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In reply to Post #462
That knock in the early t20s was phenomenal, 15 ball 50  when you see the opening partner trying to get singles to get him on strike you know he's good, then when you realise it's Jason Roy trying to give him the strike 
Probably a year too soon for him but hell have a big future regardless of how this series pans out
Bit of a golden arm too 
Might need a few overs from him, and briggs will probably make the team as another bowling option, I can't see stokes bowling 10
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In reply to Post #461
Been watching Jacks, his bat speed and timing are some of best i have seen in over 40 years of watching and playing cricket. Would love to see him open with Salt. Sadly i don't think we will see Hales in an England shirt again and as you say he will walk into most teams. 
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In reply to Post #460
I'm in two minds on it tbh, it sends a strong message to young players
But when he's on form he's devastating, I love watching him bat.
I hope they stick with the formula tomorrow, stick Jacks and salt up top and try and milk the power play, I'd probably go vince at 3, malan at 4 provided stokes can bowl
I'm surprised Crawley made the squad, and also surprised Sam hain didnt
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In reply to Post #459
No doubt Morgans had a say but Hales deserves another chance and if Morgan don't like it there's the door but they ain't got the balls to do that.
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In reply to Post #458
I wonder who's made the decision there, Giles or Morgan.
Shame though, would walk into most other teams, probably the most destructive opener in world cricket.
Mind you Jacks will fancy a shot at the title, he's been outstanding for Surrey the past couple of years
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In reply to Post #457
Talk about punishment fitting the crime what hales did is wrong but Giles said door is still open but i think
the ECB has just slammed it shut ffs.
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What a shocker
You lose an entire squad to covid isolation and Hales still can't get in 
The batting lineup looks pretty strong, the bowling looks a lot weaker tho
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In reply to Post #455
Trouble is it's excuse after excuse.
NZ had players from IPL so why didn't ours play?
Seems to me that the batters struggle to come out of t20 mode with some of the shots seen, absolutely no discipline.
Yet the Kiwis showed how and when to leave and they all play t20.
Whatever Giles has bought in clearly is not working we will struggle against India as well as the Aussies.
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So that went well...
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In reply to Post #453
I don't know what's going wrong with pope, he's got all the talent, regularly goes big for Surrey, but just keeps "doing a vince" looking great then getting out in the 20s or 30s for england
No chance for anyone to work on there game with only a couple of red ball games in july and none in june
Mind you, the hundred might help sibley learn a shot other than the tentative nudge to the leg side 
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In reply to Post #452
Agree with Burns but even he should have left that 2nd ball. And as good as he looks Pope needs to start pushing on when he gets in. Good that all the t20 games are on youtube. 
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In reply to Post #451
Nice to see burns get some runs, but I won't be surprised if 5 of that top 7 miss the India series
Surrey have started the t20s in seriously good form
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Don't know what to say really, No application from the batters. Fielding dreadful.
Bowlers bowled their hearts out but no spinner.
Well played to NZ showed why they are in the final.
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In reply to Post #449
Totally agree Ken also good to see a lot of the counties streaming games on Youtube.
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Well the NZ Tests are warming us up nicely for the coming series against India and it was great to see and hear the barmy Army back in full flow at last. It's been a struggle watching crowdless cricket.
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In reply to Post #447
Yes going forward playing Archer Anderson and Broad together weakens the batting so for me Woakes would come in unless you got an all firing batting line up but we have too many collapses.
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In reply to Post #446
It was wrong to put bess in for the last game but they did it 
Before his injury I would have put virdi ahead of bess, but bess' batting makes a difference
Poor handling of the bubble breaks in general, moeen, woakes, Curran(remember his knock vs India, could have done with some of that)
Woakes has been overlooked and underrated too often imo
Hopefully they've realised by now that archer is at best a no. 10 batter
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In reply to Post #445
Virdi's there for the experience would be wrong to put him in. Agree they like Pope but he has to deliver at some point.
I think Burns will come back in Crawley moved to three. Bairstow got three ducks from four knocks could be his test career over he can only be picked for keeper cover and not frontline batter. Felt sorry for Woakes not played on the tour then sent home when they could have done with his control but heyho as you say see who starts scoring runs in the cc.
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In reply to Post #444
Root has always been too reactive rather than pro active for me. Burns is a good captain imo but hasn't nailed his spot in the team, quite a few players needing early runs when the cc kicks off. Pope will come good, they clearly think a lot of him if they pull him back after long layoffs without any game time
I thought virdi would have been thrown to the wolves in the last match
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In reply to Post #443
Bess needs a couple of seasons playing CC i think they pulled him into the test arena too early. I think Pope will have to start scoring or Lawrence will have his place. Root for me is too defensive in his field settings although it helps to have runs on the board.
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In reply to Post #442
Yeh the hundred will fix the rot, road like wickets, balls that don't swing and a format where you'd rather lose three wickets than play out a maiden 
I'm actually looking forward to it, but your right that it's another obstacle in the way of test quality player development.
I hope bess recovers from this series, poor handling of a promising player.
The part of this series I can't fathom though, for years I've got used to epic top order collapses, 80 for 5 isn't unusual for England, but we'll still usually post a score. This series it seemed as soon as we were 6 down it was all over. Its not like we're short of all rounders
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In reply to Post #441
Agreed totally outplayed by India in last three tests regardless what the wicket is like it's the same for both teams.
I think the home series will be a cracker and could go either way.
Don't worry though 'The Hundred' will be the answer. 
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Well, that went well!
We've got to get back our confidence before the summer tests v India. Got to put my hands together for the Indian team. We cannot always blame the wicket and the conditiions when we are getting thrashed. Can't help feeling this rotation business hasn't helped, nor has living in a bubble for weeks on end.
Roll on the summer!
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I decided that rather than watch us get thrashed I'd go outside, mow the lawns and dig over the flower bed ready for Tat to do her stuff with the bedding plants. Came in to see that we lost by ten wickets after facing just over 80 overs in two innings! Yikes...thanks a lot, England...She's been nagging me since lockdown started to get those jobs done!
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In reply to Post #438
Gill gave a chance to 2nd slip but we had no one there. One can become two then a bit of panic then who knows either way it was a crap field. Crowd the batsmen and see what happens.
As for the pitch things like that should happen on 4th and 5th days.
ICC too weak to do anything to BCCI so don't think much will happen.
Thought the umpires were decent given the nature of the pitch but third umpire again was sub standard.
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In reply to Post #437
Close catching is vital and we won't get the chances wiothe the field like that! Did you see the amount of dust and scuffed wicket they swept up betwen the innings...! 
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In reply to Post #436
We need to take 10 wickets and the field is spread
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In reply to Post #435
Just ridiculous. This is not why I watch test cricket...and it's not because I am English and hate seeing us being humiliated; it's simple because these wickets are simply not good enogh for Test Matches.
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In reply to Post #434
Pink ball playing a day/nighter not taking into account that India would produce another turner.
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This is just ridiculous! Could be all over soon! Why oh why did we picked three quicks!???
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In reply to Post #432
At this rate it'll only last 2 days
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In reply to Post #431
ICC are scared of the BCCI so can't see that and no one has been injured but this is what the last two days of a test should be not the first two.
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I think some questions need to be asked regarding the wicket , for a wicket to be in that state so early , i know the home side will prepare a wicket to suit their style of play , but this is getting silly and dangerous for the faster bowlers , also there is another test to be played there shortly !
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In reply to Post #429
Excellent fightback by England 5fer for the skipper. However i fear much the same for our batters and we need to put some partnerships together.
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In reply to Post #428
On the last tour to Sri Lanka, England dominated by using the sweep/reverse, that shot is high risk against these quicker spinners, and the variable bounce has done for a lot of the batsmen. Three big failures says they haven't been able to adapt
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In reply to Post #427
Yep Crawley looked a different class to the rest but like i said before if they start using their feet to get to the pitch of the ball then it doesn't matter if the ball turns or not you can just play straight don't know what the coaches are teaching them.
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Another shocker.
Crawley looked a different player to the walking wicket he was in Sri Lanka tho, about the only positive I could find
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That went well...
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In reply to Post #423
Haven't seen today's play yet, but it was unlikely they'd hang in for a draw.
Just a shame we didn't see any fight, a couple of 50 partnerships amongst the top 4 and the stroke players may have fancied it
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Well played India better in all departments. What gets me is trying to save a test and over half get out to attacking shots. At least make the oppo work for the win. At least the next one is a day/nighter with a pink ball so Anderson will play but don't forget India have a decent seam attack as well so could be an interesting match.
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In reply to Post #421
I think England should sit down and watch Rohit's 161 on how to use your feet to get to the pitch of the ball to nullify the amount of turn instead of playing from the crease.
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In reply to Post #420
Foakes back to normal this morning
Even looked relaxed standing up to Broad, I bet the quick loved that
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In reply to Post #419
Yeh pope looked good
It looks a lot easier to bat once the ball has softened a bit, the top 3 have to survive 25 overs really to give 456 a chance of posting a score
Games gone but I'm hoping for a bit of fight
If the hundred takes off it'll get worse in the summer. I like all forms tho, and like to see some of the international players that wouldn't come if the t20 was more drawn out. I do think they need to sandwich a few County rounds in that period tho.
I was a bit surprised at the county format this season, first glance at the Surrey fixtures and I thought they'd been relegated
Every time England struggle away we get the same questions, lose in India and we need some bunsens at county level, lose in oz and we need bouncy pitches, you don't hear it after a loss in the windies
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In reply to Post #418
Pope looked okay as well. How Lawrence stayed for 50 odd balls is a credit to him cos he looked like he was going to get out on most of them rabbit in headlights. But with pyjama cricket taking up middle of summer county championship squeezed to both ends of the season how many of these get to face real spin on dustbowls. I see a comment from Mark Waugh saying the wicket isn't fit for test cricket with the surface exploding on a length from the first day.
No excuses for me India have prepared a wicket for their team and have outplayed us in every department.
Root must be due a double ton so all is not lost.
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In reply to Post #417
Very tricky chance but by his standards that was a bad miss
Two long days after not playing for a long time I suppose.
Hopefully England can get some plans in
Place to control the run rate a bit better
Will be interesting to see how long India bat for, I'd expect them to win if they declare overnight but I'd guess they'll leave it till a few overs before tea
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In reply to Post #416
Foakes didn't look troubled at all stumping was hard turned sharply. Even with the dodgy third umpire England have been second best and those decisions wouldn't of made any difference tbh. Rohit yesterday took the game to us by attacking. I think 250 was a good 1st innings score on that wicket and once passed that we were up against it and they could attack with their field. Be a good one to save
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In reply to Post #415
Shocker really, wasn't surprised foakes did well with the bat, was very surprised he missed that stumping
Third umpire needs sacking
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In reply to Post #414
Well that was fun. Why are we so scared of using our feet against decent spin instead of playing from the crease.
I reckon India can declare now and still win.
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In reply to Post #413
It's looking like series decided at the toss with the pitches so far. Unless England do something amazing over the next 2-3 days I can only see an India win or at best a draw.
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Well i think 1st day has slightly gone to India because of run rate. We need to get the rest out cheaply because this wicket appears to be already deteriorating more quickly than the 1st test. I can't see us having a run rate any where near India's and batting last on this will be a nightmare. We need all our batters to start contributing as Root will fall cheaply at some point. Root also slowed the rate down when he was bowling. Big day tomorrow and hopefully keep the pressure on.
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In reply to Post #411
Some of the ball tracking raised the eyebrows in the 1st test, but the stumping and then the catch off the handle
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In reply to Post #410
More like the people using it.
