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sorry to rant Gav 
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In reply to Post #662
cereal based? only a few and it leads back to the sustainability argument to be fair.
I mean for example, semolina, soya flour etc are in high demand as well as maize meal in third world countries via charities, Im sure to some seeing it go into baits ( never mind fishmeal) would be appalling.
But there is a glut of decent pellets in the UK now especially as two french companies have now invested, namely aller aqua and le goussant. although to be fair the guy who sells the la guossant also sells cereals lol. you can get it cheaper direct in france and ship it over.
as most would say, smaller levels of quality is key.
BUT when it comes to boilies that in of itself is still a problem for smaller producers, its all well and good upping prices but if you sell less and less it can start to be a problem.
To put it simply tonne sacks are cheaper, and to order sacks and keep product fresh you need to sell a lot of it, multiple tonnes a week, and so selling less buy keeping good quality gear can mean with some products buying in multiples of smaller sacks, which cuts down the margin anyway.
so its make 2 quid a kilo and sell ten kilos or make a quid and sell 20 sort of scenario. it totally depends on capacity / storage / labour costs etc as to which one is beneficial.
Ive just had an email from a courier that the fuel surcharge is going from 8 to 12.5% on carriage which basically adds 50 pences to the p and p charge on a 10kg box.
And much like Gav is finding, multiple price increases a day is a new reality. and Im not sure what his forecasts and projections are but after every few price hikes mine become invalid and its more work to figure out what you need to do to make a living, then some more go up and you repeat. plus there also the head ache of not getting long term price assurances from suppliers anymore due to how the world is, and even after THAT, there is also the issue of actually having product to buy. there will be shortages of a LOT more ingredients come summer, and its all wel land good stock piling but if you like fresh ingredients, you're pretty much f*cked.
Putin is clearly a tigernut man.
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In reply to Post #662
The rubbish pellets…….might be about to change 😉
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In reply to Post #635
Yep, we can only do so much regarding costs of trade or retails supply chain trends and products, but quality costs.
I can almost see some anglers going back to rolling fresh bait/base mix and 4 to 6 or 12 eggs, on the bank.
Like the good old days.
Make it as you need it, if you have a result and have it off, roll more. Minimal waste, and you know it is quality bait.
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In reply to Post #662
A lot of places I fish now including my syndicates are banning particle out right now though because of places like monster particle doing stupidly cheap deals for bad quality particle, people turning up pilling loads of it in and it’s ruining the water quality
I’d much rather spend the extra and get some decent boilie and pellet to use instead
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In reply to Post #660
I’m afraid that the majority will be looking for cheap bait at the moment. Of course they will. Most of the anglers that I know who use large quantities are not exactly awash with cash even at the best of times.
Most of the pellets available now are rubbish cereal/soya based crap, it’s no wonder many are using particle.
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In reply to Post #660
Absolutely and we know Mike and his products are worth every penny!
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I use Essential Baits B5 and that’s £9.85 a kilo buying 10 kilos at a time. So sensible anglers will realise after location bait is the thing that matters. Not the latest high end rods and reels.
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Thats where the transparency of cost thing comes into it. by actually listing tangible ingredients people can look up the cost and see its a valid price increase. its the unscrupulosu who put " high end milks" and are actually meanng high end budget stuff, or low quality versions of high end stuff.
Yeah pellets are the latest thing, everything is going up I know of three products that have been the same price the last 24 months lol
Keep the quality, if people don't want ot pay let them leave. have confidence your quality will bring them back.
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In reply to Post #635
All though I don’t use your bait don’t be put off over some idiots on social media, £8 a kilo is not a lot of money that is still pretty reasonable in my eyes. Real anglers won’t care problem you have now is so many new anglers just want cheap **** bait that is being knocked up in a shed somewhere for next to nothing and don’t care about the quality, the people who do won’t be going anywhere
As said already most of us sit behind a lot of moneys worth of gear what’s a extra couple pound on bait?
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In reply to Post #656
Premium products sell,
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In reply to Post #655
You make a premium product that works. Don't be afraid to charge a premium price. Most anglers are sitting behind a couple of grand's worth of kit these days, a tenner a kilo for bait won't put the anglers that value quality off at all.
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In reply to Post #653
I have been in quite a few factories over the last decade and the one thing you don’t see is high quality products! There are exceptions of course and they will be companies who ride out this storm.
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In reply to Post #652
Too true mate
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In reply to Post #652
I'm sure the costs have been kept down by reducing the quality for years. We have reached a point where reducing the quality is no longer viable. Bite the bullet and buy quality bait even if it's expensive. Better to use less of higher quality. Unless you're fishing a mud hole stuffed eith starving fish. Why would you even want to?
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