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   Old Thread  #45 13 May 2022 at 5.05pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Varies on the potency of the powder and where it comes from, anything from 1 to 5g is usually sufficient, you can add more if you wish but it starts to take over the smell of the bait if you’re going to add other ingredients
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   Old Thread  #44 13 May 2022 at 2.49pm  1Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I use 6 or 7 grams per kilo
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   Old Thread  #43 10 May 2022 at 11.41am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
How much of this would you put into a 1kilo mix in summer and winter ?
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   Old Thread  #42 30 Apr 2022 at 2.27pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We had thousands of pigs in those days and were into everything pig , must say never heard of Pig Nectar ,there was TUCKS Instant wean which was first I came across.
I suspect it was probably Palasweet trade name for Talin which was marketed by Tate and Lyle to put in the water of newly weaned piglets to encourage liquid intake.
It was brown in colour and similar to water in consistency so who ever sold it could have mixed it with glycerine to make it into a thicker. it cost £20 per litre.
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   Old Thread  #41 28 Apr 2022 at 12.00pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep, you are correct...Pig Nectar, not Weaner.
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   Old Thread  #40 27 Apr 2022 at 4.59pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ken I believe this was the same stuff Chris Haswell sold through his bait company as Mental Juice. I believe Pig Nectar was the trade name or something.
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   Old Thread  #39 27 Apr 2022 at 11.14am  2Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Would a pig eat a bag of Richworth Tuttis though? I suspect the answer is yes and ICI missed a trick!
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   Old Thread  #38 27 Apr 2022 at 9.43am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Strange that the pigs wouldn’t eat it

Apparently pigs are VERY fussy eaters, despite what we think.

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   Old Thread  #37 27 Apr 2022 at 6.39am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It wasn't the same culture.

ICI made Pruteen first then stopped making it as wasn't giving viable margins, they used the technology to work with Rank Hovis to develop Quorn.

Im think it was Rank Hovis who sold out first to ICI in the 90's but may be incorrect.
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   Old Thread  #36 26 Apr 2022 at 7.37pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Must have found a way to improve or mask the taste.
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   Old Thread  #35 26 Apr 2022 at 7.19pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Strange that the pigs wouldn’t eat it, yet ICI sold the technology to Rank Hovis who went on to produce Quorn using the same technique…
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   Old Thread  #34 26 Apr 2022 at 7.01pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As far as I know pruteen was developed for pig feed, however the pigs wouldn't eat it despite it's good nutritional profile because they didn't like the taste. It was in the ritchworth tutti frutti and probably other baits at the time. They were not "crap" baits the bad taste of the pruteen was masked by castor sugar and the added flavour. Both of which were found to be favourable to carp.
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   Old Thread  #33 26 Apr 2022 at 6.41pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Was Milky B available when Pruteen did the rounds ?

Yes it was (see below). And who used a lot of Pruteen back in the day...?
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   Old Thread  #32 26 Apr 2022 at 6.30pm  1Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
In the 80s & 90s there was a liquid doing the rounds among the cognoscenti known as Pig (or piglet) Weaner. It was a golden coloured, quite thick liquid with a very distinct buttery, vanilla-ry smell that could be used at quite high levels. I believe in the mid 90s Richworth marketed it as Bird Feed Enhancer and Nutrabaits as Cream Cajouser. At the same time a very fine white powder, said to be a non-liquid version, was finding favour. This certainly smelled very similar. I believe it was the original Cotswold Baits Milk B, and it is no coindicence that a certain well respected scientist/carp angler was connected to Cotswold Baits and had contacts at Pancosma, an agricultural food producer, apparently the source of the products.
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   Old Thread  #31 26 Apr 2022 at 11.11am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Classic.
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   Old Thread  #30 26 Apr 2022 at 6.06am  2Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3qy4Zv4snI

"Never trust a man with a pig farm"
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   Old Thread  #29 25 Apr 2022 at 8.40pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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DT Baits Milk B+

Must admit, i´m now addicted to it Everytime i enter the bait kitchen, i have to take a sniff of milky B, before i do anything else
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   Old Thread  #28 25 Apr 2022 at 4.16pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Hi there
any ideas on the best place to get some of this Milky B +.
Thanks
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   Old Thread  #27 1 Apr 2022 at 6.39pm  1Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I had to laugh when I saw some advice for feeding Labrador puppies. Never feed your pup more than it can eat in 5 minutes. A lab will eat until it throws up, and then eat the puke. If you are daft enough to let it. Yes I learnt that the hard way.
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   Old Thread  #26 1 Apr 2022 at 10.02am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I saw 3 well behaved labs with Lucy’s bowl at the weekend, lovely things so well trained yet so young.

Literally people were making so much noise bang crash wallop and hardly noticed by em, yet I know a few labs where from the moment they wake up they’re friggen liabilities to the moment they go to bed lol

It shows the difference an owner can make to a dog, I don’t believe in bad dogs just bad owners now, and that we shouldn’t judge by breed,
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   Old Thread  #25 1 Apr 2022 at 8.29am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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association with danger
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   Old Thread  #24 1 Apr 2022 at 8.27am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's great. I am like that with hard liquor. Collapse/repeat.