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In reply to Post #409
Drs has been useless this series!
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In reply to Post #408
Agree with the stumping stumpcam proves it for me but he's just gone now anyway.
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In reply to Post #406
They need something to happen, it's getting away from England since lunch.
I've been hoping to see someone dry up an end, bring the keeper in to play with the charge down the wicket.
Yadav will be a handful on this pitch!
Edit, that stumping (over 71) looked out to me
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In reply to Post #405
Ishant let one rip 
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In reply to Post #404
Yeah agree with run rate but must remember Ali hasn't bowled much in the last year plus they have these plans
to get batsmen out whilst putting a couple of men close to each other is leaving gaps elsewhere.
The other thing is the pitch is breaking up already and i didn't think the last one did on the first day.
Still surprised they dropped Bess though.
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In reply to Post #402
Still can’t get my head round what made that bail come off , it wasn’t the wind 
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Decent morning for England, scoreboard is ticking a bit too quickly for my liking tho, and likely to accelerate with this and the next pair.
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In reply to Post #402
Ah ok, I heard that delivery and thought it was over so I started some noisy work, was a bit surprised to hear the last couple of balls when I turned the tool off
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In reply to Post #401
The bail was dislodged before Ishant played the ball
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In reply to Post #400
Outstanding spell from Jimmy this morning
I was at work for the end and listened to the archer phantom wicket near the end, I still haven't seen what happened?
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Fantastic win for England. Leach got the ball rolling but Anderson ripped the heart out of India's batting with
an awesome spell of bowling. Bess bowls too many loose balls at this level unless he can get consistency to hold up one end there will be calls for him to be dropped. Be interesting to see if India make any changes for Saturday. England's selectors will want to bring Broad in but for who? At least we know Foakes is playing.
Well done England i reckon India will come back hard and we are in for a cracking series.
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In reply to Post #398
Good knock from stokes this morning , root still plodding away nicely 👍
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In reply to Post #397
Good day for England, great one for rooot
I'll forgive burns his brainfart, it was a bad time to try it and was poorly executed, but I like him giving the bowlers something to think about.
That's one issue with this partnership, it seems to me burns gets in, gets the 50 partnership in the bag and feels he has to kick on to balance sibleys dour strike rate
Hopefully England are still batting at breakfast
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Root another majestic knock this time to a superior bowling attack. Big shout to Sibley too. Burns doing ok until......
Lawrence after his 70 on debut hasn't looked as solid. Overall a good day for England but they need to capitalise
tomorrow need 600+.
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In reply to Post #394
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In reply to Post #394
That was a nice surprise
Ive never liked tests starting on fridays, your back at work for days 4 and five and can't follow it properly
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Just a heads up for those that don’t have sky , the series against India which starts on Friday at 4am is being shown live on channel 4 , all four tests as well 👍👍
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In reply to Post #392
Apparently they have only named the squad for the first two tests and said Foakes is playing in the second so don't know about third and fourth tests yet.
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In reply to Post #391
I'd hope so but I can see him playing the series to sure up the top 3, hopefully as a batsman and not keeping tho
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In reply to Post #390
Foakes is in for the 2nd test onwards and Bairstow is being rested.
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In reply to Post #389
I guess bairstow will be at three in India. Buttlers keeping has been tidy but he's only gonna play the 1st test apparently.
I'd hope to see stokes and moeen in India, and find room for foakes as his keeping could make the difference against better opposition
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Well done Sibley grafted for three hours could've been given leg before a few times but he stuck to it. Buttler was sublime. Sri Lanka for me had this game in their hands but threw it away with another poor batting performance.
Well done England and Root's batting made it look easy out there.
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In reply to Post #387
Roots just gone with 80 still required Sibley battling away but looks like he could get out anytime.
Agree on Burns.
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In reply to Post #386
That knock gave them a chance but they'll have to get root out sharpish, he's in imperious form right now. It'd be nice to see him get a little 50*
Hopefully sibley can stick around for a bit, I thought burns had made a mistake missing this tour but his standing has gone up in his absence
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In reply to Post #385
Agreed woeful 9th wicket partneship gives them hope but England now chasing 164 on a 4th day wicket
as opposed 200+ on a 5th day wicket.
Crawley gone 17-1 game on.
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In reply to Post #384
One session into the day and I don't think you'll be backing SL to win!
Awful batting from them this morning
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Another cracking knock from Root ably supported by Butler and Bess.
The last three wickets must give Sri Lanka hope anything over 150 will be a struggle on the last day
as the pitch starts to break up.
Englands spin bowlers need to get some consistency in line and length to put pressure on the batsmen.
Jimmy Anderson nuff said Wood bowled his heart out as well.
Might as well open with Bairstow and Root cos Sibley and Crawley are walking wickets against the left arm spin.
Can still go anyway got to love Test cricket. If i was a betting man my money would be on Sri Lanka.
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In reply to Post #382
Apparently Ali has said he isn't fit enough also they reckon Anderson in for Broad and possibly Stone in for Wood.
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In reply to Post #381
And on to Friday at the same ground.
Can't see Sri Lanka fall over like they did in !st innings so could be a tighter game.
Having said that Moeen Ali will come in I'm sure maybe for Wood or Curran.
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In reply to Post #379
Bit of an anti-climax really
When was the last time England won the first test of a series abroad?
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In reply to Post #379
I'll be hoping for a rain delayed start
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In reply to Post #378
38 for 3 at stumps 36 more required guess i'll be setting the alarm for tomorrow.
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In reply to Post #377
Crazy passage of play
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19 for 3 now who said test cricket is dead.
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In reply to Post #375
Well played Sri Lanka to make us bat again 74 not going to be easy but should do it.
I think our spinners bowl a little bit quicker so don't get as much consistent turn as the oppo.
Oops and Sibley goes
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In reply to Post #374
Not had a chance to see the highlights yet but it sounded like a good knock, hope it continues tomorrow so England don't have to bat last
Burns will struggle to get back in let alone Lawrence!
Especially now bairstows got his foot back in the door
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Root was majestic today and Lawrence done well but he is still way down the order when everyone is available.
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In reply to Post #372
Thing is Bess didn't bowl that well Sri Lanka batted poorly.
Leach bowled superb but only took 1 but that's the way it goes.
Broad again started it all off.
Bairstow and Root batted well need a decent score as batting last on that won't be easy unless Sri Lanka capitulate again.
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Sri Lanka were awful today!
At what point does foakes tell the ecb to do one and go play some franchise cricket instead of going all round the world to sit on his ass? Or is there as a keeping coach for the other two?
Nice to see bess bowl well.
Lawrence will need some runs, that drop
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In reply to Post #370
20/20 on bbc this afternoon lads in case you didn't know
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In reply to Post #369
I really don't understand it either.
Was that a collapse or a wobble? I'm never quite sure 
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In reply to Post #368
With Curran in the side he will help Bess to the right handers
Archer why are they driving themselves and not in coach?
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In reply to Post #367
Denly misses out, Anderson and wood rested. Have to assume broad is back in but is it woakes or Curran alongside him?
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In reply to Post #366
Bess I suppose was the man in possession
I don't think we'll see Jimmy and broad in the same side often now
Totally agree re foakes and denly, i think foakes needs a game or two to get some runs though
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Well played the WIndies.
Its about time Buttler is dropped for Foakes.
Don't understand why Broad didn't play and surely with mostly right handers a left arm spinner would have
been a better bet.
Also time for Denly to depart plenty of starts then throws it away.
Roll on Thursday.
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Typical England throwing away a good position with a batting collapse, how often the top 5 are out for under 80 runs!
This lot will never win an ashes series 
That pieterson bloke should stick to pyjama cricket too clearly not a test match player
Can we get geoffreys gran in the top order with her stick of rhubarb, can't be any worse than this lot
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In reply to Post #362
Botham said on commentary 'someone said last night that Warne doesn't turn it'
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In reply to Post #361
Some ball that from warne to get rid of Strauss , unreal
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In reply to Post #360
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In reply to Post #359
You listen Iwatch on Sky
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Listening in the gorgeous weather with a hoegarden (my drink of choice in 05)
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In reply to Post #357
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Day 2 just started
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In reply to Post #355
Found it after work yesterday. Brilliant series , then after that was the 81 ashes , or bothams as it is known , brilliant stuff
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I've been enjoying the tms replays, I didn't find out till late today they are replaying the edgebaston 05 test, bit gutted I missed most of day one but I'll most likely have it on for the next few days
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In reply to Post #353
Good point Tom, when I've caught highlights of the aus-nz series it looks sparse, huge empty stands with the odd cluster of people. There aren't many sixes into the upper tiers to see if they're populated.
I didn't catch the boxing day test, Google informs me the gate for day one was a meagre 81000
And the 1st test where it looked like a 4 men and.a dog county crowd would have looked respectable at the oval
aus attendance
So yes that was a bad example, but looking at other nations the test attendances are getting worse.
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In reply to Post #351
In fairness to the Aus games, their average gate is probably higher than that in England but they play in enormous stadia so it looks empty. The MCG holds over 90,000 people.
The tv cameras are crafty for the big bash games though, the grounds are not as full as they first seem on tele.
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Anderson out of SA tour.
What a shame after his 1st innings in Cape Town
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In reply to Post #349
hats off to them fans was like a home game
That's kind of the problem, attendances at test matches without English fans are terrible, that's where the 4 day nonsense comes from. Watch any highlights from the aus new zealand series, looks like a English County game when you see the empty stands. Then look at the crowds in the big bash games!
I can see jennings doing well in SL, I'd like to see Crawley get another game at least, but I feel its two years too soon for him.
I'd also expect foakes and virdi to travel to SL so surrey will have a tricky early season
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Buttler with the Rory Kleinveldt dig to Philander, hilarious 😂
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In reply to Post #347
Only Ben could do that , got in from work and caught the last hour , what a performance, hats off to them fans was like a home game
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In reply to Post #347
Had a £10 on that SA wouldn’t get to 250 runs. They got 248 and didn’t run at least 10 in last hour that they could or should of. Also liked butler telling that lad what he thought of him. And tv apologise for bad language
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Four day Tests...After today at Cape Town...?
NEVER!
Well done England and Ben Stokes and Dom Sibley...and the rest of the team who were fantastic with the bat and the ball and in the field.. Sad that Jimmy has broken down again but hopefully Jof will be back.
COYE!
(Not good news for Rory Burns.  )
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Bloody football! 
Stick to cricket, guys, or maybe get Peleton!
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With burns ruled out of the tour will Crawley come in or will denly and root move up? Either way I expect bairstow to get another go 
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In reply to Post #343
Haha... of all the things to complain about!
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Will archer ever score any runs
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In reply to Post #340
We've got a chance mate , shame stokes got out , but root looks on form
Would you ****ing believe it
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I fancy England from here, Sam Curran to finish it off making sure he upstages his brothers heroics yesterday
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In reply to Post #338
Readers' picks.
The majority agreed with me about Bairstow over Prios, but I didn't think Chris Woakes would make the final eleven. Overall, though, tt's a pretty good team IMHO.
Looks as if the first test v S. Africa is headed for an England defeat. Can't see us batting out a draw on that wicket. Can have helped with most of the squad having the sh!ts!
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In reply to Post #337
Matt Prior over Bairstow for me.
Hmm.. Debateable. I think Bairstow is the better keeper/batsman but it's a hard choice.
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In reply to Post #336
Matt Prior over Bairstow for me.
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My team of the decade...anyone agree?
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In reply to Post #334
Sad news 
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Shocked at the news that Bob Willis has passed away.
