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In reply to Post #225
I have 2 Harrison torrix custom 10’ soon as I used them the tip snapped on one sent it back to tackle box via a currier and they replaced it within days,also have 2 dwarf scopes to go light if I’m after some carp in the morning or late evening’s as I travel light,both great rods now looking for some 12’ to target a spot in winter when I switch back to lakes where I can’t reach with my 10’ rods.
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In reply to Post #222
>>>>>Grabbed the blank half way with a fish at the net for the final lunges and felt more in control? Because you’re applying force with a 5-6’ rod essentially<<<<<
Its a well known method for playing a fish that goes back donkey years. To apply more pressure on a fish, just let go of the reel handle (ensure anti reverse is on though) and hold the rod further up from the rod handle with that hand but also keep your other hand on the rod handle in its usual place.
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In reply to Post #220
Horses 4 courses, use whats best 4 u , done some canal work I just cant get on with short ones, its me, I find swinging out a bait with a 12 ft er so much more accurate and playing if I have room with a 12 ft is so much more in control, 
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In reply to Post #219
Boat comps.
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In reply to Post #219
Yes, longer rods excel at casting leads. Shorter rods generate more leverage in our favour..
As I’ve said before we are a stubborn nut/bolt offering the fish spanners of varying lengths to undo us. Any guesses which one physics determines works against us?
Bigger fish = shorter rods
Every inch of rod is detrimental to applying force. Try pulling for a break in a tree with the rod bent, you’ll soon point it directly at the snag and walk backwards.
Grabbed the blank half way with a fish at the net for the final lunges and felt more in control? Because you’re applying force with a 5-6’ rod essentially
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In reply to Post #219
You actually get more leveragepower with a sorter Rod.
There was an comparison in a swedish flymagazine a few years ago. A 15fot salmonrod hade less power than a ninefot Rod.
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In reply to Post #218
I have used 12' rods for sea fishing since the 60's. The trend is now the continental style with 14' to 15' rods.
But, are you talking boat or beach?
On a boat, it's easier to swing a fish in with a short rod unless you want to hold a long rod high up and then risk breaking the rod top, or try and swing it in sideways and probably smack someone in the face with a Cod further down the side of the boat. On the beach, the long rod will put out a lead a long way with less effort.
And I have never seen anyone with a 12' rod on a boat. Unless your float fishing for mullet with a match fishing Rod.
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In reply to Post #217
Sea fishing matches often see angler using 12ft rods now especially on some of the species hunt competitions with anglers scratching for as many species as possible.
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In reply to Post #216
That’s more to do with the action and power of the blank. Shorter rods are stronger and apply more force when comparing apples to apples
You could fly fish for tarpon with a 15’ salmon rod, what with sometimes being miles from any structure; but they use 9’ or less exclusively
No snags in the ocean either but I’ve never seen a charter boat with 12’ rods 
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In reply to Post #212
I think it's solely down to exposure on social media. I have used a lure rod for a few years now on small ponds for small carp and it serves a purpose. It's about getting the balance right between functionality and enjoyment. Sometimes the situation dictates hook and hold, and I don't think a lot of smaller rods are suitable as you can't get that leverage when fishing under tree canopies, like being able to stick the rod tip under the water to avoid tree branches. In the videos I've seen, it often looks like the angler is clinging on for dear life with the rod tip going absolutely bananas. Not really ideal for preventing a carp from tethering itself resulting in a nasty death.
Bit extreme example perhaps, but i'd rather use a broom handle knowing that I will 100% have the strength and control to prevent that fish from getting in the snags.
Even when catching good pike on the 8ft lure rod, I never feel totally in control of the situation with a rod that short. Vast difference in playing experience dead baiting with a 12ft rod.
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In reply to Post #214
At a guess 10 ft
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In reply to Post #213
Short rods aren’t a new thing - how long were the Richard walkers rods? 😉.
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In reply to Post #212
A whole new world
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In reply to Post #210
Think its this new fishing thingy me bobby ive seen called 'urban' it seems to have spawned a load of little 4ft tall diddy men with hoddies and short rods! Lol
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I used the original Scopes in 9ft but did not get on with them and went back to using Hi S in 12 foot. I got offered some mk2 10ft Scopes for cheap so bought them and never looked back. The Free Spirits got sold and I have religiously used the Scopes since. Must be 5 years and probably 200 nights fishing later! They look tired now and need to be either revarnished or replaced but I feel like I have had value for money from them!
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Why is it the "Latest craze with short Rods?", when I started in the 60's, it was all you fished with as a 10' rod was the standard size and. And until the mid 80's, I still fished with my "10 footers" and then took the plunge and made myself 3 "11 footers" and eventually moved onto 12'.
When you saw someone using a 12' rod in the late 60's and 70's you looked at them as if they was using something from another planet and it went against the ethics of true carp fishing.
Basically, there is nothing wrong whatever size rod you use and one good thing with a short rod, it can be a damm sight easier netting a fish with a 12 footer at times. It seems the standard landing net handle did not increase with the increase in rod lengths and stuck at 6' unless you buy one with an extension.
Lure fishing for pike was the same, all my lure rods in the 60's early 70's were 10', but they went the opposite way and now all I use are 5' to 6' rods for lure fishing.
I even still have my 10' rods and often think of bringing them back into "action".
And just now whilst looking for Vintage ABU rods on Ebay. It has brought back some menories, I must have been a "Trailblazer" and starting "Crazes" off in the 60's . I had 3 x Abu Atlantic 403's lure rods for carp and pike fishing, all 9' long and I have just been out into my shed to measure the butt eye off my sole remaining "403" and it has a 40mm butt eye!!!!! I can recall at the time, they looked so out of place being so short and with big butt eyes up against my North Western SS4's, 10's with 20mm butt eyes and my "Tag Barnes Super Carp" 10's. And what are on the shelves today, 9 Footers with 40 and 50mm Butt eyes.
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The wheel just goes "round and round".
And whatever you fish with......it does not matter. (Unless it is totally unsuitable for what you are doing etc)
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I actually talked myself into getting a set of 9ft rods last year only for one water I fish it’s a small intimate water no bigger than 50/60 yards casts because of the amount of islands and bays it has, the fish are really spooky so didn’t want the tips over the water and the swims are tiny so 12ft where a no go I actually really enjoy using them and playing fish on them.
Really takes me back to my child hood with a smaller rod I really like it, don’t get me wrong I only use them on that one lane the rest I use my 12fts but they do have there place
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I’ve got a set of 9fts, love them. Pack down to 44inches so I can always leave a scaled down setup in the car
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I've come close to getting a set of of 10fters.
But I gave myself a Q and A ,talking to ,did I really need them,would I enjoy my fishing more ,various questions I asked..
I decided to carry on using my CTX 2.5 tc 12ft rods as they have a lovely playing curve and that's what I like ..
I fish tiny farm ponds right up to big ressi, I've enjoyed those rods,I could have multiple set ups,no problem,but nope ,I like minimal,less gear frees me up mentally and sometimes physically ..I used light tc rods for the whole time I've carp fished..
I can see why people like the shorter rods, I'm not against them at all,but it's what I'm used to..
