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In reply to Post #89
I've been making small batches (2-3kg) of silly expensive JB boilies for barbel this season and have found steaming baits much more satisfactory than boiling . . . even on my wok burner its difficult to keep to a true rolling boil which screws up timing (I'm creating smaller 10/12mm baits and am paranoid about overboiling) and the amount of leakage/surface scum from the baits (I'm using a 60/40 F2/super-milk base mix) on the water surface has also been disturbing me, as well as making subsequent boils a pain.
Bought a simple domestic Morphy Richards multi-tier steamer (although I only use the lower tier) and now do them in this - much easier to control and as soon as the baits start to swell they are out on racks to air-dry . . . .no nutrient leakage and much more consistent results.
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In reply to Post #88
Yes in my head I knew that but its been a long time since I rolled my own. Any batches I've rolled that are too dry and cracked or misshaped have just been plugged up and used as loose feed or boilie crumb.
All good fun!! Although knowing you have come up with a base mix that can catch aswell any the best commercial baits takes a big leap of faith and commitment. There's always doubts in your mind!
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In reply to Post #89
Thanks Vossy and Baitman 👍🏻👍🏻
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In reply to Post #89
Any deep fat fryer will do it.
They will go off the boil for a short while when you put a new batch of boilies in but will soon come back to the boil.
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In reply to Post #1
Anyone got a current link for one of these orange guns from eBay/Amazon please? I’m currently using the deluxe Gardner aluminium gun with yellow witches hats. Which parts are interchangeable, is it just the yellow nozzles I can use or is it the cartridge too? I need it to take a 4 egg/500g dry mix which fits my existing gun perfectly.
Also, any links to suitable chip fryers for boiling purposes? Do they stay on a constant rolling boil? Any tips on use, like recommended amounts to try and boil in one go etc? Currently limited to 2 lines of of a large Gardner 20mm rolling table.
Many thanks in advance.
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In reply to Post #87
The general method is to stick to a set amount of liquids, eggs, hydros, etc, then add the amount of dry to achieve the correct firmness.
If it is very slightly too dry you can flick a bit of water over it and rework the paste without compromising the mix.
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In reply to Post #71
I've ordered a pack of witches nozzles now
With regard the poster questioning mix stiffness. The last batch I made was too stiff so I've upped the number of eggs / liquids. The mix is mainly birdfood along with kelp and crushed egg shells which I've always assumed is harder to gun out than a soft smooth milk mix!
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In reply to Post #80
I had similar with a 5mix pneumatic gun, it blew the whole nozzle adapter off the threaded end, it was the 4 nozzle solar one, it didn’t break it just jumped off the threads.
My mate was using it at the time and was standing next to me, it went past my head and put a big dent in the side of the freezer, thank christ it missed me.
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In reply to Post #84
Found the yellow ones now, thank you 
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In reply to Post #83
You may get away with 14 x 16 barrels, can't say I've tried though.
The yellow witches hats are the way to go, then just hand roll a sausage with the remaining paste in the nozzle and stick it on the table and roll.
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In reply to Post #82
Thanks mate. Have you got a suggestion for a alternative nozzle by any chance?
I typically use 15 or 16mm but Im looking to make barrels on a 14mm table but would like the flexibility for larger.
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In reply to Post #80
I’m not going to say I told you so in that other thread Dave
I knew that was coming  
And Vossy, the nozzles that come with the gun are useless unless you're doing small baits.
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I'm looking at this gun on Ebay at the moment, might finally pull my finger out and get one.
Do you guys buy the witches hats separately?
EDIT, the clear hats that come with it don't look like they have that great a size range but as with all pics this could be misleading. Do they go up to say 20mm size?