Remember watching that memorable game in 1981 when he took 8-43 after Botham had set it up.
So sad
RIP Bob
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Apparently this is the 1st time since 99 England have gone a calender year without a series win 
root hit a double ton but this match will be remembered for denlys unbelievable drop
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In reply to Post #331
I hope he gets it, the only worry for me would be his relationship with harmer. Harmer is an excellent player who should be playing test cricket, but not in an England shirt.
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Silverwood favourite according to BBC website.
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In reply to Post #329
I'll probably go to a game at the oval but tbh, I just don't get the need for it other than financially. Yeah I might decide to go there for an evening match after work, but I'm just as likely to drop in for the last session of a County champ match in summer. I don't even know what the county's will get out of it, with the team at the oval representing Surrey and Kent, how much are Kent going to benefit?
I'd only see a benefit for test cricket if they use a ball that moves, have a slog fest while the balls swinging round corners!
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In reply to Post #328
How is the Hundred plus T20 going to improve our test team?
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Looks like kirsten has got the job, I suppose they'll find another aussie or saffa to take his spot in the hundred
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In reply to Post #326
It's a strange one dropping bairstow days after giving him a central contract, even stranger to not take another keeper, hopefully that gives foakes a bit of a nudge, he's had a poor year with the bat. Pope can keep but not at that level from what I've seen. Crawley looks decent but hasn't really pulled up any trees, I guess the coaches wanted a closer look at him and the lancs pair.
For all the talk of an experimental team it looks pretty familiar
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In reply to Post #325
Exactly and its raining.
Interesting selections but what happens if they have a blinding two test series against NZ do they
stay in for SA?
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In reply to Post #324
The squad for new Zealand is announced today, it'll be interesting to see if the likes of Gregory, hain and northeast get a look in, I think sibley and pope are nailed on anyway.
Surely silverwood is the outstanding choice for the new coach, or will he be overlooked for being english
It's a shame this last round of matches doest finish on Sunday, especially with a title decider, how can you convince the young prospects that red ball cricket is the epitome when they're playing in front of 4 men and a dog compared to full houses for the t20 games?
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In reply to Post #323
Agree he looked a natural for Test cricket and still young enough.
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In reply to Post #322
Indeed, it makes it difficult to pick someone in a rich vein of form. I keep hearing on tms, talks port and sky about how weak the batting is in the championship and I disagree. The batsmen who can average 50 plus over a season, on bowler friendly pitches, in bowler friendly conditions should be looked at, and should be putting pressure on those in the England squad.
Instead we'll probably have another look at ballance or vince.
The aussie had too many batsmen not scoring so pulled the bloke who was scoring a ton of runs in the championship into the team
I'll be interested to see where hameed ends up, I still don't get what happened to him.
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In reply to Post #321
Trouble is that County Championship is played at start and end of season when conditions are best for bowlers and the best part of summer is used for pyjama cricket so no one else gets a chance to score a hatful of runs and stake a claim.
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In reply to Post #320
Smith looked really unsettled against Curran, I'd guess a bit of mental fatigue set in and woakes reaped the reward.
Hopefully sibley, pope and northeast get a chance on the nz tour, its time for Johnny to take a break too, either give buttler the gloves or get foakes back.
I'd love to see burns or stokes go big tomorrow, just to get closer to smiths total
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In reply to Post #319
Good performance today by the lads , Joffre with a six for , getting smith out for 80 bat long and hard tomorrow should get a result .
Come on England
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In reply to Post #318
Roy and ballance in for away tours only
There certainly seems to be a lack of flexibility when it comes to the batting in different conditions, a lot is made of our middle order and tail, but their batting averages tell a different story. Bairstow and buttler are excellent players on their day, but they seem to have real hot streaks between long ruts. It's a real shame foakes hasn't found form this year, but would he have scored less than the other two keepers? There have been a few keeper errors in this series I wouldn't expect from him, and some of stumping he's made this season for surrey have been ridiculous! He's also the only England batsman besides root with an average over 40.
Hopefully after I've said that bairstow makes 5 catches and 3 stumpings this morning and a 200 partnership with buttler tomorrow
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In reply to Post #317
Agree with you regards Roy funny thing is though he would probably be ok in Oz conditions with a Kookaburra but
with a Dukes in our conditions he will struggle. Even at 4 he will then have to cope with Lyon. Would love to see him get a score though.
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Them Curran boys must make a banging cup of tea
Interesting call bringing Overton in for woakes. It weakens the batting and I'm not sure old Trafford is the pitch where his extra height would make the difference. I would have thought s Curran or Gregory would be the more likely replacements.
Hopefully the denly Roy switch works, I just can't see it somehow
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In reply to Post #310
Absolutely Mr T, this was the greatest ever match winning innings from Ben Stokes, a nail biting end to a fabulous days cricket. Arise Sir Ben Stokes ! a man who was forced to play one day shots in a test match to put the Aussies in trouble, much respect. 
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That’s what you call a cricket match.
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In reply to Post #310
Batted his bollox out today , what a player
Won us the World Cup
Could he "...................................
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Was never in any doubt was it?
Amazing knock by stokes and the greatest 1 no. you’ll ever see!
Leach to open and stokes for PM
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In reply to Post #310
Game on
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What a day!!!
Arise Sir Ben
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In reply to Post #306
Was only a slim chance
Come on England
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Can write off the draw, that’ll never happen.
Winner wins the ashes.
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In reply to Post #306
Just carry on batting like this as there are two days left no need to take chances.
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Are we going to see a miracle? Just stay in till close tonight then go for the runs tomorrow. A draw is no good, we still won't regain the Ashes. It's a win or nothing. I've got my fingers, legs and arms crossed. It's bloody difficult eating this way but if it means a win I'll take a little bit of soup down my shirt!
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Another cracking knock from Lambuschagne watch and learn England batters.
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Bit of a disappointing day , but there's still a slim chance , couldn't have asked anymore from stokes , bowled his heart out in the afternoon session , what a player !
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I'm there tomorrow, glad I didn't get tickets for Sunday.
Still be a good drinking sessions England 66 tops
Look out for me projectile vomiting at about 3pm
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Jesus wept! Lowest England score since 1948.
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Where is the application ffs
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In reply to Post #298
Can we send Roy denly and bairstow for a night out with Warner? Sibley pope and foakes as concussion subs would be handy
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Useless bunch of tossers.
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I thought we'd blown it when Warner and Labuschagne were making hay but Archer was brilliant. Now all we have to do is bat for two days to give the lad some rest!
Sad to say, I think when Smith returns he and Labuschagne will be a devastating pairing. I don't know who would make was for Marnus but it is likely to be Head or Wade, or Lyon if they don't fancy a spinner.at Old Trafford.
TBH I cannot see us regaining the Ashes in this series.
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In reply to Post #294
We should call him and his stick back up as an all rounder
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In reply to Post #294
Doh 
I thought it was a ploy to keep root at the top of the county averages, Surrey declaring with pope 5 runs away then sending him oop North in case they had a late chase on
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In reply to Post #293
Roy got tinned by Trescothick in the nets with the dog stick. Should be fine apparently.
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In reply to Post #291
The situation was similar to the spot fixing scandal to me, the young, inexperienced, impressionable party getting a second chance I can accept, agree or no.
The senior figures in the team who coerced others to cheat should be banished, as a warning to others.
Salman butt must be aggrieved that Smith was welcomed back so quickly.
This series came too soon for some bright talents, next summer will see dom sibley opening with burns, ollie pope at 4 and a refreshed root at three enjoying life under captain stokes. I think if sibley had got a score for Warwickshire this week he would have been in tomorrow's line up with Roy at 4 and denly missing out. surrey put Curran at three hoping he'd get a score and force his way in but it didn't happen unfortunately
On bairstow, I find him so frustrating, so often getting out for single digits, punctuated by match winning innings of great quality. Ben foakes must be pretty down about being dropped, having a higher batting average over the past year as well as being the best keeper we have by far.
Edited 13:10
Just seen ollie pope has been drafted as cover for Roy on the back of his 220*, does that mean Roy has picked up a knock?
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I agree with Topgun. Smith, Warner and Bancroft should not be allowed to play representative cricket ever again.
The Ashes is now a different ball game. Who on earth wants to face Archer if he can destroy Smith who was on 80 n.o. and had been at the crease for four hours? Archer scares the **** out of them...not a big surprise! I can see us winning the next three tests and regaining the Ashes.
I still think Root should revert to number four and maybe shift Stokes to number three. Curran should play as a forth seamer. Bairstow has earned a reprieve, as has Butler but I think Roy's confidence is shot. If only we could find another decent opener then there would be a space for Roy at 5 or 6.
The only problem I can see is Root succumbing to the temptation to over-bowl Archer.
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The Fact is !!! 3 of the Australian team should never have been allowed to play first class cricket again. They were cheats and disgraced the game. Australia over the years have had some great cricketers in there ranks, the likes of Ricky Ponting who was one of the best captains and batsmen in world cricket for a number of years, plus numerous others who represented Australia ! I wonder how a top Australian like Ponting views this. Lets hope Archer rattles them in the remaining tests in the series, but we also need to learn how to play the 5 day game as its a different mind set for the batsman. As Boycott once said, in test cricket you win the toss and bat for 4 days, you don't get beat playing like that. His meaning was to bat for as long as possible so you have a chance of bowling out the opposition twice on a wearing wicket. lets hope the final Tests are played in good spirit with Cricket being the winner at the end ! (England hopefully with any luck).
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Well Jofra was a bit tasty in this game... one day the Aussies will have to face him at the waca, I’ve been there and the nut doesn’t half shift, albeit a ropey kookaburra not the duke 
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In reply to Post #286
he Ashes: I think we might become a victim of our own hype. Feet on the ground, guys. This is the Aussies after all!
World Cup: This could be our year. OK, a bit of a set back v the Aussies but look at how we hammered the Afghans!
Think I may have the extraordinary power of seeing the future. Off to buy my lottery ticket for tonight.
England will not win at Lords. In fact I fear they will get hammered again unless big changes are made. Archer MUST play. Bairstow should be dropped and Buttler to go behind the stumps. Denly should be sent back to the wilds of Kent, while Root should bat at 4. Moeen is a sad reflection of what he once was so maybe Jack Leach or Adil Rashid in as the spinner. Sam Curran to be recalled for his left arm pace (and his batting ain't bad either). The Jason Roy experiment has failed...Bring back Sir Alistair!
We also need to nobble Lyons, Siddle and Starc and steal Smith's kit bag!
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In reply to Post #286
Think channel 4 are showing the final Sunday , had a day off today and watched every ball , what a performance from the openers , kin brilliant
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In reply to Post #285
The Ashes: I think we might become a victim of our own hype. Feet on the ground, guys. This is the Aussies after all!
World Cup: This could be our year. OK, a bit of a set back v the Aussies but look at how we hammered the Afghans!
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In reply to Post #284
Looking forward to today , reckon the cheats will get some earhole .
COME ON ENGLAND
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Dead rubber but a good result ahead of the Ashes to get us into the right frame of mind. Root is class.
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Woods been on fire today 90 mph plus , wow , good day for the England
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In reply to Post #281
It was a good knock, but with a lot of luck. I was watching England consistently beating the bat, but not getting the edges.
I thought England did really well to adapt to Sri Lankan conditions, which England teams haven't done in the past, but a lot of the techniques they clearly worked hard on for that tour have been their undoing here.
