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 #59 31 Oct 2011 at 3.27am | |   |
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In reply to Post #49
Of course the garlic will overpower the chocolate cream and tangerine.
I agree mate. Not the best statement to make to try and show the power of the garlic powder i use. 
However, my mix (dare i say) is the same level of garlic with
Cajun Crawfish
Butyric Acid
Mexican Onion EO
And it over powers that.  Im just glad winters coming now so i can use my seed mix with much nicer flavours and EO'S (Thanks Uncle Ken BTW). 
Ive been smelling like a fishy, pickled onion, sweaty sock, Garlic monster for long enough now. 
Going to use Strawberry all next year i think.
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#58 31 Oct 2011 at 3.03am | | |
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In reply to Post #57
Garlic Powder
This is similar to the one i use. Its a bit more expensive, but should be about the same quality wise. The one i got was from Coventry Walsgrave Extra. It might have been on offer, i cant remember. I drive a Tesco truck to stores all over the the place, so get to go into a few different stores. You'll be supprised what i find in them. My last find was Semolina, at 89p for 1.5kg bags (on offer). Needless to say i had a few bags.
I am starting to rate Garlic more and more. It was recommended to me by a friend who's made boilies since the start. Shame is, he's got the 'old school secret squirel' sytle about him, and does not let much slip. But he recommended it, and now i like to use it if i can. Im still messing about with Fenugreek to. Mixing it with ratio of Garlic.
You would need to ask someone who knows a bit more about it why the fish seem to like these herbs, and spices. They must get some benefit from them, and as they are quite cheap and seem to make a difference to bait, i am starting to use more of them.
I think your right. It may be best to let the user decide on the liquid side of the bait. There again is so many good options it would be hard to recommend one package. I like lots of different things in my bait and suppose others have their favourites to. I will say this so anyone looking at this thread can see it. I have used a lot of Hemp Oil lately. I think its well worth looking at for part of the liquid side of the bait. It also seems to be a good attractor in its own right. (And put it in the fridge, it does not solidify  )
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#57 30 Oct 2011 at 11.29pm | | |
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@ Frenzy, you mean you haven't worked your way through those bags of chilli and garlic yet??!!
@ Nelliman, i just get my garlic from the spice section, shall have to check out the whole foods because yours sounds cheaper.
I realise price is a consideration but £1.30 for 400g isn't expensive. Although i would save a little by swapping WPC for blood plasma. Very similar properties without adding a colour or flavour (a benefit in my eyes)
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#56 30 Oct 2011 at 10.07pm | | |
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In reply to Post #55
do you find any differncies in types of blood?
or do you know where the blood is derived from
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#55 30 Oct 2011 at 6.53pm | | |
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I usually don't use much more than 3% blood powder as it starts dominating the bait, and the powder I use will make the bait extremely dark at higher levels. It stinks horrific but is one of the best and cheapest hardeners around.
Wouldn't bother with low levels of milk proteins with all that fish protein in already and I would up the predigested to at least 10% at the cost of Vitamealo. It's a question of solubility and I'd rather have that from predigested fish meal than from milk powders.
You should also consider trying other fishmeals out. LT94 is a good fishmeal yes, but it's way overhyped with totally ridiculous claims about it being head and shoulders better than others. It seems to be used in 90% of fishmeal based baits, so if you wish to stand out use something else. I have tried many equally good mealsl my favorite being sandeel meal - brilliant!
Don't rate soya flour as it makes the baits go soft imo. Will rather stick 2-3% of gluten in there if it wont roll. 10% of polenta is included in most of my recipes as it aids rolling, hardens the boiled baits and makes baits easier to break down by the carp.
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#54 30 Oct 2011 at 6.40pm | | |
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In reply to Post #51
i'll get me coat..... 
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#53 30 Oct 2011 at 6.19pm | | |
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the blood would also harden the bait, so I am not sure the WPC would still be needed. maybe replace it with a casien milk protien.
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#52 30 Oct 2011 at 6.18pm | | |
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In reply to Post #41
If you look at MM's recepie, if you combine our blood and WPC its nearly the same as he is using for WPC alone. Our 85g to his 75g. Do we really need both or would it be best to find out which is the better for our needs and just use 1? I have not used blood powder before, only read a bit on CC's website. It also sounds as though blood may change the color of our bait, which i never thought of up till now, although i don't know if were using enough blood powder to affect our bait in any real way.
Playing with a similar recipe I found that WPC and powdered blood turned out a fairly hard dry bait that took took on water very quickly.
As far as the colour goes, with the blood powder the bait will be a mid-brown colour but yes once in the water it would end up a light beige with a dark specks from the kelp and CLO .
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#51 30 Oct 2011 at 5.43pm | | |
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In reply to Post #50
Sorry mate i was talking about nellieman
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#50 30 Oct 2011 at 5.28pm | | |
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In reply to Post #48
Do you really rate the Garlic powder then russ?
Who's Russ... 
yes i do rate it highly mate....and i prefer to mix it with the dry ingredients in the mixer for a good 20mins (depending on batch size) before adding liquids.
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#49 30 Oct 2011 at 4.19pm | | |
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A recent mix i made for a friend, was a Yellow(ish) seed mix with garlic power, Chocolate Cream EA, and Tangerine EO (his recepie, not mine) And all i could smell was this Garlic powder.
Of course the garlic will overpower the chocolate cream and tangerine.
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#48 30 Oct 2011 at 3.56pm | | |
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In reply to Post #47
Do you really rate the Garlic powder then russ?
Liquid side i would leave it down to the makers to chop and change personally Id use aabaits red lighting
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#47 30 Oct 2011 at 3.49pm | | |
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In reply to Post #45
I have been using the Garlic powder out of the world foods sections of Tesco Extras. It is about £1.30 for 400g, and even at 10g per pound it is the prevailing smell of the finished bait. Not sure if its as good nutrition wise, as some of the more expensive versions, but It sure makes a difference.
A recent mix i made for a friend, was a Yellow(ish) seed mix with garlic power, Chocolate Cream EA, and Tangerine EO (his recepie, not mine) And all i could smell was this Garlic powder.
Im not sure we really need it anyway, just an idea.
Think we need an expert to look over our recipe now and make some suggestions?
Do we need to have a think what the liquid side of the recipe should be, or do we leave that for the makers to decide on. Personally, even though its expensive, i would include LO30. I have only just started to use this stuff, but i really think it makes a difference in a fish mix. Any other ideas?
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#46 30 Oct 2011 at 1.05pm | | |
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In reply to Post #45
decent Garlic Powder can be expensive.....but i can sort you some out if needed mate
same as Chilli powder
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#45 30 Oct 2011 at 12.31pm | | |
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In reply to Post #44
I also like garlic in my mix so think it should be included
Problem is we are trying to keep the price down
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