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In reply to Post #204
I guess it’s what you’re used to? They are / were the first short rods I’ve used for carp fishing purposes (or ever will now!) and as someone who has used Harrison blanks (mainly ballista or Chimeras) for over 30 years maybe I’ve become accustomed to them and just found it impossible to adjust. Either way, they are definitely not for me but recognise that I don’t have wider experience of fishing with such rods. Glad you got on with them. Maybe the 2.5 tc would have been more enjoyable for me to use?
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In reply to Post #189
Nick, I've also come to this thread very late but I find your comments interesting. I've got two pairs of these rods - 8' 2.5lb TCs and 10' 3.25lb TCs - and I've found them really good. They've coped very well with everything from canal margin traps to snag fishing to chucking solid bags at far bank treelines, and they've been great for playing and landing fish to 30+. My only tackle-tarty regret is that I didn't get the cork handled versions. I've found them to be excellent rods.
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In reply to Post #194
I hear you. There is alot of pressure nowadays to think you need multiple types of rods and of course, perfect state, these maybe useful. When I first started carp fishing in the late 80’s my first set of ‘matched rods’ that I still use to this day, were 12’ 2lb tc Armalites. I actually caught some fairly large fish (for the time!) from both UK and French waters on these and fished from under the rod top to 80/90yds. The rods people were using for bigger waters were 2.75-3lb t.c with occasional 3.25, whereas this seems to be the starting point today! Whilst undoubtedly carp are bigger now and longer range fishing seems to be a prequisite, you can probably do the majority of your fishing with a decent set of 3lb t.c rods. Yes on bigger waters or challenging winds you are sometimes going to get caught out but from in the margins to 100 yds plus these should be fine. Personally I now use Free Sprit Hi-S but they have plenty of cheaper models that would be suitable, if you found yourself in a position to upgrade. And obviously, if everyones fishing in the middle, chuck at least one in the edge!!
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In reply to Post #201
I prefer 3 with a snide
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In reply to Post #200
Man up and fish two rods😂
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In reply to Post #197
With identical line on the 3 reels and no spare spools, cause they've done all the money on the matching outfits. Rocky spot to the left, clear for 140 yards down the middle and a massive weed bed to the right 
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In reply to Post #197
Perfect scenario for the four rod option, use the lighter ones with a heavier one ready or on a spot further out just incase.
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In reply to Post #196
Yes. Diminishing returns. All my kit is long lasting well reviewed but definitely mid price. Over the years ive seen regular joes on here dropping silly money for rods and reels.
Even saw a youngster on here asking about a cheaper reel for spodding. He was looking at my reels lol.
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In reply to Post #196
The trouble is you can turn up to a 160 acre res with long range kit and find the fish in a bay where any cast is centrepin range.
I've got a choice of rods but I don't take them all with me 
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In reply to Post #194
Completely missed the point, that set of rods you use on a 160 acre reservoir and 2 acre pond? Most will have all matching high tc, maybe would be better with four rods, two for the big water and two lower tc, possibly the same model if they must match cosmetically and have the option to mix them up.
How many claim to only be able to afford one set of rods and when you look they have a high end set costing well over a grand when they could have bought two sets of mid priced rods and been better equipped for different venues. Must admit I've done it myself and owned too many high end and custom rods but fact is some of the mid priced stuff is 95% as good as the perceived best.
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In reply to Post #194
Save £1 a day for 2 years. You can then afford new rods
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In reply to Post #182
But can you afford to buy different sets of rods for different waters?
For years I have used the same rods on 2acre pond as on a 60acre lake, or 160acre reservoir. I simply can't afford to have more than one set of rods.
Same with my pike fishing, it is one set of rods for rivers or lakes.
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In reply to Post #188
Actually that sounds like a damn good idea , as I'm getting older setting up and packing away is getting more of a chore .
So sending a man servant ahead to sort the spots , set the bivvy up and pass me a beer when required wouldn't go amiss .
Damn you lack of winning the lottery
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In reply to Post #187
Now there's a thought🤔 
I remember using mismatched rods, it always seemed that the rod least suited for the cast to the showing fish was the one I was willing to move. I do often carry a lighter rod when I take my heavier set tho, even though my heavy rods are actually pretty decent in close.
There's an overlap between my short rods and my light rods in that they should both be suited to smaller waters, but the light 12s are so much nicer to use, more accurate with a broader range of leads, cast further and are better to play fish on.
it has to be said though, the 10ft avids were a fifth of the cost of my 12s
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In reply to Post #189
That sounds a lot like my experience with the avid exodus rods, dead feeling planks
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In reply to Post #187
I’ve had worse ideas
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In reply to Post #188
I’m coming to this thread a little late but... I bought 3 x Sonik xtractor 9’ 2 3/4 lb tc ‘retractable’ rods for a water I fished over the summer which demanded a mobile and ‘discreet’ approach. All I can say is that they really are awful in terms of fish playing & casting capability - no control, no sensitivity, poor recovery.... I do understand though that these are the very cheapest you could purchase so maybe that’s why they are so bloody awful! I felt I was using a boat rod and tbh I’ve used a few of those over the year’s which would have been more enjoyable to use. My advice would be to stay away from this particular brand!!
They were, however, very useful in that the pack size and discretion was maximised (or minimised) but in terms of enjoyment to use they scored a big fat zero. Shorter rods definitely have a place in the market for stalking in tight areas, travel purposes or maybe boat work but I really can’t see any other reason to use them. And if you do decide to purchase some maybe it’s worth investing in something a little more high end than the set of rods that are currently residing in my greenhouse...
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In reply to Post #187
How about a carp caddy that can read your swim and hand you the correct rod and place it in the rest after you have made your cast.
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In reply to Post #180
Would you suggest owning matching rods in every TC from 1.5 through to 5tc for every possible swim senario instead
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In reply to Post #183
Shame on you, an assortment of mugs is much cooler.
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In reply to Post #182
so true. I didn't have a matching set until the year 2000 ish. and that was only because some nutter sold 3 6 weeks old mint free spirit xs
for 250 quid at a social. ( real tart, bought them while his rods were being made. and then sold them immediately.)
and even now, I have a distance line on one.
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Im looking at getting some shorter rods. What are peoples preferences, 9 or 10 foot?
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In reply to Post #182
I also like matching tea cups
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In reply to Post #181
Carp anglers have been conditioned by the media and advertising to buy three or four matching rods all same length and tc when rarely do you need them all the same for the swim being fished but hey it looks cool.
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In reply to Post #179
Interesting, I will try this out to see if I find a difference, will report back
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In reply to Post #178
The casting comment was more of an aside, my lighter 12ft rods give more control (pressure) and are more versatile. I could buy lighter short rods that should give more control, but then I'm losing more range and versatility
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In reply to Post #177
I was using game fishing as an example, and with pressure comes control. Having fished the same lake for the same fish with 12ft and 10ft rods I've experienced them difference first hand and let me assure you it's quite a difference.
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In reply to Post #176
I wasn't talking about distance you could cast with them, only about controlling fish whilst playing them.
