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In reply to Post #74 Listen to Donald, he talks sense
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In reply to Post #69 Are drones & bait boats really that easy to use?
Probably not, I'm sure those whose hobby is in the remote control world are very highly skilled.
Give them a boat and drone and they'll probably out fish most people.
I wonder how they would feel if someone come up with a technology that could allow others to come along and take away the skill and dedication in their hobby?
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In reply to Post #71 Interpretation is a very open ended word..
My Interpretation of using over the top technology would completely be the opposite of other people who have the tech ..its still cheating , cheating yourself and any capture thereof is null and void ..no great skill involved...just the passing of money over to the company that makes these gadgets ..
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In reply to Post #70 You will likely see merit differently to other fishermen/fisherwoman. The only rules are those placed by the fishery owners. Anything else is open to interpretation.
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Just make sure that when people are “bragging” about their catches they log down that they used a drone to find the fish, that’s what I call fair play, transparency, as it should be. If they then want merit then that’s down to the people who give them it, or don’t…
Portraying a false image to people to big their catches up, well, that’s something else, it’s called lying. Here’s me with a picture of a fish in my arms but nobody knows the REAL circumstances behind the capture and if they really deserved it or not
Drone user?
Bait boat, fish finder and camera?
Mmmmmm, each to their own
Now if technology should be embraced then so should be the truth. Here’s the story guys and girls, I flew the drone around all morning and after 3 battery changes and the noise pissing people off I finally found the fish, I chucked everything in my van and sped round there as quick as I could before another drone user or somebody with some real watercraft skills came along and got on the fish before me, I had got it completely wrong but thanks to the technology, I had now got it so right, I had found them!!! Drones are ace, I would have never found them without it, I had fished the completely wrong areas for the last 9 months!
I got round to the swim and the spot was 210 yds out, a plateau covered in weed with a few holes in it. Obviously this is well out of my casting range and true angling ability since there is no way on earth I could get a bait on the spot. I got the bait boat out, put the sonar on to help me find the plateau, I navigated the boat around the reed beds , under the trees, no way I could normally get a bait there, and all around the snags to get to the plateau and dropped the bait on a clear spot just bigger than a dustbin lid with the aid of a camera. 2 hours later something magical happened, after a 2 hour scrap I managed to drag the fish through every snag know to man man, but that’s irrelevant, it’s all about the picture, I can then tell people whatever I like. There I was, 60lb plus, big rig was finally in my arms!
Anybody see the merit in this capture?
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Are drones & bait boats really that easy to use? regardless if people think they should or should not be used in angling. Only used a bait boat handful of times many years ago, but I remember it not being a walk in the park. Never flew a drone but even let’s say you find a clear spot amongst the weed you still have to cast to it or get the boat out there and drop it precisely. Controversial, but I’d rather someone setting up next to me with a drone or boat than thrashing the water to a foam with a marker rod looking for a spot.
Obviously have the disabled users aspect to both as well.
Always been an interesting topic tbf
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'The destination is more important than the journey'.....
The use of drones & bait boats and catching the biggest is becoming the norm to most of the new generation.
As everyone starts to find out later in life the journey is the most important part.
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In reply to Post #63 not in the spirit of how he imagined angling to be
What a great line, similar thoughts to me
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It’s easy to spot who depends on a remote controlled robot to catch their fish in these threads
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In reply to Post #63 Nice to start a debate and hear other people’s thoughts, also nice to know most people have the same opinion, great input by all
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A big thank you to Vinnie for starting this thread..
Because ,earlier on today I was walking around a local water with the new owner ,who was considering allowing 'tech ' er,cheating devices ...
During the course of our chat ,I showed him this thread ,as a result ALL cheating devices ie bait boats and drones are now banned..
His words or similar ,a lot of the replies, pro cheating devices ,seemed desperate and not in the spirit of how he imagined angling to be,he's not an angler btw .
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In reply to Post #61 Thanks for that Andrew Tate
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However you go about your fishing, so long as it's for you and no one else, you're not upsetting anyone, then good on ya. Whether you're using a boat, a drone, a winch cam whatever. It isn't down to anyone to say it's the right or wrong way. The carp still has to pick up your bait irrelevant of how you've set a trap.