The batting talent pool isnt strong enough currently, look at ollie pope, only a kid and played a handful of games, but gets pulled straight into the England setup and discarded just as quickly. Denly has a decent season at 3 for Kent, not outstanding by any stretch and is identified as the best available opener, meanwhile Jason Roy, a lower order batsman for Surrey scored some decent runs at no3 for the lions. I'll be watching the start of the County season closely, if someone like dom sibley starts well he could be thrown in
The bowling talent pool is a lot healthier, but since 80 for 4 is such a common sight in an England innings no's 789 have to get runs, so some very good bowlers won't get a chance while selection is so muddled.
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In reply to Post #280
They should sit down and watch Darren Bravo's innings. Grafted for almost six hours for 50 and got hit numerous times
reminded me of Brian Close.
The other big problem is the ECB have ruined the County Championship by playing it at the start and end of season
to accommodate pyjama cricket.
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I think if Broad and Anderson had got first shot on that wicket things might have been different...That said, the state of the wickets in the WI should never come as a shock to a touring team!
Luckily I don't support those robbing barstewards at Sky so I listen on the steam wireless. Mind you, that doesn't make the torture any easier to bear.
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In reply to Post #278
I don't like rugby so have had to watch this shambles
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At least the rugby was good to watch
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In reply to Post #275
We never had much luck today but that’s cricket. I had a bet we would bowl them out today. Lost. And broad and Anderson would take 2 wickets each. Lost. Anderson was in a right mood.
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In reply to Post #275
Great rant...Fully supported in my house!
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This England side are a colossal joke. Denly's out in the 1st innings was the worst stroke i think i have ever witnessed in test match history.
England seem more interested in scoring 50 in 10 balls than they are in surviving the first 10 overs of the new ball, then taking it too the bowlers. There is clearly a lack of authority in the team, and to me they need the Sir Alex Ferguson hairdryer treatment. **** the nicely nicely approach, just go in screaming and shouting.
The wicket was bad, but no where near as bad as it was made out imo. England incompetence is more to blame, at this rate we're set to lose the series 3-0, be the laughing stock of test cricket and quite frankly should give Australia the Ashes right now to save the embarrassment of bothering to play them.
DISGUSTING 
rant over.
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In reply to Post #272
So denly is in for jennings, and I'd imagine Broad will be in over leach
Looking for a big performance in this match, and hopefully denly can score some runs in the next two tests to cement his place for the ashes, we really don't need any uncertainty over the openers
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Well that was a severe drubbing by a team I think we were expected to beat. Unless we get the 1,2 3 in the batting order sorted out before the Ashes starts, we shall be in trouble. Two test to go out in the Windies to start that process. Frankly I'd be calling up Rob Key and begging Tressie to return to the fold!
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In reply to Post #271
Roy for me.
Hales only signed up for white ball cricket.
Can't believe the Windies not attacking in the field.
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In reply to Post #269
Is denly next in line for the opening spot?
There's always room for another all-rounder
I can't see jennings opening against aus.
I wouldn't mind seeing Roy or hayles given a go, at least if they only last three overs there will be 30 runs on the board
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In reply to Post #269
I think on some English wickets he could take the new ball, but not on this type that need a bit more pace. I wouldn't drop broad in English conditions though. Woakes would have been a better choice than rashid here.
After years of crying out for a decent all-rounder it's baffling to see only one specialist bowler
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In reply to Post #268
They read the pitch wrong thinking it will be a spinners wicket. Agree with Curran but he's not a new ball bowler
and they won't drop Anderson so it was Broad that got the boot on a pitch that would have been perfect for him.
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In reply to Post #267
I can't understand why Broad was left out, granted currans stature has risen to the point he shouldn't be dropped, but why two spinners on that pitch?
I can only think he's having problems with the changes he's had to make to his action.
This series is gonna test stokes' fitness, given his history I can't see him getting through bowling 40 overs a match, and with the world Cup round the corner I hope someone else can step up to reduce his workload.
I'm quite liking the talksport commentary too, especially now I don't have to hear boycotts doom and gloom
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In reply to Post #264
Whilst not taking anything away from the Windies bowlers surely we can't bat as bad as we did in the 1st innings.
They certainly read the pitch wrong when picking the team.
Problem is they can't trust the batting so bowlers like Leach don't get a look in cos he can't bat like Ali or Rashid.
Still be a good one to win.
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In reply to Post #265
That pitch did nothing yesterday, the lower order should provide some entertainment....
Hopefully not before the evening session though
There are more recent threads than this one Ken, the cricket threads only seem to get posted in after the bad days though.
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In reply to Post #264
Big run chase on today mate
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Two years since the last post in the thread. I guess cricket isn't that popular with the carp fishing masses.
Anyway, though not the Ashes (ATM) it's good to see that we have started an Ashes year with some resounding batting and bowling at The Kingston Oval..NOT!.
Please tell me we are no going back to the dark ages again. I thought English test cricket was going so well, too!
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Finally a win! What a great series even though we lost 1-2 but it was too a hugely talented Indian batting side. Those last two overs had me on the edge of my seat, that's for sure. Well done England today.
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In reply to Post #246
Nothing to say about the India tour, I just had to add jake ball and hardik pandya to the members 11
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What happened today? I think there was a highlights show on tms this morning, every ball was hitting the boundary.
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Did they dig the pitch up overnight?
Great final day, blaming bells drops more than the umpires for the lack of a result. The time wasting left a bad taste though
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In reply to Post #255
Still can't understand why Taylor isn't playing instead of butler
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In reply to Post #257
It's an awful test wicket
The run rate should be higher tomorrow with the more positive batsman to come.
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To call it 'slow' is putting it mildly. It would take England another 133 overs to reach Pakistan's score if they keep going at the current rate. That would take us until the end of tomorrow. 
Still, another ton for AC and so far Bell is still in. The wicket is like concrete apparently.
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In reply to Post #255
Had it on the radio at work , glad I'm not watching . Not much interest out there either is there
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Not a good couple of days!
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In reply to Post #252
There two down now , so not all bad
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In reply to Post #251
Keep it zipped, Ralphie!
138 all out
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In reply to Post #250
Here's hoping for a win today and a whitewash against the Aussies in all
Formats of the game
Edit , three down , me and my big mouth
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In reply to Post #249
I was at that game England v West Indies The Oval 1991
All the crowd that had radios were in stitches and the rest didn't have a clue what was happening.
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This is a Classic!
I cannot watch cricket on Sky as the commentators annoy me so much, so I turn the sound off and listen to Test Match Special on the radio. Plenty of real hilarity going on and worth it if only for Boycs being his usual bumptious and outspoken self! And Henry Blofeld is a one-off.
Only trouble is they have added Swan to the team. What a disgrace to English cricket that man is. Couldn't hack it in Aus during the last tour (when we were whitewashed) so said "bugger it , I'm off". What a hero...NOT!
Think the one dayers are nicely matched.
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In reply to Post #247
During one of the tests I'm sure the commentator naming our bowling attack said Anderson strokes broad wood
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In reply to Post #246
Reminds me of the famous " The batsman HOLDING, the bowlers WILLEY....
Allegedly said by Brian Johnston
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Childish I know, but having seen wood Willey and johnson in this series I'm trying to make up a 'members' 11
Only got de kock to add so far, any others I'm missing
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In reply to Post #244
You won't see stokes opening, you can't expect him to bowl a long spell, potentially taking the final wicket, then leg it off and be ready to bat in a few minutes.
I wouldn't mind seeing hayles opening in uae but I think he'd struggle with the saffas. Trying moeen as an opener makes it easier to get rashid into the team so I suspect that's the route they'll take.
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In reply to Post #243
that was a good and true article ken, not sure on moeen opening, I would take the same route of Australia and give ben stokes a go at opening, perfert place to test him over the next two series, he wont feel under threat because if it don't work he can drop back down the order, this way they can drop lyth and blood someone in at no3 ready for a move up at a later date if stokes don't work out.
I doubt this will happen
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In reply to Post #242
Think we will struggle in UAE and SA
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In reply to Post #240
Imagine spending around 500 quid watching the last two days live. And having my father in law for company yesterday, who makes boycott seem like a positive, optimistic glass half full kind of character
Broads due a new high score, wonder if he can beat his 160 odd between the showers
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In reply to Post #239
I really must stop predicting a result. A draw...as if!
IMO 20/20 cricket sounded the death knell for proper cricket. I hate it with a passion.
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In reply to Post #238
I think this series is marking the end of test cricket as we know it, and I for one are very sad.
A test is a test of all parts of a sportspersons mental and physical abilities, this seem to have been lost now, when one team gets the upperhand , that's it, game over , no steel and backbone anymore. they might aswell go ahead with the idea 90 overs each per innings and be done with it
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In reply to Post #237
Has the look of a draw, doesn't it. I think Cooke/England was seduced by another green tinged wicket, but the Oval definitely is not Trent Bridge! Was feeling sorry for Jimmy A. but perhaps he is glad he is still unfit.
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After that morning I half expect to see them bat most of tomorrow then see if England collapse or stick it out for draw saturday
Ralph, the ballot opens today to get tickets for next year's oval test (final match vs pak) I usually get lucky with tickets this way, I probably won't bother for that one tho
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In reply to Post #235
They burned their bra's
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Slightly o/t but why are the womens test matches called the ashes? There is reason the ashes have that name. When did this happen in women's cricket??
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In reply to Post #233
We need an opener and a spinner for a start...and a number 3 batsman, perhaps?
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In reply to Post #231
A tweak
We need an opener and a spinner for a start
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In reply to Post #231
Number 1 spot
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Very happy for the boys. They deserved it after the sh t they been thru. Almost a proper force now, just a little tweak here and there and we can get that no spot back
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In reply to Post #229
Cor , not half .
Like gold dust now , wish I had one.
My mate reckons he can sort a couple for us but I ain't holding me breath, fingers crossed tho
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In reply to Post #227
I had spare for day 3, could've made a tidy profit till my father in law got wind
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Well done to England.
Great seeing the Ashes back!!!
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In reply to Post #226
get in there
Well done lads , couldn't be happier ,"............ Well I could be if we beat manure
Gonna be party time at the oval, anyone got any tickets ?
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You can shout now!
England have regained the Ashes! 18 months after being whitewashed down under, England have won back the urn and extracted revenge. Let the celebrations begin!
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In reply to Post #224
What a turn round from West Indies tour. Even the skipper making some good calls. Take a bow England
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In reply to Post #223
It's all over bar the shouting!
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Wrong for once ken!!!
Aussies will come out tomorrow get a couple of runs in front and then boòooòom. All over
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In reply to Post #221
136 for 4 is this the start of the collapse? Terrible cricket from the Aussies after giving themselves half a chance.
This could be all over today and I am giving predicting!
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The Aussies are going along very nicely now so the pessimist in me sees this going all the way. One things for certain...it's not going to be all over today!
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In reply to Post #219
I'm hoping for rain
I wanted the oval to be the decider, but It's good to finally break the wlwlwlwlwl sequence
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In reply to Post #218
Rooooooooooooooooot
The most naturally gifted player we have had in recent times (that's English not half English! !!)
Ashes over, bring on the footy
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In reply to Post #213
I wouldn't have predicted that
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In reply to Post #216
The Aussies have invented a new format of the game , the 20 /20 test match.
Unfortunately for them they only lasted 18 overs
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In reply to Post #214
What a morning!
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In reply to Post #213
All out for 60 .
Broady take a bow
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Good toss to win? What say you, Duggs?
EDIT: No need to answer that...Ausies 29 for 6. Bloody hell!
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I wonder which mitch will turn up at trent bridge, the lethal quick or....
