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Size 4 Muggas, Gemini tidy boom low level Ronnie, Mainlline or Sticky pop-ups.
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In reply to Post #63
"Yeah think the way people use them are the issue. Another note is a decent pop up. I like a corkball but also a 12mm airball type in the spring. Finding a 12 mill that will hold up all that metal for any length of time is trial and error."
Proper Job Popups.
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In reply to Post #63
I meant to add this as well, a drooping pop up is also a big reason for poor hook holds and losses, I was concerned about this until I found proper job popups, even their 13mms will stay bolt upright for days on end and have full confidence in them. For short day sessions I’m also confident in ns1+ for buoyancy. Or yes corkballs.
I recently watched frank warricks video on chods, and although i respect the man greatly. Some of his advice on that was something I’d steer well clear of. Using wafter on chods etc
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In reply to Post #62
Yeah think the way people use them are the issue. Another note is a decent pop up. I like a corkball but also a 12mm airball type in the spring. Finding a 12 mill that will hold up all that metal for any length of time is trial and error.
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In reply to Post #61
I’m always baffled by people often saying they lose fish on chod rigs. To this day I’ve never lost one and always had excellent hook holds. Perhaps I’m wrong but I think people must be setting them up wrong.
I always fish 1oz leads (swivel cut off and hoop covered by sleeve) less lead jangling during fight. If I need the extra distance instead of using a bigger lead I’ll just wrap some paste around the 1oz and shape into a bomb
Also hook sharpness is more paramount with chod rigs than all others, as there’s no real lead weight to set the hook and also free movement between beads. I also fish beaked and barbed hooks, so possibly that stops some losses. Not overly sure what sets the hook because although people claim the leadcore is what does it, I’m really not convinced. It doesn’t weigh much under water. I personally think with a razor hook, the moment they close their mouth around the bristle they are at least *****ed.
I’m so confident in chods that I actually prefer them to hinges now. Maybe that will change in time. I’ve also fished chods on clear spots and it seems to work for me pretty much anywhere. Also my chod fishing came about as the venue I fish has very smart spooky fish that you often have to locate and cast near. For this a chod is also the best rig in my biased opinion. Small lead so minimal spook and also fishes over pretty much any ground.
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In reply to Post #60
First time I came across the chod I though it was genius - in the right situations. I don't get that at all with the roddie having used the chod and being familiar with its weaknesses. The only potential positive I can see is that it's different - and different is normally a good thing.
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In reply to Post #55
Maybe, but when i first saw the chod i thought wtf is that .... It will never catch 
I would be interested to know if anyone has used the "Roddie" though .... ive heard rumours it is very effective ... unfortunately for me I will now have to wait until June 16th to even attempt it 
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In reply to Post #58
Also both very, very effective rigs mate, as you know 
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In reply to Post #57
Yes i probably should do really. I just find it looks cluttered and have always been happy with the hinge (at a variety of heights) or the multi for pop up rigs.
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In reply to Post #56
You should tie one up mate. Folks say it's just the latest fashion and that it has too many bells and whistles etc, but I have now all but ditched the hinge, which I used almost exclusively for more than 20 years, for the ronnie/spinner. It is that good imo.
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In reply to Post #55
Agreed - cannot seen any benefit at all.
Though i haven't even tied up a Ronnie rig, let alone used one (nor do i feel any inclination to) so i am clearly behind the times!
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In reply to Post #53
Imo a 'roddie' takes all the worst bits of the chod and exaggerates them. I can think of no reason anyone would try that.
The chod has some serious flaws but adds value in that it can get a bite from areas otherwise unfishable. A roddie takes the inherent flaws of the chod and makes them much worse imo.
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In reply to Post #49
Thanks all - i have recently been putting it the lead side of the break. i used to always put it on the tag of the loop. i think partly due to worrying about squeezing the shot too hard onto the hooklink.
will have a play and see how they sit in a tank test.
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In reply to Post #51
a friend has used this - calls it (or was told it was called) the Roddie. 
Not sure there is much benefit to be gained over a chod though. i know he had a few on it but cant remember if he had any issues with hook pulls etc.
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In reply to Post #51
the fish has to literally kiss your leader to get the Ronnie section in its mouth. the chod rig was terrible for hook pulls until we started separating the lead on a different section of leadcore or using a shockleader sleeve to cushion the chod against the lead. in my opinion the Ronnie fished as a chod would be hookpull central and doesn't really offer anything a chod don't. i always use a short 2 inch boom on my chods now and i aint had a problem with hookpulls since.
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I quite like the idea of a Ronnie rig running on the leader (same as chod) .... very low and no knots .... Anyone tried that?
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In reply to Post #48
i use either split shot or the fox pop up weights as they never fall off
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In reply to Post #46
I always place split shot on the lead side of the break, only ever fished it as a pop up rig so never had to tinker about much, stiff rigger hook with silicon over the eye to hold it all straight and in place. I do make a point of getting high quality lead split shot from Europe mind, half the size of the regular equivalents bought from shops over here..
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In reply to Post #47
What counterweight do you tend to use ? Putty or split shot ?