These fish wives that have opinions are entitled to have their say, It wouldn't matter what bilge they come out with as an opinion only matters if the person is one you respect.
Tec is there, it's only going to get better over time. It's there to make our lives easier like it or not. Those who don't want to move with it dont. But I will embrace it, and I'll use whatever I can to make my fishing as enjoyable and as memorable as it can be. I dont need to be rubbing bums to be relevant here or anywhere else. I do things how I want to and within the rules.
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Ive no issue with drones, bait boats, pre-baiting or reserving swims etc for the reason of making a film. I find the resulting footage of this (above and below the water) more interesting than the catch itself.
I dont think you can compare bite alarms, battery packs, bivvy heaters etc with the use of bait boats and drones though ... the differences is bite alarms and bivvy comfort has no relevance to angling skill.
Lets be honest, anyone who catches using bait boats, drones etc must, deep down realise they are only cheating themselves? ..... Its on par with fishing an overstocked carp puddle! ..... but there is always going to be a market for this type of angler. The plus side is it will keep this type of angler away from the waters i like to fish so that in itself is a bonus
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I have a couple of drones but I have never used them for fish spotting, it would be pointless on the venues I tend to fish as they are either small muddle lakes (no visibility) or the tidal rivers (no visibility)
I bought my first one years ago when they were quite expensive and I used it to film waters from the air. e.g. I have footage of a river I used to fish, the drone flying along following it's bends and curves...the videos I have created are purely for my benedit, I have never shared them, they are there for me to watch as I get older/lazier and don't get out to 'wilder' waters as much
Bad drone use:
A couple of years ago I was invited to Holme Fen. A guy there was using the drone to find fish. As you can imagine, the fish would move into unfished areas, so the swim would be free. He'd up sticks, drive to the free swim, chuck his bait boat out and get a run or two. He didn't land many as he was going past kelp beds and all sorts to get the bites.
He never got invited back to this years (2024) trip, and I believe drones are now banned on the venue.
Boats:
One thing that always used to bother me about the bait boat argument ... especially back in early CarpForum days ... quite often the people saying they were cheating were avid row boat users! In my opinion, a row boat can offer far more advantages (maybe not stealth!) than a bait boat. Winch cams and even echo finders weren't around back then, but these guys would think that hanging over the side of the boat with a glass bottomed bucket looking for clear spots was 'carpy' ... and you could hand place baits, poke the lead core into the clay/silt, run the line back along the edge of a weed bed to avoid the fish swimming into it...etc etc (done all those things myself from a boat in France and done very well). However, to them, a boat boat user (who could see none of this from the bank) was cheating due to an unfair advantage!
When all said and done, there's no single/correct answer. Lots of different fishing scenarios where sometimes certain things would be permissible.
At the end of the day I think it's a respect thing....I try never to do anything that I think would annoy another angler on the lake in the hope that they will return the favour. We're there to relax, set our traps and maybe catch one or two.
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carp are as clever as everyone gives them credit for, then using a boat will only be an advantage until they get caught over tightly bunched piles of bait in the margins or under trees, and then they will start to get caught over singles in the middle again.
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In reply to Post #53 “That said, in the UK the chances of drone use NOT interfering with other anglers is pretty low, unless you’re the only person fishing a lake.”
This sums it up for me. I don’t use either, but have been fishing when both are in use by others. A baitboat depends if the user is a dick or not, a considerate user and no problem. Drones, however, are just incredibly annoying and ruin the peace regardless of who’s using them. I’d be embarrassed to use a drone where other anglers are fishing, regardless of the benefit.
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In reply to Post #55 Makes you think about the "live and let live" thing doesn't it?
Yes. On a lake where bait boats are not allowed the fish may be hiding under the canopies of trees or other inaccessible places
Everyone has to wait until finally they come out to feed. If boats were allowed then they would used to place bait in these places.
Result, a disproportionate amount of fish would go to the boat owners.
Those without a boat and a "live and let live" attitude will suffer and probably end up joining the boat brigade.
In my opinion those anglers should choose waters where boats are not allowed
I know others will give examples of waters where these scenarios don't exist but I'm talking about the ones that do.
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I've no experience of fishing around drones, but you don't have to be a genius to see what a massive advantage they would give on varied types of water.