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In reply to Post #210
overcsast at trent bridge and jimmy would would of had another fiver+
onions would be good choice for line and length as stokes and finn can leak a few runs, I aint fussed either way as long as lyth is dumped, shame about him cos hes a good slip fielder but bairstow can take his place there
Cmon engerland
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In reply to Post #207
Will onions get called up to replace Jimmy or is he another forgotten man in english cricket
I rather like Graham Onions. He knows his stuff (sorry!). However, If Mat Woods is fit again I hope he gets his place back. Wonderful to see Finn in form again at last. Think we'll miss JA, though.
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After seeing Johnson tortured in those final overs I'm glad we let them get that lead
Happy to proven wrong on bell and finn, not so much on Lythe, if he makes it to trend bridge it's really last chance saloon
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In reply to Post #207
Should be over by lunch, the second crushing defeat in the series for the aussies hopefully by 10 wickets
Don't be so sure...They are throwing the bat at everything and without Jimmy we don't seem to have the power in our attack. That said, I am sure Finn and Broad are good enough to polish off the tail
...And having written that Neville is out caught behind!
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In reply to Post #206
Cheer up mate
Should be over by lunch, the second crushing defeat in the series for the aussies hopefully by 10 wickets
Will onions get called up to replace Jimmy or is he another forgotten man in english cricket
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In reply to Post #205
funny ol game eh!!!
this game aint over yet, we don't wanna chase more than 100!
curtains for lythe
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In reply to Post #204
Good spot!
Bairstow can score for fun in the county game but a MJ thunderbolt scared him half to death!
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In reply to Post #203
Where did your doom and gloom prediction go
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Good start!!!
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In reply to Post #200
It's nonsense, personally I see a value in his height, imagine having him and broad batting rotating the strike, that must disrupt the bowlers length as much as a left/right combo would disrupt the line.
Having a slip cordon with bairstow and Taylor should improve the catching
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In reply to Post #200
taylor as a batsman or keeper aswell?
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In reply to Post #199
Tendulker, Boon, Kallicharan all shorter than Taylor
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In reply to Post #198
Good call, he chose a good time for a big score
It's easy to be overlooked when your that short, kp didn't help much in that respect
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In reply to Post #196
What does James Taylor have to do to get in. Skipper's A team and didn't look out of his depth against Steyn and morkel in 2012. Bell's had too many chances now and gets promoted to three crazy.
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In reply to Post #196
ken
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In reply to Post #195
Please god no
Rob key was a bit of a boycott, not many players like that these days, they all want to get after the bowlers from the off. That's the affect T20 has had
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In reply to Post #194
lythe just don't look like he fits to me, like carberry . I thought Compton weren't given enough time and he was a player with the attitude of seeing off the new ball, we don't need attacking openers with bell,root,stokes, butler and moeen in the team! even if the openers can get us past 50 form the first 20 overs, that a be a start. I hope im wrong about lythe and a smacks a double ton next bat but I cant see it
You have just made the perfect case for the recall of...
Geoff Boycott!
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In reply to Post #193
lythe just don't look like he fits to me, like carberry . I thought Compton weren't given enough time and he was a player with the attitude of seeing off the new ball, we don't need attacking openers with bell,root,stokes, butler and moeen in the team! even if the openers can get us past 50 form the first 20 overs, that a be a start. I hope im wrong about lythe and a smacks a double ton next bat but I cant see it
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In reply to Post #191
I dunno what to say to that...
I wanted bell at three when trott had a spaz and bell was our best batsman, but that was 20 innings and not many runs ago...
Ballance will come back in the future, probably at 4 or 5.
Lythe has shown enough for me to give him more time, he's had some bad luck and very good deliverys among his dismissals, he needs to make runs in this series though or he'll be another Compton carberry key.....
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In reply to Post #191
What, so madame Lythe gets another go  he just don't look like he will ever be a test cricketer. Compton done better than him and he's now on the scrapheap and will probably get overlooked. Bring back trescothick
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In reply to Post #190
Ooooooooooooo! Nasty! 
It has been confirmed that Jonny Bairstow will bat at five, with Joe Root moving up to four and Ian Bell at three.
Gary Ballance has been dropped after scoring 23 and 14 in his two innings in the second Test at Lords.
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In reply to Post #189
I saw that, looked painful
I thought cook would have shown bigger ******** at lords they must still be swollen from the first test
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I think Bell's time is up. He's had too many 2nd chances as it is. Bairstow? Possibly, but IMO just more canon fodder for the Mitches who will want to get the upper hand over the newcomer a.s.a.p. Take lots of padding, Jonny!
Edgebaston may prove a bit more challenging to the Aussies and if we can just win the toss...
BTW did anybody see that dramatic crash in the Tour yesterday? I thought Thomas was a gonner for sure. Tough cookie and no mistake. Maybe he should switch to cricket. We need tough attitudes like that to stand up to the quicks.
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In reply to Post #187
yeah sort of agree with you mate and I would a taken 1-1 aswell, im just shouting me mouth off about what I think will happen if we don't freshen up a bit, before the ashes started, I cant remember a test match we dominated in recent times, all the ones we won we could of lost. it all went wrong the day swann retired and trott lost his bottle, not because of the players they were, but the mental strength they had within the team, its like cogs have been falling away since and some results have flattered us
anyhow that's my rant overwith, I hope they have a little change and compete at Edgbaston, I be happy with competing
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In reply to Post #186
None of them coped with the situation where they had to defend.
for me the middle order are too quickly exposed every match, I'd like to see a youngish IN FORM opener/no 3 come in at 3, ballance drop to 4 and bell get kick up the backside in the county game.
I can't see finn coming in, he's another who seems mentally fragile, although it does seem strange to have just three bowlers and the two batting alrounders (three if you count root)
Just to add some perspective the way England have played this last 18 months I'm not upset at being 1-1 after two tests, in fact if you had offered me that after the west indies and world cup debacles I'd have bitten your hand off
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In reply to Post #185
Bairstow looks next in line for batting position outside the top three, another positive player to go with the new attacking ethos
yes - agreed
Unfortunately when you stack a team in any sport to go hard in attack it occasionally backfires when your unable to defend.
Not agreed, we didn't even get bowled out playing attacking cricket, we didn't get the chance(apart from stokes but he knows no other way), we looked scared, that's whats worrying, maybe its right not bringing back KP but they need to decide what they want from this ashes-
Win at all costs- then bring KP back, get finn in aswell and give them some bounce, or
plan for the future- chuck a couple of no fear youngsters in and get them used to test cricket early, if nothing changes the next test is lost, the media will be having it off and the ashes will be gone
agree about the matey matey situation and we need selectors like -
Darren gough, , dominic cork, beefy and vaughny, people that recognise desire to win.
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In reply to Post #184
I think that's the first time "kp" and "sensible" have been used in the same sentence. Kudos for that
But replacing one old boy trading on past reputation for another doesn't seem too sensible to me.
Bairstow looks next in line for batting position outside the top three, another positive player to go with the new attacking ethos
Unfortunately when you stack a team in any sport to go hard in attack it occasionally backfires when your unable to defend.
Apart from possibly replacing bell or ballance I don't want to see any knee jerk reactions to one bad defeat
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In reply to Post #180
Though I forecast an Aussie win by an innings, to be frank I think the defeat by over 400 runs is worse than an innings defeat. I am still in shock and totally agree with previous comments about the touchy-feely relationship between Strauss and Cook.
Anyone think KP will be recalled? (No, of course not! That would be far to sensible.)
So, same ****, different day...situation normal F.U.B.A.R.
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In reply to Post #181
Well said, sums it up perfectly really. Did love the people on social media saying the wicket was to blame. LMAO! Do they think Australia batted on a different wicket that was changed during the breaks?
England cricket wont get anywhere until there are wholesale changes in the way selection works. "I'm in the team cause i'm BFFs with the captain", needs to go and be replaced with earning a place.
Last moan: How on EARTH can you have a successful organisation where the man in charge is BFFs with the captain? Essentially negating the coach completely? Disgraceful, the England Old boys network needs to go, EARN YOUR PLACE. Might start being consistent then imo.
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In reply to Post #181
Playing at balls not hitting stumps when your trying to save a test. Disgraceful.
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In reply to Post #180
joke
embarrassment
lythe and butler couldn't defend one stump, bell and balance all over the place and we aint got a bowler with raw pace, the aussises must a been at half pace in Cardiff
we are doomed, this test reminded me of watching English cricket in the 80s, I feel sorry for root and stokes
KP recall
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In reply to Post #179
I can see them getting 600+ and then beating us by an innings before the rain disrupts the game.
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In reply to Post #178
ken, you should be a professional gambler, you got it bang on
this is englands big test now ...to see if they have the resolve they had when we won the ashes in Australia a few years back
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In reply to Post #177
that lords test could be won on the first morning...by whoever wins the toss, and this morning it's the Aussies. Looks like a slow wicket so I expect high scores, could be 350+ by close. The Aussies will look to attack from the start, especially as it is at Lords.
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In reply to Post #176
that lords test could be won on the first morning
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One down. Four to go...but I have a feeling Lords won't be quite so easy and if Starc is out, then Siddle would be a perfect replacement as he is much in the same mould as Anderson or McGrath. Wicket to wicket, line and length and hard to play. Perfect for the Lords wicket. Cannot wait!
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In reply to Post #174
Yes well done England. Broad is so much better when he is pitching the ball up and not dropping it too short. Also Cook had a good game as Captain even though the big decision of declaration was not needed.
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Ye well done to England!!
Exciting start to the ashes.
Cannot wait for the next one.
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In reply to Post #172
rooooooot
hope the rest of the groundsmen have done as they been told
barmy army
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In reply to Post #171
1-0 to the Poms.
What a fantastic game of cricket....
Weather permitting I fancy a whitewash
Roooooot
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Just bowl them out today...Rain coming Sunday so please don't let them draw by default. Our bowlers look revitalised and Wood is pretty special. Come on England...(and I never expected to be writing in such a positive vein just a few weeks back then they came home from the WI with the team in tatters).
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In reply to Post #169
looking good and there a bowler crocked
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Ian Bell just goes to show form is temporary,class is permanent.Oh and Kevin who?
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Ye going well!!
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In reply to Post #166
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What a fantastic morning for England. The captain has played a blinder and the whole team is brimming with positivity. Huge turn around from that dismal winter series. Come on England
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In reply to Post #164
Bowl him a piano, see if he can ****ing play that
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In reply to Post #163
they are gonna sledge us to the ground
chin up boys
stiff upper lip
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In reply to Post #162
Cook made me laugh today saying that he hoped this series could be played in the same manner
As the last one against New Zealand .
Wake up dopey and smell the coffee , this is the ashes .
I can't wait
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In reply to Post #161
very interesting the way they have arranged the test venues this year, if all goes to the plan I think England have set it will all be all be on the 4th at trent bridge
1st test can be sort of sacrificed as a learning curve and look to hit them at lords and Edgbaston to put the pressure on the flaming galas
they cant be relying on winning the ashes at the oval being level at 1-1 or 2-2 they need to make sure the aussies need to win the last test to stand a chance
I just hope the press cut us some slack if we do go down in the 1st test, as in 2005 I think they needed that first loss to evaluate where they were at
cant wait , I get back from bounty lakes on the 20th august , just in time for the oval
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In reply to Post #160
Nice place to be Noj, nearly went myself but couldn't get out of work 
days 2 and 3 at the oval will have to make up for it hopefully England have a chance to win it by the final test
Not predicting an England win just yet, but I'm no longer expecting a 0-5 drubbing
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Yep, great game!