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In reply to Post #71
I’m not going to say I told you so in that other thread Dave 
People really should not use any plastic attachments from a hand gun on these powered guns. They come with metal collars & witches hats are 3 for a fiver. When they blow up, they go with a nasty bang. A weighty lump of solid plastic comes off the end at the speed of a bullet from a gun. I’ve blown up two, I’m in no doubts that either time it would have killed someone had it hit them in the head. I put a big deep dent in a solid wall in my old kitchen with one of those Gardner plastic attachments.
You simply can’t use plastic collars or attachment nozzles on these guns. Or exactly as per Baitmans photos you will do the same. We are running five of these guns daily. Witches hats and the metal collars that come with the gun are all you should use.
I purchased two more from the eBay seller two weeks ago. He has loads in stock.
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In reply to Post #78
I wasn't suggesting that a wet mix without hardeners would produce a hard boilie. What I meant was, that you can have an extrudable mix with hardeners and not run the risk of shooting your missus in the kitchen with a Gardner nozzle 😂
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In reply to Post #76
You are correct that if you do specially prepared hard hookers they will resist small fish whittling down.
It's not enough just to say they need to be air dried as a soft pasty mix without the added hardeners, even if its been air dried, will soon revert to a paste like boilie once in the water.
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In reply to Post #76
They will hammer anything. Shop bought, my own baits, anything at all. When there are that many ,they find a way
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In reply to Post #75
What are the hook baits that you get whittled down ? I've made my own for about 35 years and always included egg albumen / whey protein to avoid nuisance species. My most recent ones contain 25 % WPC and 10 % egg albumen. Honestly, it would have to be a roach / piranha hybrid to have any impact on those 😁. For me, it's 3 AM bream that are the problem !
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In reply to Post #74
You've obviously never fished anywhere with a serious head of silvers then. They will absolutely hammer baits. The lake I fish for catfish at the moment has a huge roach population and they whittle boilies down easily
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In reply to Post #73
Why would any mix with alb, whey gel or wpc have to be proper stiff ? It's all down to the moisture content. I've used all three ingredients for years in perfectly extrudable mixes. If the OP 's mix mix is lacking any of these ingredients, then yeah the baits will be softer. But over decades of using homemade baits, even " soft ones ", I've never actually had silvers whittle down baits. In fact, many bait companies now extol the virtues of softer baits with the premise that its more digestible. My opinion is that it just saves them money on ingredients 😂
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In reply to Post #72
Air drying a wet mix will harden it, but once in the water it will soon soften.
A proper stiff mix (with alb, whey gel, wpc) will retain its integrity longer and be more resistant to small silver attack.
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In reply to Post #70
No need to make things more difficult for yourself by trying to extrude an unnecessarily stiff mix. Just get more liquid in there, whether that be liquid egg, food or even just water. Any of this extra moisture can then be removed via air drying should you wish.
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In reply to Post #70
The gardner insert blew, bought another and that also went. Nothing to do with how old it is or how much its been used. The plastic just isn't up to the pressure from the gun.
I have bought another and will just use on my hand gun with pop up and wafter mixes.
The gun pressure will easily push a stiff mix, but then it will also pop the top off the gardner insert.
Just use the witches hats...
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In reply to Post #69
How long did the Gardner attachments last before they blew up? I only probably roll about 30kg a year so I'm thinking they might last??? Although my mix is pretty stiff with lots of seed and egg shell in it 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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In reply to Post #68
Cut them down to size. Always cut less than you think, as so easy to screw it up.
Get the nozzle right for barrels, then you can SLOWLY trim back or use sand paper to get them right for round boilies.
If you get nozzles that are pre-marked then just ignore the marks, once cut you can't undo it.
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In reply to Post #67
Cheers baitman
Are the witches hat nozzles available in the correct sizes or do you need to cut them down yourself?
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In reply to Post #66
You really need to use the witches hat nozzles.
If you use the gardner insert part so you can use the gardner nozzles then you will blow them apart.
Also, see post 63.
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In reply to Post #63
Apologies for bringing up an old thread.....
Is it the gardner deluxe gun collar and nozzle holder that you need to be able to use the correct size nozzles for rolling bait?