Baitboats are allowed on a water I've had a ticket on for a couple of years. Although I only fished three nights the first year I did walk it plenty and witnessed the typical baitboat antics a plenty. Those up to the normal antics didn't really seem to be catching much anyway.
This season saw something very different, a good angler who really knew how to get the most out of the tech.
The water is very weedy and most trundle their boats about looking for the elusive clear spots, not this guy, he was finding the fish using the echo sounder and the depth of the weed they were sitting above. He then sent the boat back out carrying a zig rig, tied to present his bait just above the weed. His results were fantastic.
Now I'm firmly of the belief that any water will only give up a certain amount of bites per year, the number will obviously this will depend on various factors, but if someone comes along with a different approach that catches them way more than is normal, then the catches for the other anglers will drop. I've seen this first-hand when two new members of another water were blatantly breaking the rules by hand placing their rigs from boats. They caught more between the two of them than the rest of the members combined. Makes you think about the "live and let live" thing doesn't it?
Anyway personally I've decided that I won't be joining anywhere that allows baitboats in the future.
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In reply to Post #1 I’ll prefix this by saying g that I don’t have one myself.
However if you’re a busy family man who’s short on time, and the use of the drone is not interfering with anyone else’s angling, I dont see the problem. Not everyone has the luxury of time and it can certainly go some way to level the playing field with some of the time bandits out there.
That said, in the UK the chances of drone use NOT interfering with other anglers is pretty low, unless you’re the only person fishing a lake.
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In reply to Post #31 Yes theres a few lakes in that area they are being used unfortunately. As for the live and let live attitude thats exactly what i do....if its allowed on the lake i just angle in my own way where its not allowed i will point it out and take further action if the culprit continues. Thats how it works but make no doubt i dont like or agree with this totaly souless weapon in these boys armoury.... the fact some of them forget to mention their use of drones in their "atmospheric" films yet still give a run down on what tackle and bait they use(sponsered) says it all.... they know its not right which is why they omit the fact they use one. Only my opinion and accept not everyone agrees.
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In reply to Post #51 Yeah, I was a member of a place like that ,there was no rules ,except common sense and 'self policing ' of the place amongst the others ..
I hate rules in general anyway ,as its sometimes one or t'other who spoil it,although on other places I've fished,and like most people I've fished loads of waters up n down the country ,and have seen at times behaviour which to me ,a lifetime angler with no agenda other to chill out and enjoy the countryside find it completely unacceptable how some go about their business ,not only ruining it for others ,but ultimately themselves .
Or seemingly ,each to their own,means different things to different people,I guess..
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In reply to Post #50 I also understand what you’re saying and nearly everything you say there is the reason I would take up golf if that is all that was left
A club I’m in the rules are basically only fish with 3 rods make sure you have a 42inch net and unhooking mat and no dogs or guests the rest is do what you want I have never fished any where with rules so lax and no problems all fish with proper etiquette heaven
All you mentioned most can be stopped with rules then each to there own stops because the rules state u can’t no drinking or drugs rule means anyone doing it doesn’t have each to their own rights and so on
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In reply to Post #48 I understand what you are trying to say,fair enough..but in the context of the subject matter discussed ..you have missed the point in its entire..
Flying a drone low over another angler ,disrepct and disregard,and potentially spooking any fish or wildlife, but each to their own..
Using a baitboat to infringe upon another anglers spots ,steering the boat around islands,and fishing right up and into snags ,...but each to their own
Shouting across the lakes to their mates,at silly O'clock, cos they've caught a fish ,but each to their own.
Using high powered headtorches at night ,all the pulses used to find the single beam mode,.but each to their own..
Getting drunk ,using drugs when fishing ,but each to their own..
Leaving the rods unattended, fishing up against snags ,or going 200 yards away for a brew with a friend ,each to their own..
Casting onto another anglers spots or baited area,but each to their own
Not being able to play fish correctly , but each to their own..
Using overgunned tacke and winching smaller carp and so called nuisance fish in fast..each to their own
Leaving litter ,but each to their own..
'Each to their own 'is a very dangerous use of word age,it layman's terms ,its a cop out.
There should be a sense of respect or etiquette, but each to their own....!!!