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In reply to Post #175
I don’t disagree with that statement, however pressure and control are different and big game fishing is not the same as carp fishing, where the goal isn’t necessarily to exert maximum pressure in all circumstances. Guess there’s a fair bit of personal preference here and I’m happy to be convinced otherwise, but I haven’t been yet
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In reply to Post #175
I don't think it's that simple. I have a couple of different 12ft rods in the 2 1/4 to 2 1/2tc range that are shorter than my admittedly poor 10ft 3lb rods at full curve. I can cast further with less effort with the 2 1/2 rods too
I can't get on with short carp rods tbh, I'd rather carry waders and take overhead branches out of the equation
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In reply to Post #174
At any range, due to being able to exert more pressure with a shorter rod. Hence things like big game fishing rods are shorter
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In reply to Post #173
Ok, thank you for clarifying. Do you think that applies at any range though, or just at shorter ranges? My control point was also driven by the fact that if I’m trying to steer a fish away from marginal snags on the bank from which i’m fishing, especially trees with branches deep underwater and extending out from the margins (in deep venues) the extra 2-3 feet gives me an advantage and less chance of the line getting caught, especially when putting the rod under water to play fish in such situations. Granted, the same may not apply in situations where this is not needed or you are applying pressure directly from above.
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In reply to Post #171
The main one would be your statement that you have better control whilst playing fish with longer rods. You dont. Shorter rods give better control, and that's a fsct
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View post on imgur.com
My ten foot CFX, set up on an island, out in the middle of a 400 acre Berks pit last week. Dirty great big Shimano long cast reels on too
Unless I need to cast 100 yards plus... I have no need whatsoever for 12 foot rods.
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In reply to Post #160
Which point in particular was drivel? Would be interested if you would care to clarify and explain why you think this? 😀
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In reply to Post #168
It maybe but helps if you quantify why you think that? Rod length is clearly a contentious subject so I’m glad it generated some interest and discussion 👍
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In reply to Post #1
I hate it when these trends pop along as it’s make me a long term 10 foot rod user seem like I am jumping on the trend and I am nothing but the opposite and hate being on trend. Although I do prefer the more traditional 2 piece 10 foot rod appose to these retractable ones.
For me the 10 foot suit my angling, small water angling, no long casts, I prefer tight swims that are away from it all often with overhang of trees and under branches. They are also nice in the hand and balance well with a smaller 8000 bait runner, fit in the car better, don’t overhang the barrow too far
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In reply to Post #160
Agree, complete and utter.
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In reply to Post #166
Agree with this, good point, well made 👍
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To completely shut it down as a gimmick, is just nonsense, they have their uses.
For me, I got the Fox Explorers as a grab and go for the canals initially but also, to have in the car if I go away with friends, family, or my girlfriend and should there be any body of water I like the look of, I can fish it quickly, as it’s there, not taking up the whole car with a huge rod bag and everything else that goes with it. So now, I have my overnight stuff that goes on the barrow into the van,and my grab and go which I can carry in one trip and fits in the boot of my Touareg with room for bags and suitcases too! Winner
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In reply to Post #164
And you spent the time responding to the 3yr old thread. Thanks for your contribution 👍
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In reply to Post #162
So you dredged up a year old thread to tell us that although you know that 9 foot rods are better at some things, your mate thinks that 13 foot rods are better at others?
Thanks.
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In reply to Post #158
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In reply to Post #159
You slightly misunderstood my point and no not narrow minded at all. Re-read my comment: my point was that 9/10 foot rods have their place but don’t expect to get the performance of a 12 (or 13 foot rod) and if you are buying a 9/10 foot rod understand why and it’s use case/limitations. You pays your money, you takes your choice 😀
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In reply to Post #1
Yes, you are missing something... I was using 10ft carp rods 25 years ago. Nothing new about it. I had them custom made by a certain Mr Ashby. I wanted to be able to fish in tight swims and to be able to cast with trees above my head. Also, for hit and hold situations, shorter rods exert more leverage - note catfish rods tend to be 10ft or less. Nothing has changed to this day, as I have a set of Hi S 10ft 2 3/4 for the same job. You don't need a 12ft or 13ft rod for a lot of situations and shorter rods are actually better when used in the right circumstances. Horses for courses.
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In reply to Post #145
What drivel
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In reply to Post #158
And I like a few on here have been at it for well over fourty years and your mate sounds like a narrow minded one dimensional type. After thirty years you must know the ability to adapt to the situation will help catch fish, if that means using a six foot rod to gain access or a thirteen foot cast tool to reach them.
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In reply to Post #156
Doesn’t matter really: the point is that it’s someone who has an awful lot of knowledge and who’s opinion I value and I’ve been carp fishing for 30+ yrs myself, so probably know a thing or 2?! 😄
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In reply to Post #153
You’ll make a mint 👍
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In reply to Post #155
Who is this top UK carp angler friend of yours?
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In reply to Post #148
Top UK Carp Angler not Top UK Angler 😏
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In reply to Post #151
I’ve got an idea, 13ft retractable rods........ 
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In reply to Post #151
Latest craze ! The post is three years old 🤣
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In reply to Post #150
Ask yourself why a lot of waggler and trotting rods are/were 14ft?
Has nothing to do with the journey from car to swim.
Rod lengths serve a purpose dependant on the job they are tasked for. Jerk bait rods, spinning rods, beach casters, trotting rods, stalking rods, floater rods and boat rods are certain lengths for a reason. Carp angling most of the time is about chucking a lead at set distances and then it sits there for hours on end motionless, with the rods sat on a rest or the floor, so for that style of fishing length is negligible.
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In reply to Post #149
Ask yourself why rods are twelve feet
I’d guess because when you half it it makes carrying the things easier
So there you have it lol
Rod choice is like sex , everyone thinks their good at it ,a bit like the more enjoyable past time fishing 👍🏻
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In reply to Post #147
Too many disadvantages to using a 9ft that would make me switch from a 12ft rod. They would be unusable on a couple of my waters.
I would agree though that they are far more accurate, however that extra *counts fingers* 3ft could mean the difference between lowering a rig on a spot and coaxing a fish around marginal pads/reeds/branches, or not.
You simply can't floater fish at distance with a short rod.
I guess if you are on commercials with zero bankside vegetation and marginal weed it would not make a difference.
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In reply to Post #146
Also if twelve ft rods are so good ,why isn’t everyone clambering for the 14ft hi-arris specials 😂
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In reply to Post #25
I use scopes in 10ft and wouldn’t go back to 12 ft rods
I’ve lost 2 wraps on my casting distance
It’s so much more fun
I’m a **** caster anyway so it dosnt matter
I had Chris brown make me a two piece handled net
While your all casting to the same spots from both sides of the
Lake I’m happy 😂
Ok there are lakes where you need to cast 150 yards but I cant see past
a 100 so won’t fish there 👍🏻
Buy and use what you want and enjoy it
And top carp Anglers always talk balls hit anyway😂
There only time bandits 😂
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In reply to Post #1
I asked a friend of mine this, who is one of the top UK Carp Anglers. He said don’t bother with them and said his biggest rod game changer was infact moving from 12 to 13 foot rods. Other than the anglers affiliated to Nash, there are very few well known anglers who use 9/10 foot rods, except perhaps for some foreign fishing, usually involving boat work. I remember when I first started fishing (mid 80’s) a friend lent me their 10’ carp rods when I was using 11’ rods at the time: straight away I felt less in control, both from a casting and fish playing perspective, even on a relatively small
water. If you are getting your kids into fishing, are tight on space on a family holiday, travel to fishing via bus or train, or are fishing from a boat then they have their place, but don’t get them if you’re not clear on why! Yes 12 foot rods can be a pain when casting in tight swims, but then kneel down: they cast further, offer more control playing fish and very importantly keep your line 2-3’ further away from the bank allowing you to steer fish away from marginal snags as well as over bars/weed etc. Of course if you want to buy them go ahead, just don’t expect them to be superior to your 12’ versions, for the aforementioned reasons!