I've just been using a cut down witches hat as I've been using sausage / barrells. Now I want to roll round baits and I know I can't get my witches nozzle cut at exactly the correct diameter to roll round baits....
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In reply to Post #2
When my dewalt packs up il look at these cheers👍👍
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In reply to Post #63
Oh no 
I should've bought 1 of the guns M linked when he did, regretting that now. I spent some time looking for a alternative last night, couldn't find any cheaper ones.I did find some smaller air/compressor powered ones (sub 500ml) by accident then remembered I have a small compressor from my brewing days but I'm not sure the pressures add up.
Some of the extrusion rates I was reading on the cordless ones were very low too, unless mistake, 53cm/min/max..that can't be right.
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I finally managed to blow the plastic gardner cap up...
I've been managing just fine with it doing full mixes but I did a 2 egger for hard hookers and turned the power up to push the plunger up to the paste sausage quicker, and mustn't have turned it back down far enough 
I have ordered a new one as I like the option of using the small gardner nozzles when doing small mixes.
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In reply to Post #61
Ah right I see what you mean now
So realistically speaking to make them work you would need to source at 280ml aluminium caulk tube.
For comparison how big are the tubes on yours and how much base mix do they hold?
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In reply to Post #60
Those little guns are for 280ml caulk tubes. This photo should help for size comparisons.
Because of the higher torque, plastic tubes and collars really are not the one either.
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In reply to Post #58
Surely you can get a plastic cartridge and cut it down to size so it fits?
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In reply to Post #58
Bugger!
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In reply to Post #56
No mate, they are different lengths and shorter.
I have numerous orange chinese guns with the barrels, all look the same, but even they have a barrel an inch or two different.
Here's where I got my last two from Amazon when they all sold out. Just spares. More expensive at £165 and you have to wait a month from China. But you get two batteries and a snazzy case it comes in. And it's Amazon so you are well covered.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0C53GLJNG/
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In reply to Post #56
I'm interested to know too, good spot if the tray can be unscrewed and a Gardner metal tube screwed on
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Hi
The current range of battery powered caulk guns on eBay are selling without the tube where the basement would be added.
Is it safe to assume these are standard sizes and the ones available in B&Q or even the ones Gardner sell will fit?
The guns previously recommended on here are now unavailable
Here is an example
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186578052429?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ly1h0auntym&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=XgUdig_6TgO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=EMAIL
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In reply to Post #54
Thanks Mark👍
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In reply to Post #53
Depends how stiff the mix and how small the nozzle. All makes a difference. Gunning 16mm with a normal basemix you should be getting 80-90 tube fulls from the battery. That’s a lot of bait. It only takes 15-20 mins to charge from near empty to full.
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Can someone that has used one of these please give me an idea of how much base mix this gun will do on one full charge.
Thanks in advance.
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I saw recently someone on a different thread say they managed to destroy theirs. Some simple do's and don'ts to make your gun last forever.
The mixes we put through this gun, are far far stiffer than any base mix you are ever going to put through it. Our mixes are extremely high fat, with added cork which is far more solid/stiff than any freezer bait base mix. It will handle any mix you want to throw at it all day everyday. It is far more robust than the very most expensive £360 Cox lithium bait guns on the market. They are so robust, if you put your old Gardner/Cox plastic collars on, they will literally blow them to bits. The plastic collars are not meant for the pressure this gun will exert. They are miles better than the Cox. Substantially better than my old Makita. But they cost buttons.
BUT, the motor ain't geared for running stiff base mixes. They are made for running caulk. If you want to roll anything stiff under 14mm, you need to use a multi nozzle to relieve pressure. If you try to run anything stiff through a single nozzle under 14mm, you will actually hear the motor struggling a little bit. 14mm & above a single nozzle is fine. 12mm & below use a multi nozzle to relieve some pressure.