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Bite alarms are just a modern development of a float. It's an indicator, like dough bobbins, foil, swing tips etc, audible rather than visible, same thing, different approach.
A bait boat and drones are used by desperados or those who rely on results to make a living, there is, after all supposed to be some element of challenge and art or else it starts to emulate performance enhancing drugs in sports.
We kid ourselves otherwise.
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In reply to Post #45 Each to there own as far as I’m concerned is as far away from selfish imo you can get it’s quite the opposite it’s liberal minded to me
On our lake you can use bait boats I don’t use them but I don’t get upset with those that do it’s in the rules they can and I accept that would it upset me if they banned them no like I said each to there own
As for ruining someone’s peace and quiet and mindfulness you literally can’t please everyone all the time that’s not selfish that’s life if we was all the same it would be a boring old world
I don’t like people camping and getting drunk and pretending to fish because there birds won’t let them go on the ale but if the rules state you can have a drink then i accept there the rules and if I fish there I have to accept it can happen
I love the solitude of fishing with no one around and the piece of quite that’s why I fish the venues I do others love the social side
From the hair rig bait runners bite alarms all tech advanced to bait boats drones it’s all the same just some people can’t accept that their are advances constantly Yates would never dream of using carbon rods and he was the record holder
So each to there own
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In reply to Post #46 My dad was similar..
In the 70s we used to go up to the Royalty,can remember heated discussions with uncles,bailiffs and anyone else lol...over these new fangled gadgets called....swimfeeders,there was hell up over it ..
Although in father's case ,he shut a few up catching a big,big whisker on bacon rind from a grotty sandwich..and no swim feeder..
He'd most likely implode regarding today's angling I can see him now on some local pool,Wax jacket ,centrepin ,Fjt trotter all his tackle in his pockets and a chair n landing net,good trad angler..
Time and tide waits for no man,tech is king ,I don't want any part of it ,insofar as angling is concerned on where I fish...its the last bastion long may it remain...
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In reply to Post #45 I remember my Dad calling using a bite alarm "not fishing" 30 years ago. Wonder where we'll be in 30 years time!
TBH I don't mind a bit of tech here and there to make things easier. Using a Deeper to map the lake depth vs popping a float up every few yards for example... the minimisation of casting disturbance and not getting floats snagged in weed. It doesn;t tell you everything and its certainly not a fish finder but I reckon a positive addition.
I haven't made my mind up about bait boats - not for me but generally as long they are operated respectfully and not on all lakes.... I guess its ok.
I couldn't imagine a lake where 15 people were fishing and they all used drones though lol... the noise and the mid air collisions, crashes into the lake etc. Carnage!
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In reply to Post #44 That's what bothers me 'each to their own ',..see a lot people with that outlook are so very selfish, in so much they inadvertently are ruining some one else's peace and quiet and state of mindfulness..it also sets a precedent
Unfortunately we live in a time where many ,many people follow like sheep ,they cannot question or even think objectively ..if a so called celebrity angler is shown using a bait boat and catches well,then you can be sure others will copy ,the saddest thing is when a capture happens ,it only shows how desperate they are to big themselves up ,and go on some media platforms..
Even the 'mesiah' ,the second coming of christ himself, the one everyone gets themselves into a tizz wanting to emulate him ,uses a bait boat ...sorry its cheating ,all captures null and void ..
There is something called 'fishing not catching '...if an individual does not understand that ,then angling may not be for them ..
Ps,not entirely directed at ee,..
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It is just this simple each to there own worry about you and let
Everyone else worry about themselves
If the rules allow it there not doing anything wrong
No I don’t own a drone but I wouldn’t frown on someone that does
I own a bait boat but rarely use it once twice a year just to much weight to carry my fishing partner uses a boat regularly he’s disabled if he didn’t he wouldn’t be able to fish the water we do so is that wrong imo no he still needs watercraft to locate where he rings the fish are
Is it not cheating casting rods out and sleeping with alarms because some say it is
Just go fishing and enjoy your self if matey flys his drone and locates the fish whilst your fish and goes on to catch them it’s not his fault your watercraft is shlt and you set up in the wrong place
Just ENJOY
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I just finished reading the John Bailey/Paul Whitehouse book and although drones/bait boats get some stick, but it's actually bolt rigs that get the most ridicule from a "purist" standpoint. I suppose it's horses for courses, but for me the line is drawn at technology which removes two essential skills in angling - locating the fish and casting.