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In reply to Post #141
Dam straight...
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In reply to Post #142
Dodgy link. 
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In reply to Post #140
I took a punt on the NGT Dynamic 3 piece handle - 8.5 feet, carbon, and can be used with only one or two sections if required. I think it was only released this year. Not fashionable, I know, but I found it to be ideal.
It seems plenty strong enough, is decently light, nice grippy stuff where you hold it on each section and has survived being trodden on a couple of times. It's a pole made of carbon; old technology and not a lot to go wrong. Cheap as chips too, so if it did break it wouldn't be the end of the world.
Best of all it has proven to be extremely lucky, helping me to land my new personal best four times since September.
Edit: try copy and paste:
https://nextgenerationtackle.com/3pc-8-5ft-dynamic-carp-full-carbon-net-handle/
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In reply to Post #140
The only 3 piece landing net handle I would consider would be a Dymag Tackle one.
Fantastic craftsmanship. Buy quality once, bought for life.
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In reply to Post #139
Just general reply not at you
How many three piece landing net poles are there out there?
I know you can get telescopic
But they re not really fit for purpose for big fish
Or can someone show me different?
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In reply to Post #138
all my rods are short rods, I only fish small waters and I see no point in casting from one side of a lake to the other.... I just walk round and drop a bait in where I want to fish... that said my Dwarf 9' rods supposedly can hit 100 yards plus depending on who you talk to and my Sharpe's 9' can comfortably hit 60-70 yards... don't see the point in me buying owt bigger TBH
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I have 3 sets of rods, my 13ft casting rods for long range fishing and bag work, my 12ft all round rods for most of my fishing but they are not used much now and a set of 9ft rods for a small water fishing and only use them at one lake as I am not a big fan of them. That said I have had the 9ft rods a good 4 or so years and if I take my 10 year old step daughter fishing with me she fishers with the 9ft rods as the 12 and 13ft rods are to long for her to cast.
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In reply to Post #134
yes i understand that and if there was a bow or any wind i wouldn't record it...when i was casting it was flat calm plus i have recorded my distances in a field as recommended by tel....
what pee'd me off was the sarcy assumption
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In reply to Post #134
Is that aimed at me?
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In reply to Post #132
It was a perfectly calm day and I know when I've hit a range pal...plus the point of the exercise was to establish if I could use these rods in most scenarios I face.
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In reply to Post #131
I'm not saying these rods can't do it as I know full well they can and more. What I am saying is anyone considering these that requires this range should try them on a measured court before buying. Many can't hit 120 with a 12ft rod .
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In reply to Post #130
OK, perhaps I could have worded it a bit better. If you hit the clip 'correctly', ie; no visible bow or slack line.
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In reply to Post #129
No, you can hit the clip with a bow in the line between you and the lead, even more so with strong cross winds.
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In reply to Post #128
Always makes me laugh these type of comments. Surely if you hit the clip and the line is tight, you have cast the said distance?
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In reply to Post #127
Now retrieve the slack line between you and the lead and you probably cast 85 yards.
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In reply to Post #104
I had the same experience myself. I was hoping for 100-110 as this would cover everything for me. When I cast out with a baited rig I wanted to make it as accurate as possibly rather than a good whack. I checked on the distance sticks and was delighted as I was hitting 125 comfortably hitting the clip each time. No doubt I could hit further but it made me realise that this concept was a perfect suit for me being a mobile angler and it would cover 99.9% of the fishing distances I will need.
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In reply to Post #119
I have a set of shimano tx compact 4 piece 12 foot rods always in the van just in case the 9footers cant reach a spot.
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In reply to Post #124
Do they still have a little stool for you to stand on so you can see over the counter
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In reply to Post #123
Whilst looking in my local tackle shop the other day I found some daiwa 4 piece 3lb rods that could be used as either 9 ft or 12 ft by removing a section.. looked pretty good for the money €50....
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In reply to Post #122
If they do a spod rod to match I probably would
I loved my old warrior XT rods and felt pretty underwhelmed when I upgraded
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In reply to Post #120
Fly rods are more often than not 4 piece. Heavier models can put the action and power of a carp rod to shame.
My 3 piece Harrisons are as nice as 90% of 2piece rods I've owned too.
Fox do a 3 piece 12ft warrior duggs, fancy a set of those
The 4 piece Harrison Avon is probably the nicest coarse rod I've ever used, had fish over 30lb on the pin with mine
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In reply to Post #120
If you think about it, scopes are three piece, and many modern beachcasters are 14 or 15 ft three piece
Three or more piece carp rods are around, but it's the full integration of everything else that's missing, the luggage, landing net, spod and marker rods that makes them a specialist item instead of a decent general kit
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Wasn't there an issue with the action/casting ability of 3 piece rods over 2 piece. That's why I thought beachcasters were usually 2 piece
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In reply to Post #118
Shimano covered this years ago with 3 piece and telescopics and have improved on it since.
Before discovering we could use the same airport service the ski community enjoyed it was the way to go. Some of the rods were excellent.
Nowadays the bazooka rules for flights, but the 3 piece and telescopics are still out there
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #117
Agree with this, 12ft 3 piece rods, there must be a gap in the market for those that want a 12ft rod that can be left out of site in the boot of a car.
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In reply to Post #116
I love the concept of the small pack down highly mobile approach, but I've never got on with short rods. If another manufacturer copied the concept but went with 3piece 12 footers I'd bet loads of anglers would swap, I might even be tempted myself.
I have to wonder, why are even short rods marketed by casting ability these days?
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In reply to Post #108
Dead right. I think that for the short time that Terry Edmonds was with Nash his best cast was 170 with a Scope (I remember laughing b/c Nash was talking about it like the rest of us would also be able to get this!!).
That's about a third less than he has got from a 13' carp rod. Which sounds about right.
Of course,if an angler can't compress a 12' rod but can compress the 10' then the difference would be less, but that's down to the angler's inability not the shorter rod's ability vs. a 12/13 footer.
Having said that, as a very average caster I would like to have a go with a Scope to see how close I get to my existing rods.
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Like I said in my previous post, shorter rods apply pressure more efficiently.
You will get higher output for less input...
Boat rods could be as long as you want, there's only an ocean in front of you. But they're 6 to 8ft.
Long stiff rods came about to cast loads distances short bendy rods couldn't
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In reply to Post #108
Apologies, I thought we were on about carp fishing. Not tournament casting.
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In reply to Post #108
A stiff 10ft rod that keeps it's effective length during the cast Ie a stiff tipped and softer butt, would be far longer than a 12ft rod that folds in half. The 10ft rod would therefore generate far greater lead speed and therefore cast further.
I have seen bainsey (who is over 60years old btw) put a 4oz lead on a 10ft rod over 150yds with cheap reel and 10lb line / leader.
It's a catfish rod that puts out massive amounts of power as it stays long during casts however folds under heavy pressure hence the massive output for stopping catfish.
It makes a brilliant method rod too!!
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In reply to Post #110
Definitely.............................not.
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In reply to Post #106
Well maybe its the answer to the original OPs question.
If they are easier to use, more accurate and easier to transport, maybe it's the extreme distance "craze" we've all been sold on and things are just returning to reality.