Don't let your lithium battery run completely out. As soon as the 2nd of 3 lights goes out on the meter, recharge it. It's not a cell battery. Think of it more like the battery on your smartphone.
Do those two simple things and these guns will literally last forever. They are nothing short of incredible for the task in hand.
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In reply to Post #49
Good find. With one battery that's still at least a good score cheaper. (Your link does not work I copy & pasted item number). I should have looked on eBay again first. As I said it was an impulse thing when I saw them cheaper on Prime day. They are all exactly the same colour. It's just dodgy lighting on the different photos. All that has changed is the cosmetics on the battery and the name stamped on it.
Never oiled our units mate. The one in the first post is three years old and has been used so much it's unreal. It's still working like new. Unit and battery. Zero added oil.
I probably have more stored units than that eBay seller now though to be fair. Only two units have been taken out of the box. The extra tubes are very handy for us running different mixes and different colours. We have a tube for each now.
It was 18:30 on a Saturday and I'd been working since before 5am. I could not be arsed being more honest, I just added it onto that post. It's Sunday and I've been working again since 5am. At the end of today I will likely feel exactly the same way again
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In reply to Post #48
I saw your new post about your new batch of bait and the little extra you wrote about the bait gun, so easy enough to find the thread. Google search lithium bait gun carp forum and boom 
Was it you that mentioned oiling one of the internal parts on the orange gun?
Just found one on ebay for £79...
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In reply to Post #47
I could not find this thread yesterday Baitman (lazy). The lithium battery on our original unit has not deteriorated at all. It's been used seven days a week pretty much, often for very long hours every single day for three years now. It's been charged many hundreds of times over and over again. It's still spot on with no noticeable deterioration. I posted this on the bait thread yesterday below. I keep stocking up, they are that good. You lot could never mess that battery up in your lifetime if you look after it.
I picked up yet another one on Prime day. It was a spur of the moment thing late at night. Cheapest on Amazon now is £160. On Prime day I got another one for £133 I think it was with a voucher. With two batteries I thought that was more than reasonable. It's black Friday soon, they will be cheaper again.
Coming all way from China now too. All of them on Amazon are.
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In reply to Post #35
I have used my gun several times now and the battery is still fully charged. Best things ever.
Did someone mention about oiling an internal part to help it live longer???
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In reply to Post #44
I messaged an eBay seller and he replied saying spare batteries can be had for £30 each.
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In reply to Post #44
If anyone finds the price and availability of a spare battery the please post up.
I did wonder if it might be possible to get an adaptor so I could use a makita battery off my drill 
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In reply to Post #42
But this is also great news for all of us that already have them Smurf. We will def be able to get spare batteries now.
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In reply to Post #42
That is the exact one I was speaking about in the previous post Smurf. A member of this forum contacted me yesterday, to say they had tried to buy that exact one, and got this message.
I just got that message trying to make an offer. Try it. That is the only listing for it left on eBay, and the listing is no longer actually for sale.
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In reply to Post #41
What about ebay 402514201765
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In reply to Post #40
Nothing great lasts forever. I hope you all got one at £90 with free delivery. They have all now disappeared off eBay I was told yesterday. There is one seller left on eBay advertising them, but you can't actually buy it.
Now they are only available on Amazon. They are rebadged, with a slight cosmetically different battery (exactly same thing). They also now come with an extra spare battery.
But they now range in price from £187 - £245, for what we all essentially paid £90 for.
We all had a right touch. Keep your eyes peeled on Amazon feedback and comments. Spare batteries will clearly be available for us I'd imagine now they are on Amazon.
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In reply to Post #38
Yeah considered that but as I have a Gardner plunger kicking about I though I’d make use of it
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In reply to Post #37
A bit of araldite pushed into the little slots would sort it.
Obvs let it dry outside the gun 
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In reply to Post #34
I’ve bought one of the cordless guns, and yes the bait goes behind the plunger, going to adapt it to accept the Gardner / 5mix plunger, that should sort it
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In reply to Post #34
Quote... Hi tcarper. Did you get round to solving the problem of paste getting behind the plunger? I'm having 5he same problem.
