the sides
2 Bedchair only fit in the Xd if you place them in width, then you will have 10 / 20cm left at the front, comfortable? dont think so
Yes, the Yt shows 2 people (1 adult, 1 kid) but only 1 bedchair, look again and picture a 2nd bedchair, the bivvy will be almost completely filled and you will have almost no space for storage except under your bedchair, that i dont call a 2 man bivvy.
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In reply to Post #409
They're already released in the UK. I have one and know a few places still selling stock a week or so ago.
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In reply to Post #406
The height is 165. The floor pace is 270x210 so could easily get 2 in, I dont get the purpose of the inner dome as this makes it the size of the standard version which in my eyes defeats the point of going for the largest.
The YouTube video by fox shows two people in the XD and there's tonnes of space.
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In reply to Post #408
So any whispers/rumours on when a expected delivery date for the UK ??
I have seen a few Frontiers and Frontier XD but very few of the Frontier x.
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In reply to Post #407
Belgium store (Lisarde)
They have the standard Frontier set up in the store, but the shop owner unpacked the frontier XD to see what it was like with all the tackle in it.
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Which store is it the frontier is put up ?
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In reply to Post #404
The Xd is not a 2 man, maby for 2 hobbits, yes if you want you can get 2 beds in it (only without the inner capsule) but it is not comfortable and you have to put everything under your beds.
You can only place 2 adult bedchairs in the width, 2 bedchairs along each other in length is not possible
The Xd have 160/165 cm space from the back to the front along the entire length inside, with 2 beds placed width you wil have 10/15 cm space left on the front if you call that 2 man then My slx v3 plus is a 4 man bivvy
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In reply to Post #402
In my opinion it is very large in comparison to his, its the only thing putting him off. Not for the person who wants to travel light, but then again its classed as a bivvy, not a brolly or shelter. But if you own a barrow it's hardly an issue.
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In reply to Post #403
The XD is the largest 2 man. The X is the 1.5/large one man.
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Back to shop today for compare T1 with Xd, T1 is no match for the XD, XD bag is 160cm the bivvy bag is large enough to put the bivvy back in easily
These were the things I put in the XD in the store today
-Junior bed 150 x 65 against the side
-Bedchair 205x 80 angled
-Behind the bedchair: bivvy table, Solar Undercover Camo Carryall, cool box,
-There was also plenty of room in the front to put 2 chairs in it
XD is a very big 1/1.5 man bivvy.
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In reply to Post #401
Is the pack down size that big? Got a V2 air and that's tiny.
Had a m3 and that was like a body bag!
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In reply to Post #397
My brother owns a trakker and he was with me when I put up my frontier. He's in two minds of whether to replace his trakker because he liked the frontier so much, only thing putting him off is the pack down size being much bigger l. But he's just paid 200 quid for a barrow so it would give it some use lol
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In reply to Post #397
I have had fox ventec ripstop shelters and the material is very good,it feels more robust than the trakker aquatexx.If Fox get the build quality right on these then they could be taking over the tempest.I just have my doubts though
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In reply to Post #397
It is a very good design thats for sure.
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In reply to Post #396
That's why I'm retard
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In reply to Post #395
I agree, not sure on build quality and materials etc but the design is the best on the market IMO. Flat backed, higher version of the tempest. Trakker needs to follow suit
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In reply to Post #395
I reckon a zip would get crushed.,magnetic strips might have been better
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In reply to Post #394
I think Fox will cain the market with these.
Maybe I'm wrong here, got me thinking about the ground sheet flap thing, would it not have been better to put a decent zip on it rather than velcro as over time, the velcro will get clogged up with crap and won't stick together properly? Adding a zip would have crap get into it too mind.
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I got the bivvy quickly from Vale Royal last week, could not be happier. Braved the wind today and put it up in minutes. It was a bit stiff but soon went up. It makes a great difference when your not messing about with loads of connecting pipes ! Loads of room inside, even with my SS5 MF60 Wideboy. The material looks even better than the fox R series bivvies. I got the XD with inner dome and it comes installed. The winter skin goes on really quickly - attach the front poles and roll backwards, you know its over properly that way first time ! Could not be happier with the Frontier and of course the excellent service from Vale Royal.
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In reply to Post #392
Going off topic now, probably best discussed on another thread but yes I agree.
Best get back to bivvies
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In reply to Post #391
Kind of odd considering this
The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, also known as the Huanan Seafood Market, was a live animal and seafood market in Jianghan District, Wuhan.
Never seen a frozen live animal or sea food.
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In reply to Post #379
Yes that's how I understood it but the Chinese are now claiming that covid came into Wuhan through frozen food 
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In reply to Post #389
Can't believe some read my post and took it seriously. Having said that the whole carp scene has become a bit of a joke.
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In reply to Post #388
I heard they run out of disinfectant
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In reply to Post #387
Anyone received a frontier from total fishing tackle?
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In reply to Post #386
Well nothing to stop you setting up the bivvy as a day shelter I suppose
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In reply to Post #385
OK,
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In reply to Post #384
Not for night fishing
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In reply to Post #383
Loads of lakes are open.
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Well what’s the hurry, it’s not like you can use them. Well unless you set up in your garden
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In reply to Post #380
I'm suprised the crew of the ship survive getting from China to the UK iy takes that long at the minute
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In reply to Post #378
Fogging that's it,that's what we got told about
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In reply to Post #379
Exactly right that's why it's laughable about the contents being sprayed.
The biggest hold up is incorrect paperwork right now.
This thread is better than a Netflix series, Adolf Hitler got half a million men across Europe quicker than Fox have shifted these bivvies and most of them were on a horse.
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In reply to Post #378
I thought it was acknowledged that this virus does not survive outside the host body for more than 72 hours. Anything in a sealed container that came from China by sea will surely be safe to handle.
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In reply to Post #377
They do not open containers to disinfect the contents. The containers are sprayed that's it.
Opening a container and disinfecting as described by Goose is laughable, this open's (no pun intended) the importer and ports to all sorts, accusations of theft along with damage to goods and H&S issues.
A lot of container shipments are security sealed, any breakage before the client receives the goods opens all sorts of can's of worms.
The only alternative to what's been described is Fogging, this damages nothing, we fog all our offices on a weekly basis, this includes the computer equipment etc
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In reply to Post #376
They disinfect the inside of the container using some device so the contents are disinfected too.They obviously don't do every single item individually
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In reply to Post #375
Yes the containers not the contents.
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In reply to Post #373
The containers where I work are coming in with different paperwork showing they have been checked and made safe
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In reply to Post #372
Well there’s something in that, when China locked down Wuhan they sprayed the streets with chlorine solution
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In reply to Post #369
What a load of rubbish, ports are not opening containers and disinfecting the contents, That would result in massive damage claim's. I cant believe people believe this cobblers.
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In reply to Post #371
So best open the swimming pools so we can all go for a dip.
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In reply to Post #369
According to the scientists in China and Korea one of the most effective killers of the virus is a weak chlorine solution and surely that’s not in short supply
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In reply to Post #369
Every item in every container is being disinfected?
Really?
Edit:
They seem to be in stock in the EU.
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In reply to Post #368
The delay is at the ports because they have to disinfect everything coming in from China and can't get enough disinfectant to keep up with it. Add in the fact the bivvy manufacturers don't want them disinfected as it will remove what little waterproofing they have and they will all be different colours depending on the amount of disinfectant used. Still at least the container ship rats are getting fat while all this is going on.
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In reply to Post #366
Trust me the shops want the customers to have their items too,they are getting just as frustrated with the situation
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In reply to Post #366
Has anyone on here had a Fox frontier bivvy from TFT as of yet ? I had an email last week saying that mine should be with me this month but after reading this forum I'm not so sure
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In reply to Post #362
As has already been said. The retailer has taken money, not the manufacturer. It is not in the manufacturers interests to hold off on delivery to the retailer. They want them out there so that they get their money from the retailer, and to stop the consumers from bleating on
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In reply to Post #356
Under normal circumstances I would have been on the phone this morning asking for my money back, which i am sure the retailer would have done without question. However, I pre-ordered mine on Black Friday so got 20% off.......I will still want one when they do actually arrive so i either sit it out or get my refund then pay full whack....
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In reply to Post #362
The manufacturer wont have had any money at all for pre-orders. They let the retailers know how many will be allocated to them and then the retailer decides whether to do a pre-order or not, they wont pay Nash until they take delivery so the pre-order money is sat with the retailer.
Delaying a product due to shipping costs is not going to be cost-effective for any company. Something isn't quite stacking up though as the delay was evidently due to them being sat in a container at a port somewhere....and as you said, it doesn't take another 3 to 4 months to solve that!
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In reply to Post #362
I wouldn't count out the effect of Covid regulations in China impacting their ability to manufacture. The large manufacturing areas were under house arrest for months.
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In reply to Post #361
The bivvies are already paid for via pre-order and the manufacturer has the money in the bank. Container of said bivvies are then manufactured and ready to ship. In the time between the manufacturer calculating their margins and selling price and the product being ready to ship the cost to ship rockets due to covid/Brexit/whatever.