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In reply to Post #34 I could handle the beer but it would have to be a 4 pack
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In reply to Post #40 Bait boat user by any chance?
It’s not about being a purist, I’m talking about using a robot to do the most important part of the sport for you.
The things listed are irrelevant compared to using a remote controlled machine to outsmart an animal rather than your own eyes and limbs.
I wouldn’t fish a lake that allows bait boats so in reality it makes no difference to my fishing, I can still have an opinion on their merit and debate it on the forum.
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In reply to Post #39 .......and then there's the cane & pin purist looking on
Would a real fisherman use a carbon rod/pod/stupidly expensive reels
Would a real fisherman fish beyond their sight
Would a real fisherman need power banks top watch football on the bank or god forbid even need to use a mobile phone on the banks.
Who in their right mind would thrash the water to a foam with a spod, fishing is meant to be a peaceful past time right. the responsible bait boat user v a spomb, I know who I'd rather be fishing next to, if either are needed.
It's a slippery slope to start judging others by your own requisites as to what's 'deserved or right'. At the end of the day the 'bivvy tramp' could gazzump the lot of us becasue they're the 'proper angler' because only they put in the real amount of time required to be hightened to the 'god like' status of being a proper angler, doing it the proper way.
If any of it bothers you your're not engrossed in your own fishing enough, just enjoy it.
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Would a golfer merit a putt if they had pushed it in with a remote controlled car?
Would a footballer count a penalty if the ball was carried in by remote control?
Would a tennis player count an ace fired out by a remote controlled cannon?
Maybe closer to home would a hunter consider it sport to drive up to a deer with a remote controlled vehicle to shoot it?
Let’s be honest, using a bait boat is not fishing, it’s just camping with gadgets. In every other sport I can think of the merit and satisfaction comes from learning the skills and craft. Using a bait boat shortcuts all of that for the end result, meaning the end result has no merit.
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Makes me laugh when drones are used to locate fish for films where at the same time they'll be trying to capture a purist, romantic view of carp fishing. I'm glad the consensus is that it amounts to cheating. Location and watercraft are two of the few remaining differentiators in carp fishing within the UK.
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In reply to Post #33 Very well said scozza
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In reply to Post #35 “So, I carefully wrapped a carp magazine up in carrier bags to waterproof it and tied it to the carrying handle of the bait boat and a can of beer in the hopper. I then sent it straight acoss the pond to his swim and carefully avoided his lines using my binoculars and bumped the boat into the bank under his rod.”
Here’s what’s wrong with the modern carp scene in the 1st sentence.
Years ago
If you were a real friend you would have sent a porn mag.
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In reply to Post #32 >>>>sending a can of beer to his mate from one side of the lake to the other<<<<
Many years ago on a weeks works fishing trip, it was absolutely hammering it down with rain, my friend at the opposite side of the pond in his shelter looked a bit glum with the conditions.
So, I carefully wrapped a carp magazine up in carrier bags to waterproof it and tied it to the carrying handle of the bait boat and a can of beer in the hopper. I then sent it straight acoss the pond to his swim and carefully avoided his lines using my binoculars and bumped the boat into the bank under his rod.
He must have been asleep and hearing the bump of the bait boat suddenly woke up as he flew out of his chair and grabbed the magazine and beer and gave us a big thumbs up.
But, regarding drones, the only exeperience of others using them I have, and its very rare is for them to send them up high and take aerial pictures of the lake etc and share them with others and it bothers no one.
But, some use them and fly very low taking pictures and videos of carp in the weed basking in the Sun. Thankfully its only happened once, but one person did it and went into other peoples swims doing it along a weedy treeline, very low and spooked all the carp basking as they bow waved off in all directions, probably the shadow passing overhead or they saw the drone above them, spooked a fish and caused a ripple effect with them all. It led to an argument and all they could do was defend themselves by saying they just wanted to take some pictures of the Carp to see what there was in the lake and didn't think it would bother anyone.
But, I have come across the odd idiot with a baitboat, go for a cruise around your swim, when you go round to see them, their argument is they are not fishing and they are just mapping out the pond to see where the features are etc.