Hi mate, sorry I only just saw this. Yes I did get around that problem. I delegated someone else to clean the back of the gun out every other day. Now I do not even think about it anymore
In all seriousness... It takes them a couple of minutes, if that. And that small bit of pressure release at the back of gun, stops us from blowing nozzles out too I have found! Not done one nozzle with these guns. Used to do loads with other brands.
We have now been using these guns for a long, long time. All day, every day... Seven days a week. They are absolutely mustard, bomb proof. Well they have been for us. Battery lasts for AGES. The battery on our first unit has not deteriorated at all. We are gunning out an incredible amount of mixes with them too, it's been charged soooo many times. Still as good as new. Lithium is so good.
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I have just got one of these. I haven't made bait with it yet but pressing the plunger into the floor and really putting my weight on it and pressing the trigger I can feel it pushing me up 
When charging the light on the charger is red but goes green when fully charged which is handy.
I'm looking forward to making bait without the fat forearm.
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In reply to Post #8
Hi tcarper
Did you get round to solving the problem of paste getting behind the plunger? I'm having 5he same problem.
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In reply to Post #32
So with that battery capacity there isn't really a need for a spare battery.
Thats great, thanks.
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In reply to Post #31
I haven't timed the charge just left it over night. You have to remove the battery from the gun to charge it. I've done over 15kg so far without needing to re-charge it yet but I have just charged it anyway as the worst thing you can do with a battery is store it with less than 60%(ish) charge so didn't want to leave it part discharged
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How long does the battery on the Anesty bait gun take to charge.
If the battery is low can you still use the gun with the charger plugged in.
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In reply to Post #29
Read this and bought one from the bay, happy daze
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In reply to Post #28
I’ve just ordered one. Before they go up another twenty quid.
My mix is quite stiff and the last batch I did killed my arms. If it saves that then it’s an extra £20 well spent for me. I will just use my manual gun for pop ups now I think.
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Noticed the price on these have gone up £20 in the last few months. No doubt due to the covid/brexit situation. Still good value for the job they do but a bit of a bummer if you looking at them now.
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In reply to Post #26
Cheers woody. That’s the kiddy. No idea why it never came up when I was searching for it. Think I might buy one before they realise what’s going on and whack on a load of carp tax.
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In reply to Post #25
Try this ebay number 324075888412
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I can’t seem to find this exact model on eBay anymore.
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In reply to Post #15
I bought a deep fat fryer on your recommendation, absolutely fantastic boils so quickly certainly speeds up the process
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In reply to Post #22
Yes and yes 👍 knocked out loads with mine in the couple of months I've had it and still only charged it twice! Hope i don't ever have to go back to a manual gun and am tempted to buy a spare incase it breaks.
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In reply to Post #21
Everyone still happy with theirs? Also, has anyone used one with the 5mix triple nozzle cap?
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In reply to Post #19
They have put them up a tenner now.
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In reply to Post #17
Search for ebay number 352816257904 this is the sort I have got an it is working well
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In reply to Post #15
My only concern is how long will the battery last and will it be possible to get new batteries in X years time when its dead.
My electric hand drill modded bait gun runs perfectly, provided the electric bill has been paid Works a treat for small batches
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In reply to Post #16
Does anyone have any links for buying this sort of gun all included?
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In reply to Post #15
Type in '20v Li-ion lithium battery' on Fleabay mate... Quite a few come up that are identical fittings wise to the battery that comes with the gun. The only difference seems to be the slots on top of the battery, where it attaches to the gun. Some batteries on Fleabay have 4 slots, some have 5 even though they all look 'identical' at first glance.. It's 5 slots on this gun.
But there are loads of after market batteries that will fit. It would seem to be a very standard battery  .
The guns have been faultless for us.
