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In reply to Post #51
i'll get me coat..... 
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#53 30 Oct 2011 at 6.19pm | | |
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the blood would also harden the bait, so I am not sure the WPC would still be needed. maybe replace it with a casien milk protien.
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#52 30 Oct 2011 at 6.18pm | | |
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In reply to Post #41
If you look at MM's recepie, if you combine our blood and WPC its nearly the same as he is using for WPC alone. Our 85g to his 75g. Do we really need both or would it be best to find out which is the better for our needs and just use 1? I have not used blood powder before, only read a bit on CC's website. It also sounds as though blood may change the color of our bait, which i never thought of up till now, although i don't know if were using enough blood powder to affect our bait in any real way.
Playing with a similar recipe I found that WPC and powdered blood turned out a fairly hard dry bait that took took on water very quickly.
As far as the colour goes, with the blood powder the bait will be a mid-brown colour but yes once in the water it would end up a light beige with a dark specks from the kelp and CLO .
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#51 30 Oct 2011 at 5.43pm | | |
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In reply to Post #50
Sorry mate i was talking about nellieman
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#50 30 Oct 2011 at 5.28pm | | |
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Do you really rate the Garlic powder then russ?
Who's Russ... 
yes i do rate it highly mate....and i prefer to mix it with the dry ingredients in the mixer for a good 20mins (depending on batch size) before adding liquids.
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#49 30 Oct 2011 at 4.19pm | | |
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A recent mix i made for a friend, was a Yellow(ish) seed mix with garlic power, Chocolate Cream EA, and Tangerine EO (his recepie, not mine) And all i could smell was this Garlic powder.
Of course the garlic will overpower the chocolate cream and tangerine.
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#48 30 Oct 2011 at 3.56pm | | |
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Do you really rate the Garlic powder then russ?
Liquid side i would leave it down to the makers to chop and change personally Id use aabaits red lighting
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#47 30 Oct 2011 at 3.49pm | | |
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I have been using the Garlic powder out of the world foods sections of Tesco Extras. It is about £1.30 for 400g, and even at 10g per pound it is the prevailing smell of the finished bait. Not sure if its as good nutrition wise, as some of the more expensive versions, but It sure makes a difference.
A recent mix i made for a friend, was a Yellow(ish) seed mix with garlic power, Chocolate Cream EA, and Tangerine EO (his recepie, not mine) And all i could smell was this Garlic powder.
Im not sure we really need it anyway, just an idea.
Think we need an expert to look over our recipe now and make some suggestions?
Do we need to have a think what the liquid side of the recipe should be, or do we leave that for the makers to decide on. Personally, even though its expensive, i would include LO30. I have only just started to use this stuff, but i really think it makes a difference in a fish mix. Any other ideas?
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#46 30 Oct 2011 at 1.05pm | | |
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In reply to Post #45
decent Garlic Powder can be expensive.....but i can sort you some out if needed mate
same as Chilli powder
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#45 30 Oct 2011 at 12.31pm | | |
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In reply to Post #44
I also like garlic in my mix so think it should be included
Problem is we are trying to keep the price down
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#44 30 Oct 2011 at 12.18pm | | |
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great idea for a thread guys, would be good to make something as good as the bait companies but half the price. Unfortunatly i have no idea about ingredients.
But i know krill is a winner and mollases sounds good!
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#43 30 Oct 2011 at 12.06pm | | |
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In reply to Post #41
I also like garlic in my mix so think it should be included. Gives mine a lovely underlining aroma.
Talking about blood powder and WPC, i shall add blood plasma as an option. Similar properties but doesn't colour a bait like blood powder, has a lower recommended inclusion level than both making room for something else. So, with yeast i add belachan at the same level. Raises the price, but possibility?
I would be more than happy to add in molasses, i like something other than just egg in liquid form and find it a good attractor.
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#42 30 Oct 2011 at 10.54am | | |
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the blood meal will change the baits colour, at that amount im thinking of a red tinge
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#41 30 Oct 2011 at 3.54am | | |
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In reply to Post #37
255g LT94
75g Pre Digest (dont need 100g to get full benefit per kg)
50g Blood powder
50g Krill meal
150g CLO
100g Vitamealo
100g Soya Flour
100g Semolina
50g Kelp Powder
35g Brewers Yeast
35g Whey Protein.
Thats looking really good IMO. The yeast powder is probably a more cost effective additive than the liver powder.
If you look at MM's recepie, if you combine our blood and WPC its nearly the same as he is using for WPC alone. Our 85g to his 75g. Do we really need both or would it be best to find out which is the better for our needs and just use 1? I have not used blood powder before, only read a bit on CC's website. It also sounds as though blood may change the color of our bait, which i never thought of up till now, although i don't know if were using enough blood powder to affect our bait in any real way.  
I don't know if colour in our bait is important or not? I suppose not as long as the baits a cracker. At the min, i can see the finished bait as an off white, light brown colour with some dark specks in from the seed in the CLO. I suppose if Ducks and other such creatures are a problem on the lakes our bait is being used, the user could add dye to the bait to dull it down more. I always like black powder dye.
I use alot of molasses in my fishing. I mix particles in it, add to boilie mixes, put it in pva bags and so on. A lot of people say its a megga bream attractor. However i feel if you hit a shoal of bream when your fishing you'll catch them on anything. Im not sure its the molasses thats attracting them, rather your just being unlucky and fishing in a shoal of them. Thats what is have found over a long period of using molasses. Also when you consider its as cheap as chips, when brought from a horseie shop, its a good item to include into bait. Also you could roll lots and lots of it into your bait come winter time to increase leak off from the bait and make it break down quicker. I really rate molasses, and have found for myself that it does not really matter if you get the really thick stuff from tesco or Moores, or the thinner stuff from seed merchants or horse outlets, it all works the same. (I did consider molasses as a user name when i joined the forum)
Just some food for thought. What does anyone think of garlic and fenugreek powder? Is it worth considering trying to get some in? I have used garlic powder alot in a seed mix of mine, and although i have no clue as to why, i just know my seed mix works better with it, than without.
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#40 29 Oct 2011 at 10.12pm | | |
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In reply to Post #39
i dont know if it any better as in other things but i know its lower in oil
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