Do you think that the manufacturer (bearing in mind that they already have the money from the customer pre order) will take the hit on their margin and ship at the higher rate? Or delay the shipping in the hope that the costs drop and they can retain their margins?
What doesn’t make sense there?
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In reply to Post #358
I really hope you have said that tongue in cheek because if you haven’t then can I please have some of that funky stuff you’re smoking. That makes absolutely no business sense at.
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Ive just had a strong sense of Deja Vu . I'm thinking we had a really long Fox Bivvy thread
About 10 years ago on this forum. About anticipation of the Fox Supa Brolly. But a search doesnt go back that far.
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In reply to Post #358
I'm not sure what is going on exactly but it's not good
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In reply to Post #357
I wasn’t aiming at the shops, it’s the manufacturers taking the mick. They are probably just holding out to save money on the shipping now the prices have gone up.
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In reply to Post #356
It's not the shops fault is it and people were aware they were not available straight away.If people are not willing to wait and want their money back im sure the shops will issue a refund straight away.The shops are getting just as frustrated as the customers
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Surely now this means that they have been advertised and sold with money taken up front for something that has not even been manufactured yet? Even with the world as it is it does not take 7 months to ship a container from anywhere on the planet.
If it was me I would want my money back in my pocket while I waited for them to sort their act out. It’s not as if they will be limited edition once they finally hit the shops.
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In reply to Post #354
I will drop him an email....
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In reply to Post #352
Bugger!
Has that come from Tom at Vale Royal Tony?
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In reply to Post #351
Nash have sent email to the shops this morning
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In reply to Post #350
Where have they said that Tony, haven't seen anything on their social media?
Nash told me a week or two ago they would be here sometime in March. If it could be as long as June I will seriously consider pulling my pre-order...that said, I will still want one...
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Well Fox delayed the Frontier and people were moaning and kicking off about it.How are people feeling now Nash have announced the camo hides are going be May/June.
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In reply to Post #347
Yes sorry was replying to the comment about the RM bivvy
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In reply to Post #346
So are all the dimensions on the fox website for the frontier external ?
It doesn’t say
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In reply to Post #345
Ah yes my bad
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In reply to Post #344
250 wide outside...
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In reply to Post #344
Think he means the ridgemonkey bivvy sundance mentioned
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In reply to Post #343
Well that’s strange the basic frontier is 250cm wide and the indulgence bed chair is 200cm
So in theory it should deffo fit across the bivvy.
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In reply to Post #338
My mate bought the 1 man and his indulgence bed didn’t fit so had to buy another bed. His bed had to be really wedged between the 2 sides
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In reply to Post #339
Yes Tony I agree
I thought that's what this section was all about, asking appropriate questions to enable you to make an informed decision, and like you said 4" could be quite important to some people
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In reply to Post #333
Already been said but can be the difference between being able use the bivvy with your current bed chair or not. I have the frontier X which is about 11cm wider than the standard, having put my nash ss4 chair in the standard would have been too small and would need to be replaced
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In reply to Post #336
Clearly lockdown and drink getting to some
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In reply to Post #336
Yep. Ask anyone that bought a ridgemonkey
Bivvy that was advertised as being able to fit any bedchair
With ease. And have now found it isnt wide enough across.
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In reply to Post #332
Zinno
I like the footprint of the Hide XL, so would really like to see one next to a frontier XD
the main advantage for me would be the increased door height as i am quite tall.
I would think the usable floor space will be very similar, although the Frontier has more upright sides, so may be marginally better in that respect.
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In reply to Post #333
wind it in, someone asked so i replied
10cm can make a difference with bedchairs, so it was a valid question and a valid response.
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Lol 10cm can make a lot of difference in a bivvy example for your bedchair, no need to be rude if you have no clue ....
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In reply to Post #333
Well if I had 4inches less I would have two belly buttons
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Ooooo 10cm jhees its getting as bad as mumsnet or what ever its called... you lot are getting bad with lockdown just think about what 4 inch is... not even your kettle in the corner... grow up lads please
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In reply to Post #331
On paper it is 10 cm wider but that says nothing about the actual usable interior space, my Quest tackle spec are 280 x 225 but inside i have less space then in a Frontier XD
Anyone that have seen both?
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In reply to Post #330
Hide XL is 10 cm wider same depth but the Frontier XD is taller especially the door
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In reply to Post #329
Is the Titan hide xl pro bigger inside then the XD?
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In reply to Post #328
Is the xd a 2 man
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In reply to Post #310
That’s it, it used to be Specialist Tackle In Collier Row.
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In reply to Post #325
Of course that's correct. However it's human nature to want nice, better, even more aesthetically pleasing things and if you're fortunate enough to be able to afford it why not.
As others have said, when buying mass produced stuff from China, there is no guarantee the next shipment will be better than the last.
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It’s stuff mass produced in China. Of course there can be quality control issues when it’s mass produced. Do you really expect fox to open up every shelter that comes though, and check it over, and the weather test it. It’s a risk we take when buying stuff. Yes it’s inconvenient, but it happens in all industries producing stuff in China.
There was a thread about an issue with a dymag net the other month, and everyone jumped to their defense about it. An issue with a hand made piece is worse in my mind as it should have been caught when being made.
Everyone just needs to chill a bit and see this stuff for what it is. You could wait a year, to buy one after the first 2 shipments are spot on. The 3rd shipment could have issues. Waiting won’t avoid any potential issues.
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In reply to Post #323
Not just bivvies, look at some of the off the shelf rod prices at £500+,reels at £600+ but no matter how much the manufacturer hypes up the product one fact will never change, a good angler with mediocre kit will always be more successful than a mediocre angler with all the best kit.
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In reply to Post #322
I mean you buy it after it is a year old and been used
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In reply to Post #322
Unfortunately most bivvies/brollies have issues,like I said once it becomes mass produced.I have had more issues with Trakker bivvies than any other make but I now have a v2 tempest bivvy that's spot on.Its crazy how expensive some of these shelters are getting without the quality to justify it
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In reply to Post #321
Would I wait a year to see if one of the sponsored anglers have problems so they can rectify it? Yes of course I would  They have no quality control. I won’t go on about fox as they do some good stuff but I’ve had 2 ultras and both was crap. Forgot quality control, the build quality was that of what I’d expect of a 10 yr old
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In reply to Post #320
It can be put through its paces for years but it's when it becomes mass produced issues occur.Would you prefer to buy a bivvy that's been used for a year by one of the companies anglers then still pay full whack for it as its been tested.
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In reply to Post #318
Not if it’s been put through it’s paces properly.
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In reply to Post #318
Proud to say i will be one of the new Testers middle of next week with the Frontier X and Vapour shield 
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In reply to Post #317
Isnt every new model of bivvy a tester? New materials, new manufacturing processes etc. And there's far more expensive bivvies out there.
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In reply to Post #316
Hell of a lot of money to be a tester
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In reply to Post #315
And how do you know this bivvy is no good? Until its been tested by anglers when night fishing is allowed we won't know
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In reply to Post #313
I actually think some Fox stuff is very good, their luggage particularly the Camolite is very good quality.
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In reply to Post #282
Been on here a long time too. And people use that phrase
A lot. Or say something is looking 'carpy'. Ive even seen carbon pods referred to as looking ''sexy'. Men buy on looks all the time. How else can anyone justify Korda SIngelz?
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In reply to Post #312
Well said Heff
He’s like a stuck record
Obviously has a chip on his shoulder about something
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In reply to Post #311
You dont like fox bivvys, youve made that clear several times already on this thread so far, but give it a rest now please mate, its boring
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In reply to Post #307
Why not? That's the only field testing it will have seen
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In reply to Post #309
It never went away mate. Cant remember the name of the woman that had it when i first started going there, jo maybe? Was in woodford then. She had taken it over from her dad. Then sold it to a guy called gary who used to work there. Gary then sold it to mark who runs it with his sons. It moved to collier row, took over the shop that was specialist tackle, but cant remember wether it was gary or mark who had it when they moved.
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In reply to Post #301
Wow Keswell is back up and running? Same family or just the name?
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In reply to Post #306
That will be fieldtested then unlike most companies on the market
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In reply to Post #304
From personal experience I'd rather not have fishing gear kicking about a couriers depot or van for to long 👎
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In reply to Post #304
Me vans bust and can't get it fixed till a week next Tuesday as part not available, boss won't get another van to me so bivvied up in your bivvy till van is sorted, will let you know if it's waterproof and try not to spill to much of the takeaway food I'll be living on.
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In reply to Post #304
Hope you get it soon
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In reply to Post #300
Yes I spoke to him and he said it had been posted. Think he's gonna track it with the courier to see what's happening. I'm in no rush, it's just the not knowing lol.
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In reply to Post #302
I think every shop has issues at some point,the problem is alot of the time they are messed about by the company supplying them.It gets just as frustrating for the shop as it does the customer
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In reply to Post #294
TFT are very well known for taking there time with pre orders, if they have the stuff in stock then they are very good but wouldnt pre order anything off them ever again tho
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Keswalls in collier row had some available earlier this week. Not sure if they are still available but could be worth a call to anyone looking for one
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In reply to Post #297
Tom said yours had definitely left the shop mate so hopefully be with you soon
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Well my friends, alot happier now ! I spoke to Rod at Vale Royal and my XD will be on its way shortly. I asked TFT for refund ! Very impressed with Vale Royal, will be shopping there more.