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Used mine last night for the first time with a dry/stiff mix and both small (12mm) and big (18mm) nozzle sizes. Worked perfectly and it could have gone faster than I could keep up with.
My only concern is how long will the battery last and will it be possible to get new batteries in X years time when its dead. To be honest if that becomes a problem I will just add a power cord and plug top PSU as I don't really need cordless for bait making
For the money this is a great buy IMHO
I also got a £40 'commercial' fryer off ebay (item 174392865303)...why did I not get that before. Quick to boil and gets straight back to the boil with 1/2kg of bait dropped in it. It is made with paper thin stainless steel but it does a great job for £40
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In reply to Post #13
Cheers, only asking as I usually make bait on a night when the kids are asleep so don’t want anything too loud.
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In reply to Post #12
It’s makes a bit of noise but it’s certainly not too loud, no different from any electric tool type thing.
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How loud are these, sounds pretty loud on the video?
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Mine arrived Friday and I used it for the first time that evening, fantastic! I enjoyed using it so much I got up early Saturday and did another batch!
As TCarper said, it charged quickly and after 2 x mixes it still was fully charged. The nozzle end of my Gardner gun unscrewed and fitted straight on.
Obviously can’t give long term reviews but initially very impressed, I hope it lasts
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In reply to Post #1
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In reply to Post #7
I just had a little search... Watching it now... MADE IN LEICESTER
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In reply to Post #3
I have ordered two more for work. (One to keep as a spare). They are absolutely incredible for the money, you will not be disappointed. I'd say that the gun is much better than the £270 Cox version. Pushes through very stiff mixes with ease. All external attachments fit from the Gardner/Cox manual guns. The only difference, is a small difference in length of main barrel and the plungers are not interchangeable either (diff thread)... So the barrels are not interchangeable.... Everything else is.
My only very small gripe, is a small touch of paste gets behind the plunger when using very wet mixes, this is only due to the plungers supplied having small expansion gaps... Super easy to clean at the end of the day by screwing off the barrel. When I get a chance I will MOD this to stop this happening. It has a battery meter on it, so far I've not managed to run it down at all... And that's using it morning till night. The battery seems superb and charges very quickly.
The trigger control is also fantastic, far better than the Cox version.
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In reply to Post #6
Bless him, 'made in leicester, none of that Chinese crap' 
Does he honestly believe that
I've still got one on order to try out, running the compressor is very anti-social
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There is a YouTube video of someone doing a review on it, looks quite good
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In reply to Post #4
I’m sure it will perform better than my skinny arms after gunning a 12 egg mix 
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In reply to Post #3
i'd be interested how they perform 
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I ordered one last week after reading this thread, looking forward to it arriving
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In reply to Post #1
God I wish these were available 20 odd years ago when I used to roll my own lol
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View post on imgur.com
I had a very trusty old Makita caulking gun that I adapted into a bait gun. It lasted for years, then The Tackle Box gave me a prototype Cox lithium bait gun to test out, with a view to selling them in the shop (which never ended up happening). It was much lighter than the old trusty Makita... But last week it gave up the ghost for no reason whatsoever. The Makita was dug out, but a couple of years of no use and this had seized up and was no longer working either!
We needed a gun for work quickly, a Makita or a Cox lithium powered caulking gun is upwards of £250... So I took a chance on one off of Fleabay for £89.99 delivered. 20v lithium battery, and UK stock (Delivered in two days). I sort of figured for £90 it was worth a punt.
It's been in use now for the past few days at work... And it's pukka. Although obviously Chinese (sore subject at the mo)... It's VERY good for the money (comparable with the £269.99 Cox) All of the attachments are the same size threads as Gardner/Cox so are interchangeable. I can't put a link up, as this one was the last available from the seller who is now out of stock. I'm sure there will be more up soon, I'll be getting another when there is.
An absolute godsend at that price for you home bait makers. A manual Gardner deluxe gun is £50.
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