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In reply to Post #46
I always put the counter weight the lead side of the break, its been a very reliable rig for me with generally with curve shank hooks the only chod style out turned eye hook i have used is the crank chod in 4's and 6 which have also been good for me.
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In reply to Post #44
On the multi rig - one thing i have discussed with mates is the preferred location of the counter weight.
Any thoughts on this?
If critically balanced then i have put it on the tag end of the loop, if over weighted then on the hooklink, the lead side of the break in the coating.
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In reply to Post #44
Low riding pop up rig .. cant beat the old 'shot on the hook rig' 
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In reply to Post #41
Thanks for those pieces, Cam. Mike was the sole originator of the MR, despite what others may claim, and he has explained it perfectly in these three pieces.
I have got a huge photo archive of the MR and have posted many of the pix on here, they just need a bit of finding, that's all. 
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In reply to Post #40
Imo PVA and the multi do not mix. You're better off with a spinner/ronnie jobby.
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In reply to Post #40
No idea mate, I don't use any sort of bag or stick when using popups. Using bags I want my bait in amongst it, not waving about an inch or 2 above the feed
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In reply to Post #40
First Pic
Basically, tie it to the loop
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In reply to Post #39
So assuming the loop wont move what's the best way to attach a pva bag ,I've read attaching it to the hook will definitely move the loop,would a pva stick slid down the hook link have any negatives affects on the multi
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In reply to Post #36
Have been using mostly fang twisters mate, but as they've changed their range I'm not keen on the new ones so I'm still playing about a bit when I actually get chance to get out. The thinking anglers cuve point and a similar one from bank tackle have been decent replacements
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In reply to Post #37
Definitely give them a go with Inturned eye hooks mate. I've had a great run with multis with Inturned eyes, think it's something like about 7 years since I last dropped a fish on them, they've been that good.
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In reply to Post #35
Fair play mate. I’ve used them on and off over the years but never had consistent hookholds and had too many instances where I know I should have caught and didn’t. A couple of times a change of rig produced quick results on the exact same spots which just put me off to be honest.
Of the last 3 bites I had on the multi’s, 2 were hooked in the top lip!
Perhaps i should have tried them with in-turned eyes...
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In reply to Post #35
What hooks do you tend to use with a multi mate ?
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In reply to Post #34
It proves it doesn't slip mate, I've been using the multi for many years now and never had one slip. It doesn't simulate anything like it would under water I agree, but it's the easiest way to put someone's mind at rest, and imo the loop is under more strain doing that than it ever will be under water. It's kind of another palm test, has no bearing on what the rig actually does but can give confidence.
I did tie one a couple of years ago with a chod hook and bristle filament as an experiment and that did seem as though it might slip, I think it was due to the bristle being too stiff, so I've never actually tried one tied like that.
For me, a semi stiff coated braid together with a slightly Inturned eye is the best combination for a multi. I do use chod style hooks occasionally, but have found hook hoods to be not quite as good with them
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In reply to Post #30
With respect Ian, what does spinning a rig around in the air prove?! It’s water resistance and impact that would concern me...
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In reply to Post #32
Can i ask what difference it makes? A low pop up is a low pop up, surely the spread baiting is the way with both?
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In reply to Post #31
I would go for a low fished chod...but the style of baiting up has to be adjusted to the rig. With a chod I spread my freebies over a larger area to get them moving and picking up the single offers.
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Thanks for the replies.
I’m not too keen on putting some extra tubing on, would rather keep it as simple as possible (but working correctly)
I’ll put a bait on and swing it round a bit 👍🏼 See what happens
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In reply to Post #28
Should be fine with what you have. They may seem loose but won't slip. Stick a bait on one, hold the rig at the swivel end and swing it round a few times and you will see that even with that the loop stays put
You don't need to use chod style hooks either, straight eye or Inturned are fine too
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In reply to Post #28
You could put a small section of silicon tube over the hook eye area.
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I've just been having a play about tying up some multi rigs.
I'm not sure I've got the correct combination of hook and hooklings.
Hook length materials I've tried are:
Korda N-Trap semi-stiff - 15lb
ESP Tungsten Loaded 20lb
Fox Coretex Tungsten 20lb
The only out turned eyed hooks I have are Fox stiff rig beaked in size 4.
Each different hooklink is really loose in the hook eye even when doubled over.
Should I be using a thicker/heavier hooklink or a smaller/different type of hook with a smaller eye?
Cheers
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In reply to Post #22
Yes!
I tend to tie multis with hydrolink, leaving the flouro in, just removing about 15mm at the hinge, but I wanted a stiffer boom section on one water so tried it with the Hydrolink extreme, but the loop won't go through the eye like that.
Having removed the flouro through the loop I used one of these rigs to test some new pop ups and after two hours the hook was at the bottom of the tub and the d was the whole loop!
Luckily I found out before it could cause a problem.
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In reply to Post #19
Thanks for the link, interesting read
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I was worried for a while with the D slipping, so paid more attention to matching the hook-length to the hook or vice versa. Some chod hooks have larger eyes than others. This helped with the confidence if nothing else.
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In reply to Post #22
With a chod type hook by any chance?