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In reply to Post #294
I have had that with TFT before, (when the Titan was re-launched) placed my order on a pre-order basis and instead of limiting this to the number they have allocated for their first drop they sell as many as they can. If you are lucky and are within the first drop, happy days otherwise you have to wait until the second and sometimes third order......
I had pre-ordered my Titan on the same day it went live on their website yet wasn't included on the first drop which i found very hard to believe.....was then told the second drop would be 2 weeks later which I was fine about but that came and went.....looked around the net and there were plenty of other shops showing they had them in stock so cancelled TFT and went elsewhere 
Sometimes there is such hysteria that FOMO kicks in and people rush to pre-order when in reality there isn't any need...
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In reply to Post #294
Still waiting on mine too. It was posted a week ago so it's down to the courier. Have you checked that yours hasn't been posted? You could be in the same situation as me.
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In reply to Post #294
Yup, I saw on here that they oversold the pre orders and I had one update from them in 4 months and that was to say it could be May, I cancelled my order with TFT and ordered from a local tackle shop and it came next day.
If you look on eBay there’s a few tackle shops advertising on there that they have them in stock. Give them a call instead just to make sure they have them in first.
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In reply to Post #294
I'm sure someone else up in the thread canceled their order because they were taking the pish when many anglers have now received theirs. Id shop around, find somewhere with stock in and cancel your order with TFT
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Hi all, getting a bit frustrated, TFT have still not sent me the one I ordered (In September). I got an email saying it should be soon , but not to get my hopes up as they have only got so many in.
Did someone say they have them in stock somewhere ? May cancel my order with TFT and go elsewhere .......
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In reply to Post #279
Yet for me the Pioneer and Titan never offered anything more actually less than my Nash Canvas and Profile, even the Dillo wasn’t enough to sway me having a powerplus in my armoury.
25 years on and I still think they are better than anything since, sure I have a T1 and yet I doubt if I had only one Bivvy it would be that. I would probably look at one of the Tracker Tempest, the Carbon Compact did struck a chord with the Utility front.
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In reply to Post #280
The T1 is an excellent design imho, has its draw back still think my powerplus a 20 plus year old Bivvy shames everything in the market when compared the the all whistles and bells. However my T1 stripped back is great and full blown decent.
Having used a various brollies for 90% of my fishing over 30 years I still think they are hard to beat for practicality and if I had one Bivvy it would be that with an over warp.
We are all different and I hope you enjoy the Fox and get many years out of it.
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Falling out on how a bivvy looks,come on guys its a fishing tent.We can't all like the same things,life would be boring.I like it personally for its functionality as I have never really looked at a bit of green/camo material and thought wow that's good looking
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In reply to Post #289
any other naughty words you want the forum to filter out.
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In reply to Post #288
Apologies
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In reply to Post #286
whats all this "add value" bollox?? .... This is a forum, its an opinion and im entitled to voice it as much as you are entitled to defend it
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In reply to Post #286
Lol. I agree with both comments. You arent going to buy something you don't like the look of and you aren't going to buy something that looks good but is s**t. But his comment did add no value to anyone
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In reply to Post #285
Grow up pal... Your comments about the bivvy add no value whatsoever...
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In reply to Post #282
im sensing you may have bought one
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In reply to Post #281
I agree, hence why I said everyone has there own opinion? But if you have a choice between two bivvies after doing your research you'll choose the one you prefer the look of. Same applies with anything you buy
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In reply to Post #281
Only an absolute noddy from noddyland would say such a thing and he has 14k+ posts therefore he’s not exactly a Covid carping pleb, maybe a pleb, but that’s beside the point. He’s just looking for a reaction. I mean, “good looking” bivvy Only noddys would say something like that and really mean it.
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In reply to Post #280
Does it matter what they look like really.....
Function over form surely
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In reply to Post #279
You see I don't like the looks of the nash T1, think its rather ugly. I do like the look of the new hides though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions
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In reply to Post #278
Titan and Pioneer both handsome bits of kit
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In reply to Post #276
for me if i'm honest,the best looking brolly i saw
was when i first saw nash's original oval umbrella with the velcro all around the edge, and the infill panels which just velcroed to the umbrella
first time if i'm right a oval umbrella was sold ?
brought one as soon i as i saw it, bit of a game changer for me,
with the oval you got a bit more room sideways for the bedchair, up till then it was a nubrolly with nas sides or over wrap
then after that, the titan,
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In reply to Post #273
Can you tell me what you think is a good looking bivvy ... They are all little green tents to me !!
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In reply to Post #273
I can't say I have ever looked at a bivvy and thought wow you're good looking.I guess if a good looking tent floats your boat then it takes all sorts
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In reply to Post #273
Wow.... Good to see your adding value to the thread🤫
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Having seen a few photos of these Frontiers ..... they are one ugly looking bivvy
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In reply to Post #271
I have the X and the bag is rather big, quite a bit longer than my 2 man I had before but I guess it's because youre only folding joints in half rather than in 4 like on my two man. It does state the pack down size online but im not that bothered as its only in the bag for transportation, up its half a meter small in width and length so considerably smaller once up.
I did think I was missing a clip on my groundsheet but I hadn't lined the groundsheet up correct inside so was slightly off, fixed it pretty quick.
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In reply to Post #270
Yeah I think the X is a good shout, I’m actually slightly concerned about getting this thing around to be honest but the lakes i fish are pretty small. Like I said I’ll pop some pics n stuff here when I get chance and at least everyone can get a rough idea before buying.
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In reply to Post #269
I'm going go for the x if I take the plunge
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In reply to Post #268
I’ve got the XD, just off initial impressions. Bag is huge and definitely oversized, material looks good, groundsheet is good quality and had a quick look at the elbows and seem okay.
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In reply to Post #267
Which model have you had
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Just took delivery of mine, will put it up tonight and see if anything’s missing. I can tell you one thing already though, it’s huge.
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Seen one guy having an issue with clips missing on his groundsheet has anyone else found anything else yet
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In reply to Post #264
Yes I agree, hence I was surprised when I checked the dimensions
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In reply to Post #263
It looks it on that video
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In reply to Post #261
The XD is actually slightly narrower than a Nash Hide XL same depth but taller
So I’d not call it huge
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In reply to Post #261
Without inner capsule the Xd can fit 2 small beds, but I wouldn't call it a 2 man bivvy
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In reply to Post #260
It was more that video of the xd where the guy said about two beds,the xd looks huge.I will let you test it out and see if any issues show up
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In reply to Post #259
😂 And me but it gives you a guide on the room... Plenty big enough and yet shallower than a tempest...
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In reply to Post #258
I dont want squeeze two beds in it mate,I go fishing to escape .Once there is a bit of longer feedback and reviews its the x I will go for
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In reply to Post #257
If you want some pics send me your email, I reckon you could squeeze in 2 bedchair into the x if your asking the Mrs and kids, the xd definitely is huge without the capsule...
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In reply to Post #256
I know,I live near Alsager
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In reply to Post #255
Definitely could have done HF as it’s only down the road, didn’t even think to be honest.
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In reply to Post #254
Could you not have done click and collect from hf angling in crewe,I know Vale Royal have got them in stock too
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Cancelled my TFT order as no sign at all of it being delivered. They seemed relieved when I asked to cancel so supports the comment below of them overselling pre orders.
Ordered from Tasker’s angling and it’s coming tomorrow (they have two left in stock)
Will pop a video in here when it comes and I have chance.
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In reply to Post #252
If they are heavy duty nylon like the tempest block they will be fine.They are shaped so hopefully don't have too much pressure on them
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I cant help but think them elbow joints made from plastic are going to become brittle with long term use after being exposed to the elements. it looks a tidy bivvy and 5 years from start to finish product seems a long time,but how long has the finished product been tested for...I hope its a hit as it looks decent.
stand by for the camolite version in 12 months no doubt that will get people selling the green just for camo....
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In reply to Post #250
Not sure mate, but here are the dimensions for the frontiers. The flat back definitely makes more room for the front but not sure if the depth is smaller or bigger than the 100 bivvy.
Fox frontier
(Width 2.50 x Depth 1.85 x height 1.3)
Fox frontier X
(Width 2.60 x Depth 1.98 x height 1.4)
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So how does the Frontier X compare to the Tempest 100 bivvy? Is it just the a bit higher? Im assuming you get more floor space in the Frontier with the flat back? Is the material better on the Tempest?
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In reply to Post #248
Let’s just say if you sit on an ss4 in an advanced 100, you get a bad neck looking out and I’m only 5’11”
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In reply to Post #247
Cant comment on the comparison with the 100 but seems good enough with mine. No negatives from me on the height of the X
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In reply to Post #246
Just want I wanted to hear, I have the ss4 and was hoping there was a bit more height than the tempest 100
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In reply to Post #245
Not sure mate, but if you're worried about the height I have the tall ss4 bedchair and I'm 6ft 3 and the head room is fine for me, can see out the bivvy too
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In reply to Post #244
What’s the door way height with the door rolled up on the x model
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In reply to Post #243
Yeah the X is decent size... Got my flatliner in no problem with a bit of room head and feet end and then you have about a metre space in front...
