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Otters and the real damage (268 posts / 124,364 views)
pjg69 pjg69
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Post #215 19 Dec 2015 18:11
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agree lots of denial in Suffolk but what happens to the club lakes that genuinely cant afford to fence and do not own the lakes?
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #216 20 Dec 2015 09:41
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they could look into doing what I had too.....raise the fees, join other clubs or syndicates when purchasing material to get better prices, insist that members carry out the work to reduce labour costs....it can be done, I appreciate its not easy.

FREDDYM FREDDYM
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Post #217 20 Dec 2015 20:23
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Went To Leeds Castle yesterday,there was a Xmas Fair on,there was a Stall for the Wildlife Britain (??) and Countryside Alliance,there amongst their pamphlets etc was a book on the Reintroduction of otters, also to suck the kids in was a couple of cuddly toy Otters.
I pointed out to my kids the damage otters do to Fish stocks and used an example of the castles waters being decimated if otters were present,got a few funny looks.
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #218 21 Dec 2015 08:51
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Leeds Castle in Kent mate?

people like CA and RSPB use images of otters as they know full well that the general public will either join when using cuddly images and 99% of public haven't got a clue what destruction these creatures cause
h34ds h34ds
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Post #219 21 Dec 2015 09:00
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I know every lake will have its own circumstances / how its run etc.

My option was simple. Asked if the members would pay up front for the following years costs so they basically paid double. It raised enough money to buy the majority of the material and although the following year was tough financially and no investment was pumped into the lake - it has protected the lake for the future.
The only other option was drain it, net it, and sell the stock and walk away. NOT an option in my eyes or the members eyes.

FREDDYM FREDDYM
Posts: 1,643
Post #220 22 Dec 2015 22:20
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Yeah,Leeds Castle Kent,they have a christmas fair every year,normally theres RSPB/RSPCA type stalls amongst the usual local food and drink stall's,My daughter was drawn by the toy otter straight away...
pjg69 pjg69
Posts: 162
Post #221 28 Dec 2015 14:38
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all good in principal but the lakes round my way struggle to pay the rent for lakes let alone pay for materials
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #222 29 Dec 2015 11:09
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I know and appreciate its not an easy one, but and its a big but, if clubs and members of said clubs want to protect, then its hands in pockets in affraid
Uncle_Arndy Uncle_Arndy
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Post #223 6 Jan 2016 14:19
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Did you see a year on Loch Lomond last week? They showed a pair of Otters hunting Beaver kits in the river! Apparently they are quite sought after by Otters!!! So they just eat small fish then...................God help us, our country is in the hands of total halfwits!!
debege debege
Posts: 1,190
Post #224 4 Mar 2016 21:10
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My wife and I had a week in the Maldives a few weeks back (been there lots) and among the guests were a couple of rather nice ladies traveling together, one a solicitor, the other an IT specialists. Now, each island invariably runs a weekly night fishing trip for any interested guests, and my wife and I went this time, as usual. The following day the trip came up while we were having a drink with these ladies, and they oohed and aaahed and tutted alarmingly....turns out they were rabid animal protection types, and it was wrong to fish, end of.

So, as you would, I asked them what they thought of otters, which was answered much as I expected (lovely, cuddly, sweet...all the usual stuff) . I replied with information about the damage they were doing to fish, fisheries, peoples livelihood etc., but they were having none of it. In the end we had to agree to disagree, or move to another Island

My point is, our main enemy in all of this (otters apart) is extremism....on both sides of this issue. We have seen on this thread, on the bank and elsewhere the absolute nutters screaming "Kill them all", "Shoot 'em on sight", "poison them", "beat them to death with clubs" etc, etc. If any otter lovers wanted to bury our cause, then encouraging our nutters to shout stuff like that around would do the job for them just fine!

On the other side, we have the rabid "Don't you dare tread on that ant" tree huggers, most of whom would cheerfully harm a person in support of their cause, but freak out if you accidentally DID tread on that ant. And of course, you have less then zero chance of getting through to them that there are two sides to this, they point blank refuse to even listen.

The problem we have is that even the best of our lot are tainted by the words and actions of our nutters, and judged as being one and the same thing. Their nutters however....are perceived as heroes.

That is an extremely difficult difference to come to terms with, let alone overcome .I feel your pain Joss.

Cheers, Dave.
WATERWOLF WATERWOLF
Posts: 13,016
Post #225 21 May 2016 14:31
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one of the members on my syndicate lake has just posted this on facebook and wants to know if its a possible otter attack



a closer look



personally I think not
midlandman midlandman
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Post #226 21 May 2016 21:07
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It might be, but I suspect not. I'd be interested to see the fins. If they are not damaged and no other signs of marks then I would say probably not an otter.
WATERWOLF WATERWOLF
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Post #227 21 May 2016 21:31
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there was no other visual damage on the fish according to the report
midlandman midlandman
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Post #228 21 May 2016 22:16
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Probably a spawning injury. The would will heal quicker than you might think and will simply be a 'bald patch' before too long.
capt_swearword
Posts: 1,018
Post #229 21 May 2016 22:26
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A wound like that would be a couple of weeks old, I would be surprised if its spawning damage. If it was a fish of a couple of pounds I would say it was heron damage. Its probably a bad infection, if its a healthy fish it should heal ok
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