I am sure there is something to learn in fishing from this. Carp may be a lot dumber than pigs but learning pattern I assume is similar.
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   Old Thread  #23 1 Apr 2022 at 8.18am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ive got two labs
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   Old Thread  #22 1 Apr 2022 at 8.09am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Those of you impressed by the relentless feeding abilities of a pig, have clearly never shared your life with a Labrador.

I’m convinced that every part of the Labrador has evolved purely to help it eat more effectively. I’m sure they only developed legs to carry the stomach around.
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   Old Thread  #21 31 Mar 2022 at 9.29pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ive said alot worst mate

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   Old Thread  #20 31 Mar 2022 at 8.11pm  2Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Always wondered why my bacon butty tasted alittle milky B
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   Old Thread  #19 31 Mar 2022 at 8.10pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Is that what you say to the ladies 🤣🤣🤣
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   Old Thread  #18 31 Mar 2022 at 8.01pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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small quantities, high value nutrition
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   Old Thread  #17 31 Mar 2022 at 7.40pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It´s supposed to help the weanling pigs with their dietary transition from sow´s milk to solid foods, apparently increasing palatibilty.

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   Old Thread  #16 31 Mar 2022 at 7.31pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I reckon mozzi is correct about the weaning. I'm sure I read something about cream stimulants being added to pellet feed to make it more palatable thus massively increasing weight gai in piglets.
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   Old Thread  #15 31 Mar 2022 at 7.16pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i have seen weak piglets that struggle to feed, therefore yield is low, therefore milks provide "bulking" up nutrition

same with calves that struggle to gain weight, fed on the same stuff.
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   Old Thread  #14 31 Mar 2022 at 7.06pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don’t doubt you haven’t seen a fussy pig, but neither do I doubt in a five minute google search you could find a petite stimulants for them. They exist, needed or not thst fact is binary and some of them carp quite like lol
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   Old Thread  #13 31 Mar 2022 at 7.00pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It smelt like horlics and cinnamon to me.
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   Old Thread  #12 31 Mar 2022 at 6.54pm  3Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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in all my years in the industry, ive never seen a fussy eating pig

i studied animal science at Bristol uni (Honours degree) and we did tests on the affects on CO2 and pigs behaviour

Perspex box, full of apples with a "cat flap" door in it so the pig could push in and feed

first few days, no Co2 - pig eat all it liked

3 and 4th day - we added 50% Co2 and 50% O2 - pig would gorge itself until it nearly collapsed, took its head out of said box, it then learnt to take deep breaths and recover, then feed

5th and 6th day - 85% anoxic mixture (Co2)+ 15% O2. pig fed, collapsed whilst feeding, dropped onto the floor and recovered soon after, shook its head and went in for round two, Collapsed and repeated

by the 7th day the same pig learnt how to hold its breath, take an apple, get its head out of the box, eat and then repeated

proper impressed with that and how it learnt

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   Old Thread  #11 31 Mar 2022 at 6.54pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't forget that the only goal of pig farming is to sell the 'bacon' as fast as possible and as large as possible.
That's also the reason why numerous researcher are trying to find cure to the intenstial worms that slow the growth of pigs.

(This is what I get straight from the source as I've got 2 friends with a PhD covering that topic)
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   Old Thread  #10 31 Mar 2022 at 6.52pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If my memory serves me right it was the original cotswold baits that first started selling it. No idea what's in it, but like others have said it is produced for the pig farming industry.
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   Old Thread  #9 31 Mar 2022 at 6.46pm  1Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Could have been used by you know who…
In the you know what thread ….
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   Old Thread  #8 31 Mar 2022 at 6.42pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I’m sure some pigs are fussier than others, there’s a few options in the canteen at selhurst park….
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Damn pigs don´t need stimulating at all, so that´s a BIG myth. Greedy hogs can do away with a cadaver in no time at all.
The "mothers milk" sustenance theory is a plausible one. Might be the Holy Grail of bait ingredients, lactating milk straight from her breasts. Several natural lactones, ethyl vanillin and gamma-Nonanolactone.

Was Milky B available when Pruteen did the rounds ?


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   Old Thread  #6 31 Mar 2022 at 5.57pm  1Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Perhaps not, but I can count three brochures infront of me selling it as such lol.

Maybe it’s to ween them off the mother’s milk? Can’t say I ever kept pigs but I can say, with conviction, then I know what I pay for 🤣
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Some say it is mainly added because a farmer is more stimulated to buy a feed that smells sweet and vanilla-ish than a more bland one
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   Old Thread  #4 31 Mar 2022 at 5.38pm  2Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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iv'e never seen a pig that needs stimulating to eat
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I am pretty sure it is originally a palatant for feed, cattle and/or pigs.
Also pretty sure it is vanillin and some lactones in the mix.
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There’s actually lots of them, appetite stimulators for pigs
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Who actually came up with the very first version of Milk B+ back in the 70s/80s, and what was it primarily used as, in a bait, other than powdered flavour or palatant enhancer/feeding stimulant ? Anyone know the actual composition used way back then? Lactose + vanillin + ???
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