Personally don't get why the need for a capsule but hey that's me.. When the capsule is fitted it is the same dimensions as the X model...
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I like the look of these and am looking at the X model. Would like to see them all in the flesh rather than the stated dimensions though, so could be some wait until I can do that
I have a V2 brolly and V2 bivvy which I use for short/long sessions. I find the V2 bivvy massive and the brolly a little on the squeeze size but not uncomfortable for a night or 2. Im sure the XD is similar in size to the V2 bivvy and the standard frontier more like the V2 brolly. So I’m hoping the X is somewhere in the middle which would be perfect for me as I’d sell both my bivvy and brolly for it
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In reply to Post #241
That was what I was thinking,cheers
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In reply to Post #239
I have the X mate and I own a large bed chair (SS4 wideboy) literally fits perfectly in the X, the normal one would be too small.
To be safe id go for the X, it's literally only 10cm bigger in length, height and width than the standard so barely any difference, but you just get that little extra room and height to be safe
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In reply to Post #238
On the walk round video he says it's a bit tight with one bedchair,what the hell is he sleeping on.The xd model looks far too big for my needs ,I can't decide between the frontier or the x model.
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In reply to Post #237
Video on YouTube giving you a rough run down of the frontier... Its the xd model, just search fox frontier and the chaps name is tyron mapp
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In reply to Post #233
Even the Death Star had a hole the size of a womp rat in it 👍🏼
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In reply to Post #232
For me:
Summer: inner capsul/vapour peak, winter: inner capsule/overwrap
in may i always get my bonus if the experiences are good i buy the Xd
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In reply to Post #234
I've a couple of Tempest's, the Frontier adds very little if anything to their design. If i was in the market for a new abode I'd give it a go once the field testing has finished solely because I think they haven't taken the pisss with the price.
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In reply to Post #233
Think you've made it clear in numerous posts
It's not for you.
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In reply to Post #232
He wants to use it in the rain
It would be like buying the Death Star without the shields, he'd be totally ****ed.
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Am I missing something but why would you buy the xd with inner dome and mozzie mesh door and windows then also buy the vapour shield, wrap and mozzie front?
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In reply to Post #230
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In reply to Post #228
Brilliant. Thanks very much.
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In reply to Post #228
Mine arrived on Thursday from Johnson Ross. Went for the full shebang. Not had it up or tested it yet so can’t comment on quality. I went for this after trying a Cyprinus Typhoon Max Head as the quality was incredibly poor so hoping it’s worth the money. I’ll certainly give my honest assessment when I’ve road tested it properly.
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In reply to Post #227
Tom says was shipped on Friday,he will chase it up Monday
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In reply to Post #224
Thank you, frontier x with the skull cap. I was going to give it till Tuesday and ring so don't go out of your way. I expect they are busy with dispatches as are couriers.
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In reply to Post #225
Best giving Tom a call Monday morning
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In reply to Post #224
How much are vale doing the xd for ????
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In reply to Post #223
Will chase it up for you,what model did you order
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In reply to Post #222
Rightly or wrongly, I had no hesitation on the block or the joints. Purely based on the fact that fox have had a very long field testing process in that department in the form of the easy domes and evo shelters. I'm sure they've learnt what works and doesn't with them? Now if only Vale would hurry up and post me mine 😭
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In reply to Post #221
If the joints are heavy duty nylon then they should be fine,it's the main thing that's concerning me too
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In reply to Post #209
I'll.wait and see.on those joints. Looks like it's weakest link.
All in all, it does look like it ticks all the boxes, good colour, good height, got pockets, a clip on the ceiling, good sizing.
I think Fox will shake up the market with this bivvy.
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In reply to Post #219
The inner dome according to fox will reduce the Xd to the size of the x internally
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In reply to Post #217
Good call that, hopefully give a few bob discount with a decent order. With regard to the inner dome, does this significantly reduce the internal area?
I'm assuming its purpose is to reduce condensation inside the inner shell?
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In reply to Post #207
I'm in the same boat.. waiting 6 months to see and hear some decent reviews. If all good I'll buy
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In reply to Post #214
Yeah xd is the daddy, no bigger than the tempest v2 bivvy apart from height... Personally not a fan of the inner dome... Think you can get some discount off a few if you give them a ring... Vale as below
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In reply to Post #215
No more than the vapour peak mate
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Does anyone know if the overwrap extends the bivvy at all
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In reply to Post #213
Sounds good doesn't it, I've just checked at Vale Angling, the XD with the inner dome, vapour peak, wrap and mossy screen is £1,059 all included.
I'm assuming the XD is the daddy size, so all being well, I'm penning one in around May this year.
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In reply to Post #211
I get looked after at Vale so this could become my new shelter
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In reply to Post #209
Cheers bud, I’m wanting one for the same reasons ,flat back and a bit more height than the tempest, I love the ease of setting the tempest up 👍🏼
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In reply to Post #210
I love the tempest, I went for a titan years ago for the same reasons I've gone for the frontier but it was a faff to set up and take down so went back to the tempest for that reason, when the frontier came out I thought yep I fancy that and took the plunge, I put it up yesterday and it proved to be bang for what I want and knew straight away I liked it more than he tempest... As long as no issues going forward then happy days.... Plus second hand market is ridiculous at the moment and got good money for the tempest and had change after buying the frontier. Plenty of companies will offer 10% off minimum, I just took advantage of the black Friday discount at vale. Plus vale are competitive especially with fox products.
I'll keep you posted mate and will always post an honest review...
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In reply to Post #209
will see how you get on with it,my mate wants my tempest and skullcap so frontier won't cost me much
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In reply to Post #208
Footprint is just as good as the tempest bivvy as bedchair goes right the the back, elbow joints are very good actually, good quality and don't budge once joined, the block is a lot better than I was expecting, very solid.
Material is thicker than I was expecting and yes beads off nicely
The frontier x is noticeably taller than tempest bivvy which I like, especially for he the back lol...
The tempest is more pleasing on he eye and don't get me wrong it's a cracking bivvy but I wanted the flat back, pockets inside are useful, clip in groundsheet and more useable footprint.
The front can be left on without a door, I found this a bit of a faff to erect and take down, when you take it off its as quick to erect and take down as the tempest...
Obviously over time let's see how it goes but very happy and delivered exactly what I wanted...
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In reply to Post #205
Do the plastic elbow joints feel strong and does water bead off the material like the old ventec
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In reply to Post #202
I'm waiting to see feedback on these after they have been used for a while.I really like the look of them and I think I will get one if not too many issues occur
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In reply to Post #190
Footprint size how does the frontier x compare to the tempest?
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In reply to Post #202
I paid 500 for the bivvy, skull cap and mozzi mesh which I think in comparison to he tempest bivvy is good value. I can confirm its absolutely fine with no leaks, so a good buy. Plus like I've said I prefer the design and features
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In reply to Post #203
Facebook post mate for £1k, with all the bells and whistles.
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In reply to Post #202
Who the hell is selling frontiers for a grand? I paid less than half that all in.
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In reply to Post #201
I'm not disagreeing there are problems Braders, but for the sake of a shelter costing the thick end of a grand, personally speaking, I'd prefer to just hold off and wait until it's been real life tested and demonstrated to be up to the task.
I'm still using a 30 year old Powerplus professional bivvy, and I'm not saying a bivvy has to last forever but you do expect value for money.
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In reply to Post #200
Im sorry to say that everytime you buy a shelter these days it's potluck.I don't know of any make of shelter that has not had issues.I have the Tempest v2 bivvy,two had to go back before I got a good one
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In reply to Post #199
Ah I see, so that's okay then, let's throw caution to wind and just hope it turns out alright??
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In reply to Post #198
Experience.... So you agree your judging this bivvy on past brollies... I am sure your bivvy manufacturer of choice has released a bad egg...
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In reply to Post #197
Not not really, the ultra 60 brolly that fell apart before my eyes was in my imagination too, forgive me if I question the pedigree it's from experience and sweet .... all to do with "appearing cool".
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In reply to Post #195
In comparison to trakker aqua and a few others the price point is good, plus I got 20% off from vale during black fridwy
Regarding your Guinea pig comment, you do know that fox have made some cracking bivvies over the years and to judge them on the supa brolly for every bit of tackle they release is ridiculous... But hey you wanna look cool on the forum
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In reply to Post #193
Why?? Is that including wrap because that's extortionate lol.
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In reply to Post #194
I was just looking on Ebay, bit behind the curve on this bivvy but I see everything apart from the shell is an extra. Reminds me of walking into a well known car dealership where everything beyond the steering wheel is an option.
Really like the look of it, but it's a lot of dough for the privilege of being the guinea pig.
Think I'll wait til the long term use reviews come in which tell you the bits that have fell apart.
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Make that 2 for sale. See another too
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Already one for sale on fb, Full XD set up........£1000! Ouch!
