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In reply to Post #35
Ok, thanks.
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In reply to Post #34
The ta is more abrasive than the red gardner version,i don't use a file as I end up taking too much off.i suppose you could just use the TA over a file but it would take longer
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In reply to Post #33
Can the rough side of the ta stone be used in lieu of a file of its that rough?
Interred to know how the two sides on the ta compare to the red/green point doctors
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In reply to Post #32
Just be gentle and you'll be fine 
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In reply to Post #30
I find the double sided TA one only good on the softer white side, as the grey side of the stone is far to Coarse for me
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In reply to Post #28
Vallorbe file for me too
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In reply to Post #29
The TA one is handy with having both of the abrasions in one stone over carrying two of the gardner ones.Its a little bit thicker too and is easier to hold,not used the pb one so can't help with that
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In reply to Post #25
How does Gardner stone compare to 2-soded TA one, or anyone tried the pb products one? Bit of a different concept the latter - stock it in and twist it (guess if it works, that's only on straight points)
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Had a few files over the years but a vallorbe one i bought a few years ago is the best ive used. The bigger files are a lot easier to hold and use as well.
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In reply to Post #26
The red Jag stone is the one thing I could never be without. I also find the SP slightly savage for what I need most of the time. I tend to only use that on much beefier hooks, where I am looking to remove a fair bit. That tends to be larger size beak points for bottom bait fishing. Or trebles for pike.
For straight pointed hooks and pop ups, chods, SHR etc... I always just use a red handle Jag stone.
If you want slightly less savage than the SP, the red Jag stone will be perfect for you Danny.
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I've always used the SP Max file with the Vice and it's done me well.
If I want I can get them super sharp with patience, but I often don't want this.
Not tried the the red stone but I'm going to try it, as I think the Max file can be too heavy handed at certain times when I rush and get impatient, and I lose the hook.
I saw a video where someone was recommending (red stone) it to mend the point on the inside? e.g. point bent inwards.
On the subject of hook sharpening, Gardner sell a Hook Stone for £30!
Double sided. (two files) Anyone used one?
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Best thing you can do to prolong the life of your files and stones, is to get a cheap RED point doctor from Gardner. Useless for removing metal/real sharpening... But absolutely mustard for rapidly removing all of the PTFE hook coatings, and not clogging up your file/stones. Better for buffing up than a green stone too.
Red Jag stone, SP Max file, red point doctor. That's it.
I've purchased two red stones and one SP file in like absolutely donkeys years, sharpened tonnes of hooks with them. Cheap for the longevity and the amount of extra carp they have caught me.
Don't throw your red Jag stone away when it gets a large groove in it either. Once they become grooved, they are so much better for beaked point hooks.
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In reply to Post #22
The green stone is very fine. Personally I just use the red stone after the file but nothing wrong with going file/red/green. When you say the coating comes off, the coating will come off the hooks yes. If you mean coating on stone, there isn’t a coating but you will see the stone blacken from very fine debris from the hook. This is totally normal. Good tip, you should be looking to do as little work with the stone as possible, ideally used for a final hone of the surfaces after doing 95% with the cut file. Trying to do too much with the stone will see the stones groove prematurely and/or clog the abrasive surface with steel. Another tip, you can prolong the life of the stones further by running them several times down the back (unused) side of a pair of scissors or similar. Support back of stone with your finger so as not to snap them. This basically redresses the stone face flat again. I’ll get through 2x files and probably 6x red stones a season but this is fishing 48hrs every week. Hope this helps.
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In reply to Post #22
It's not anything rubbing off, it's the pores clogging up. If you have the red one too just rub the two together to clear it
Hook coatings are a bitch for clogging abrasives which is why I don't like diamond stones/files for hooks
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In reply to Post #21
I've been using the jag green handle stone thingys but find the coating rubs off after a couple of strokes, is this normal?
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