Even better when you are sipping a cold beer or 6 at the home of cricket on the final day
I'm not getting ahead of myself and predicting anything life changing happening against Australia
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What a match! My faith is restored...We might just win this coning series againts the old emeny.
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In reply to Post #157
What a game that was , my arse hasn't left this chair much over the last two days
Well done our younguns
Well done England
And we'll done New Zealand .
Shame it's only a 2 test series
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Win or lose today, I feel England have turned a corner
great match
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In reply to Post #155
Joe, you let me down. I was heading for cricket sage of the forum...
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In reply to Post #152
Ahh but the brat would bat at 4 5 or 6, not where England are struggling
Great to see some aggressive batting after the obligatory 1st test 1st innings collapse
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This is crunch time for more than one England player, not least the captain...and he's out cheaply already, as is Bell. Root will score a ton on this wicket and Stokes is a good battler. Stokes in ahead of Moeen...here's why:
...batting change wasn't a deliberate move by England - Moeen Ali was batting in the nets and couldn't get his kit on in time to make it out there. Shambles doesn't do it justice - if this series is Paul Farbrace's audition for the permanent job of England coach, that's the equivalent of fluffing your first line and then tripping over part of the set.
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As an England fan i have one thing to say:
COME ON NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIA!!!!
7-0 thrashing with no lubricant is the ONLY way to get rid of cRaptain Cook.
What England desperately need now is a world class batsman capable of scoring over 300 runs* shame there wasn't one available for selection before this test
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A summer of cricket starts today at lords .
If our top four don't get a hundred between them , we know who we're gonna be talking about for
The next week or so .
I'm off now till Tuesday and I can't wait .
Come on England,
Oops , one down already
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In reply to Post #150
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Nice to see trott is firing on all cylinders again
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In reply to Post #146
See they replaced Cook with Eoin Morgan for the ODI side. Move in the right direction.
Bet you wish you'd never posted that, eh?
See Downton has been sacked. There's hope for KP yet!...In fact, if they'll give Trott a place on a tour, then anything's possible!
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In reply to Post #147
Another player out of form as well ........ But who else is there.
Don't know if we should be changing captains this close to a World Cup .
We will see
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And already people are giving him criticism, saying his record is worse than cooks and how have they come to that decision? but in my eyes he's a more rounded one day player who can and will win games
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See they replaced Cook with Eoin Morgan for the ODI side.
Move in the right direction.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/30555167
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In reply to Post #143
Any chance he had of playing for England again disappeared when his book came out
I think KP knew that and didn't give a ****. If the poor pampered useless darlings cannot face the truth, they should never have read it!
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Cook should of gone after the last Ashes.
England will pay the price with the World Cup and the Ashes after it.
This is like flogging a dead horse.
Paul Downton will be needing to pack his bags as well next year.
But going on what has been going on since the Ashes, they will most probably just talk about 'what positives needs to be taken from the losses' ect.
Bit of a joke really.
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In reply to Post #142
One decent knock in a year is not good enough to get any player selected, compare kp's form to that of Jason Roy and you see there's no pressure on the selectors to bring him back.
Any chance he had of playing for England again disappeared when his book came out
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In reply to Post #141
UPDATE: Lovely touch of irony from Gary Lineker ion Twitter. He tweeted: "I see @KP24 has been bashing it around. If England weren't in such fine form they could probably have used someone like him."
Fine form...Love it!
FYI: Pietersen scored 66 off 46 balls for the Melbourne Stars in his first innings in this year's Big Bash in Australia.
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Bump...So 4 months after my meal of humble pie, can I stick my head above the parapet and say, "FFS, get rid of Cook!"? How many chances does one man need. He's a busted flush, a useless captain and we might as well try Root who will give 100% for England.
The only person I know who has had more chances at reviving his professional career is Ravel Morrison, and it looks as if finally even he has run out of mugs to give him a job.
COOK OUT!
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In reply to Post #123
Kinda embarrassed by this post. I suppose I could always go back and edit it but they sure have left me with egg on my face.
Hindsight...It's a wonderful gift if you have got it!
Well done, England, for tuning it around so dramatically.
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In reply to Post #138
It's a funny old game...
Never underestimate the importance of momentum in sport, thank god england have finally got some back
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About time! I was thinking of selling my tickets for the oval test but not now they've woke up.
I'm just hoping cook can keep scoring runs and hopefully some clear thinking can return to his captaincy.
I suspect Robson may be out if he doesn't find some runs soon, root or ballance to open with cook and Jason Roy to bat at 5
Roy, butler and stokes as the lower order will cause havoc!
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Well done England Enjoy!!!
And Cook I hope this continues!!
Really entertaining these last few days!!
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In reply to Post #135
Mighty Mo made short work of that
He'll need to up his game a bit before throwing some balls at the likes of Clarke and co.
We came up against a pretty average india in this game
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In reply to Post #134
UPDATE: Told ya! Is this a seminal moment or are England still only half way round the corner?
Well done, England, and Moeen, despite that beard!
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In reply to Post #133
Not long now! Should be over before lunch...This is a different England we are seeing. Complete turn around in attitude and application.
BUT...One win (or even a series win) against a fledgling Indian team must not make them over confident. The elephant in the room (Aussies in 2015) cannot be ignored.
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In reply to Post #132
good day for england today.
a win on the cards for us tommorow
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In reply to Post #131
MUCH better!
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That's better, Alistair! Shame you didn't make your ton but it's a start!
Looks like a doddle of a wicket, though!
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In reply to Post #129
was it the same site you were from ?
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In reply to Post #128
And he comes from essex
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In reply to Post #127
cook is an excellent cricketer , he just can't handle the pressure of being a captain .
dont forget were talking about a player with 26 or 27 test centurys at his age which
is some going .
remember when tendulkar was appointed captain back in the mid 1990's i i think , his game fell apart and there was all the talk about sacking him, he done the decent thing and stepped down so he could
just concentrate on his own game , especially his batting............ and the the rest as they say is history
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In reply to Post #126
could bring back rob key
Could do a lot worse IMO. Now back as Kent captain and a reliable if unspectacular opener or number 4. A captain in the Andrew Strauss mold and now coming up for 18,000 1st class runs.
Actually, why not bring back Micheal Vaughan or even Mike Brearley, even if he is even older than I am. Either of them could still perform better than Cook...Come to think of it, I could do a better job than Cook.
Good to see Jordan and Woakes in the squad, with Buttler in for Prior, but the old guard still remains resolutely in place. However, Southampton must surely be the Last Chance Saloon for them?
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In reply to Post #123
root will be a future captain , but i think its a bit to early for him yet.
this england team is so out of form there isn't anyone thats captain material
left in it , so where do we go if cook does go ?
could bring back rob key
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I think if they really are serious about re building the team.
Cook needs to go.
The next few tests will just confirm this with more losses!
He needs to go!!
I cannot see a England side under him beating the Ausies next year.
And a few of the old players should follow.
If you want to build a new team best do it properly.
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In reply to Post #123
We're bloody terrible!
I said from the start of the ashes down under (which I was unfortunately there for ) they'd thrash us 5-0..
We are in no way intimidating in the field or at crease (perhaps with the exception of root), look at how India and Australia had us surrounded for the off, chirping away and bowling a sensible balance of short and good length.
Stokes and Cook to go for me. What's happened to Jordan? He had a bit of spunk about him with the bat and ball, he genuinely wanted to win games and didn't punch any lockers in frustration.
Buttler has been named in place of prior and I look forward to seeing him swing the bat a bit.
I'd like to see KP back in the team and Cook **** off back to his in laws farm.
The selectors need sorting out too, Stokes' recent form suggests he's not the same player that scored a century at the waca, in taming his attitude they've taken the edge away that made him the player he was.
Anderson....... Well he should've just decked jadeja and earned a well earned rest from test cricket
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A few months on and STILL not won a test since last summer v the Aussies. Anybody like to express an opinion about this current England side?
So KP was the disruptive influence in the dressing room during the winter, yes? So they get rid of him, appoint Peter Moore (who incidentally was handed a poisoned chalice by Flower) and is the dressing room all sweetness and light now? Is it ****! Yesterdays display against Ishant was just a foretaste of what is to come when the Aussies and MJ visit in 2015, and will the same 'old guard' of Cook, Bell, Anderson and Broad be able to fare any better than they did down under? Not if this current fiasco is anything to go by.
So...
1. Cook and Anderson out. They are too close off the pitch, which is not good when they are out in the middle. The clique of Cook, Swan, Prior and Anderson was behind the dismissal of KP, I am sure of that.
2. Moores out. What has he ever done at this level? Wasn't all that wonderful at Lancashire.
3. Bring Back KP.
4. Pinch Duncan Fletcher back off the Indians. He can't be as a bad a coach as they all said: Look what he has done for India!
5. Jos Butler in for Prior who has already said he is packing it in for the moment.
6. Find a decent spinner and get rid of the beard, Ali. Looks ridiculous!
7. Keep the 'new intake' They have been (mostly) performing well but we need at least one more quick, nasty, intimidating bowler to partner Plunkett (and get him a decent bowling coach! That final delivery stride looks so wrong).
8. Appoint a non-public schoolboy captain...anybody but Cook. Maybe Root could do the job?
9. Get rid of the current board of selectors and give people like Botham a place on it along with other 'rebels' from the recent past.
10. Finally get the team a good sports psychiatrist.
Anything else I have missed!
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In reply to Post #121
Gooch gone as well now...
Think is, just watch all those limp failures from the winter series suddenly transform themselves into heroes this moth against Sri Lanka.
Like to see Robson open with Cooke, Root at 3 and Bell at 4. Rest of the line up is going to be a bit hit and miss I think.
Bowlers? Can Finn come back? Is Bresnan as good as everyone seems to think he is. Tredwell wasn't even given a chance down under and no decent spinner in sight at the moment.
Yes, the team will win matches this year but with Australia now in the Number 1 spot in the rankings, 2015 will be very interesting!
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In reply to Post #120
I love watching kp on form destroying bowlers, but he hasn't done that for England for a long time.
Hopefully I'll see him at his best at the oval this year, I'm not a great fan of t20 but a Friday night at the oval is good fun.
On moores, he's done pretty well at county level, and let's face it, England can't get much worse than they've been this past 8 months
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In reply to Post #119
Moores Total looser. Still, anything's better than the Wheelie Bin
Also PM's appointment rules out once and for all any return for the genius that is Kevin Pietersen. Sad day for cricket, sadder day for England. The people behind KP's sacking and this knee jerk appointment should be taken outside the Long Room and shot.
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The plot thickens...
Kp sacked and moores is installed as coach, coincidence I think not!
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In reply to Post #117
Wonderful to see the Aussies collapse like that. 10 for 90 after 126 for 0 start! Johnson 3 for 121 in 40 overs (both innings)...Love it!
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In reply to Post #116
I bet Johnson likes facing De kock
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"2nd Test not going the Aussies way. Johnson is human after all taking only 1 for 70!!! Ha-ha!
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In reply to Post #114
Wish the ugly **** was English!
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In reply to Post #113
13 wickets in the match costing ten runs a piece!
We don't look so bad now!
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In reply to Post #112
They are 49 for 3 atm. Johnson 2 for 21...
I will tend to look more kindly on our performance down under if the Aussies do the business in SA!
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SA's second innings will be interesting!
Will Johnson rip through them again?
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In reply to Post #110
It'll be harder to get tickets for Surrey games for sure
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In reply to Post #109
I cannot wait for his biography!
One good thing..the County Championship should be a bit lively this year. Take a guess at who will be top of the batting averages this season.
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In reply to Post #108
It'll soften the blow
How much will his sponserships drop by though?