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In reply to Post #190
Nice one mate. I've not owned a tempest but my brother who has the v2 said if he had the money and needed a new one he would also choose the frontier. Shock to see the following comment mock the bivvy without owning it
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In reply to Post #190
Just dont get it wet
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In reply to Post #189
Got my frontier x today and very impressed. Material certainly isn't paper thin and very good quality... Goes up and down quick, noticeably taller than tempest bivvies. The block is solid and the elbow joints are bang on. Flat back is great and has plenty of space in front of bedchair
Well made, well thought out and having owned a tempest for the last 8 years the frontier imo opinion is better alround. Pricing point spot on in comparison to the tempest....
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In reply to Post #188
Why the manufacturer? If you had an issue with a pair of Nike trainers, purchased from jd sports, you wouldn’t go direct to Nike would you? Why is fishing tackle different? Cars, whilst in warranty, go back to where you purchased them, not to head office. Out of warranty your on your own. Yes some companies will offer to fix there own stuff, out of warranty, but at your cost. But during warranty, the shop should take responsibility for it, wether they swap it or send it off.
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In reply to Post #186
? And not the manufacturer of said alarm. Even if Fox had an issue a call or email would usually suffice initially.
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In reply to Post #185
Cheers bud 👍
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In reply to Post #179
Those are all made in the UK so hardly a fair comparison and as has been said first port of call is the retailer but he bought them second hand so no warranty, may have been better going to daletronics or a local electrical repairs.
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In reply to Post #184
Mine moved in to position easily when setting up which I was surprised with as I've hear stories of other new bivvies being really tight until its been used. Following instructions for setup was easy.
I struggled at first taking it down because there aren't instructions to follow. After having a little play around you have to push up slightly on the middle pole (shouldn't need much pressure) and then on the block there is like a button thing which will release the catch for the middle pole to come down. Really impressed with how quick it is to fix into position and put down on my first attempts.
Lived the groundsheet too! Goodluck!
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In reply to Post #169
Hi, so how does this ETS work for putting bar down? Just received mine today, I'd like to go at it for warned 👍
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In reply to Post #182
To be honest I never really had a good feel of the material around the bivvy. It certainly doesn't let much light inside so it's not like the sun will be beaming through because of the thinness, mine was up in the conservatory so was pretty much outside.
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In reply to Post #168
what did you think of the fabric ? is it very thin
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In reply to Post #180
I know that Fox get’s bashed for bad service.
Living in Holland I have a very good experience with Fox.
My old Evolution Bivvy lasted me for 16 years.
Even after this model was discontinued, I broke the front pole by my own fault.
My local shop ordered a new one from the warehouse in Belgium.
Within a week I received the pole.
Also the Fox salesman visited the shops on frequent base.
They always were very helpfull.
Nevertheless I like the concept of the Frontier.
Currently I use a Tempest Brolly which I will use till it is worn out.
So if the Frontier is still around then it will be a good candidate as new bivvy.
But of course time will tell if the Frontier is a good bivvy.
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In reply to Post #179
If fox don't stock the spare part then they have to get it from Belgium.I have only ever had very good customer service from most tackle companies apart from Nash and Cotswold Aquarius.Lets be honest tell me a company who make a shelter that has not had any issues,original aqua maybe
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In reply to Post #176
He bought them from someone else, he didn’t get them from a shop bud. Doesn’t really matter where you get something you would expect a lot better than that seeing he was paying for them to sort it out, a few companies can get your stuff back in a couple of days. Delkim/ jag/ century for example I broke one of my txi-d (my fault before anyone moans) I fell over my pod when it was icy before Xmas and kicked one of my alarms. I sent it in to be fixed on the Monday and they fixed it free of charge and I had it back by the Thursday, obviously I don’t expect that sort of turn around with everyone but anything over two weeks is taking the piss in my view
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In reply to Post #177
I've seen many of comments on here saying that trakker are not what they used to be and the quality and workmanship had dropped over the years. I'm impressed with the frontier so far but until its on the bank and enduring some weather and use I can't say much more. I had a trakker slx before and took a while to put up, this took me 3-4 minutes on my first go. Love the spreader block
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In reply to Post #174
"Fox have made some great shelters in the past,"
You answered your own post without even realizing it, yes they all made some good products in the PAST. Now margin and money is king, **** the end user, put the prices up so you can build failure into the design. Fox still make good alarms but everything else is brass plated crap that everyone else sell's even blokes on Ebay.
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In reply to Post #175
Why was he going to fox with a problem with an alarm. That has only been out for 2 years. Thats going back to the shop, and they are swapping it for one that works. I dont get this fascination within fishing where you have to deal with the manufacturer. The retailer is responsible for sorting faulty products, especially when they are that new.
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In reply to Post #174
For me it’s not the quality of the products it’s the awful customer service and after care, a mate waited for almost 2 months for something to be sorted with a rx+ he had when he sent it off, after care makes a company and brand in my opinion. Got nothing against the products but no chance would I get anything big off them, had a xl bivvy leak on me aswell but tft sorted that out for me without having to go to fox directly thank god
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Funny how you always get the fox basher jumping on most fox product threads. Can only assume they or newbies or have poor memories. Fox have made some great shelters in the past, frontier, original explorer, evo ect, great alarms at various price points, good bedchair and systems, sleeping bags and covers, they've even made some great rods and end tackle. They may have made some duff products but most companies have.
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The only downside I can see with this bivvy is that you can't keep the peaked wrap on permanently.
It does look a tad Rizla thin, though that's all part of the gig, like the tempest, super light. Oh, and those plastic joints look a bit snappy. I do like the colour.
Edited: to avoid flame warfare.
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Let’s hope your conservatory doesn’t have a build up of condensation
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In reply to Post #170
Lol. Was only in conservatory so no
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In reply to Post #169
Has it leaked yet?
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In reply to Post #168
Sorted it. Easy when you figure it out
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In reply to Post #164
Got mine and put it up in the conservatory, chuffed with it. Only issue is how do you take it down? Lol. The middle pole that clicks into place is firm and dont want to force it down and break it if this isn't how it's done
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In reply to Post #165
Some shops had stock delivered later, place where I ordered mine only had their delivery on Monday, I know some had them last week so hopefully by the end of the week they'll have yours, might be worth contacting them to check
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In reply to Post #164
Got it out and had a look at it yet? Any first impressions without being on the bank?
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Hi All,
Well...... I got my over wrap for the XD from Angling Direct, which incidently was ordered 3 weeks after I had placed the order for the XD and inner dome with Total Fishing Tackle...... havent received this from TFT yet, hopefully soon ! Anyone else got theirs from TFT yet ?
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In reply to Post #163
Got mine today 👏🏼👍🏼
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In reply to Post #160
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In reply to Post #160
Still might not be able to use it till then!
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In reply to Post #160
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I thought it was all a ploy. Fox just delaying till summer when the drier weather arrives 🤣
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In reply to Post #158
Yes mate
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In reply to Post #157
Is that the x model
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In reply to Post #151
My preorder is being shipped from the shop to me tomorrow, cant wait!
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Read that a few people have got theres now. Anyone on here had theirs yet?
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In reply to Post #154
The one that wont leak?
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In reply to Post #152
So they are stuck at the frontier then?
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In reply to Post #151
I was told by my shop they were getting a batch this week/early next week for them to ship out to us. Nkt taken payment yet so not sure what's happening. Another local shop said they have a few in stock, not sure what's happening tbh
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This was from Total Fishing Tackle :
Total FIshing Tackle (Total Fishing Tackle)
20 Jan 2021, 11:30 GMT
Hello,
We are sorry about this - unfortunately, the world is not in a normal place regarding the pandemic and now the effects Brexit is having. All our manufactures are struggling to get stock shipped across from their suppliers. Most manufacturers are being told that they are looking at May/June time for new stock coming from their suppliers due to Brexit and the pandemic.
Regarding the Frontiers - we were told Fox was going to send our first batch at the start of January as per the announcement they did before Christmas. Unfortunately, due to Brexit - they are currently struggling to get the Frontiers across the borders. Us, Fox and all the tackle shops are working closely to get them into the UK as soon as humanly possible but for now we would really appreciate your patience with all of us to get this sorted for you. There is going to be a major delay with these, but all the tackle shops are going to be in the same position. If you decide to cancel your pre-order and you want to then replace it, you will be going to the back of the queue for the list of pre-orders we have, and it will be a longer wait.
Our advice to all our customers is to be as patient as you can (we know you want them so badly - so do we!!), stay safe indoors and we make a promise to you as soon as we gain stock from the manufacture - we will send them out in order of whom ordered first etc so it is fair. The day we receive any - we will send them out.
We hope to hold your pre-order with us Total Fishing Tackle and we hope to be able to send these out to you in the future. For now, we really appreciate your patience and custom with us.
From all of us at Total Fishing Tackle - THANK YOU!
Kind Regards
Emily
Customer Service & Sales Manager
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Available in a tackleshop in Sweden to. There is poping up some videos on you tube. Seen two from Poland, one of them shows quite much of the bivys.
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They are available in Belgium now.
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In reply to Post #133
Let me know when u test it out, looks really good great price as well. Im sure raptor will use good quality materials.
Watched a video where they put 2 large bedchairs in with a bit of room to spare. And skull cap is really cheap.