In the end it's all gonna boil down to preference anyway
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #109
Am I wrong, then?
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In reply to Post #98
Hey Ken, you been watching late night tv lately, they are showing Pie in the Sky, it's ok if you haven't seen it before.
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Let's just get back to reality for a moment here. Surely this is all about power, fulcrums and energy? If short rods are so wonderful, why do the tournament casters use rods of 12', 13' and even 15' to achieve the maximum distance?
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In reply to Post #106
ha ha, I only mentioned it cause I never use the cord with mine, just lay my spod rod on the floor and put the sticks in.
I think you're right, it's a compression thing. To compress a high T/C rod takes some doing and for a lot of casts under 100 yards you can get away without properly compressing the rod. When I used my Infinities I found I could cast just about as far with my 2.75's as I could with my 3.5's as they were easier to compress.
With my 3.25 rods I'm currently using I know when I've compressed them right when afterwards I wish I'd put a glove on  but for most casts you can get away without ever fully compressing the rod, most people probably don't or need to, unless they've spent an afternoon with Terry of course, having said that, 140 with a 10ft rod, folks should be queuing up for an afternoon with you
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In reply to Post #105
Lol no they have a fixed 12ft cord. I think people would be surprised if they had a go.
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In reply to Post #104
That's a **** of a cast, it would be for me anyway, everyone will now be selling their 13 footers and getting 10's.
Unless you had the distance sticks 10' apart of course
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In reply to Post #102
I went to a local lake just to see what I could do with them. I had in mind if I could hit 100yds I would be happy. After the first cast I knew I had gone a lot further so decided to clip up at 35 wraps around the sticks and much to my surprise I was consistently hitting the clip. What I found most surprising is that I could only get that distance with my 12ft rods so can only put it down to either being a more balanced set up or the 10ft rods are easier to compress.
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In reply to Post #97
so does that mean you can cast 70 yards with the scope
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In reply to Post #95
Seems pretty good going to me
How are you measuring it?
Is there a system other than going out into a field to measure or are you using Ken's method and guesstimating?
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #97
Please no pictures to back that up
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I've got 9' and 13' rods. I'm dumping the 12's and have just purchased some 11'ers.
Even numbers are like, so square maaaaan, so,er,like yesterday dude.
Scratches short back and slap and rubs beard thoughtfully while buffing Vass chesties to a pristine gleam with cuff from battered fair isle sweater.
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In reply to Post #97
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In reply to Post #83
....Any pictures to back that up? Yes, here you go!
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In reply to Post #87
I can cast 140yds with the scope...
And I've got a 12" dick but my missus reckon it's a lot less!
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In reply to Post #95
I'm maxing out about 115 with my 9 footers but I don't do much long distance stuff so I'm sure with practice I could get a little more out. Has anyone else found they cast better with lighter leds? I.e. 2.5oz-3oz? Mine are the 3.5lb scopes but I find I can't generate enough speed with a 4oz to reach full potential. Could just b a confidence thing. As I said I don't do a lot of distance fishing and I do worry that giving it a wack with a big lead will end up with a broken rod!! 😂😂
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In reply to Post #92
Indeed, I too was shocked, hitting over 130yds on the first cast with one.
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Not seen a single person using the scopes yet Hants Berks areas is it just a regional fad ?
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In reply to Post #92
Hahah 😂
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In reply to Post #87
140 yards with 10ft rods, really? I think I need casting lesions as I don't think I could get 140 yards with my 12fts and a bait boat!
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In reply to Post #89
Roach pole
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In reply to Post #89
No. They were too far away.
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In reply to Post #88
I wonder what the longest Rods people have used to fish for carp with? Anyone heard of anyone using Rods over 13ft?
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In reply to Post #67
I use 9ft Dymags for all my fishing now- just ordered a second set in the 2.75tc.
Is it because of marketing hype? No, I use them because I enjoy catching fish with them. Just like anyone should with any fishing rod they buy, whether that be 9/10/11/12 or 13ft.
I still find it odd that people want to fish with 3 and 3/4 tc rods!
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I wonder how many of the knockers have actually used 10ft rods? I purchased a set of 10ft scopes and sold my 12ft infinities. I can cast 140yds with the scope, that's more than enough for any situation. So, why bother with 12ft rods?
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In reply to Post #84
I use big pits on my 10fters whats wrong with that
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There's no way I'm fishing with 12 foot rods on a canal. 9fts are perfect.
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In reply to Post #49
I was using 10ft rods for carp 25 years ago. It's no fad, as some are saying...shorter rods make more sense on smaller waters and also, for margin work, they're in their element. You can exert more leverage with a shorter rod - which is why proper catfish rods for bank fishing tend to be 9 or 10ft. 10ft carp rods are also useful when fishing under trees and in tight swims. Also, handy in smaller cars, especially if the wife has pinched my car, I can still get out fishing in her smaller car with ten footers. I have three matched Hi S 10ft 2 3/4 carp rods, which get used for most of my fishing under 50 yds. I have used them up to about 90, but close to medium range is spot on. Matched to an appropriate reel, I use Shimano 3500B's, 5000 RE's or for going a little further out, Daiwa Castizm QD, a very light mini big pit. Shorter carp rods are just getting more popular, that's all. People it seems may have began to realise the advantages they offer. Many of us have known for years  I should now start a thread about the people who use big pit reels when fishing small waters 
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In reply to Post #82
What a relief. Any pictures to back that up? 
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In reply to Post #81
I am not replying to anybody 
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In reply to Post #74
Not you, the one to whom you were replying.
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In reply to Post #72
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In reply to Post #65
Think you need read the whole thread mate.My comment was aimed at someone saying they would move swims if using shorter rods but not 12ft so he certainly would not move with 13fters hey.Please try keep up  cheers for pointing it out though boycie 
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In reply to Post #77
I'm waiting for the 5 foot carp rod.
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In reply to Post #74
Mine was a general reply, not in reference to any particular post
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In reply to Post #72
Did they ever offer tank aerials in 13' versions???
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In reply to Post #68
Whoops
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In reply to Post #68
Me? Not sure why people are replying to my post, I was just trying to point out that bradders post was meant as sarcasm personally I can move swims quite easily with 9,10, 11 or even 12ft rods. I draw the line at 13ft though. That's just daft & plain dangerous.
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In reply to Post #72
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In reply to Post #69
Agree with much of what you have said
Like you, I've been around a long time and seen most of it in that time. I'm currently on 12.9's which I find suits me perfectly, having gone virtually the same route as you.
I also agree each to their own, enjoy your own fishing.
I do have some scepticism though about the thinking behind some of the stuff out there. Most of the 'new' stuff is just a re-hash of old ideas. MKIV's were 10' back in the 50's,
I can just see it in a few years time in the angling press
NEW RELEASE March 15th 2020
Just released this new rod from Kieth Dosh. Here is a press release from Kieth:
"We have released this rod which has been designed with input from our new consultant Joe ********. Joe has brought years of experience from his 56 other consultant roles with other companies. Here's what Joes has to say
"This is a totally new departure from modern trends of short rods as it's actually a 12 foot. We are also bringing out a 12' 6" version for special hard core carpy geezers. Both rods feature a special dickhead tip which makes casting ability far better than shorter rods. Obviously being longer than most rods currently they cost more due to the extra materials".