Seems to be a lot of knee-jerk reactions happening, and a lot of scapegoats being put forward. We'll probably find out the real reasons a few days before the next series starts!
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In reply to Post #107
something had to change.
Agreed. But the change should have been of captain, coach and batting and bowling coaches. To kick out KP is just madness, but no doubt he'll now be laughing all the way to the bank, as this leaves him free for the IPL. £3-4 million for 8 weeks work. Lovely-jubbly.
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On the plus side it was easy to get Saturday tickets for the oval test
Tbh I thought either this would happen or he would be made vice captain, he never looked part of the group in Aus, something had to change.
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In reply to Post #105
cook is a talented batsman, who i believe would be better concentrating on batting and relinquish the skipper's job
The added pressure of being skipper has affected his batting performance.
Who would i have as skipper?
god only knows
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Alastair Cook influential in batsman's exit - BBC headline
Cook was part of the 3 man panel that told Pietersen to shove it.
SERIOUSLY?!?!?! We should be listening to cRaptain 'I couldn't hit a six to save my right bollock' Cook ?!?!
That's it, English cricket has officially gone bonkers. Total and utter joke.
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In reply to Post #103
Agree with you there ken.
He has plenty of talent, determination and spunk.....
Ashley Giles will just be a yes man for the old duffers in lords
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In reply to Post #102
Well according to the press reports that's it for KP. Thanks for all you have done for English cricket. Now piss off!
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In reply to Post #95
What do you think about K.P getting the bullet?
Is this the end for him?
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Ashley "The Wheelie Bin" Giles...God help us all! And his first job? Join the other 'suits' and tell KP his England days are over. If I was Sky Sports I'd be offering cricket back to terrestrial TV a.s.a.p. as nobody's gonna be watching the Indians thrash us.
Say what you like about KP. He cleared the bars at the ground when he came to the wicket. I for one will really miss his amazing talent with the bat.
Ashley Giles...No! please God NO!!! I just cannot believe it. Anybody lend me a gun?
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In reply to Post #99
One more than the test team
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I think most England fans should be overjoyed, the number 1 candidate to take over as coach for all forms of cricket is the current limited overs coach, Ashley Giles.
The limited overs side has done an amazing job this winter, winning a whole 1 game out of 8, this bodes well for the future of English cricket.
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Finally the torture is all over! All England can do now is build for the future!
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In reply to Post #96
England didn't turn up again today, awful
The 1st match was alright, 38 needed off the final over 1st ball goes for 4 wides.....
It's the hope that kills you
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Well the 20/20s are going the usual dreary way. Loss after loss! And Andy Flower packing it in. So to cheer you up...
If you want a really good read and a load of laughs about our summer game you have just GOT to read 'Not Dark Yet' by Mike Harfield. I defy any true cricket fan not to LOL at virtually every page. David Lloyd in his foreword says, " (this book is so funny) I nearly wet myself. In fact I laughed so much I nearly passed my fags around."
ISBN 978-0-9554217-1-6
You'll thank me for this...
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Don't faint...England have WON the 4th one dayer at the WACA!
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In reply to Post #93
I like Davies, shame he didn't really take his chance. I only managed to get to t20s at the oval this summer, didn't see much first class unfortunately. I actually hope prior finds some form early season, he's been a key player for England for a while now.
I just want a couple of players who score quickly, stokes certainly can, carberry can but hasn't shown it so far and may not be in the frame for the next series.
The bowlers have covered for the batsmen for too long, the home series v India was the last time they looked good
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In reply to Post #92
Having seen him quite a few times at Taunton last year - Joss's keeping is fine, he also did well in the odi series against Aus. Not sure he's ready for tests yet, his batting in the LV championship was much improved last year, maybe with him getting more chance to keep at Lancs the series against Sri Lanka might be a chance if Prior doesn't score big early season. At this stage I'd put Kieswetter in front of Buttler, keeping is better, but not in England's long term plans - Steve Davis and James Foster are better than both, but in the same boat.
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In reply to Post #91
It's so long till the next test series there will be loads of names thrown about till then, but any batsman who starts the season well will fancy there chances for a place in the squad.
Joss buttler is one I'd like to see around the squad dunno what his keepings like tho, but would be great to see him and stokes batting down the order.
there's definitely room for a positive top order player, at number 4 with bell where he should have been for this series, number three.
Kp either won't be there or will be batting 5
It should make for an exciting start to the county season
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In reply to Post #88
A year ago everyone was praising Cook - he's still young and has had one bad series. The pitches we prepared for the England part of the ashes didn't suit, our pace bowlers - low, slow and didn't really swing. I seem to remember people calling for Strauss to go as he wasn't performing with the bat and couldn't control the team. KP I agree with, his average hides the fact that he scores big every now and then, the way he got out to obvious traps just show his ego. Who would replace him though?
It's one (very) bad series for the batsmen, by and large the bowlers did ok and we're let down by the batsmen. Let's not go back to the 90's where people got one chance and then we're dropped as the selectors pandered to public opinion.
Flowers and the ECB's mistake has been to micromanage and play the game too safely - the big difference with Lehman is that he got the guys playing for fun (it's a game after all) added to the fact that Australia had everything to prove whereas the England team were jaded and done it all before
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In reply to Post #88
agree,
The Cricket Board have already stated that Flowers job is safe, He needs to do the decent thing and resign.
Cook and Bell surprised me this tour with their performances( of lack of )
K.P time is up, he has to step aside.
I think im right in saying that none of our batsman has made a ton this series......
The Aussie bowlers were pitching full on this morning, thats why so many wickets fell to slip catches and caught behind, along with the lbw of Cook. yet our bowlers continued to pitch the ball short
There has been a lack of passion throughout the entire ashes series.
Bring back boycott, Botham and co....
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In reply to Post #88
100% agree with all of those sensible words Ken. Especially Cooke; watching him get out last night was just embarrassing to watch. It made me cringe and want to turn over.
Anyone like to bet that KP's performances would improve if he was paid what he got in the IPL?
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I am simply lost for words.
IMO Flowers. KP (controversial!) and Cooke must step down. Bring on Lehmann and bring back Strauss. Get hold of players with fire in their guts. Stop pampering our bowlers at home with favorable pitches. Stop the time wasting. Stop the sledging - it just looks stupid if you cannot back it up. Bring back good aggressive cricket as practiced by the Aussies this series and by the England Ashes 2005 squad. Only ray of light in this lot is Ben Stokes.
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well thats a good start , 2nd ball
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In reply to Post #83
He didn't struggle in India, but that was the patient attritional cricket he / flower likes. When teams play aggressively he struggles - like in NZ earlier and now in Aus.
Maybe the Windies series will be another line in the sand, losing last time over there was the kick in the arse the team needed - not sure it's a bad thing that there's no tests though!
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Lets hope our batting stands up to be counted tonight for once. Fingers crosssed.
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In reply to Post #83
It seemed to me that swanny and prior were his main advisors on the field, he looks even more lost without them.
Well done to stokes, he has a big future, but needs to learn to control better. That comes with experience though.
Painful watching again, throwing away a position of dominance, didn't help being a bowler down but it's happened in every test so far
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What was the reason for dropping root? Cook has struggled since becoming captain and by the looks of it the senior players don't seem to help him out much?
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In reply to Post #81
Was at the game. Good to see stokes get a 5 for. Carberry has to go. Cook looked devoid of tactics during the afternoon with Smith and Haddin at the crease. We need to polish up on how to get teams out efficiently and effectively.
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In reply to Post #80
We won a toss!
If we can't get wickets on that strip, we are really in trouble......
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Fingers crossed for tonight!! Hopefully can save the embarrassment of a white wash 
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In reply to Post #78
That's them. Jaimie's.the quicker of the two, Craig's more the all rounder but still not exactly slow!. We also had Glenn Querl at the club, well until his bouncer was investigated! Matt Allin's there too, more so now he's not with Warc's, Chris Rogers played here in the late 90's and to top it off, it's David Shepherd's old club. Pretty much the oldest cricket pavilion in the country and the best looking ground - not bad for north devon lol!
I did once face the first team bowlers in the nets, ok against the short stuff, but couldn't hit it when pitched up. Trying to ramp them probably wasn't the best move......
My lads the one with the talent in the family though, even if my dad was on the Yorcs books whilst at school many, many moons ago.
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In reply to Post #76
Are they the boys at Somerset?
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In reply to Post #76
I was privileged to be keeping to nadeem ikbal, a pakistania A bowler standing more than 25yrds back when he took 5 wickets in an over.... the buzz you get is unreal!! but also facing Les Taylor in the nets once... when I kept tracking him as he was bowling big away swingers was priceless!! After the third time of "swing and miss" he politely said to me... "Do that again!! you'll loose your front teeth!" Yeah I stayed put and still missed the fooking thing!
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In reply to Post #75
Brian Close. Hard as nails.
here
Armchair expert proving that people are quick to judge what they have little experience of.
here
I keep wicket, and it's great fun when you get real quicks bowling, we had a south African u19 there his year, as well as occasionally the Overton twins - they grew up at the club I'm at. Taking the ball head high when you are standing 20yds back is fun, facing them bowling medium pace off a couple of yards in the nets isn't! Glad I don't play 1st team stuff when they really run in, and I'm not ashamed to say it!
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In reply to Post #68
yes they may be erratic but why not just let them loose?
Don't care if the water carriers are erratic, just as long as they scare the **** out of one or two Aussies, maybe clout one or two of them under the chin to boot!
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I certainly do! Ambroses eyes used to scare me let alone facing a delivery from him!!
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Carlos.... Do you remember Ambroses first ball at Edgbaston? I think the year was 1995? He bowled that bouncer which flew!!! The test lasted 3 days and we got blown away!! I remember Smith getting one flush on the jaw off Bishop! How he was still standing i'll never know
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Remember watching a spell from Walsh and Ambrose in their prime they just terrified teams. Tall and quick and accurate. Unplayable at times. Don't think our tall quicks are in that class yet. But height pace and bounce could rattle the Aussies.
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I remember the time Derek Randle doffed his hat to Dennis Lillee when he sent down a barrage of bouncers!! Good old fashioned heart and bottle!
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I am old enough, sadly, to remember Brian Close facing the "whispering death" (Michael Holding). He must have been in his mid-to late-40s, went out without arm guard, chest protection or even a helmet and just stood there and let the bouncers hit him...
And Colin Cowdrey facing Hall and Griffiths with his left arm in a cast, it having been broken earlier in the Lords test of - I think - 1963. They don't make them like that any more
MCC having officially retired from first class cricket, was an emergency replacement for England in the 1974 Ashes tour after England were left with only David Lloyd as a recognised top five batsman. Cowdrey was subjected to a hail of abuse, both verbally and with the ball by Lillie and Thompson but he still showed real grit and determination despite being battered and bruised by the Aussie quicks.
The story goes that when he first faced Lillie, finding himself at the umpire's end from which DL was bowling, held out his hand to DL and introduced himself along the lines of: Good morning. My name's Colin Cowdrey. It's pleasure to meet you". Lillie's reply - probably apocryphal - was, "**** off, Bunter!
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In reply to Post #68
Totally agree about letting the tall quicks loose on this final test coming up. Nothing to lose!
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Very true Ken... Our lower order walk out to bat with brown stains in their pants and would much prefer to stand by the umpire when MJ is bowling. Just look at what he has done to broady! He really has lost his bottle for the fight when it comes to batting.
I've been privileged to have faced that sort of pace in my younger days and yes it's not pleasant but these guys train every day with it. Another thing is England took 3 tall fast bowlers who did nothing but carry drinks!!! yes they may be erratic but why not just let them loose?