Looks like a lovely bit of kit
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Fox could of sent out some of the bivvies in December,they did not want to send out part orders or supply some shops and not others.They decided to make it fair to hold them back until they could get all pre-orders for all shops fulfilled.
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Hi All,
Just heard back from Fox, the bivvies should arrive at shops on or around 19th January
Fingers crossed !!!!
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In reply to Post #144
Fox put out on their Facebook page that the container got held up in Belgium before Xmas.
Stock due in the UK 1st week of Jan.
Keeping everything g crossed!
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Anybody had any updates, the last one was late Deccember !
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In reply to Post #141
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In reply to Post #141
Summer days are hot in Belgium these days (also available in green, next week to the shop then I decide which color)
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In reply to Post #138
If you’re hiding in the desert.
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In reply to Post #139
Match my luggage nicely too
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In reply to Post #138
A thinking anglers camfleck would look pretty wild 👍
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In reply to Post #134
That camo is nice
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In reply to Post #130
Some companies are already showing March for some orders
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In reply to Post #134
Belgium (Ostend)
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In reply to Post #133
You planing on using it in Helmand Province?
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Pass on the fox frontier Xd, my new Bivvy is waiting for me in the store
Rcg Alpha X1 Camo
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In reply to Post #131
You're not the only 1 waiting for 1 bud
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In reply to Post #130
I realize I should have known better, we live and we learn !
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In reply to Post #129
Only yourself to blame selling your other bivvy. The companies have absolutely no control over when products are getting into the country at present
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Okay, so the latest on the Frontier from Fox is that due to "COVID" the retailers wont get the bivvies til mid December. This has really upset me as I now have to use my Sonik Brolly for 10 days in France as I sold my previous bivvy !!!! To say I am brassed off is an understatement ! 
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T3 £500 price is for the first version (first version had water issues) and I don't think you want that bivvy if you go fishing alone, lol good luck setting up on your own
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In reply to Post #126
Bargain by todays prices for the king of bivvies.
#pukkapies #steakandkidney #chickenandmushroom.
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In reply to Post #124
And the T3 is now £500
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Im told by my local shop who is a large fox dealer that the bivvies are at port but waiting to be unloaded as there is a huge backlog of containers in all uk docks.
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In reply to Post #122
They do, the T3 is huge and high but also heavy at about 24kg.
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Actually a joke:
Frontier 5 years in development and you get a skull cap that you have to fasten with velcro , even the Quest outerblock/Defier has a Skull cap with elastic adjustable strap with snap closure
If I tick all the requirements on my list then the Rcg Alpha x1 comes out as the best
-156 high Middle (door 148)
-inner capsule
-full overwrap
- new camo version soon
-Bigger than Frontier XD (even with Inner capsule)
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I think youve hit the nail on the head there ! I am partially disabled but have always had Nash up until the Fox R series 1 man xl as it was taller. I had been hunting for a replacement and loved the new T1 but at 135 tall it was not easy for me to use. Once again Fox seems to have come to the rescue ........ I initially ordered a Ridge Monkey XFF2 Compact, but it would have taken a lorry to get to the swim ! I think companies have to try to aim a market at the older/ disabled fisher persons. I wish Nash would produce a T1 XL version, it would be a winner !
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In reply to Post #110
The nash Hog is a decent bit of kits mines 5-6 years old my Nash Canvas fits it like a glove and I have the Nylon winter skin for it as well.
However getting in and out of it when it’s pissing down becomes a ball ache (as I head towards 50), although I think it’s great I’ve been very impressed with the Titan T1
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In reply to Post #60
Still have a powerplus professional and Nash Canvas and Extreme. Most bivvies have been variations there after the dillo was decent and yet didn’t offer anything more imo. I remember the original titans seams seemed to fall off after a couple of years which put me off
I’ve only just purchased a Titan T1 Camo partly because a mate has the original Camo Titan which is doing well and the fact I’ve considering another Bivvy for the last 10 years. Mixed views about the tempest on my syndicate due to quality and it never offered much in way of an upgrade from my Hog. The Titans design is simplistic and actually works extremely well. I pretty much lift it out of the bag the poles are then put together fanned out and secured at the front it’s impressive.
As for the Fox the locking mechanism just screams potential failure to me so it just didn’t enter into my mind.
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In reply to Post #117
I got told by Johnson Ross that Fox had given them a date of the 30th of November, but I guess it is a moveable feast at the moment with things coming from China.
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In reply to Post #117
I actually found the xl bivvy really easy to put up and down, way quicker than I expected. Ok I did sell it and get a tempest just the build quality wasn’t very good but I liked the idea of a taller one man bivvy without the bigger footprint
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In reply to Post #113
I too had the R Series 1 man XL - it was an absolute bitch to put up and take down ! I have ordered the Frontier XD too, due to the height and hopefully an easier set up. I just wish Fox would confirm when the stockissts will have them in. It gets my goat, when they take your money and nothing happens for ages !
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In reply to Post #60
True.
I can remember Fox gear being very good stuff.
You bought a Fox bedchair, you knew it would last. I had a Fox Premier bedchair I think it was for years. I bought it in the early 1990's, I finally binned it 3 years ago when the legs jammed. My son was born in 2000, he used it until his teens when he fished with me. That lasted longer in total than my last 3 bedchairs put together.
Jekh shelter, a 50inch overwrap, well made, mine took plenty of abuse, wind, rain, mud, never drying mine out properly between sessions. I sold it for some reason when I was skint.
The original Fox EasyDome, again, very good in winter, easy to put up, a decent skullcap type top.
The Mk.ll was just as good.
The original Royale luggage was good, built to last. It was my own fault I broke a zip on an outer pocket on a rod holdall, I tried putting an EasyDome inside it...
I used that when I sold a set of FMJ's on ebay as the packing with them in tubes inside.
The person who bought the rods was chuffed, just replaced the zip.
On the other side, Nash luggage, rod holdalls and rucksacks were pants, zips forever breaking, I even had the whole of the shoulder section split on a rucksack, while under guarantee, it took months to replace.
I would never buy Nash gear, I think his customer service also put me right off...
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In reply to Post #113
Well be sure to let us know how you get on with it
I like the look and headroom of the XD, and the flat back design is great for tight swims.
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In reply to Post #108
No doubt they have been 3-4 years in development 🤣🤣
Sadly they don’t field test during that time though 🤣
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In reply to Post #105
I have pre-ordered the XD, inner dome and skull cap. I don't really see the need for the inner dome, but in for a penny, in for a pound.
What swung it for me was the height. I have had a Titan, and loved it, but it was just too low. I currently have an r-series 1 man xl, which has the height, but feels quite cheap and is a swine to put up, plus it tears at pegging points.
Whats the worst that can happen? If its crap, I'll return it.
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For me it comes down to how much space you have inside, I would go for the XD along with the inner dome but 260 x 198.5 doesn't seem big for 2/3 day / night sessions, myGerman shepherd also has to come along and occasionally my son (5 years old)
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I have both the Tempest V2 Bivvy and Brolly. The bivvy I think is massive, that’s why I bought the brolly as the bivvy don’t fit in a lot of the swims on my club.
I actually really like the look of this bivvy but want to see one in the flesh and wait til they have been out a while, bit sad that it’s come to waiting for a product to be tested by paying anglers as companies don’t seem to want to do the leg work these days 😡
I think I will go for the X model if it is somewhere between the Tempest bivvy and brolly in size and sell both my Tempest’s to fund it 😳. Was thinking of the XD but it’s not far off what the Tempest bivvy is size was (width anyway) so hoping the X is more suited to me
This bivvy has the potential to be good on paper, just hope it lives up to the hype and is made to do the job it was designed for
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In reply to Post #105
only ever been one decent brolly/ bivvy system and that was the Nash oval and over throw, bring them back out with slight updates, eg space saver ribs and updated material on the over throw and that would be
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In reply to Post #108
Thats true
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In reply to Post #106
You'll be knackered if everyone is thinking the same thing
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In reply to Post #106
Likewise, I think I’ll see how they fair up once more people start to use them 😁
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In reply to Post #105
I'm going wait til a few people have fieldtested them
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Has anyone opted to go for one of these? Having read all comments it would there will never be a perfect brolly bivvy system as there will always be something overlooked. Based on that I’m poised at pulling the trigger on the XD and placing a pre-order.
I have been hugely let down by Cyprinus. Bought their top end product, Typhoon DPM MH Ripstop. First one had three holes in it. Sent me a replacement and found a hole in it. I couldn’t be arsed inspecting any further as I lost all confidence in it. Not to mention the “heavy duty” groundsheet. It’s unacceptable to call it heavy duty. It’s as thin as the bivvy layer itself. In fact, the one and only time I went out in the first bivvy with 3 holes, the groundsheet was showing signs of penetration through it in two different areas. Basically, in a bit shell, it’s very poor quality which is why I’m looking at the XD version. I want height and at 165cm ticks a box most others don’t. And with some pretty cool features I’m very tempted.
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In reply to Post #103
This new Fox will be a slight less impressive version of the Nash Titan t1/2 which are rock solid and well made.