Kieth also revealed that there is to be a complete range of luggage including longer rod hold-alls to accommodate this new revolutionary rod range. It will be made from a new material called 'Slippery Fish'.
In a breathtaking new initiative Kieth has announced that in conjunction with Kieth Dosh Auto's Ltd that, due to the recent Government clampdown on diesel cars and the VW emissions scandal, they have bought up huge numbers of VW diesel Golf and Passat estates which will be offered at knock down prices to anglers who buy the new rods. These cars being estates fit the longer rods in perfectly. The whole range of vehicles, luggage and rods will bear the name "Grand Theft Auto" and will be endorsed by some virtually unknown Olympic athlete.
PRESS RELEASE June 16th 2020
Dennis Faircopguv has announced a new revolutionary range of tackle. Designed in conjunction with new consultant Joe ******** who bring the experience of working for 57 other companies, these rods make the use of new materials described as "breathtaking" by industry insiders. "We have ditched using carbon fibre in favour of fibre glass which is more flexible. These cast well and are built to make use of the new Scatterbait method". Joe said" We know from experience that 99% of anglers can't find a gravel patch a foot wide at 160 yards in weedy waters even with radio controlled boats, drones, camera and sat navy technology, let alone hit it with a cast from a rod, so we designed this rod with this in mind. With the revolutionary fibre glass technology, the flex of the rod ensues that no two cast hit the same spot so anglers fish a larger area. When pressed for details Joe said this area was around "a tennis court" sized area so anglers should bait up an area like this to maximise their potential catch rate. This method has also been endorse by Zenon Headlights and his company Mainroad Baits. The new range of rods would be 11 foot and come in test curves starting at 1.5 going up to 2.5. A new range of luggage will be available as as Dennis stated " no one want to walk around with a rod hold-all with the top foot flapping around like the current 12 foot ones. They will also sell a beefed up 12 foot version spot rod. This will come with a hacksaw to saw the top foot off to make the perfect 'custom' spot rod.
Dennis also confirmed that this range of tackle would be endorsed by international rap Star Honey B.
Dennis took this opportunity to denie that a recent trip to India had nothing to do with looking for large numbers of Austin A40's or Morris Minors.
PRESS RELEASE June 30th 2020
Cash Controllers launch their own range of tackle.
Greg Shylock general manager said today that due to a huge upsurge in people buying cheap carp rods they are rebadging cheap rods as their own and selling them off at 'competitive' prices. Greg said "We have seen a 100% upsurge in people buying Badger and Dragon carp rods. We are now rebadging these best sellers as our own brand". It seems to be the case that anglers who want rods in 12 to 13 foot lengths are not happy at paying 2 grand a rod so are turning to the Cash Controllers brand which can be had for around £400 per rod. Greg said the current slump in productivity in China due to workers driving around in huge diesel 4x4's dumped on the market made the situation worse, which was a bonus for Cash Controllers and they intended to make the most of it whilst it lasted. Greg also confirmed that local 'personality' WasteofSpace Wayne who was clocked doing a sub nine second 100 meters from Greenland supermarket when chased by security was being lined up to endorse their range.
PRES SNIPPET.
An article from from the Hull Advertiser and Free Ads contained the following snippet:
"Rod Rabbithutch has file a case to sue Dennis Faircopguv for stealing his ideas. Sources close to the case said it was "something to do with tennis courts".
'As the chorus from the song 'Where have all the flowers gone?'......."Oh when will they ever learn, when will they learn"
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In reply to Post #66
Somewhere on this thread someone still uses a barrow N'all. Kind of defeats the purpose of the mobile approach IMO, taking that amount of gear to warrant a barrow but hey, if it wasn't for the odd folk we wouldn't be able to point and titter....
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In reply to Post #65
Are you for reel mate?
I'll just correct that for you:
Are you for reel real mate?
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I started off with 10' glass rods back in the day, then progressed to 11' glass which i loved. Eventually i got a pair of newly introduced carbons in 11'. They were a revelation!
As longer range fishing was becomming more popular, i bought a pair of 12' carbons, even more of a revelation!
I've used 12' rods ever since, i did borrow a set of 13' Armalite's from a mate one week as a lot of people were starting to use 13'. They weren't for me though, i couldn't get on with them. Maybe the blanks weren't right for me etc but, tried other 13's since and not liked them.
So for many years i stuck with 12' until i got my Torrix TE 12' 6" which i loved from the off. I just think it's a mix of the action and the 12' 6" length that works so well. Other than the Torrix though, all my other rods are 12'. For me, that is an optimum length for a carp rod.
I have caught carp on much shorter rods including some little 6' jobs but, i think a lot of the feel and enjoyment is lost when playing fish on these type of rods?
A guy on a local lake uses 9', and too be fair, he gets good distance and has his share of fish on them, and loves them.
Not really for me though, unless stalking in tight spots.
Each to their own
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In reply to Post #66
Oh dear, schooled again...
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In reply to Post #66
So do we now look forward to the classified section being full of crap 12 and 13 footers for sale?
Sets of 3 x Hi S, aviators, R1's etc for under £100?
I reckon it's 25% usefulness 75% marketing bull****.
It will be interesting to see where we are 5 years down the road. Will everyone be using 9 foot rods or will there be a rush to ditch them and buy 'old skool' big rods.
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In reply to Post #65
Read the whole thread. Someone said that having 9ft rods made it easier to move swims.
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In reply to Post #61
Lol na, if you've got 13ft Rods and there's fish in another swim don't even bother moving, literally it is not worth it. Just stay where you are as you will have problems relocated my 😂😂😂😂🙈🙈
Are you for real mate?
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In reply to Post #60
That's a matter of opinion. Because it's a good rod for some 1 else dose not mean it's good for everybody.
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In reply to Post #62
I take it that none of the people using short rods ever have to apply side strain to keep a carp out of marginal snags? Surely a longer rod is a benefit then?
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In reply to Post #61
I was very sceptical when Nash brought out his Scope and Dwarf range of rods , I immediately thought it was a scam to get everyone to part with more cash.
However I admit now I was so very wrong, having started Carp fishing in the 90s I just took it as gospel that carp rods had to be at least 12 ft long, why I thought that I don't really know but I did.
For the last 3 seasons I've been using 9ft rods for all my fishing , I find them more accurate when casting and far easier to use in swims with overhanging trees. The lake I fish is only around 10 acres so can hit all spots easily with a 2oz lead. I'm totally sold on shorter rods and would only change when and if I change venues and I need long rods again.
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In reply to Post #59
No good if want move swims though
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There's also a fashion thing for 13f aviators seems to be THE rod to get
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In reply to Post #55
Not all clubs will allow you to start trimming back overgrown swims, I know a couple that I'm in would give you a bollocking for it.
I've not yet got a set of 10ft rods but I've been intending to for some time just so it's easier to get into overgrown, un-fished swims and also for the canal.
As said though there's also the fashion element, I can't deny that I think a set of small rods with some nice baitrunners look good on the bank...and if people can afford to have different sets, enjoy having nice things and aren't harming anyone else's fishing then why not
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In reply to Post #56
Watch this space in 10 years, I'll put my money on 9/10ft Rods losing sales.
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As said in my earlier post a 10ft rod is much easier when using a boat ,I've lost count of the number of times I've almost snapped the tip off my 13ft rods while on the boat (3ft hanging over the back) .