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In reply to Post #33 Scozza - straight up mate, that is what goes on.
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In reply to Post #31 Blokes will jump out their motors and fly drones around before even getting their gear out
Each to their own, just another nail in the carpfishing coffin as we know it for me, ffs
One of the key parts of the puzzle is finding the fish, one serious question from me, where is the merit in the captures, zero for me or extremely tainted
Bloke fly's drone to the other side of the lake and finds fish, drives round and jumps into the swim. Takes bait boat out 200 yds. with sonar and locates plateau. drops bait on a clear spot the size of a dustbin lid with the aid of a camera. seriously, I couldn't look myself in the ****ing mirror, no wonder i am disillusioned with the modern scene and the desperation that comes with it ffs
Look at me with this fish in my arms... that I did not deserve
Is it robot carpin or shooting fish in a barrel
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I see a vid of someone sending a can of beer to his mate from one side of the lake to the other. Perfectly acceptable use of a drone if you ask me..
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In reply to Post #30 We have it on a pit along the M4. Blokes will jump out their motors and fly drones around before even getting their gear out, fly around the whole lake and then setup on top of the fish. Geezer that runs the place allows it. If they cant find the fish they jump back in the motor and go home. One of those is apparently a celebrity in the carp scene writing pieces in mags about watercraft - couldnt make it up.
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In reply to Post #20 Could not agree more. Unfortunately many of our so called leading lights are using them.... like your goodself i veiw all their captures as none and void and that includes some captures of people i am friendly with.... its a joke and a bad one at that.
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In reply to Post #27 Yeah I agree, it’s great viewing, but that’s where it ends for me
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Saves on the shoe leather I suppose.
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I personally like drones for footage and seeing a lake from a birds eye view but not for actually fishing.
I fished a lake a couple of years ago where two members turned up in the car park, sent a drone up, located the fish but saw the pegs in the immediate vicinity were taken, got back in their cars and went to another lake!
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In reply to Post #25 It’s even (for the videos sake of course) seeing when it lands in the right spot. Think it was dovey on Cathergina where he managed to get it exactly in this small hole with (I’m sure) the aid of the drone.
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In reply to Post #20 I think that it is safe to say that most anglers who use drones are simply using them as a shortcut, and actually probably neglect basic watercraft, which probably does not put them that much of an advantage. The problem that I have found over the last couple of years is that I have seen a handful of exceptionally good anglers who are now also using drones to locate carp. They literally now have every bit of info available, and it is impossible to compete with them. Of course, carp fishing is not a competition, but undoubtedly it is making it harder for the rest of us!
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Drones ? Hordes of them in modern angling, the machines too.
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In reply to Post #20 I don’t share your views on many things but I do agree with you here.
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In reply to Post #21 Funny you should say that 😂..
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In reply to Post #20 Put your alarms away Pard and get your cane out....
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In reply to Post #19 Agree ..
Some won't like this ,but modern tech like bait boats and drones are now so advanced ,you might as well stay at home and play at fishing on a big TV screen..or....go to another country, camp by the lake and watch your intended species on a lap top ..via starlink or whatever
That famous saying ,'each to their own ' ,what a cop out ,nah,use tech to a huge degree your cheating ,all captures null,void ,nada,nothing ,zero points, nil..
Your cheating yourself ,only some people will never,ever admit it to themselves..
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It's taking some of the mystery out of fishing - if that's important to you. I think it is & has been throughout for me. That "not quite knowing" fuels my interest & keeps me going. In saying that, I suppose it depends on what kind of journey you're on.
I see the argument for the other side though. Just progress, I haven't got to like it because it's happening anyway regardless.
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In reply to Post #15 Morons are the people that sit on a 500 acre lake that has cost them a lot of time, money and effort to arrive at only to find the fish are out of range of casting and have no other tools at their disposal to reach the fish at say, 200 yards.
I am contemplating getting a drone for the following reasons, Channel crossing followed by 8 hour drive and instead of getting boat out and getting it all set up to go out and see if there are any available areas to fish that are not occupied and then possibly have to take it all apart again to move to another area, just send a drone up in a fraction of the time.
Just another tool in the modern Anglers armoury these days on large continental waters.
