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Butt_Banger
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Butt_Banger
   Old Thread  #316 18 Dec 2012 at 10.33pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #315
Thanks Sam......tells me just what I needed to know
SamBarley
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   Old Thread  #315 18 Dec 2012 at 9.56pm  0  Login    Register
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OK what I meant was I would rather get my protein content from high BV ingredients apposed to things like soya flour and supergold 60.
Supergold 60/ prairie meal is supposed to have a high bv, and maybe it has for cattle etc, but for carp? I just don't agree with it.
I would rather balance aa profile with things such as higher levels of cpsp90, krill, wpc80, other refined milks, spirulina, high grade liver powder etc etc. No doubt someone will claim that refined milks are not digestible but it is my opinion that they are.
Just my opinion of coarse

You originally said- .....I'm asking for an example of the type of ingredients
But you then said you weren't asking for the ingredients
You also said- I'm not asking you to post up details of your mixes

I am confused but maybe that's the festive drinks! Hopefully I have told you all you needed to know
Butt_Banger
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Butt_Banger
   Old Thread  #314 18 Dec 2012 at 9.43pm  0  Login    Register
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Don't be so defensive Sam - Im sure nobody thinks you are knocking Peter's mix. I understand what biological value is thanks so can give google a miss on that.

I'm not asking what ingredients have a high biological value. You said in your earlier post that you would prefer a bait with lower crude protein levels but a higher biological value..... I'm simply asking you for an example of such a bait, as it's your stated preference.....can you give one?

SamBarley
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   Old Thread  #313 18 Dec 2012 at 9.13pm  0  Login    Register
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Should have known I was opening up myself for this!
I certainly did not critisise smurf or his mix, think I made that clear and praised him for posting it up.

Are you asking what ingredients have high biological value? Do a search!
Bream_Boy
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Bream_Boy
   Old Thread  #312 18 Dec 2012 at 9.06pm  0  Login    Register
To be fair on Sam, it is much easier to criticise others efforts than it is to open yourself up for the same criticism
Butt_Banger
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Butt_Banger
   Old Thread  #311 18 Dec 2012 at 7.30pm  0  Login    Register
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And if you read my post Sam I'm not asking you to post up details of your mixes.....I'm asking for an example of the type of ingredients/mix you describe.....doesn't have to be one of your secret mixes
SamBarley
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   Old Thread  #310 18 Dec 2012 at 4.40pm  0  Login    Register
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If you re read my post, you will see that I am not willing to post any of my mixes up.
Why should I? I have worked hard to get the mixes how I want them, why shouldn't others?
Smurf
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Smurf
   Old Thread  #309 18 Dec 2012 at 4.39pm  0  Login    Register
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You are not rubbing me up the wrong way at all Just felt your post deserved a response

Butt_Banger
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   Old Thread  #308 18 Dec 2012 at 4.32pm  0  Login    Register
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I would favour a lower protein bait that has high BV where non of the protein is wasted and amply meets the carps aa requirement. Such a mix would obviously cost more money

Give us an example Sam
SamBarley
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   Old Thread  #307 17 Dec 2012 at 5.08pm  0  Login    Register
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Hi Smurf
I have a terrible habit of rubbing people up the wrong way, so I shall tread very carefully with this one!

That is what I meant to say, this is a cheapER mix, I should have said (I was basically saying I am sure you can come up with better)

It is high protein and yes not all of it is available- not quite what I would go for in winter.

Imo in winter it is even more important to not drain the carps system and to get it bob on.
I would favour a lower protein bait that has high BV where non of the protein is wasted and amply meets the carps aa requirement. Such a mix would obviously cost more money

It is very good of you to put a mix up, so please don't think I am slating you.
Would I put a lower protein/ high bv mix up? NO! So I guess that is all I have to say!
Smurf
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   Old Thread  #306 17 Dec 2012 at 4.45pm  0  Login    Register
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Not been carping since the summer so I will answer this from my armchair

the protein content as it is very high in this mix, far too high imo especially considering the amino requirements are not quite met.

I don't quite get this statement....are you sure that says what you meant it to say?

As to 50% crude protein being high...If you take into account the limiting amino acids and if we assume that 80% of the crude protein is digestible (a figure I have used as an 'average', not based on hard facts for this mix) then we have a digestible content of circa 30-35% protein Thats a very good basis for an HNV bait to me

The BM1 is a basis for so many other things i.e. add some liver powder, yeast and shell fish extract for a 'natural' flavoured bait or bulk it out with bird food in the late spring for a high energy bait. You can do lots with this as a base....it doesn't cost much to mix up but that makes it good value not budget

sits back in to armchair again
SamBarley
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   Old Thread  #305 17 Dec 2012 at 3.11pm  0  Login    Register
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Another point well worth considering is the protein content as it is very high in this mix, far too high imo especially considering the amino requirements are not quite met.
I prefer lower protein in winter.
Just my opinion and I am not knocking smurf or his mix, he suggested it as a budget mix anyway I think?
carpmanrob
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carpmanrob
   Old Thread  #304 17 Dec 2012 at 2.04pm  0  Login    Register
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My thoughts on it would be, if you are winter fishing with say a hook bait and a two or three bait stringer, i.e. fishing for a bite, and if you are lucky catching A fish, it shouldn't be a problem, but if you are hoofing it in and they are hoovering it up, then I would say lower the oil content.
What are the chances of that though??

reverse psychology on that for me as far as im concerned-i do hoof it in during winter-and ive done pretty well as a result over the last few seasons, i just dont hoof it in whilst fishing-prefer to do it to a regime / frequency if you like around my fishing sessions, but equally you have to respect conditions beeing poorer than better -so you must fish when you feel theyres a chance-milder air temps,periods of lower pressure like the last few days for instance, afternoon sunshine, warmer wind direction-that sorta thing....i hoof it in to keep the fish in certain areas, and to keep them feeding-even if its very limited, those lipids get converted to energy-so i wouldnt take them out of the equation.
Chuffy
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Chuffy
   Old Thread  #303 17 Dec 2012 at 10.49am  0  Login    Register
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My thoughts on it would be, if you are winter fishing with say a hook bait and a two or three bait stringer, i.e. fishing for a bite, and if you are lucky catching A fish, it shouldn't be a problem, but if you are hoofing it in and they are hoovering it up, then I would say lower the oil content.
What are the chances of that though??
carpmanrob
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carpmanrob
   Old Thread  #302 17 Dec 2012 at 10.37am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #301
im going by smurfs recepie listed, but tweaks(if any) would be small-im not sure it would need an emulsifier, but i cannot see how it would hurt either sam, if to just keep the lipids from clotting.
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