But I do agree that most people buying scopes Orr dwarves are just following the crowds ,but if that's want they want to do then that's all good .I'm certainly not going to judge them.
I don't agree that you would move if you had scopes but not if you had big rods
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In reply to Post #51
Lol how tight are these swims of yours? And are you saying people with 12 ft Rods can't make the distance to the far off points but you can with your scopes?
I personally would rather invest 40 quid in a set of decent extendable tree cutters and keep my 12ft Rods 😮
But, if I had the money I'd definitely buy a set of scoops and marry them with some castizms just to have then if I wanted
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In reply to Post #49
What, like 13' rods?????
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In reply to Post #51
I'm exactly the same I have my 9ft scopes, unhooking mat, tempest brolly and bait kept in the boot if I do manage to find the time to get a night out I only have to throw my sleep system on the rear seats and take a bit off food and I'm sorted.
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Granted it wouldn't stop you considering and making a move, but in the possible rush of excitement heaving your big pits and 12/13 footers a couple hundred metres it really does take it out of you! I've been there and it isn't the most pleasant of experiences, just saying it takes a bit of weight away and so it's easier.
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In reply to Post #48
Had scopes for a year now and have sold my 12ft greys platinums as I just wasn't using them anymore! I'm a single dad with two boys and most of my sessions begin with dropping them off to their grandparents for the night. Using scopes mean all my gear is tucked away in the boot so no need to fold down any seats and makes this process much easier! I think most of the benefits have already been mentioned on here but but I will add that scalling down to scopes has somehow made my fishing even more enjoyable. Also let's not forget that the whole concept of scope is "to hunt for carp" it's a valid point that the extra 3ft of carbon doesn't weigh much more however the foldeddown package is just so much more manageable. I've certainly upped my catch rate dramatically since going over to scope and fingers crossed the rest of you don't because that leaves the small swims and far off points all to me!!! 👍
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In reply to Post #48
Laziness
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In reply to Post #1
Just another fad to catch the gullible 
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It started as a trend, selling point, I can see the advantages though but am shocked that an angler possibly wouldn't consider a move if they were using bigger rods & reels....ridiculous !
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I'd say the advantages are transportation as mentioned, storage (live in a small flat with very limited space), weight (less of a task to move and quicker too), fitting in swims if your lake is an overgrown one & increased accuracy of casting short distances. I think the fact these short rods have enabled someone on here to get out fishing more is awesome, and a no brainer if you think they'd do the same for you.
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In reply to Post #45
Defo easier when using a small boat !
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It's like you see these people with the little fold up bikes you see. Why have a little gold up 1 when you can have a normal size bike?
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In reply to Post #24
Like I say, I don't fish "big" waters, so I never need a 200 yard cast, and there's never a 4 mile walk around to the other side .
But I see your point.
Horses for courses as you say.
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In reply to Post #42
Looks to me like I've opened a can of worms.
Sorry if I've missed it but has anyone stated any actual benefit of 9/10 foot Rods over 12 other than transportation?
The reason I think it's all a bit gimmicky is that go back 5 years when I used to circulate these forums and not one thread would be found enquiringly about them other than for stalking.....
Then Nash comes along with a massive marketing scheme and everyone's deciding to change?
I think noj pointed out that shorter Rods have been available forever......how comes these guys that feel they should use 10ft Rods now didn't do so before?
I dont hate fashion, but I don't like fashion for the sake of fashion.....
Oh how modern marketing casts a shadow over so many people 🙈🙈😂
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In terms of being able to move/relocate more easily with shorter rods - something I hear touted as a great benefit by guys in my clubs - I've never found the weight of an extra 2 foot of carbon particularly difficult to cart around. Unless you were leaving the rods set up and negotiating tight passageways or lots of vegetation I can't really see that the additional few feet of normal length rods is too difficult to manage either.
I'd personally rather have the extra few feet to be able to reach around/over marginal snags and hold my line above weed.
The short rods have always seemed a bit gimmicky to me for carping, but only because I've only had 12 footers. Used 10ft float and 6 foot lure rods before and not had any issues with these.
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In reply to Post #38
45 years lol. Your about 15 up on me
Enjoy your fishing and drinking pal
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In reply to Post #25
No boats , or bait boats.
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In reply to Post #33
Under arm cast?
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In reply to Post #37
I look back to over 50 years of fishing and 45 years of drinking beer 
Could have been retired and fishing loads if i hadn't wasted all that money on beer 
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Use what you want, ain't no rules
Times change, fishing moves on and so does the methods. My carp first rod was a 11 footer, my second a 12 foot 2 1/4 test casting tool.
For me a good allround carp rod these days is a 12 foot 3 1/4 test (depending on action etc). This will cover most modern carping requirements and situations. Start with PVA bags, extra distance reaching fish or features and different venues etc. you will be left wanting
Sold my HiS 10 footers, fish a variety of waters, couldn't justify them sat in my garage
Wish I could have all the money back I have wasted on gear over the years £££££ 
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In reply to Post #24
If I was fishing a lake that size I wouldn't use 6foot rods
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In reply to Post #34
cast sideways and play fish with rod tip just above surface water.
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I use my 10 ft rods when using a boat ,much less cumbersome than my 13ft rods which are my preferred rods if casting and playing from the bank.
You don't always have to play fish with the rod above your head ,use side strain or even underwater if that's the only place you can get the space
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In reply to Post #30
if you have enough headroom to cast then surely you have enough to play a fish?
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In reply to Post #30
but if your playing a fish would the last few feet of the rod not be bent over ? eliminating the need to kneel / have shorter rods ?!
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In reply to Post #14
I only have a saxo and have owned it near on 20 years. Still using 12ft rods altho at times would be nice to have shorter rods due to lack of space etc.
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In reply to Post #28
You cant just kneel down if the cover is too low to hold a 12ft rod up to play the fish though.
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In reply to Post #23
I am the same, being a big lad, 6ft 4 handling a 13 or 14ft rod is relatively easy. However, when fishing for pike in Scotland I got 2 Dave Lumb loch tamers 10ft 3.5lb. Needed these to wade out under trees to cast, and no you can't kneel down to cast when water is up to your armpits !
However, loved playing fish on the shorter rods and have used them at Rainbow where they are ideal in my option. Have also got 2 9ft Scopes and again, love them also for fish playing and good from a boat. I think that in a lot of instances we use long rods where short ones could be better, certainly when fishing short-medium range, but as always some will like them and others will not.
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In reply to Post #27
If I ever have that problem I just cast kneeling down 
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I started using 9ft rods on two swims at my lake due to overhanging trees so I can cast overhead rather than just an under arm flick.The rest of the time its my 13ft Trebuchet Lites.
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Right tool for the job, I've got three yateley 10ft 2.75tc torrix but only use one to stay mobile or occasionally add a lite 12ft floater rod, so two remain unused and I bet there are loads of unused rods and reels tucked away all over the country.
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In reply to Post #24
I'd still use a shorter rod, and a boat
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In reply to Post #19
"If I want to fish any further out I'll just walk round the lake and fish that side "
I was going to say that too!!
.............that's all very well but when it's anything in excess of 200 yards across, or out of bounds on the far bank, or actually a 4 mile walk to the other side as with one lake I used to fish, then your 9ft rod just isn't going to cut it. Horses for courses I suppose.