The only improvements I could make to the T1/2 is poles to have plastic moulded ends to stop the inner cord rubbing eventually. The other is clear side windows to compliment the camo front side ones (had mine done by army Andy)
Perhaps a very small improvement might be an air gap for the rear mozzi vents and internally zips too.
Seeking perfection is hard eh 🤣🤣
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In reply to Post #100
My one man xl ripped at one of the pegging points its second trip out. I drafted in my mother in law to repair it and reinforce all the pegging points. Its a real shame, as besides that it is a top bivvy.
I am tempted by the Frontier XD, but I worry about the quality. I also worry it is supplied with guy ropes for 'extreme weather', that suggests to me there is a problem with the aerodynamics.
I trust Trakker on quality more than any other company, however they don't make a one man bivvy with the same headroom as Fox or Nash.
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In reply to Post #100
Not sure what the new stuff is like. The explorer that i had was a very thick heavy nylon type. top material
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In reply to Post #99
I am not sure what the frontier is like but I have repaired about 10 fox bivvies in the last couple of weeks the xl retreat with ripped pegging points.
there is a design fault with the way they have done the pegging points and they need to be reinforced
I have emailed fox but got no response
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In reply to Post #96
Yeh your right remember buying one still think to this day wish I didn't sell it lol
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In reply to Post #96
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I had the original pram hood style Fox Frontier and have regretted selling it ever since I did 😢. Do like the look of this new Frontier though
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In reply to Post #95
Pioneers were available early 2004.......
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In reply to Post #86
I don’t think the pioneers are that old are they, I would say around 15 years, could be wrong?
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In reply to Post #93
Brilliant
That's the one
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In reply to Post #91
In the loft i have an old nash 50 inch Brolly throw. But its from when the brollys began being angled
With storm poles.
That was my second shelter after the brolly camp
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In reply to Post #86
Excellent.
So nash invented the outer rib central block
And fox invented the skull cap.
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In reply to Post #89
Lovely
In the loft i have an old nash 50 inch Brolly throw. But its from when the brollys began being angled
With storm poles. I,last used it at Darenth in 2006 I think. Still worked fine.
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In reply to Post #89
Ah, the memories
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Brolly camp was the most innovative
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In reply to Post #85
Definitely Nash has been a traiblazer. Not sure if Nash was the first to bring out a throw over brolly wrap. Sure he just did the sides for the nu brollies and then went onto come out with his one brollies. One of my mates had the camo 60" oval and was well ultra cult. After the oval Nash jobby, nu brollies were so last year.
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In reply to Post #85
Nash wash very innovative in the early years of his business.
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In reply to Post #83
The explorer was first as I had the explorer and and fished a water that sir Pete was also on and he was given the first pioneer and remember him getting it.
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In reply to Post #84
All in Pauls loft.
Seriously, people drop out of angling all the time. My bro and his mate both have perfectly good armos. They haven't been for years. New guys start up and think the Tempest is ground zero.
Anyway, wouldn't it be fsir to say Nash is the most innovative with the round canvas Brolly wrap. oval, oval wrap
Then Titan?
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In reply to Post #82
There must be a boatload of perfectly good Armadillo's sitting around somewhere.
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In reply to Post #79
Scozza. Which came out first the Explorer or the Pioneer do you know?
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In reply to Post #77
They must have realised that Trakker have been coining it in and followed suit. Their sales must have been affected as lakes and pits are full of anglers with Tempests. There's only a handful of blokes that haven't got them on the syndicate I'm on.
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In reply to Post #80
It’s coming back to me. I believe they do two versions of the Frontier, one had maybe better poles and material. They were a pram hood, with a flatfish back! that had folding joints like an evo compact that I had, didn’t get on with them myself
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In reply to Post #79
Ah yes ... it was indeed the Explorer
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Could be wrong here. Never had a Frontier, I had the explorer. The Frontier as I remember them was was like an armo pram hood style with a more square frame, or looked like one, no block? The explorer had the block
And guess what, the explorer had a mini skull cap which fastened on with toggle / clips 
Modern designs eh
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Interesting thread .... I always liked the original Frontier as it was flat fronted (from memory) and had a small peak with wrap (again from memory) and similar in shape to the Titan etc .... so was only matter of time before Fox released them ..... but for me all these blocks, legs, elbows, storm poles etc etc whether Fox, Nash, Trakker or Aqua .... is all stuff that can go wrong .... and as someone who has had most designs mentioned in this thread and still have a few in my loft (Compact Evo anyone?, Tempest Brolly etc) ... i still dont think the peaked pram hood can be beaten and im very glad to have been off the bivvy merry go round in recent years
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In reply to Post #75
Im thinking, in this case, they have done that on purpose. Used their own inhouse tech to save costs and any legal issues. And then made the hub look a bit rounder so it looks like a Tempest somit sells well. Cant beat em join em.
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In reply to Post #73
And being the knob that I am, Aqua bought out the first ever fishing bivvy, so in one way or another they have all copied Aqua.
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In reply to Post #67
I take your point where both the tempest and the new fox thing borrow their ideas from. The point I was making was the immediate look of foxes frontier looking identical to trakkers bivvy
Where the skullcap hooks onto looks a weak point, time will tell on that front.
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In reply to Post #70
Titan before Pioneer
Edit - just seen your last post
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A bit of digging. The Nash Titan came out in 1993. That predates the pioneer by many years.
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In reply to Post #71
Indeed. And judging by their video they are still bloody using it. Got their moneys worth
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In reply to Post #70
Chris also came up with the original Evo which was sold to Fox👍
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In reply to Post #68
Yes. Under liscence from Aqua. A little while after that Chis Manifold came up with the Pioneer
Imdo not know which came first. The Pioneer or the Titan?
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In reply to Post #65
I’m definitely more of a knob.
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In reply to Post #59
I had a fox explorer. Heavy bivvy that but a cracking bit of kit
Your right though. A Titan has got to be the first that I am aware of with the block system. Had an original Hi top too
Trakker had the armadillo, pram hood, wasn’t this their first tent?
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In reply to Post #62
Surely it looks as much like the titan and
Explorer as it does the Tempest. Personally I dont
Buy any fox stuff. I have no allegience to them.
I agree blatent copies are rife in angling.
However I feel in this case with the crappy plastic knees
Like the evo compact, the explorer type spreading hub
And the evo type click in front poles they have
Bastsrdised their own kit and made something that's aesthetically similar to the best selling family of bivvies.
Which judging by the response has worked.
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In reply to Post #64
Why what did you say
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In reply to Post #64
Noobs. Not knobs
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In reply to Post #59
I’m one of the knobs then. Cos I gave them a bit of stick on their instagram post yesterday.
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In reply to Post #58
Must have got through a lot of crayons in that time.
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In reply to Post #59
Oh come on. Are you really trying to convince me that they have taken ideas from designs they've made before yet mysteriously looks exactly the same as a Tempest? Pure coincidence, nothing to see here
Wasn't it Titan, Pioneer then the Fox number?
By the way, I'm still rocking a carbon compact. The Tempest I mentioned earlier does look interesting
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In reply to Post #60
That is the truest thing that has been said so far on this thread
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In reply to Post #59
Once upon a time you wouldn't have had a thread like this because there was less product around but it was built to last.
I've still got my UK made Armo, knocks spots off anything out there today, in over 30 years i've had 3 bivvies the latest being a Tempest, other than vents nothing much has changed except the quality and price.
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In reply to Post #52
I think the reason loads on youtube say it's exactly like the Tempest is likely noobs that only know
a post Tempest world.
As I pointed out Fox had the Explorer, Nash had the Titan . Both using a central block many years ago.
Before that Fox had the evo which was the first ribs on the outside shelter unless im much mistaken.
If you know the evo, this latest Fox bivvy borrows as much from that as it does the old explorer.
Pushing down on a hub and forcing a front pole into a slot is very evo.
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In reply to Post #54
He has a point, there is nothing groundbreaking in the design, 5 years to come up with that ? Do me a favor i know the Fox lot aren't the sharpest tools in the shed but 5 years
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In reply to Post #55
It’s interesting that you say this. I’ve had a few bivvys over time. Original Evo, no issues. Original Dillo and Aqua M3, no issues. First Supa Brolly, no issues. Tempest V1, had 3. Broke the zip on 1 in Leslies proving a point how bad they were. V2, still got for the moment but it has had the front arms replaced because they are absolutely pony. Evo Compact, still got and use for 95% of my angling. The V2 will be going and getting replaced as I’ve been waiting for something like the Frontier for a while
Out of all the bivvys I’ve had the design that I like the most has been the most problematic due to awful build quality.
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In reply to Post #55
Not in that order though, trakker have the patent on that
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In reply to Post #50
Time will tell as always, my money is on all that netting falling apart first followed by the material de-laminating followed by the MK2 at 20% more money.
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In reply to Post #52
Ok bud, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
ESP is actually a good call. They made a mistake going into reels though👍
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In reply to Post #52
Get it right, he is team trakker, I'm team fox.
#pukka pies #steakandkidney #chickenandmushroom.
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In reply to Post #48
I’m pretty sure that there are lots of added design features that make the Frontier different to the Tempest.
Yeah, by calling it the Frontier instead of the Tempest, oh, and a non folding block instead of Trakkers block. True innovators. Amazing.
