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   Old Thread  #113 16 May 2022 at 10.57pm  1Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"The designer of the original grange is on one of my waters, so I might still be able to punish him :-)"
Who do I have to sleep with to get that recipe?? Loved the grange...
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   Old Thread  #112 16 May 2022 at 3.26pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My guess is that within a few years the cost of decent milk proteins and fishmeals will be so much that they wont be viable in bait anymore because the masses simply wont pay £15 a kilo even when buying ten kilos, so rather than being a bit of a novelty, baits made up with insect meals and addition proteins from yeasts/veg hydros etc will probably become the norm. We might look back on these fishmeal days with rose tinted specs, I saw last night that due to Mr Putin that up to 3rd of fish n chip shops may have to close due to a shortage of white fish and availability pushing up costs.

The late Bob Baker was a member of one of the clubs that I fish but unfortunately I never met him so I wasnt able to punish him for the recipe :-) One of the bait brains behind the original T1 was also a member but I believe he doesnt fish anymore. So another classic recipe lost.
The designer of the original grange is on one of my waters, so I might still be able to punish him :-)

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   Old Thread  #111 16 May 2022 at 3.21pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry that you thread turn into a co#k waving competition Dave.
I hope you managed to get some information out of it.
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   Old Thread  #110 16 May 2022 at 2.52pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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To misquote that great songwriters, McFly, "it's not all about you......."

And regarding Marks Inbox, to misquote the magnificent manly man, Oscar Wilde, "irony is wasted on the bloke who rolls little balls of stuff for fish to eat."

I know you don't use facebook, but a reply to a reply in a thread, saying "unlike that Spectrum bloke who slags everyone else off......." in a post that was probably seen by a couple of hundred people tops (providing they read every reply) and the vast majority have no idea who I'm on about is hardly "all over facebook". Especially when I replied to Geoff, who you, erm might occasionally "slag off".

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   Old Thread  #109 16 May 2022 at 2.42pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Where I was coming from is when we're all starting to look for a sustainable/ethical protein source, Pruteen would actually be a decent product. And compared to the Soya/Semo readymades back then, yes it was a much better bait.
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   Old Thread  #108 16 May 2022 at 7.55am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So you could achieve basically the same results by adding in a cheap white fishmeal.

So here’s the modern tutti then
Soya
Semo
Maize
Bit of white fish meal
Icing Sugar

????
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   Old Thread  #107 16 May 2022 at 7.46am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Pruteen, a bacterial protein (Imperial Chemical Industries, Ltd., Billingham, Cleveland, Great Britain), contained 740 g crude protein (nitrogen × 6.25)/kg, of which 147 g/kg was nucleic acid, and its amino acid composition was similar to that of white fish meal.

The value of Pruteen as a protein supplement to diets based on barley and fine wheat offal was compared with that of white fish meal in a metabolic trial covering the live weight range from 20 to 60 kg. The two supplements were compared at a “standard” level, commonly used in practice, and a “marginal” level, discounting the nucleic acid of Pruteen.

There was no significant difference in growth rate, feed: gain ratio, N retention, or apparent digestibility of N, energy or most of the amino acids between the diets supplemented with Pruteen and those supplemented with fish meal.
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   Old Thread  #106 16 May 2022 at 7.12am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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From my limited knowledge Pruteen was just an artificial powdered pig feed wasn’t it? I’d have thought you could get a similar protein content from brewers yeast? I wasn’t anything that special was it?
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   Old Thread  #105 15 May 2022 at 9.54pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's not and a quick message to karl the owner he can check that

No one, when you tried slagging me off on the a bait group agreed with you.

I'll not get into more arguments with you. you've tried to slander me all over facebook without the experience of using my baits thats the difference.

have a nice weekend
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   Old Thread  #104 15 May 2022 at 9.10pm  2Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The original Tutti wasn’t actually a poor bait. Imagine what we could do if Pruteen was still available…….

C’mon Mark, you’re flogging a dead horse here. Even when Paul came on here telling Nick he was talking ******** about Hydra K he glossed over it. Never one to let facts get in the way of a good slag off. I bet his email inbox is buzzing with people telling him you don’t know what you’re talking about……
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   Old Thread  #103 15 May 2022 at 7.24am  1Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
just to play devils advocate here, if those consultants were testing Krill at the time, isnt it possible that they werent using a finished version and thats why it failed to catch anything? Is it also possible that what people now buy in the shops is not the version they were fishing with, that it went on to be improved before release?