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In reply to Post #1
I'd say it's more like for years we've been sold the absolute lie that you need 13ft casting pokers with a £1000 surf reel lashed to it.
Honestly as men sometimes we are so easily sold on stuff we don't need it's unbelievable....I too bought into the 10ft back in the 80s then 11ft then 12ft and then 13ft spending thousands along the way and then suddenly someone comes along and bingo back to 9ft scopes and loving them.
I think in all the years I've been carp fishing I've very rarely fished at over 100 yards so all the money I've spent has been a complete waste....the shorter rods are a lot better pack down if you have a smaller car, still have a really good playing action and the bonus for me is when I go abroad the water I fish is all from a boat so the 9ft rod is perfect for that too.
Sure they have their limitations i'e zig fishing but I've still got 12 footers to take instead.
Overall I really like them and won't be suckered again anytime soon
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You've been able to buy harrison/dymag/yateley, free spirit creepers and other designated stalking rods for years.
It's the scopes with big guides and big reels that's new.
Shorter rods apply power more efficiently so needn't be as high TC, cast more accurately at short range, fish come up to net closer to the bank and they're obviously lighter. How many spinning and boat rods have you seen over 9ft?
The reach you get around bank side vegetation is worse, line pick up at range and float control is pants and they won't cast as far. Again, how many beachcasters are below 12ft?
Makes me laugh when you see a stalking set up that comprises of 2-3 rods and alarms.... That's just fishing at close range with short rods
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No doubt there are occasions where short rods are an advantage. For years people managed without them but with some clever marketing it's created a whole new market where you now own another set of rods and no doubt you'll want new reels, holdalls etc etc to go with them
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In reply to Post #19
Just buying 9/10ft... cycling few miles to my swim on canal should be much easier now!
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In reply to Post #18
"If I want to fish any further out I'll just walk round the lake and fish that side "
I was going to say that too!!
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In reply to Post #17
if I want to fish any further out I'll just walk round the lake and fish that side . And moving is a doddle they sit in the unhooking mat nicely. In all honesty I've not had my little rods that long maybe used them 5 sessions caught fish on them 4 times and I've prob moved 4 sessions I don't think with my bigger rods and reels I would of bothered.
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When I first started fishing (in the 60's) there weren't many 12' rods around.
We were brought up on 9 & 10' float and ledger rods and 6' spinning rods (carp rods hadn't even been invented ).
Fast forward 50 years and I still prefer shorter rods. A 12' rod feels "unwieldy" in my hands.
Out of personal choice I prefer an 11 footer. I can be more accurate with it, and cast as far as I need.
I can see the advantages of a 12 or 13 footer to a good caster fishing a really big water.
But I'm never going to fish that type of water, so for me their advantages would be lost.
Not only is a shorter rod more useful if you want to be a bit mobile, but I find netting and landing fish a lot easier too.
It's like reels..... if I'm never going to fish an "ocean" why would I need big pits?
I certainly don't think shorter rods are a fad, or fashion.
There must be loads of guys fishing smaller lakes who are quite happy with these shorter rods.
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In reply to Post #14
Brilliant!
And spot on, it's a fad, like vass chest waders, rods whose distance apart is measured in mm and the latest over complicated rig.
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I'm not sure it's a fad, I think they're a better choice for most UK lakes. I haven't used anything longer than 10ft since 2012, never wished I had 12 or 13ft on the rests.
They do everything I want and more importantly, fit in the back of the van on the barrow.
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In reply to Post #1
It's pure gimmick. The biggest con of the last five years. On your average carp venue nowadays how many swims have overhanging trees? How many carp anglers go fishing in Fiat Uno's? Carp rods in the '60's were 10' because nobody could manufacture decent 12' sticks....
Next from Nash: Magic beans!
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I prefer longer rods, they are nicer to play fish on and are easier to cast! But all said and done i use a pair of 11ft 2.25lb rods for smaller venues or if I'm using the bait boat. They are powerful enough to land anything but the soft tip gives confidence and a decent cushion. I can't see a short rod offering that, they must be like broomsticks! 10ft is as short as i would go i think..
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In reply to Post #11
9fts changed my game.made me look at swims i couldnt previously fish.also as someone said,they live in my car so i can go to the lake if i finish work early.
as a result ive had more carp this year already than the whole of last year.
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In reply to Post #1
im looking for some 10fters
Not to be carpy, not to follow trends and fashion. i currently fish 12ft banshees on a shimano st ra bait runner so me and trendy doesn't go.
more for practicality as my syndicate is 130 yards at its widest point and the other park pools i fish are no bigger. I have no desire to cast 160 yards i probably couldn't if i tried.
shorter rods would make my angling easier for me, as i like to get out the way of others on the bank and fish in the tighter swims.
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In reply to Post #9
It's probably something to do with the fact people might not change a 12ft rod for another 12ft rod, but when they only have a 12ft rod and a 9 or 10ft rod will catch them more fish (allegedly) then they might change. Marketing.
I give some credence to those that want to keep a set of rods in the boot for short sessions before/after work by the way, but they are probably in the minority.
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In reply to Post #8
Its odd that you mention this craze, once upon a time, back in the 60's and into the 70's when I used to use 10' rods like everyone else, a craze also started happening and carp anglers started using 11' and 12' rods instead of the traditional 10' rods. Strange is'nt it?
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Four words
Alan Blair Nash Scopes
Carpy,Game Changer,Trip one up.You decide....
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I use 10ft rods on a little pool i fish only because i feel my 13ft aviators be a bit over kill
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In reply to Post #1
personally I just prefer shorter rods, find it easier to cast accurate with them also a lot more practical in terms of space as I usually go on my bike to my local lake. The lakes I fish also aren't that big so mega casting isn't needed, and even if it was could probably do as well with a 9ft than a 12
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Most of my lakes ain't big casts so I can cast just as far as I need with my 6foots as I can my 12s
Do get a lot of comments about how small the rods are.
And as for zigs I can easy chuck a 4ft zig out on them any more I wouldn't bother I'll either fish on top or adjustable zig
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Fashion is probably a huge part of it.
I've just got my first set of 9's because I can hide them in the boot of the car all day, then go straight to the lake after work, where as my 12's would need to go in the back seat.
I'd use 12's on any venue possible I could.
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In reply to Post #1
hi mate,
I've only just passed my driving test, so I'm nipping about in a Vauxhall corsa, I can get my rods, along the back seat, side ways. Also, I've never been the strongest of casters, but with my 10fters, nash scopes, I can actually cast further with a 10ft rod than a 12. Maybe it's just my technique. I do see your point, I've seen people on instagram fishing huge big lakes/ressies with 9ft rods, huge swims... that doesn't seem that logical to me?
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In reply to Post #1
probably because it is ""carpy "
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Why is there an influx of these short Rods nowadays. What's the reasoning behing them?
9 and 10 foot Rods instead of 12 and 13.....
Apart from packdown size and manouveravility in tight swims with overhanging trees why would someone choose them?
Surely the extra 2ft aids in casting meaning you can have a less powerful blank and more enjoyable playing tool over a shorter rod which would need the extra TC to match the distances achievable? Also makes zigs a little more difficult to handle?
Am I missing something? Is it just a craze or is there something more?
For the record I have a set of 2lb 10ft Rods I've had for years used mainly for stalking in tree lined banks or small lakes so not anti small Rods just curious
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