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In reply to Post #63
(Hate posting like this only to look back on it a few days later with head hung down!)
See what I mean?
Our batsmen _ KP apart - are clearly ****ting themselves when they have to face MJ. Time to dig 'em up and get Cowdrey and Close out there. It's not too late to collect a few posthumous bruises!
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Our batting has let us down this series. Our bowlers managed to paper over the batting cracks in the last few series. Seems the confidence/ form has gone of all of our batsmen at once. Let's hope they can restore some pride in the last test.
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our best day of the series yesterday followed by the worst today , kin joke
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Well it was a solid reasonable expectation. Just 1 problem. We look devoid of any real fight in us. I couldnt sleep so watched a bit. Went to bed at 65-1, Cook had just gone. Carnerry on 6 from 63 i tink it was, WTF by the way. Wake upto 179 ao. Disgrace. Absolute disgrce. Nearly put a fiver on 5-0 when we lost the second test heavily. Could of softened the blow of yet another whitewash just a little.
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Well that was a better day...just Haddin to get rid of now. Do that first thing to establish a 1st innings lead of at least 50, then bat all day for 250 or so (wishful thinking???) and then we can win this one!
(Hate posting like this only to look back on it a few days later with head hung down!)
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Let's hope England can restore some pride this next test. 3-2 overall sounds better than 5-0 which is way it'shheading since last few tests.
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In reply to Post #60
Fair play to Swanny his arms not up to it so hes going,nothing to play for as we have lost the Ashes and he does not want to aggrevate the injured arm
Hes done us proud over the years
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In reply to Post #59
Was going to be his last tour anyway. He seemed to be shaking his arm a lot when bowling, don't think the surgery worked.
People are slagging him for bailing mid tour, but what's the point carrying on if you can't bowl the 30 overs they need him to, plus the Aussies are packed with right handers - suits Monty more than Swanny anyway.
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swannys jacked it in
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I agree.
Well done to the Ausies.
They surely came back hard down under.
But Dale Steyn and Morne Morkel will sort them out come next year.
Just hope England comes back and give them a bit of a fight these remaining tests.
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First off, Congratulations to the Aussies. Superb, gritty display. Full of determination, aggression and pride.
England .... I've been saying it all year, England's batting line up is pathetic and nothing has been done about it. They have been saved, time and again, by the bowlers. Now we see what happens when the bowling fails.
MASSIVE wholesale changes need to be made in the lineup. (After I have won my bet for 5-0 Australia ).
I really cba to go into who needs kicking out, but imo a lot of P45's would be used.
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Great knock from stokes, dissapointing though that it takes a 22 year old in his second test match to show our batsmen how it's done!
Changes have to be made, I'm not a great fan of ballance but he's in form, maybe kp should miss out, if he wasn't captain cook would be next in the firing line.
swanny's getting knocked around the park and not threatening with ball or bat, I'd drop him for onions to add a wicket taker to the attack. While if broad doesn't make it it's a toss up between Finn or tremlett.
I'm really pi**ed at the lack of balls our 'top players' have shown and cook has to take a lot of the blame for being so negative! In the summer he consistently released the pressure when aus were struggling giving them the momentum here.
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In reply to Post #54
hes only scottish wen hes losing mate, wen hes winning hes british
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Firstly let me say im not a great cricket watcher, however i do always try and watch the ashes,
so far i can honestly say England have been ***** !!
They all need to grow a set of nuts and actually realise they are representing their countries !! they look like a bunch of scared schoolboys , that will burst into tears coz the aussies are giving them a bit of verbals !!!
no fight, no idea, pathetic !!
its nearly as bad as that scottish **** winning sports fixed personality of the year !!
Paddy.
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...
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In reply to Post #51
simply been blown away today
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In reply to Post #50
KP is sooooooooooooo frustrating at times
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Oh no. Not again! Why is KP still in the team?
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In reply to Post #48
Imo he's got inside there heads, but he is himself pretty fragile mentally, all it would take is one of our more aggressive batsman to really get after him and that would nullify him for the rest of the series, the trouble is the only batsman I feel could do it is kp, but he's not in great touch atm.
Stokes and carberry have that aggressive nature but not the experience I think.
I'm not overly worried about Perth, broad and tremlett should enjoy it there, I wouldn't be surprised to see bresnan come in for swanny for that one aswell
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Johnson 21.0 8 53 1
Wonder if we are starting to work him out?
Nasty atmosphere today. Worse than Brisbane IMO. To my mind it takes a lot of the pleasure out of watching/listening. Surely the umpires need to step in now. Can't see Dickie Bird letting that sort of language go unchecked.
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In reply to Post #46
What, you dont think these two can put on a 250 partnership again ye of little faith
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lets all do a rain dance
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Well I did say johnson was a series winner!
If you think that was embarrassing... Wait until the Perth test
At least we gave our own master class, just a shame it was in middle order self destruction
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In reply to Post #43
the barmy army song ,he bowls to the left , he bowls to the right , that mitchell johnson his bowling
is ***** wasn't being sung much last night
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Listen to Boycs sticking it to them on the BBC R5 podcast. he doesn't hang back!
Link...
How can the bowler who was ridiculed on the last tour be destroying us!
Well he's acquired armfuls of tats and a Merve the Swerve 'tash for a start! Looks bloody fierce even before he starts his run: witness that stare he gave Anderson...!
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think we can safely say thats it for this test .
2-0 down , things aint looking good
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Since following the England team this has been the most shocking play I have seen to date.
Severely disappointed with Root and KP the way they got out.
This is the time to produce, but I am afraid things an't looking good here.
Johnson is destroying us.
Seems we can't cope with fast bowling.
Root at 3 and Bell down at 5?
Don't make sense at the minute.
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Awful!
How can the bowler who was ridiculed on the last tour be destroying us!
Cook and pieterson need to step up here, two of our best ever batsmen should be leading by example getting runs, not giving their wickets away and starting these epic collapses!
These two got runs against the likes of Bret lee and Shaun tait, Johnson's pace shouldn't be a problem!
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What a way to start a series. Only 6 days played in total and we look tired and beaten...
I fear another 5-0 drubbing, but we bounced back well from the last such result out there in 2007, winning the 2009 Ashes series.
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In reply to Post #37
cheers martin
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In reply to Post #32
It's too soon for bresnan after the injury, looks like a possibility for the 3rd test tho. With his pace on these pitches I'd expect him to go for a lot of runs, but he does give you important wickets and useful runs.
I want to see stokes, brilliant in the field, can really punish teams with the bat and bowls mid 80s with the odd quicker ball 90+mph.
Seemed a bit childish from Anderson, most quicks would stick a bouncer on his chin or ribs and be done with it
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In reply to Post #32
It was audible but wouldn't take much for Anderson to laugh it off and tell the umpire to jog on..
It happens in every series and hopefully always will!
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In reply to Post #32
still cant suss how to post the link lol
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In reply to Post #32
you gota laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcQ3ptLUiw8
can someone sort the link
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When did Anderson run to teacher? If it was the Clarke incident whilst batting then Clarkes comment was clearly audible. Stupid thing to say and not very nice.
Root at 3 for me. Keep Pietersen and Bell 4+5. If Bresnan is fit lets go with a 5 man attack. Would be brave dropping to 5 batsmen after losing by nearly 400 runs.
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In reply to Post #30
Yeah shame about trott, certainly wasn't in the right frame of mind for a series down under..
Anderson running to the teacher is embarrassing, give as good as you get and don't be a coward!
Well deserved win for the Aussies, Johnson was something else.. He's a potential series winner
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In reply to Post #29
It is a shame for him and I hope he sorts himself out.
In the meantime bell should move to three and bairstow or stokes come in at 6 or 7, I'd prefer stokes but it would be a gamble.
Ballance would be in the reckoning too but I can't say I'm a fan.
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In reply to Post #24
The Carberry dismissal was a little unfortunate really. Trott though was shocking. Will be lucky to make the 2nd test. Not quite sure who would replace him, perhaps Stokes to bolster bowling as well.
Beefy said 5-0. It's possibly on the cards just the wrong way round if we continue like that.
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In reply to Post #26
beefy hit the nail on the head , we werent good enough
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In reply to Post #23
Unless Cook and KP can bat for two days!
Well, THAT didn't happen did it!
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In reply to Post #23
More chance of a win than a draw now, if England see out the time left they'll pass 500.
Trott should be dropped and stokes come in at seven to balance the bowling.
Cook bell and kp will have to get 300+ between them to stand a chance.
Good contest though
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In reply to Post #22
Well Carberry wasn't so clever this time round
Trott needs dropping for a game or 2
Was up all night watching again, it's been a brilliant game!
Proper pantomime cricket, Root shadow boxing before bowling to Warner for his century and a hard earned century for Clarke.... Doesn't feel like an ashes series if you're not under pressure
Doubt I'll be awake quite so long tonight, we'll tumble like dominos if cook can't get himself in
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3rd day nightmare...Kiss this one goodbye Cook and Co...
(Unless Cook and KP can bat for two days!)
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In reply to Post #20
I like carberry, wish he'd tried to play a bit more but must be hard watching all them wickets tumbling at the other end.
I particularly admire his ability to make cricket whites look ghetto, that takes some skill
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that was a major collapse
bet the bowlers had the hump
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Stayed up through the night and watched us crumble..
Been saying for a long time that trott, cook, prior and root are lucky to have a place. Carberry looks solid at least, needs to smash lyon out of the attack though. I'm pleased for the Aussies, seems we will get a proper ashes series now
I may have to put on an Aussie accent when I get there if it goes tits up
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In reply to Post #18
Oh dear!
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1st test 1st innings collapse
At least there consistent
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In reply to Post #15
especially bumble
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There is something about facing the aussies that brings the best out of Broad. Whether or not hes getting boooed by them. He has 11 5 wicket hauls with 5 against Australia. Thats impressive.
Just need to get those last 2 wickets in double quick time and the batters to back up the bowlers with 400+.
Come on England.
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In reply to Post #14
Another big for sky' s coverage with some interesting and entertaining commentators
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Pity Test Match Special does not get broadcast again during the day.
Would've been great!
As for Sky watched the Grand Prix over the weekend and certainly a very different take on the way they do it.
Quite enjoyed it.
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In reply to Post #4
Sky's commentary and coverage is fantastic. The pundits make it funny even during the not so interesting times. Sky for me is worth every penny as their coverage seems to enhance every sport they take on from Speedway to Football.
Really enjoying the ashes especially as I can get it on Sky go from anywhere with 3G
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In reply to Post #11
Broad certainly silenced the Aussies
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Got myself Sky just to watch this.
Great start from England!
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In reply to Post #8
Looking forward to the next days play
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In reply to Post #8
Looking forward to the next days play
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Cheers, guys!
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In reply to Post #6
channel 11 on freeview
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In reply to Post #4
Pick tv 10 o'clock
Dunno if that's on freeview but I have it on my freesat box
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Brilliant 1st day. Now keep it up! Stayed up until 3.a.m. listening on the radio as we don't have Sky. Was looking forward to the usual Ch5 highlights program at 7.00 this evening, only to fish that those greedy buggers at Sky are not releasing any highlights.
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In reply to Post #1
Hoping we have them against the ropes by then
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In reply to Post #1
I'll be there in 3 weeks.. Got my England cricket and lions shirts packed
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well ................. here we go again
well played broady , another 5 wicket haul.
what a way to ram them aussie taunts back down their throats
COME ON ENGLAND
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NON Carp stuff