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In reply to Post #22
News to me mate but makes sense. I bet you were well p*ssed off when you noticed it after losing kippers 
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In reply to Post #21
Has anyone experienced the opposite?! I had a few trips years back using a “multi hinge” type arrangement, doubled over bristle hook sections albrighted to a coated boom... purely for ease of swapping the hooks.
Contrary to the D closing I found it to open up which makes sense given how it would react on impact with the lake.
A disastrous run of hookpulls later I sorted my **** out and stopped messing around!
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In reply to Post #18
It's pretty much impossible for the hook to move/D to close buddy. The force is applied to the pop up, not the hook. If you're struggling to get your head round it you can always use a second hook bead to hold the D in place, or just add rig foam on the cast.
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In reply to Post #18
It doesn't happen, you don't need to do anything
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In reply to Post #18
When you get the chance, read this.
Mike Kavanagh seems to think that it doesn't happen and who's to argue with him when it comes to this rig.
The Rig Factor
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In reply to Post #17
The multi rig is very simple to tie,what concerns me is the loop that goes over the hook to form the D ,closing on the cast ,how do people make sure this does not happen ,any advice would be greatly appreciated
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In reply to Post #16
Hinge stiff rig on a helicopter set up....like it has been mentioned, you can adjust the top bead to suit. The rig is very adaptable, you can fish it low down like a ronnie or 3" off the deck, soft boom, stiff boom...worlds your oyster
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In reply to Post #14
Good advice, just check out the catch results thread to see how this man gets on throughout the year
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In reply to Post #14
You're spot on Tom.
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In reply to Post #1
Regardless of how many recommendations you get here I’d suggest not deciding what rig you’re going to use months in advance of fishing. Especially at a new lake you are not familiar with. Tailor your rig to the situation you are faced with. As Yonny said, the weed is unlikely to be up until mid May, weather dependant.
A rotary rig and most pop up rigs will present fairly well on the majority of substrates. Simply push the top bead up to suit.
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In reply to Post #1
I'd try a multi rig with braid and a big (#4) hook and leadcore if allowed.
As lonv as you always test your figs first if doesn't matter who made them, the main players have reputations to uphold.
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Definitely the Ronny for me. I did have the hook pull problem but went from 6s to 4s and it completely cured it. Went from loosing 3 outa 5 to loosing 1 in 15 takes
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In reply to Post #10
Multi rig is a firm favourite for me. Highly underrated, highly versatile, have used it as long as 2 foot long fishing in weed with the bead to my rotary rig a foot up the leader. Worth having a go, has tricked me some very old big rare carp over the years.
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In reply to Post #9
Would a chod be my best bet
Only if you cannot find spots to present properly on mate.
what material for the leader, fluorocarbon or a lead free option
Up to you, I would prefer leadcore or leadless if rules allowed. I even go for a nice beefy mono leader over fluoro but that's just me, not a massive fluoro fan.
As a lead free option is soft, is that an advantage or not in low weed?
Imo it's an advantage over any substrate, but loads of people use fluoro so it can't be all bad.
as I will not need many I might buy some ready made. Thoughts please guys.
Again, your call. I'd not use a ready made rig if you paid me. Imagine losing the biggun on one, you'd shoot yourself lol.
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In reply to Post #8
Grateful guys, but can you answer any of the other questions in the post please?
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In reply to Post #7
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In reply to Post #6
Yeah I know lots do, but like I said I'm a huge fan of the multi, it's been brilliant for me so I've not found the need to change. I might have a play about with the ronnie on a runs water one day, but not at the minute. Not playing about with my rigs when I'm hopefully back after a rather nice lin you know all about.. That's no place for experimenting
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In reply to Post #5
I struggled with dodgy hook holds when I first used it but had another go a couple of years later with bigger hooks (2s and 4s) and it seemed to fix the problem. I struggle to explain why that was tbh. I've been using it ever since after using the hinge almost exclusively for 20 odd years. I rate it mate.
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In reply to Post #4
Poor hook holds mainly mate, must admit I've only had a little dabble with it myself though. Never really found the need to get away from the multi tbh
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In reply to Post #3
What do you see as the flaws to the ronnie/spinner jobby Ian?
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In reply to Post #1
There is no such thing as a faultless rig imo, and of the pop up rigs about I'd say the chod or ronnie are the 2 more flawed ones. If it's early season then the weed most likely won't be too bad, so a simple multi will be perfect
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In reply to Post #1
The chod is not faultless or low riding (low sitting?) imo buddy.
If you can find clear(er) spots then you're better of with a hinge, multi or ronnie imo. Chods are good for when you have no choice but to fish right into the weed.
Bear in mind "early season" (I assume you mean spring?) will see less weed.
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Guys.
Have always been a bit of an in and out carp fisherman. But this season I'm going to try some single pop-ups on a tricky weedy lake early season. Would a chod be my best bet, and if this is so what material for the leader, fluorocarbon or a lead free option. As a lead free option is soft, is that an advantage or not in low weed? I've some 20lb fluro already.
As most of you can tie the hook part but as I will not need many I might buy some ready made. Thoughts please guys.
Thanks all. Rich.
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