There are reams of other people commenting on the YouTube video that Fox have put up in English saying the same thing, so I know I'm not alone. Maybe you're team Fox? I do like the green they've used. If I were looking for a new bivvy I'd go for a Tempest advanced 100 as much as I dislike their funny green they use.
Fox is like the tackle you buy when you first get into carp angling, cheap and cheerful and does a job, then it falls to bits, and then you move on never to make the same mistake twice.
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In reply to Post #49
Tell me a company that doesn’t?
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In reply to Post #48
Probably because they have form for selling *****.
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In reply to Post #47
Let’s just get right to the point that you are just bashing Fox here. If you think the block design is Trakkers then you truly are deluded. They have taken a design and then put their own spin on it. If Tempests were actually made well then I could understand your attitude to others modifying the design. I’m pretty sure that there are lots of added design features that make the Frontier different to the Tempest.
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In reply to Post #44
That's a very good point
This is where Fox can wriggle if it came to it. To me they look nigh on identical, even down to the bag the thing goes in. It's like all they can do is copy and can't come up with their own unique ideas.
Fox used to be a brand leader with the original purpose built bedchair, now like sheep, they just follow the heard and copy well proven ideas. Pee poor in my book.
I will say that they have advanced Chris Manifolds Tempest design, so there's something on the plus side.
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In reply to Post #45
I think they look pretty good. I have a rtempest already so won’t be buying one, but from a tempest bivvy user, I have the following thoughts on this.
If you watch the clip where it shows a breakdown of the central boss, it actually looks quite solid, the clip system looks fairly strong and issue free, a better twist on the system than cyprinus.
The nylon elbows look like a good idea, badly executed. The fixed loop for the skull cap is a massive improvement on the trakker system where you have to bolt bits of plastic on, however, I’d like to have seen the elbows fitted on the top of the poles as this would allow the skull cap to remain fitted, seems a simple thing to have overlooked.
Increased head room all round, which from what I read on here, seems to be a major gripe with the tempests.
I’d liken buying this to buying a bmw. If you go for the cheaper bottom of the range one, you don’t get the side vents on the door, or there advanced vents on the sides, and I’m assuming the ones fitted will not be able to be zipped down. If you buy bottom of the range, we will let you and everyone else know about it.
Overall looks good, and nothing wrong with a bit of competition, imagine how good trakker next helping will be.
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Quite like the look of it to be honest.
What else would I have liked to see, UV rating on the vapour peak, even on the bivvy upper, removable mesh panels so if you screw one up you can zip another in, being able to open the rain window without having to go outside to do it.
Concerns, that click into place centre pole, I hope it doesn't rely on plastic in the clip, ie it'll wear and no longer click into place.
Only problem, I'm still using my original Frontier every now and then, not to mention my V2 Air, not sure I'll get it past the Mrs.
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In reply to Post #40
The main Thing about the pioneer and tempest block is that it hinges. Everyone else seem to be
Avoiding that.
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In reply to Post #40
All Nash alarms look like they are upside down anyway. There is only so much you can do with bivvy design, look at the pramhood system that every company has used. Personally I love the Tempest type design for a bivvy, it is just a shame that they are all so poorly made and yes I have owned V1 and V2. If these new tweeks by Fox move things forward then this is good. As for people mentioning about the nylon joints then I'm all for this as you will get a degree of flex which should be more robust and longer lasting. The alloy poles of the V2 seem to be made of paper mache
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In reply to Post #41
Not so sure about that..... fox took an injunction out against Nash in the early 90's when they introduced their stinger indicator.
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In reply to Post #40
I'm sure they would not give a flying ****
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In reply to Post #34
It might have a scullcap which no doubt was ripped off of the Pioneer, it's the block arrangement that's the same with a slight variation.
I wonder what Fox would make of say Nash bringing out a buzzer and remote that looked exactly the same as their RX buzzer setup, called it the XR and just put the dials upside down and a speaker jack?
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In reply to Post #38
The forum would be no fun that way though .I think it looks very good and will be keeping a very close eye on feedback.I have had my fair share of trakker bivvies that have been utter dog *****.I now have the v2 bivvy and its actually a good one,a lad I fish with had 3 returns before he got a good one.I think most have issues from time to time
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Sheesh..... some of these comments. Just a few observations. While the block has similarities to others, it has some unique differences and appears to have a very quick set up time. The poles come up almost vertically at the sides to maximise space while keeping the footprint sensible. The frontier and the x models are much more competitively priced than the tempest and It looks to be just as versatile at the tempest/typhoon.
It"looks" like a good alternative to the tempest. I guess build quality will be a case of wait and see, but I've had my share of ***** from other companies over the years.
If it's not for you, fine but let's wait and see what the feedback is from users before writing it off.
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In reply to Post #33
LMFAO
you dont get out much do you mate ?
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In reply to Post #35
Wait till he sees Cyrpinus and Quest 😂
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In reply to Post #33
Seriously go and have a word with yourself mate
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In reply to Post #33
google the old fox explorer bivvy. it predates the tempest by a few years. and it had a skull cap.
its similar to the titan. this new borrows heavily from that. but with more of an evo arrangement at the front.
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Unless Trakker have some sort of deal with Fox, I'd say sue Fox to oblivion for direct copyright infringement.
About time they had their arses handed to them for ripping of other people's ideas.
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It's a very expensive sieve....
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In reply to Post #15
Really like the look of it me. I certainly wont be buying one straight out the shop though, been stung way too many times with being the paying field tester and I do agree with a poster below, any bivvy that comes with storm guides instantly makes me worry about how stable it is
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In reply to Post #26
It will be a heavy duty nylon like on the tempest block and nash surely
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Getting up around FudgeMonkey money by the time you've bought all the add ons for the XD, £689 with inner capsule then add mozzy mesh vapour peak and winterskin comes in at £1060.00 notes might get it a bit less when shops mark down on the RRP.
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In reply to Post #27
They weigh about 4,5 kilo.
Indeed the material doesn't bead the water, that worried me a bit.
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In reply to Post #26
Some nice touches on these, not sure about that block long term though. Also they look heavy, I'll take a guess at 7kg stripped back for the small one lol
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What an awful video, more cheese on that than a triple cheese pizza with a stuffed crust......the guys monotone voice is as dull as dishwater....
It's a massive no from me just for the claims in the video alone, do Fox think we are all stupid.....5 years in development my arse, more like 5 minutes to email a picture of a Tempest/Titan/Typhoon to some geezer in China saying, "do us a mash up of this pal".....they are taking us for mugs, complete arrogance.... 
The material looked crap, not even slightly beading up when wet, far too much plastic that will soon go brittle and crack and any shelter that comes supplied with storm guide ropes screams unstable....
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Every company has bivvies that are a similar design
but nice to see a few slightly different tweaks like the wet weather vent and the blackout lining
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Looks like it has some very good features, nothing not to like at this point.
Youtube link
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In reply to Post #18
Ive always thought the tempest is a titan with a pioneer block. 75% Titan and a rejigged easier to use
Pioneer block.
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In reply to Post #17
Yes, thought so too. Fox is the Apple of the fishing brands.
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In reply to Post #19
500 then 550 for the x version 600 for the xd
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Just watched the video. Actually think it looks good, bit pricey though.
It’ll probably have its haters, but it looks like a lot of thought has gone into the design, with some unique features.
Some people have said that it has copied the tempest, but if that’s the case, then surely the tempest copied the Titan.
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The narration was cringeworthy 😂
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In reply to Post #14
Ah I see. My pioneer must be 15 and is still
Drum tight to put up.
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In reply to Post #12
Looked at the fox video and when i saw plastic elbows and plastic clips on the block it was a no for me. 5 years to cross a Hide with a Tempest..........really.
Love the no crouching/bending with Harry leaning forward is a great selling point
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In reply to Post #13
I loved my tempest brolly that was a doddle to fan out and get the front up in position.The bivvy seems a nightmare but its because the material is still new and does not have much give in it yet
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In reply to Post #12
Braders, ive only just got the tempest brolly. What have I got to not look forward to?
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I think it looks very good,the block looks well thought out.My tempest is still quite new and its still a ballache to set up
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In reply to Post #10
Crazy......
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In reply to Post #8
Oh mate. That supabrolly. People dropping
500 notes on leaky brolly that took half an hour to set up
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In reply to Post #7
If Fox can’t get this right first time with the tempest etc being out for so long then they are truly ****ed.......that’s said they can’t get a brolly right so may be a non runner from the start......
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looks nice,wait for the mk2 after the general public have field tested the mk1
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Finally the per.......................................................
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I like it.....
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In reply to Post #1
Looks ok.. does it have a trakker/crypi logo under there's lol
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Personally don’t like the look of the camo and the khaki green either one or the other for me, I’m a huge fan of the tempest but don’t like this
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Looks minging.... 
Has it really taken Fox "5 years of development" to rip off Trakker?
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Have you guys seen this new Tempest.... Uh, bivvy by Fox?
Looks like a very nice bivvy, but let's see how they cope.
Video: https://www.facebook.com/FoxIntBenelux/videos/3360495310708209/
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