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Enjoy your fishing and dont worry what others do.
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In reply to Post #11 I guess it depends on which generation you are from
If a covid carper then anything is game.
Younger generations are used to having a toy stuck in their hands to play with
Whether that’s a phone or a play station controller.
you can then work your way back through the generations to what is acceptable or not.
I won’t use a bait boat in England (whilst I can still cast for them) but happy to use one on foreign fish because they don't count.. lol
If the internet had been around in let’s say dick walkers time
Would they be having the same conversations about rights and wrongs?
Absolutely agree, the fundamentals are find them and get the bait out to them.
Luckily,
It’s not my money that is being spent making these films, where to sell a little piece of plastic i need to spend at a guess 10 grand to promote it.
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In reply to Post #13 I’ve never used one, but from what I’ve seen they cannot be compared in ease of use to remote controlled electronic boats and drones. Any moron can use these things and become an expert caster and fish locator with zero effort.
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In reply to Post #13 That takes skill to use though imho
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In reply to Post #11 How about a baiting pole?
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I sort of understand why companies use them when spending £1000's on filming, but in my opinion it should be admitted at the start of any video/vlog type thing if a drone a drone has been used to find and/or spots.
Does a capture count when using one? To me it counts about as much as using a baitboat with GPS and a winch camera. Well actually just a baitboat regardless of the other stuff.
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In reply to Post #8 I believe the two most important things are locating the fish and putting a baited rig in the correct position. These both take practise and experience to achieve. Getting this correct is part of the enjoyment of the pastime.
Remote controlled gadgets make this part so easy that anybody can do it. That’s where my line is drawn.
In my opinion you cannot compare bite alarms, rod technology, sharpened hooks etc because you always need to do the two things above effectively regardless.
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The only time I have ever used one is to drop hormones onto my spot as there were too many people keeping an eye on my spod mix and bait boat contents. Other than this time I too think their use is unethical and borderline cheating.
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For me there’s a time and place.
If you’re across the channel with a week to spare and fishing canals, rivers, big lakes/reservoirs then a drone is acceptable to find fish or spots. You could spend a week walking to find fish or a day. I get it in these sort of situations.
In the UK I don’t see the point. Even on big big pits.
The only time I would condone their use is to find if carp even exist in an un fished lake that is pretty inaccessible. Or maybe having a Quick Look up and down a long river stretch to see if you can find anything instead of a 6 mile walk or something.
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In reply to Post #7
Fishing is whatever you want it to be and if that’s catch at all costs then so be it, knock yourself out.
Personally it doesn’t float my boat and I wouldn’t go and buy a drone for fishing.
Age old question
Where do you draw the line??
Bite alarms
Deepers
Carbon rods
Hand sharpened hooks
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In reply to Post #5 I’d be surprised if a tin hat was required, I can’t see why anybody would think that a drone was acceptable to find fish or spots on a UK water.
I also believe that this extends to bait boats, but it seems this view point is becoming more of a minority as people realise how much easier it is to cheat!
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In reply to Post #5 Exactly this, spot on post
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Tin Hat at the ready...
For me, Drones have no place in carp fishing. Like Vinnie points out, the edge these give when trying to find fish is in my opinion, cheating - plain and simple.
Filming videos pretty much gives all anglers carte blanche to use one "for arial shots", if you "happen" to find the fish or spots, then wow, a happy coincidence.
I would go so far as to say that any capture with the aid of a drone is completely without merit.
For gods sake, give the poor ****ers a rest, it is called fishing, not catching.
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In reply to Post #3 Yup but even that has its limits.
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In reply to Post #2 Climbed trees?
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In reply to Post #1 I can kinda get it
When you are spending thousands on a video shoot you need to get pay back
Unfortunately that isn’t real life and everyone blanks.
Makes you wonder how they did it before drones….
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Seen over last few years vids by Korda, ect where they use drones. It’s great viewing, but when they can find A. The fish and B. The clear spots it’s almost hard not to catch sometimes. I know it’s great viewing and we want to see fish not blanks but is it just me that thinks they wouldn’t catch anything near they do without them. Prime example was pecky on one of the reservoirs, from memory he blanked and then found them down one arm of the lake, so next time went there and caught.
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