Whilst its not going to make me popular on here, Ive just read this whole thread in one go as Id missed it, and to be fair to Nick as far as i can see hes not slagged off the fish catching ability of ABS bait, what hes said is that the recipe hes seen for McNut wasnt of the highest quality. We all know that some very basic baits have taken waters apart over the years, the original Richworth Tutti is another example of such a bait. So fundamentally what hes saying isnt untrue or insulting. I cant see anywhere where hes insulted Geoffs knowledge or ethics etc.

For the record Ive used ABS, loads goes into one of my tickets as Geoff is a member on there and so was Digger who worked for him. Its caught obscene amounts of fish from those waters. Ive also used a lot of Sticky as Im fortunate enough if I wanted it to be able to get it at a heavily discounted rate. Ive also used a seasons worth of DNA. So heres my opinion for what its worth.

ABS id use without any hesitation as whatever its made with it catches fish.
Sticky - Id only use the original Krill. My results on Manilla compared to it werent as good and I know several people who reckon their results have been worse since switching to the active krill and are going back to the original.
DNA - I used SLK/S7 & Nutta. I thought the S7 was the better of the three and if I had to thats what Id use. I also use a lot of BAF in my own bait so I have faith in the ingredients they use.

Having said all that if I didnt make my own bait then in all honesty id probably use the Trent Shrimp.

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   Old Thread  #102 15 May 2022 at 4.59am  2Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Dude just stop.
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   Old Thread  #101 14 May 2022 at 11.03pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Stop putting words in my mouth I didn’t say that at all.

I said tge recipe came from the factory, out of pure curiosity my mate ordered some, either 5 or 10 or whatever, and I rolled the other recipe, they were identical.

I know a lot about bait and what ingredients do what in feed bait, these were so close.

I’ve tried speaking to you directly but you ignored my Facebook message earlier, we usually chat on that.

As for the roach angler, you want me to name them when you’re publically saying they blanked or used your bait? Be real.

As I said let’s not argue,
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   Old Thread  #100 14 May 2022 at 10.52pm  4Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You glossed over it Nick. In 2013 the only people using the Krill were consultants because it had not even been released. I can name every single one. So who’s your friends?

What I wrote were cast iron FACTS. In 2013 not a single carp was caught from Roach Pit on Krill whether you like it or not. So you’re actually going to argue with me about a lake I absolutely smashed up, and you have never fished and know nothing about? Your knowledge knows no bounds. The Krill had not even been released, yet Sticky wanted me to formulate the bait that later went on to be Manilla… Because of what happened on RP in 2013. I turned them down.

So you’re telling me Geoff gave you the recipe for MC nut, because your mate purchased 5kg for you 🤦🏼‍♂️

Give it up Nick. Step away from the internet for a while… The more you type the worse it gets.

It’s cringeworthy now.
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   Old Thread  #99 14 May 2022 at 10.30pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I didn't ignore it I replied to it, look at the post numbers.

We can agree to disagree mate, I know people who fished roach pit in 2013 through to 2015 who caught his fish on the krill 100%, theres never just 2 baits because used on a lake and a distinct pattern like that would send sticky bait to the drawing board. the krill has made them literally millions. sticky make more in a week that most firms make in a year, tens in millions in sales each year. also the sole importers of some of the most important ingredients used in modern baits, there is just no comparison on fish caught now. as I said a way back in the post Im not even debating whether or not ABS catches fish I have outright said it does, but that doesn't make it a premium product thats good for the fish.

Geoff may well have been making bait before I was born but thats totally irrelevant, the amount of time working a job isnt indicative of skill, someone whos made bait for 40 years isnt twice as good as someone whos done it 20 years, there could be a chap who really applies themselves and in a short time has the best bait brain out there. learning is not limited or tied in exclusively to time.

The recipe was direct from his factory it is NOT conjecture. if it catches fish, as I say, fair enough.

doesn't embarass me at all mate, I know what I know.

And on a last note, and we get on so take this with a pinch, one of the people I know definitely knows more than anyone else about re bagging lol.


Plenty of people who know what they're doing get their bait rebagged, whilst I dont agree with it in terms of provenance a very sucessful bait on here and another is a company that one of your successful anglers uses.

Im not trying to argue but we have very different opniions on some things, probably we both agree to leave that topic there and chat jovially about other things lol
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